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They discuss real estate (Plaxall Inc. is now primarily property management, though they still do plastics),  and the changes in Long Island City/Hunters Point over time from a very industrial neighborhood to the live-work area with many tall residential buildings it has become today. They talk about how city rezoning in 2001 spurred the change, and how the waterfront has gone from an unsafe and dangerous area to manicured family friendly parks.  The Kirby’s also talk about community landmarks such as St. Mary's church on Vernon Boulevard, and members of the old community.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003ePlaxall Inc. also founded Culture Lab LIC, an arts non-profit that runs the Plaxall Gallery, and is host to LIC Artists, among other ventures. Plaxall and the Kirby family are involved in many community charities and neighborhood groups to help LIC and the surrounding communities.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eAlso of note: Ann Pfohl Kirby became involved in the family business after being in the first class of women at Harvard Law School in 1953.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCC BY-NC-SA Contact digitalarchives@queenslibrary.org for research and reproduction requests.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["http://digitalarchives.queenslibrary.org/search/browse/40578"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2021-03-05 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Paula Kirby (Interviewee)","Ann Pfohl Kirby (Interviewee)","Jo-Ann Wong (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source"]},"value":{"en":["Interview recorded as part of the Changing Landscape of Hunters Point project at Hunters Point Library."]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["1930s-2021 (temporal)","Hunters Point, Astoria, Forest Hills and Jackson Heights, Queens, NY and Manhattan, NY (spatial)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eSummary of Full Interview\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eInterview with Queens native Ann Pfohl Kirby who at the time of this interview is 91, and her daughter Paula Kirby who is 54 - Ann Pfohl Kirby\u0026rsquo;s father, Louis Pfohl, came from Chicago when he got a job with Otis Elevator; he eventually started his own business Plaxall Inc., a family-owned plastics packaging company that has been operating out of a factory in an industrial stretch of Long Island City, Queens, for 70 years.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eAnn and Paula discuss the different locations the family has lived and worked in, from Jackson Heights to Flushing, Forest Hills, and most importantly Long Island City home of Plaxall Inc. They discuss real estate (Plaxall Inc. is now primarily property management, though they still do plastics), \u0026nbsp;and the changes in Long Island City/Hunters Point over time from a very industrial neighborhood to the live-work area with many tall residential buildings it has become today. They talk about how city rezoning in 2001 spurred the change, and how the waterfront has gone from an unsafe and dangerous area to manicured family friendly parks. \u0026nbsp;The Kirby\u0026rsquo;s also talk about community landmarks such as St. Mary's church on Vernon Boulevard, and members of the old community.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003ePlaxall Inc. also founded Culture Lab LIC, an arts non-profit that runs the Plaxall Gallery, and is host to LIC Artists, among other ventures. 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And so before I begin, I do want to just make sure for both of you that, do you agree to the terms and conditions outlined in the Queens Memory informed consent and copyright permission form that is shared with you over email?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=20.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=20.0,21.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: Perfect. So, before we begin today, so I will be the interviewer. My name is Jo-Ann Wong. We are recording on March 5th of 2021 for the Queens Memory Project, specifically for the Hunter's Point Ambassadors program. And so for both of you, if you could say your full name and spell it for me, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=21.0,44.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Okay. Paula Kirby, that's P A U L A - K I R B Y.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=44.0,52.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: Awesome. And Ann?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=52.0,53.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Okay. It's Ann - A N N, Pfohl - P F O H L and then Kirby, K I R B Y.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=53.0,63.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: Awesome. And your ages?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=63.0,67.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: You're 91.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=67.0,69.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: 91 and-- about to be 92.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=69.0,73.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Yeah, in a month.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=73.0,73.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: April 4th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=73.0,74.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: And I am 54.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=74.0,77.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: Awesome. And happy early birthday Ann, that's awesome. So we're just gonna jump straight into questions and feel free to answer and let's get started. So, our first question is - for both of you, what is your personal connection to Hunter's Point and how did your family settle in Queens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=77.0,100.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: How did it settle?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=100.0,100.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: How did your family settle in Queens? Let's start with mom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=100.0,103.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Well, my father came from Chicago because he had a job with Otis Elevator and he always wanted to find a place that was very convenient. So he looked on the subway line and at first we went to Jackson Heights and lived in an apartment. And then when we were going to have an addition to the family, my mother was pregnant, we moved to Forest Hills, again on the subway line so that he could get into his office very easily.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=103.0,141.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: Awesome. And so for their business is located in Hunter's Point, is there a particular reason why they chose that location?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=141.0,153.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Well it was close to the city and at the time that he chose it, before that we were over near Flushing, but they were building a housing project, so they condemned the land. So he took everything he could from the prior building and moved it down to Long Island City, which was not really heavily built up at that point and very close to the city and so on. So it was very convenient.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=153.0,184.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: He always saw the value in the subway system. So Forest Hills could get on the subway to Long Island City and Long Island City was one stop from Grand Central, and so very convenient to get to any clients that he may have had in Manhattan. By this time, he had moved on from Otis Elevator. He was a real entrepreneur and he started his own business. So in 1938, he went off on his own and really focused on industrial design initially. And then, that transformed into - when he was working on one project, he needed to make some clear domes for a display unit. And he, I guess the story is he was desperately trying to figure out how to do it and then thought, okay, I'll use plastic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=184.0,231.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: And he created a wooden base and a wooden cap and heated a thick sheet of plexiglass in the gas fire, put it on and actually had workman jump on top and it worked. And that was his inspiration for thermoforming. And thermoforming is the process of taking a sheet of plastic, heating it and pressure-molding it. And that's really what Plaxall, that business was focused on. And as the plastics did very well, he then invested in property in Long Island City because he loved it so much and could see the potential for Long Island City way before - most people -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=231.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Most people did. There you are just across the river from the biggest city in the world, so very convenient subway lines, etcetera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=270.0,278.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Yeah. And beautiful views. That's another thing. We always - even when we were little, Long Island city was very industrial. It really frankly, dangerous walking around and so on because it was just very empty during the evenings and so on. But then you would still look out at this beautiful Manhattan skyline and we always had the view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=278.0,301.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: And so you made an interesting point about how Long Island City was a very industrial neighborhood and kind of when your family started building the business there, what was the general - what are some general memories you have of how Hunter's Point and Long Island City area looked like at that time, especially compared to now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=301.0,326.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Well, it was very different. I mean, one place where we have probably our tallest building was a place where they had had a, what was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=326.0,337.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: It was a five story factory that grandpa purchased and he said, Oh, we're going to turn it into an office. We're going to add five stories and turn it into an office building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=337.0,350.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: So, and it had such a heavy foundation and stuff that he didn't think of knocking it all down. He just thought of dressing it up and adding to it. And people thought he was crazy because they didn't know why you would want an office building in Long Island City. Any of the businesses that were there were making things or fixing cars -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=350.0,374.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Or warehousing -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=374.0,375.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Warehousing. Nothing that presented a picture of people being in an office that's a tall building. And yet it turned out that the first bite we had on it was from New York state and New York state recognized that the location was fantastic and that they had room for a big parking lot to park all of the cars. And these were people that went out and had to check things in different boroughs and so on and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=375.0,408.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Yup, 1982 I think was when the building was purchased and grandpa passed away when the building had just been completed, I think. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=408.0,424.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: I was going to say he's so forward-thinking now, especially with the parking. Parking in that area can be very difficult, as they to say. And so yeah, that's, that's really, really interesting, especially kind of with how the Hunter's Point Long Island City area is now. And you were talking about how, when he first started moving his business there, people were like, why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? Were there certain perceptions about the area when he was moving his business and office building there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=424.0,461.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: I don't think really, because he wasn't thinking in terms of office buildings, right at that point, I mean, he was building a manufacturing building that he was going to use to manufacture various plastic things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=461.0,478.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: But, in some ways it made a lot of sense to move there from Flushing because when you have so many other manufacturers nearby, you can collaborate, you can get materials from them, so on and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=478.0,490.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: They weren't there then though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=490.0,490.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: No, there were some. There were some industrial. So, I think it worked out well in that sense. I think the biggest change to Long Island City took place with the development of Queens West. And that started in - when did that - cause I wasn't living in the U.S. at that point, I was living in Europe for a number of years. So I don't really know when the rezoning of Queens West took place, but it's those buildings on the park and where, of course, the library branch is, that really transformed the neighborhood into the live-work type of neighborhood that it is today, whereas before it had been very, very industrial. When I was little and I would go see mom in the office or grandpa, you could never imagine someone pushing a baby stroller down the street or walking their dog or jogging, like it just wasn't done. 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So yeah, I can remember coming back from Europe after 20 years and walking around the neighborhood going, Wow. This is some transformation that has taken place. And I think it's very much for the good because it wasn't as if people were pushed out of the neighborhood in order to make room for these - This was totally new developments. This waterfront property that was fixed up to make such a beautiful park and it's a good thing for the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=563.0,602.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: The one that New York State is in, what he made that, it was such a heavy building, so implanted, that to tear it down would have been terribly expensive. 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And of course the first bite we got was New York State and New York State was very interested because they had to go check things in all five boroughs. 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No, it was a trash heap. It was dangerous. You were not walking near the water's edge. It was totally undeveloped and had been very, again, very industrial area. So, it wasn't as if anybody would really walk along the river's edge at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=889.0,914.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: In fact, it went in and out, cause you had canals that didn't have anything to go across them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=914.0,919.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Yeah. You were somewhat limited. I mean, we're on either side of Anable Basin, but you just didn't have access to get to the waterfront that way. And yeah, that was probably one of the biggest changes was to open up that beautiful park. And you have all the space to play and like you said, the landing is out there. The library is there, the ferry stop, like the ferry has been a huge boon for Long Island City, because you can get to Cornell Tech and Roosevelt Island in about five minutes to the North. 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You go way down to Wall Street and places like that and get off. It's changed the whole city, making it more accessible from different portions of different places -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=979.0,992.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: And opening it up to Astoria too on the North, which there is a real transportation desert in a way, so to provide access for the people of Astoria to get down to - yeah, they can get to 34th Street in about, I think, 10 minutes, maybe 15. And now they have a ferry stop that's open, I believe around 91st street. 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So if it's a nice day, you'll always notice that an uptick of people coming in from the ferry stops. And so it just baffles me that there was no park cause in my mind, I think Hunter's Point, I was like, 'Oh, it's a park.' And so, when did they start developing the park in the neighborhood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1036.0,1060.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: That's the one - I don't remember the exact date. In fact, I can probably look it up right here. When was Queens West developed? It was probably the early 2000s. 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So I think it was probably like 2008 - 2010 that they were discussing it and then we lost the - Oh, Oh wait. Nope. Wrong. 1992. So it was established in 1992, the Queens West development site. And that's by the state too. So the state has very different rules on development than the city does, hence why they were able to put up tall residential buildings relatively quickly because it was a different process than the ULURP process that takes place in the rest of New York City. So yeah, it looks like it was started in 1992. 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Every day going and walking up and talking, chatting. It is a very small community. I don't know if that's the way people who live in Queens West feel it is. I don't know if they get that sensation. A lot of them actually don't walk to the subway. They have little shuttles that they take, so maybe they don't get to live that little bit of high street life. That's how I would refer to it. You know, in London you have the high street of the town and that's what Vernon Boulevard is. 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I don't know if there were many public schools there and again, those are -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1562.0,1565.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Wasn't there one over on the wider street there -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1565.0,1568.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: There might've been. You mean 44th? There's a high school and it's still there, like the technical high school, the aerospace or something, but I think there were more schools in Astoria because that was more of a residential neighborhood than actually Long Island City. Now, there are more and more schools. I mean, with new development, the rezoning process looks at that. How many residents are you bringing in and how many school children does that anticipate. 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And that can make me nervous as I watch a 40 or 50 foot trailer backing into our building while people are like walking around with their kids and their dogs. So that is, is not the kind of industrial, I think that has a great future being so close to residential.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1607.0,1664.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: I think what we see with a lot of our tenants is that they do more custom work or they do prototyping. They use robots to manufacture these things and everything. It's a much cleaner type of manufacturing and it doesn't involve the gigantic trucks that we have, so it's definitely a different mix of creative and manufacturing type.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1664.0,1690.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: I think it's pushed a lot of them further out of town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1690.0,1693.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Further out. 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What's the next town up there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1698.0,1702.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Well, yeah, but in Brooklyn?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1702.0,1703.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: No, it's going the other way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1703.0,1705.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Astoria. Some of them, some of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1705.0,1708.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Astoria is getting gentrified now, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1708.0,1710.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: You don't say 'gentrified' [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1710.0,1714.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: That is a word that you still always use.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1714.0,1717.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Well, I know, but nowadays, when everybody says it, it's terrible. Whereas if I look at what's happened in certainly Queens West and say that didn't displace anybody and it brought so many people into the community and it created a really cool unique environment. And you wouldn't have needed a library there if you hadn't had the people there. Right? And that's why there's a nice new library there. So I think it's improved the neighborhood. I think there is definitely an argument for displacement and concern and so on, but they're also so many people in there, you know, in Astoria houses at Queensbridge and at Ravenswood who benefit from investment into the neighborhood and to have a beautiful waterfront park to go to and things like that. 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She did some business courses at NYU. So my mom is a lawyer. She was in the first class of women at Harvard Law School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1824.0,1840.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Long time ago [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1840.0,1840.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: So, yeah, class of 1953. 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So, [laughs] she was having so much fun with all the college students and learning the business courses. And then, you went back to work after that. So that was a long time. And you only stopped like in 2000, maybe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1903.0,1956.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: I can't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1956.0,1956.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: I think so. Yeah. So she was in there for a long time and I mean, it was more part-time than full-time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=1956.0,1964.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Yeah because I still had the children, not at home at that point. They all went into the city to school in Manhattan because our schools in Forest Hills were overcrowded at that point. And we didn't think they were quite good enough for them. 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There were 13 of you, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2065.0,2068.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Yeah, that graduated - out of 500. So that odds are good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2068.0,2075.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: It was a good ratio [laughs]. 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They invited me to a meeting at the Harvard club and I went down there and I started to go up the first floor and they said, 'women aren't allowed in here.' And I said, 'well, I got an invitation from the law school. And they were having a meeting here and they certainly invited me.' So they snuck me up through the kitchen, all the way up the back stairs, the back elevator and stuff like that for the meeting. And then when the meeting was over, no one came to get me, so I marched with all the boys down the main stairway and stuff. And I enjoyed that cause we'd go by the library where all these old men are sitting like that. When they saw a woman go, 'what, what is a woman doing here.' 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So, he said, so let's just set up a foundation for them because we don't have much money now, but I think our business will do well and we can create a foundation. And so that foundation, which has been running since 1947, has now given over millions and millions and millions of dollars now, mainly to institutions in Long Island City, in Queens and then some religious Catholic institutions and also education. 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And then, the bigger chunk of the business is now in New York. And the plastics is a very small part of it at this point, but it's really property management. So, filling the space that we have and finding a really interesting mix of tenants and then another thing that we started not that long ago is the Plaxall Gallery. And that was originally intended as sort of a two month loan of the space to Long Island City artists. 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And my mom was actually honored at that gala.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2524.0,2560.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: I was on the board for a while cause they -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2560.0,2562.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: For a while. For like 32 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2562.0,2564.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Anyway, they got my husband on. They wanted a lawyer and they got my husband and my husband was so busy as a lawyer. He said, 'you're going to have to take this over.' And I did. I don't have time to go because first in the beginning, they went to women's houses and so on, on Park Avenue. Who were part of the board and they'd sit there and have tea and discuss things and just briefly mentioned the housing project and stuff. And he said, 'I have no time for this. 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But I've been hearing so many good things about that, about those organizations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2632.0,2638.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: She's a ball of fire, I tell you. And she has a couple of shops over there. She sells things that people contribute or give.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2638.0,2646.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: I give all my kids old clothes that are in good condition, but the hand-me-downs, I bring them there for them to sell. And that's how they make some of the money to then help support their daycare center and to help their housing for formerly incarcerated women and so on. They do some amazing work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2646.0,2666.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: You outta do a show them [laughs] because of all she has done. And she's getting so old, I think she's stepping down a little bit because I think she -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2666.0,2675.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: That's the pot calling the kettle. She's not near 90. What are you talking about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2675.0,2678.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: I think she is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2678.0,2679.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: No, she is not. There is no way there is no way, but she is starting to step down [laughs], and it's not because she's [laughs] no way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2679.0,2696.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: [Laughs] And so, you guys are talking about all these really wonderful community parts that you guys are involved in. I personally know Joe and Norma, so when you guys mentioned Plaxall gallery, I was like, 'Oh, I've been in the gallery before.' Which is, by the way, Plaxall Gallery is a beautiful space. I was telling someone, I was like, it's so high. Like the walls that it's - I knew, I think it's Jonathan Love. He loves to do the big walls and I was talking to him and he's like, 'well, I just took the entire wall.' He's like, 'I think my latest work is more than six feet tall.' I was like, okay [laughs]. And that was just like very, very believable cause I know how big those spaces. And I wanted to ask for both of you, you guys have been so involved with the community, what does a community mean to you and how do you see that in Hunter's Point/Long Island City?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2696.0,2755.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: What does the community mean to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2755.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: People getting together obviously and appreciating the place, the community that they're called in for and working together to improve it and to add to it. And ,also I think any place where more people know each other, it's a better community. I mean, community almost means that, and in a place like New York, New York City, particularly you can get very distant from that. So people don't even know the people on their same floor, in an apartment building and I think it's a good way to have people get together and it makes a community out of a place that otherwise would be a factory destination.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2760.0,2813.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: I would say - so your first question was what is community to you? And then the second part was in Hunter's Point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2813.0,2823.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: Yeah, how that kind of permeates through Hunter's Point too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2823.0,2828.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: So yeah, I would agree with everything my mom said on what a community is. And I think my generation has learned from my grandfather and grandmother and then our parents' generation that it is very important to give back. You're not just using the building as, you know, here's your work and then going home. I mean, it was very much how can we improve this neighborhood? How can we help the other businesses and so on. I mean, Plaxall was one of the founding members of the Long Island City partnership and that was many, many years over 40 years ago. And always supportive of the church, always supportive of Jacob Riis, as we were saying, which helps people who are - you were on the Queens Chamber of Commerce for awhile -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2828.0,2888.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Yeah, the Long Island City Chamber of Commerce.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2888.0,2889.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: But, we learned by their example because they would join these boards and roll up their sleeves. And I can't tell you how many envelopes I licked. Like how now you just send an email, mom used send out fundraising requests for Jacob Riis. And it would be stacks of papers and envelopes. And we'd all be like, all the kids put to work, licking these envelopes and getting everything out the door. But that shows what volunteering is and what giving back to the community is and how it can make a better place. And I think particularly like in the case of Jacob Riis settlement house, or Hour Children trying to help those who are less fortunate in the community, you have a Queensbridge, the largest public housing in the United States, a 10 minute walk from our factory.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2889.0,2945.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: You want to help the neighborhood. You want to make it a better place for everybody who's there. And if you can help provide opportunity in some way, mentoring in some way, that's important. And there's another comment. I think that my aunt made it at an event, which I think we did for the Queens Library. And it was something like I think she said, 'I give back because you know' and she's thinking and then she goes 'because [inaudible] it's a good feeling. It makes you feel good to know that you're participating in this community and that you're helping in some way shape it. And it is. It's very satisfying and as I said, I lived for, I think, earlier for 20 years in Europe and it was a different time in my life and I was very focused on my career or my children or my family, and I really didn't do much volunteering at all. And Plaxall has given me the opportunity now to be on a number of boards and to help with the community in a number of ways. And I think that's one of the most important aspects of my job at Plaxall. So I really love","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=2945.0,3024.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: She's a people person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3024.0,3030.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: I am [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3030.0,3030.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: And so, continuing off of that, you guys are so involved in the Hunter's Point Long Island City community, I wanted to ask for each of you, what are some of your specific favorite memories of the neighborhood, or maybe even specific people too, as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3030.0,3048.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: You go first [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3048.0,3053.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Well, I would say - honestly, sometimes just walking down the street from the 7 train to the office and bumping into people and, and until very recently, being able to wave at Mary Pedulla as I walked by and just feeling really, really happy to be a part of the whole neighborhood and that people recognize me. I mean, it takes time. I've been working at Plaxall now for seven years and in the beginning, I was definitely kind of like an outsider. [Inaudbile] she hasn't been there very long, and so on, and it takes time to build these relationships and so on. But I feel really good just about that. And in terms of people, there are so many people that love Long Island City and are really committed and everybody in these nonprofit groups really makes a commitment. There would just be too many people to list, I think. And I would certainly end up leaving somebody off because my memory isn't that good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3053.0,3124.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: If you haven't met sister Tesa, you ought to go interview her. Really because she has done a tremendous amount and they have this requirement that if you've ever been in jail, you can't live in the projects, at least that was the old rule. I don't know if it is anymore, until fairly recently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3124.0,3151.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: It definitely had been. That's what inspires.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3151.0,3152.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: So, she started finding places. I mean, she went to prisons before that, to Bedford, to tell people she was praying for them, get to know them, how they doing, that kind of visiting as a nun would do. And then she found that you have this big housing project there and none of these people, when they get out, no matter how much their lives have been changed and so on, they can't get into it. So she's sort of done something by having housing for some of those people -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3152.0,3193.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Housing and also helping them get back on their feet, in terms of finding jobs. And so, for example, even at Plaxall, we've hired a number of the women who are coming out of her Our Children programming. So they can learn how to be responsible at a job and to always show up on time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3193.0,3217.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: And a lot of them have children too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3217.0,3220.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: I was going to say, that is more important is that these are women who have children and that they haven't had the opportunity to [inaudible] them while they were babies perhaps, or while they were growing up and how to help someone be a good mother, who maybe didn't have the examples or the role models. So it's a really lovely thing that she does.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3220.0,3242.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: Well, I will be contacting you after this, [laughs] to see if there's an email or phone or phone to connect with, cause it's definitely amazing work. And yeah, like if I've mentioned, every everybody I've interviewed has mentioned this organization and have mentioned her, so my interest is piqued [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3242.0,3267.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: She's delightful and you better go fast because I don't know that she stepped down yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3267.0,3274.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: They're looking for a successor. They're looking for successor because she's done a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3274.0,3279.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: She's in her nineties.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3279.0,3279.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: She's not in her nineties. I'm sure she's not. I wish I could Google and figure out, but -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3279.0,3286.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: I think of nineties as very young since I'm in the middle [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3286.0,3288.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: [Laughs] You're in the young nineties mom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3288.0,3294.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: [Laughs] And so, in terms of just a few additional Hunter's Point questions before we end today, one of the last ones I have is in terms of Hunter's Point itself, what are some things that you see attracts people to the neighborhood, or even possibly detracts people from the neighborhood? I see a lot of people coming into the neighborhood, but just getting both sides of the coin for that question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3294.0,3321.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Why people would move out? I think a few years ago, the school choice was quite limited. So I noticed that a lot of people would say, as I mentioned with the strollers and everything, while their kids were quite little and maybe through elementary school, but then when they hit middle school, or eighth grade, they would move out and typically the suburbs or something like that. Or if they started on child number two, child number three, that could trigger them to move out of the neighborhood. But I think as more schools open, which they are coming. Every time there's a development, there are schools associated with that and I think that that's keeping families a bit longer than it would have been in the past.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3321.0,3385.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Why would people come here? I think when people come to visit Long Island City, they are so surprised. I have had friends who I went to school with in Manhattan who had never been to Long Island City. And I was like 'come on, come on over, we'll have lunch or have a drink and dinner.' And they're like, 'Oh my gosh, do I need the car to get over there? And, you know, should I pack my bag?' I was like, I'm talking Long Island City, not Montauk. It's like right here across. I can wave to you. And it is such a nice community, a nice environment. And I think you just get a very different vibe walking down the streets, Vernon Boulevard or walking on that waterfront park than you do walking down Park Avenue. And I like both. I like being near Grand Central. I love getting into that energy and so on. But it's like a tighter knit community, I think. So I definitely see the attraction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3385.0,3445.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: There's more personal interaction with people there than you'd find in Manhattan, I think. I mean, there are people could live in an apartment building and not ever really get to know any of their neighbors, which is too bad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3445.0,3461.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: Yeah. I know for working in the library, we have a lot of returning customers and my favorite is when they can still recognize me, even with my mask on and they're like, 'Oh, you're the one who's [inaudible]. I was just like, yeah. It's, like you said, there is definitely more of a tight knit community where you can feel like people know you. And so it was funny. I was like, 'good for you for recognizing me, with this mask on my face.' I was just like, 'I don't recognize myself in the mirror.' So I was like thumbs up for you. And so, as the community has been changing, are there any changes that you foresee happening in the near future?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3461.0,3505.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: I think COVID has slowed things down for the time being, so I'm not really sure what I would anticipate. If you had you asked me this even a year ago, we weren't quite in the thick of it yet. I probably would have had a very different answer, but we've been focusing on our properties at the waterfront for quite some time and looking at ways that we could also provide more jobs, more housing, more open space. And I think we've been obviously looking at this property, thinking about different ways to approach it for, for decades. And I think a lot of what we felt was important, like having community space, like having affordable housing along with market rate housing, because I think that creates a healthier neighborhood and more diversity and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3505.0,3572.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: I think having an open waterfront park and have it continue from the current park and go all the way up would be an amazing thing. And with bike lanes, etc. And having jobs, because I think part of what makes Long Island City really unique is that it's not just a bedroom community. It's not just people who show up at night. There are businesses there and that makes it a more vibrant community, during the day and in the evening. So, I'd like to think that at some point something will happen on our part of the waterfront to help us sort of to complete what's been going on to the South and then connect up to the North.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3572.0,3623.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: And you, Ann?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3623.0,3623.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Well, I think she's said an awful lot [laughs]. What was your main question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3623.0,3628.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: What changes do you foresee or would you like to see or, right - was that the question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3628.0,3636.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: Mhm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3636.0,3641.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: I don't know exactly what I'd like to see. I think it depends on what angle you're looking for. I mean, of course you like to see business come to Long Island City, but that doesn't help the idea of the neighborhood type of aspect of it. But it's certainly still an important part.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3641.0,3663.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Well, I think it does because I think having a place where you work that's right near where you live. I like it when people walk to work. I like it when people bike to work, when people can sort of drop off their kid at school and then walk another three blocks and they're in their workspace.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3663.0,3681.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: I mean, you still have another few places. Like you have the one where all the subway cars come out, which could be covered or.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3681.0,3692.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Sunnyside ards [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3692.0,3693.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Yeah, yeah. Providing more space for other things to happen. There are some ways to enlarge the community aspect of the place more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3693.0,3707.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: Okay. And so, we've kind of touched upon COVID-19, so you also wanted to ask how you guys are personally doing during this very strange time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3707.0,3719.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Well, you're doing as well as you can do. I mean, you can't be quite as open to new things or going a lot of different places that you would ordinarily do. I think, I feel very sad when I see some of my favorite department stores and so on closing and closing forever. Lord and Taylor is the one. Yeah. Yeah. And it's changed so many things and it's a shame. I just wish it would hurry and get over with so that people could start building and getting closer again together and -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3719.0,3763.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: spending more time together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3763.0,3767.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: That's right. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3767.0,3768.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: I mean, at the beginning and for the first several months, we were very good about not - I never came in the house, actually. My mom had an assistant who helped her with some of the day-to-day things, but I would drop off food and talk to her from outside and that kind of thing, which, I mean, many, many people had to deal with worse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3768.0,3794.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: And then, towards the summer, well, we had a family tragedy hit us because one of my brothers passed away of a heart attack that was very unexpected and it was not COVID-related.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3794.0,3808.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: While he was swimming too in the lake that we love.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3808.0,3811.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: Yeah, but in any case, that meant I didn't want to be away from my mom. So I kind of threw COVID protocol to the wind and said this is more important to spend time together and to be in the house together. So, while I was always very careful and clean and this and that and the other, we definitely started spending more time where I would be in the house or I spent the night to make sure everything was okay and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3811.0,3838.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: When you leave, we'll be going up to her house and I stay for the weekend, and then she swings by here on Monday morning and drops me off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3838.0,3847.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: But I think after however many months it was - let's see, it was March, April, May, June, middle of July - so it was four months where I really didn't come in or hug mom or anything like that. And then since then we just said, 'okay, we're gonna do our best to keep clean and everything else, but we need to have more social interaction' and so on. And that's been fine. We managed when mom made it through, two weeks after a second vaccine. And it was like, 'woohoo, we did it.' We did it, we got through without getting sick. And I think having that social interaction is really important. And I feel for so many families that have not been able to go in to places where their parents are living, or to be in there and be isolated and only dealing with phones, because it's just not healthy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3847.0,3923.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: Well, fingers crossed by fall of 2021, they'll be back. And so, yeah, I want to go into my last recorded question for you guys. I always say it's my favorite question to ask people is, what are you most hopeful for this year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3923.0,3939.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: What are we most hopeful for this year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3939.0,3943.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: That people can get together again. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3943.0,3949.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: For me, being the mother of two college-aged daughters and one who's in 11th grade, that schools get back to normal because I think it is really hard to be missing out on the social interaction. Everybody can learn academics if you force it, at that age, at that age. I think it's much more difficult for young kids, but you can get your work done and so on, but it is lacking that opportunity to meet new people, get to have really good friends. And that's where you make a lot of your best friends are in college. And it's a critical time for sort of new relationships and boyfriends, girlfriends, and all of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3949.0,3995.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Paula Kirby: And I feel is sad that I have one daughter who's burning up the track academically, but stuck in her room, in front of a computer all day and not even allowed really hardly any interaction outside. And that's really a shame because I think people will be scarred, children especially. And I would think even even much younger children. Being with people is how the world has been forever and it's how you make those special bonds and so on. And if you don't have that skill-set or those learnings, it's a whole year that you haven't had it. It's a shame. So I'm hoping that once a lot of the older people get vaccinated and people feel more comfortable with herd immunity, that things really very quickly get back to the way they were, so kids are not harmed by this in a permanent way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=3995.0,4063.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: All right. Well, on that note, thank you -","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=4063.0,4066.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ann Pfohl Kirby: Tell us what you hope.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=4066.0,4068.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392/transcript/34384/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jo-Ann Wong: What I hope? I hope that people become more empathetic during this time and just care for each other at this time. I mean, I think some of the best things that I think have happened during this period of time is just hearing these stories of people really helping out other people and it's stories like that I'm like, okay, we're all going to be okay [laughs]. But also, people being more empathetic and not taking for granted what we have. Appreciating what we have. I think that's a big part of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/44026/file/130392#t=4068.0,4110.23674"}]}]}]}