{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/xp6tx3673t/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Memories of Migration Episode 3: Travel"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/010/original/Aviary_QPLlogo_192x192.png?1578574261","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2019-06-20"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Natalie Milbrodt (Host)","Christopher Boles (Interviewee)","Mary Twomey (Interviewee)","Frank Fortino (Interviewee)","Antonina Cucchiara (Interviewee)","Josephine Caputi (Interviewee)","Joseph Caputi (Interviewee)","Pat McCluskey (Interviewer)","Eileen Sprague (Interviewer)","Stephanie Fortino-Gonzalez (Interviewer)","Adriene Lara (Producer)","Elias Ravin (Composer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThis is the Queens Memory Podcast, a selection of personal histories from the borough of Queens in New York City. Our first season collects stories of migration. In this third episode, we heard stories about travel — physical movements and how we embody our histories.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eFROM THE ARCHIVES: Storytellers whose oral histories we feature in this episode, with links to full interviews and timecode outlines\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"../../../r/gm81j97h60\"\u003eChristopher Boles\u003c/a\u003e, interviewed by Eileen Sprague and Sarah Covington as part of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.qcirishstudies.org/new-page\"\u003eIrish in Queens Oral History Project\u003c/a\u003e (2017)\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://digitalarchives.queenslibrary.org/vital/access/manager/Repository/aql:34389\"\u003eMary Twomey\u003c/a\u003e, interviewed by Eileen Sprague in the \u003ca href=\"http://www.qcirishstudies.org/new-page\"\u003eIrish in Queens Oral History Project\u003c/a\u003e (2015)\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://digitalarchives.queenslibrary.org/vital/access/manager/Repository/aql:22093\"\u003eFrank Fortino\u003c/a\u003e, interviewed by Stephanie Fortino-Gonzalez (2017)\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"../../../r/x05x63bh5x\"\u003eAntonina Cucchiara\u003c/a\u003e, interviewed by Stephanie Fortino-Gonzalez (2017)\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://digitalarchives.queenslibrary.org/vital/access/manager/Repository/aql:22079\"\u003eJosephine Caputi\u003c/a\u003e, interviewed by Stephanie Fortino-Gonzalez (2017)\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://digitalarchives.queenslibrary.org/vital/access/manager/Repository/aql:22073\"\u003eJoseph Caput\u003c/a\u003ei, interviewed by Stephanie Fortino-Gonzalez (2017)\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIN THE STACKS: References available through the Queens Public Library\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eResearch for this episode comes from the Queens Public Library stacks and databases, along with various online sources and Wikipedia articles.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eFrom research for \u003ca href=\"../../../r/j96057dr8j\"\u003eEpisode 1 on Origins,\u003c/a\u003e we learned about the historical moment around and decades after the Irish Civil War through \u003ca href=\"https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?p=AONE\u0026amp;u=nysl_me_queensb\u0026amp;id=GALE|A133705220\u0026amp;v=2.1\u0026amp;it=r\u0026amp;sid=AONE\u0026amp;asid=cd7dca40\"\u003ethis article\u003c/a\u003e by Jim Smyth. For this episode, we also referenced this \u003ca href=\"http://go.galegroup.com/ps/retrieve.do?tabID=T002\u0026amp;resultListType=RESULT_LIST\u0026amp;searchResultsType=SingleTab\u0026amp;searchType=BasicSearchForm\u0026amp;currentPosition=2\u0026amp;docId=GALE%7CA366176836\u0026amp;docType=Essay\u0026amp;sort=Relevance\u0026amp;contentSegment=ZONE-Exclude-FT\u0026amp;prodId=AONE\u0026amp;contentSet=GALE%7CA366176836\u0026amp;searchId=R23\u0026amp;userGroupName=nysl_me_queensb\u0026amp;inPS=true\"\u003ecompilation of papers\u003c/a\u003e by Mary Daly, Brian Girvan, Frank Barry, and Eoin O’Leary on Ireland’s economy since the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1923.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eTo learn about the political history of Italy in the 1940s and 50s, we read \u003ca href=\"http://go.galegroup.com/ps/retrieve.do?tabID=T002\u0026amp;resultListType=RESULT_LIST\u0026amp;searchResultsType=SingleTab\u0026amp;searchType=BasicSearchForm\u0026amp;currentPosition=17\u0026amp;docId=GALE%7CA60578630\u0026amp;docType=Article\u0026amp;sort=Relevance\u0026amp;contentSegment=ZONE-Exclude-FT\u0026amp;prodId=AONE\u0026amp;contentSet=GALE%7CA60578630\u0026amp;searchId=R14\u0026amp;userGroupName=nysl_me_queensb\u0026amp;inPS=true\"\u003ethis article\u003c/a\u003e by Stefano Luconi that links political alignments of Italian Americans post-World War II, various political directions in Italy after the war, and U.S. intervention in Italy against communist movements.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eREFERENCE DESK: Sources referenced in this episode from beyond the library\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eA special thanks to Dr. Sarah Covington and Dr. Peter Vellon, in the Irish Studies department and Calandra Italian American Institute respectively at Queens College, for the time and thought taken to review our history blurbs for this episode.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eGUIDING QUESTIONS: Origin points for discussion\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e●       What kinds of transportation have you taken to get to where you are?\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e●       Additionally, in our \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/301836293831541/\"\u003ethird premiere event\u003c/a\u003e for the first season of this podcast, it was brought to our attention that another American airline may have been active and flying internationally during the 1950s, as opposed to what we mention in this episode. Were you flying internationally from and to the U.S. in the 1950s? What airline did you take?\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eVoice narration, editing, and supervision by Natalie Milbrodt\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eProduction, writing, and research by Adriene Lara\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eMusical composition by Elias Ravin\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eListen to the episode on \u003ca href=\"https://soundcloud.com/queens-public-library/memories-of-migration-episode-three-travel\"\u003eSoundCloud\u003c/a\u003e, as well as any other platform you find your podcasts. Give us a like if you want, and comment to share your thoughts with us. Find more from \u003ca href=\"https://queensmemory.org/\"\u003eQueens Memory at QueensMemory.org\u003c/a\u003e, on \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/queensmemory/\"\u003eFacebook at Queens Memory\u003c/a\u003e, and on \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/QueensMemory\"\u003eTwitter at @QueensMemory\u003c/a\u003e.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThis audio piece was produced by the Queens Memory Project and is available for use under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International Public License. For inquiries, please contact queensmemory@queenslibrary.org.\u003c/p\u003e"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThis is the Queens Memory Podcast, a selection of personal histories from the borough of Queens in New York City. Our first season collects stories of migration. In this third episode, we heard stories about travel \u0026mdash; physical movements and how we embody our histories.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eFROM THE ARCHIVES: Storytellers whose oral histories we feature in this episode, with links to full interviews and timecode outlines\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"../../../r/gm81j97h60\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eChristopher Boles\u003c/a\u003e, interviewed by Eileen Sprague and Sarah Covington as part of the \u003ca href=\"http://www.qcirishstudies.org/new-page\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eIrish in Queens Oral History Project\u003c/a\u003e (2017)\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://digitalarchives.queenslibrary.org/vital/access/manager/Repository/aql:34389\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eMary Twomey\u003c/a\u003e, interviewed by Eileen Sprague in the \u003ca href=\"http://www.qcirishstudies.org/new-page\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eIrish in Queens Oral History Project\u003c/a\u003e (2015)\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://digitalarchives.queenslibrary.org/vital/access/manager/Repository/aql:22093\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eFrank Fortino\u003c/a\u003e, interviewed by Stephanie Fortino-Gonzalez (2017)\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"../../../r/x05x63bh5x\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eAntonina Cucchiara\u003c/a\u003e, interviewed by Stephanie Fortino-Gonzalez (2017)\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://digitalarchives.queenslibrary.org/vital/access/manager/Repository/aql:22079\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eJosephine Caputi\u003c/a\u003e, interviewed by Stephanie Fortino-Gonzalez (2017)\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003ca href=\"http://digitalarchives.queenslibrary.org/vital/access/manager/Repository/aql:22073\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eJoseph Caput\u003c/a\u003ei, interviewed by Stephanie Fortino-Gonzalez (2017)\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIN THE STACKS: References available through the Queens Public Library\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eResearch for this episode comes from the Queens Public Library stacks and databases, along with various online sources and Wikipedia articles.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eFrom research for \u003ca href=\"../../../r/j96057dr8j\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eEpisode 1 on Origins,\u003c/a\u003e we learned about the historical moment around and decades after the Irish Civil War through \u003ca href=\"https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?p=AONE\u0026amp;u=nysl_me_queensb\u0026amp;id=GALE|A133705220\u0026amp;v=2.1\u0026amp;it=r\u0026amp;sid=AONE\u0026amp;asid=cd7dca40\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003ethis article\u003c/a\u003e by Jim Smyth. For this episode, we also referenced this \u003ca href=\"http://go.galegroup.com/ps/retrieve.do?tabID=T002\u0026amp;resultListType=RESULT_LIST\u0026amp;searchResultsType=SingleTab\u0026amp;searchType=BasicSearchForm\u0026amp;currentPosition=2\u0026amp;docId=GALE%7CA366176836\u0026amp;docType=Essay\u0026amp;sort=Relevance\u0026amp;contentSegment=ZONE-Exclude-FT\u0026amp;prodId=AONE\u0026amp;contentSet=GALE%7CA366176836\u0026amp;searchId=R23\u0026amp;userGroupName=nysl_me_queensb\u0026amp;inPS=true\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003ecompilation of papers\u003c/a\u003e by Mary Daly, Brian Girvan, Frank Barry, and Eoin O\u0026rsquo;Leary on Ireland\u0026rsquo;s economy since the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1923.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eTo learn about the political history of Italy in the 1940s and 50s, we read \u003ca href=\"http://go.galegroup.com/ps/retrieve.do?tabID=T002\u0026amp;resultListType=RESULT_LIST\u0026amp;searchResultsType=SingleTab\u0026amp;searchType=BasicSearchForm\u0026amp;currentPosition=17\u0026amp;docId=GALE%7CA60578630\u0026amp;docType=Article\u0026amp;sort=Relevance\u0026amp;contentSegment=ZONE-Exclude-FT\u0026amp;prodId=AONE\u0026amp;contentSet=GALE%7CA60578630\u0026amp;searchId=R14\u0026amp;userGroupName=nysl_me_queensb\u0026amp;inPS=true\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003ethis article\u003c/a\u003e by Stefano Luconi that links political alignments of Italian Americans post-World War II, various political directions in Italy after the war, and U.S. intervention in Italy against communist movements.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eREFERENCE DESK: Sources referenced in this episode from beyond the library\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eA special thanks to Dr. Sarah Covington and Dr. Peter Vellon, in the Irish Studies department and Calandra Italian American Institute respectively at Queens College, for the time and thought taken to review our history blurbs for this episode.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eGUIDING QUESTIONS: Origin points for discussion\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e●\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp; What kinds of transportation have you taken to get to where you are?\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e●\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp;\u0026nbsp; Additionally, in our \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/events/301836293831541/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003ethird premiere event\u003c/a\u003e for the first season of this podcast, it was brought to our attention that another American airline may have been active and flying internationally during the 1950s, as opposed to what we mention in this episode. Were you flying internationally from and to the U.S. in the 1950s? What airline did you take?\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eVoice narration, editing, and supervision by Natalie Milbrodt\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eProduction, writing, and research by Adriene Lara\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eMusical composition by Elias Ravin\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eListen to the episode on \u003ca href=\"https://soundcloud.com/queens-public-library/memories-of-migration-episode-three-travel\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eSoundCloud\u003c/a\u003e, as well as any other platform you find your podcasts. Give us a like if you want, and comment to share your thoughts with us. Find more from \u003ca href=\"https://queensmemory.org/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eQueens Memory at QueensMemory.org\u003c/a\u003e, on \u003ca href=\"https://www.facebook.com/queensmemory/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eFacebook at Queens Memory\u003c/a\u003e, and on \u003ca href=\"https://twitter.com/QueensMemory\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003eTwitter at @QueensMemory\u003c/a\u003e.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThis audio piece was produced by the Queens Memory Project and is available for use under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International Public License. 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This podcast comes to you from the Queens Memory Project, based in Jamaica, Queens at the Queens Central Library. I'm Natalie Milbrodt, Director of Queens Memory, where we record and preserve contemporary history across the borough. We grow our archives by collecting oral histories, photos, and mementos shared with us by community members. Local volunteers, who train with Queens Memory staff, facilitate and record our oral history interviews.\n\nWe feature oral histories from our archives so we can reflect on and engage with the histories we listen to and tell one another. How do we carry each other’s stories? What shapes our personal and family histories? How did we get to the neighborhoods where we live? And where are we in relation to each other's histories?\n\nAs part of New York City, Queens has long been a point of entry to the United States. Thinking about the borough in this way, we searched through our archives to gather stories of migration for this first season of the Queens Memory Podcast. These stories cross continents and move through decades of the past century. We share these oral histories to reflect on the histories of this borough, of this country, and of ourselves.\n\n[BACKGROUND MUSIC CHANGES]\n\n[INTRODUCTORY AUDIO COLLAGE BEGINS]\n\nCHRISTOPHER BOLES: - took a boat from Belfast to Glasgow -\nMARY TWOMEY: - I travelled by plane -\nFRANK FORTINO: - we came on TWA - on a flight from Rome -\nANTONINA CUCCHIARA: - we took a ship - from Palermo - arrived at the port in New York -\nJOSEPHINE CAPUTI: - came here by, uh, passenger ship -\nJOSEPH CAPUTI: - we came with an ocean liner called Saturno -\n\n[PAUSE WITH MUSIC]\n\nNM: The oral histories in this third episode move, by trains, boats, and planes, across oceans and land. In this episode, we’ll hear stories about travel — physical movements and how we embody our histories. We found two collections in our archives that we decided to feature in this episode. These interviews struck us in the detail and specificity they offered in stories about travelling to and arriving in New York. The first set of oral histories comes from the Woodside Irish Oral History Project recorded throughout 2015, and the second from a March 2017 family collection by Queens Memory volunteer Stephanie Fortino Gonzalez. Together, these stories span about a decade and a half of memories, from 1950 to 1966. With these memories, we want to think about how our specific historical circumstances shape where we go and how we get there.\n\nLet’s listen.\n\n[MUSIC FADES OUT]\n\nBODY\n\nNM: To preface these oral histories, we'll start by telling micro histories of both Italy and Ireland, starting with Ireland in the mid-twentieth century.\n\nFor Ireland in the 1950s and 60s, many from rural regions in particular moved out of the country compelled by various motivations. From our archives, Mary Twomey cites political persecution and eventual job prospects, and Christopher Boles attributes his migration to searching for work and chances taken on a whim. The political environment of Ireland was marked by contention concerning the state of the republic and its relationships to Northern Ireland and the British Commonwealth. Many factions of the IRA engaged in direct action to support the unification of Ireland and formation of a divergent Irish state. Different movements supported different political structures, notably Marxism and republic-based socialism. In addition to ongoing political struggles, economic policies both internationally and in Ireland hindered the small-scale, farm-based work that many throughout Ireland relied upon for their livelihoods.\n\nLet’s take a listen now to Christopher Boles and Mary Twomey tell stories of their travels and eventual landings in Queens.\n\n[FIRST ORAL HISTORY BEGINS, with CHRISTOPHER BOLES]\n\nPAT MCCLUSKEY: Did you take a boat over or?\n\nCHRISTOPHER BOLES: Ah, I took a boat from Belfast to Glasgow.\n\nPM: Oh.\n\nCB: And uh, I got a ship from Glasgow to St. John, New Brunswick, and then I had a long train ride from St. John, New Brunswick to To- Toronto. Went through Montreal, and onto Toronto. I think it took all night from 6 o'clock in the evening until about 6 o'clock the following evening when I got to Toronto. [LAUGHS]\n\nPM: Were you nervous, or? Or, uh, what were you feeling?\n\nCB: Not exactly, not really. No.\n\nPM: It must'a been strange to see that landscape, and, you know, it's like- did it feel like a different country?\n\nCB: Well, it was- I remember the train ride, lookin' out the window and it seemed to be nice, you know, with the trees and the snow. It was all snow. That was January. And, uh, that was kinda nice with the lights and the snow and the trees and all that.\n\n[AUDIO CUTS]\n\nI decided that I'd try Canada first, then later on, I'd go to New York if I didn't like it or something. [LAUGHS]\n\n[SECOND ORAL HISTORY BEGINS, with MARY TWOMEY]\n\nEILEEN SPRAGUE, interviewer: When did you come from Ireland?\n\nMARY TWOMEY: I came in January 1950.\n\nES: How did you travel?\n\nMT: I travelled by plane. I got on the plane, you know, I had all new clothes, and I remember to this day exactly what I had because you didn't get new clothes much. So, I had all new clothes on me, and a coat, and a hat, and I got on the plane by myself, and- and we got off in Newfoundland, and at that time, they stopped at Gander, I think they used to call it. Gander, Newfoundland. And I had pineapple juice, ‘cause I thought it was lemonade -\n\nES: Oof.\n\nMT: And I got deathly ill! And I went back on the plane, threw up, and they put me lying down in the back of the plane, and I got off the plane with all my clothes on, exactly the same as I got on the plane!\n\n[AUDIO CUTS]\n\nES: That was very exciting. How did you feel about getting on the plane?\n\nMT: [INHALES] I didn't- I- for whatever reason, I wasn’t nervous. Um... I wasn’t lonely. I was never lonely after I came, which is really surprising 'cause children- my aunt took an awful chance, really, in bringing me here, and I had never met her. I'd never met my uncle. I don't even know if I'd ever heard of them.\n\n[AUDIO CUTS]\n\nES: What was your first impression once you recovered, of- of New York?\n\nMT: Um... well -\n\n[AUDIO CUTS]\n\n- I remember, I so remember getting into a car. I don't think I had been into a car three times in Ireland. There was- cars were just, in 1950, there were no cars in the country, and I was from the real country. So, um, I- I was, uh- I remember coming in, and seeing all, you know, the cars, the back-up, the- there was- there was even traffic jams then!\n\nES: [LAUGHS]\n\nMT: And I can remember seeing all of these terrific, like, lights, you know. Um, I still remember that. It was so vivid in my memory, of, you know, how, like, we were- where are- what kind of- what were these lights, I didn't even know, like! You know? And I remember sitting in back of the car and looking at that. And, my first impression of- of Woodside... I don’t really remember having any, other than like, I met family members.\n\n[AUDIO CUTS]\n\nMy aunt and my uncle- my two aunts and an uncle met me.\n\n[AUDIO CUTS]\n\nI remember my first night, after my aunt’s bathin’ me, and I got into bed, and I was a bit of a, I suppose a little wild thing. And I got into my- the- my aunt put me sittin' up in the bed and I had company that night, and I stood up in the bed and I ran down and I toppled the whole bed! [LAUGHS] And my poor uncle... My uncle, you know, they had never had children, so I was- I- I'm sure, you know, he probably nearly dropped dead.\n\nES: [LAUGHS]\n\nMT: [LAUGHS] \"What are we getting into?!\" And then when I would go to bed at night, I would sing an Irish song!\n\nES: I bet they loved that.\n\nMT: I sup- yeah, they did!\n\nNM: Now, let’s listen to Frank Fortino, who in the following clips recounts a flight taken on Trans World Airlines, or TWA, in 1965. TWA was by the 1960s a major domestic airline, since then bought out by American Airlines in 2001. TWA was also the only other American airline, after Pan American, to serve international passenger flights between the end of World War II and the deregulation of U.S. airlines in the 1970s.\n\n[THIRD ORAL HISTORY BEGINS, with FRANK FORTINO]\n\nSTEPHANIE FORTINO-GONZALEZ, interviewer: So, I think you mentioned that you came by airplane. Do you remin- uh, remember the experience of- was that your first time on an airplane?\n\nFRANK FORTINO: Oh.\n\nSFG: Do you remember anything about it? Or, the flight, or the airline?\n\nFF: Absolutely. I- we came on- actually, I don’t remember the flight number, but we came from TWA, on a flight from Rome, with a st- two stops! One in Paris, one in London, and then onto the United States. The flight was endless.\n\nSFG: [LAUGHS]\n\nFF: I think it lasted about 14 hours, if not, maybe even 15 with all the stops. Um, scared, I was scared. Um, you know, especially when the plane moved, I didn’t know what was goin’ on. Um... um, it was kinda weird! The flight attendants, nobody spoke Italian, and they would, uh, come around, offer you food, and I- we didn’t take anything. Really. I mean, I don’t think that the food looked very appealing to us. \n\nSFG: [LAUGHS]\n\nFF: They would put it down in front of us and we'd look at it and, uh, I would look at the people across the aisle and they were eating, and I just couldn’t get past the smell of it. [LAUGHS] It just did not look appealing at all! But- but, you know, as Italians are the way they are, my mother had made sandwiches -\n\n[LAUGHTER FROM BACKGROUND]\n\nFF: - and we ate those!\n\nSFG: [LAUGHS] Back when you could take food on the-\n\nFF: Yes!\n\nSFG: On the flight with you!\n\nFF: Absolutely, yes.\n\n[AUDIO CUTS]\n\nSFG: Tell us a little bit about what happened in the- if you remember anything about the immediate few days upon your arrival if there were any issues or problems. Um, or what steps, you know, your family took upon arriving, um, within the first few days if you remember anything.\n\nFF: I- I don't- I don’t think there were any issues. Uh, my father was here already, he was well-established. Um, they had an apartment, my sister was with him, and um, we went straight to that apartment in- in College point.\n\n[AUDIO CUTS]\n\nUm, we lived there for a few years -\n\n[BACKGROUND MUSIC BEGINS TO FADE IN]\n\n- before they bought a house, but um- no, I do- I can't foresee any- any issues we had. Again, because my father had already been here. I guess if- if we all had arrived together, it would’ve been different.\n\nNM: Frank Fortino also connects World War II with the conditions that compelled his family to emigrate to the United States.\n\nFF: My mother and father, of course, decided - after World War II - life was really rough. - I wasn’t born yet, but - of what they told me - they decided that they wanted to come to the United States - ‘cause my father had a older sister who- who had immigrated in 1935.\n\nNM: Following the surrender of the Italian state to Allied powers after World War II, Allied militaries occupied Italian regions and declared that sovereignty imposed over African territories colonized by Italy was to transfer to the United Nations. Various political movements, parties, and peoples were simultaneously engaged in building different political structures for the post-Fascist Republic of Italy. Efforts went toward disparate prospects such as communism, anarchism, monarchy, and Catholic democracy. The United States placed particular pressure on the Italian state to veer from communism, particularly through financial backing from the Marshall Plan. In addition, demand for industrial production to support U.S. war operations in Korea resulted in the expansion of urban and industrial job openings. However, widespread poverty continued to permeate Italy throughout the 1950s, particularly in agricultural regions in Southern Italy from which many emigrated to move to industrial regions up north.\n\nWe'll now hear Antonina Cucchiara, Josephine Caputi, and Joseph Caputi describe their trips to New York via ship. Both of the ships mentioned, the MS Saturnia and SS Cristoforo Colombo, were under the Italian Line, a passenger ship company that the Italian state funded after World War II to build ships for travel between Italy and New York City.\n\nNow, let's get into the clips and listen.\n\n[FOURTH ORAL HISTORY BEGINS, with ANTONINA CUCCHIARA]\n\nANTONINA CUCCHIARA: We took uh, a ship, from Palermo, eh, in 19- March 9th, 1966, I believe. Eh, yes it was. And, we got the cruise ship. Eh, well, it wasn't a cruise -\n\nSTEPHANIE FORTINO-GONZALEZ, interviewer: [LAUGHS]\n\nAC: - but it was a, you know. [LAUGHS] Eh, it was- the name was Cristoforo Colombo. And we sailed from Palermo, the next stop was Napoli—Naples.\n\n[AUDIO CUTS]\n\nIn Naples, we stayed one day, and we all got off 'cause we all thinkin' we on vacation. And we met a cousin of mine that was in the military, and he came to meet us there at the port where it was - [TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: Did not understand a few words] - so we got back on the ship, and so the next was Spain. From Spain, we called my family in New York, they say, \"Oh, we arrivin’ the next day.\" And they asked my father what he wanna eat. Right away, he said, \"Pasta with olive oil, garlic and oil.\"\n\nSFG: [LAUGHS]\n\nAC: \"Alright.\" 'Cause they don’t like the food in the ship.\n\n[AUDIO CUTS]\n\nFrom there, then it took us 11, I think 11 to 12 days to get here.\n\n[AUDIO CUTS]\n\nSo, eh, and so we got here March 21st, 1966. We arrived at the port in, um, in New York, I believe it was Atlantic Avenue.\n\n[AUDIO CUTS]\n\nSFG: Do- do you remember your feelings when you pulled into the Port of New York?\n\nAC: Well, it was happy. For me, it was happy. I saw my family that I never met. Family, my mother’s brothers that we never met because they left! From Italy, they came to United States when they're young, then here, they had a family too! They were married, they have kids. So, I- no, I was excited to meet my, my family in New York, very excited. My mother too, of course, that was the reason we came.\n\nSFG: So she must've been very happy.\n\nAC: She was very happy...\n\nSFG: How was your father handling it? You said he was not-\n\nAC: My father- he- when we- he says, \"Do not unpack. Don't unpack.\" When we got to -\n\n[AUDIO CUTS]\n\n- East New York, that's where my grandfather lived. So, we- they rented a place for us across the street from where they lived. My grandfather lived in a big house, so they rented us- everything was nice. A beautiful apartment. They- we found everything you would need. Food, the refrigerator, the furniture, beds, for all of us.\n\n[AUDIO CUTS]\n\nNothing was missing, everything is there, but my father, that night, he says, \"Do not unpack. Don't even get your clothes out of- 'cause we have clothes in the drawers.\" My grandmother- everything was there. Clothes for us. It was full-packed, the house. Television, nothing was missing! So, it wasn't like we came to- I mean, the neighborhood wasn't that good. It wasn't what we're used to, you know. But, a strange place. So, my father thought, \"Okay, we'll stay here a month, and then we'll go back. She would be fine, you know, seeing your grandmother, you know, your mother, she lives across the street, and we'll be fine, but, no, no, no, don't unpack. Don't unpack.\"\n\nSFG: [LAUGHS]\n\nAC: My father wasn't good. No.\n\n[FIFTH ORAL HISTORY BEGINS, with JOSEPHINE CAPUTI]\n\nSTEPHANIE FORTINO-GONZALEZ, interviewer: Could you tell me a little bit about the actual moving process? Like, what transportation did you take, when you immigrated?\n\nJOSEPHINE CAPUTI: Uh, we, uh- we came here by, um- uh- by, uh, passenger ship.\n\nSFG: Passenger ship. Do you remember the name of the ship?\n\nJC: Yes. Uh, the SS Constitution.\n\nSFG: What was that like to do? Um... [LAUGHS]\n\nJC: [LAUGHS] It was fun.\n\nSFG: It was fun?\n\nJC: Yeah, it was a lotta fun. We, uh- like I said, it was- it was like a vacation for us. Uh, we had a stopover at Genoa, then also another stopover was at, uh, in Barcelona, Spain. And, uh, I was small at that time, I was 8 years old. But I still remember, you know, really vividly, and a lotta people got seasick and all. My parents, my sister, my dad, all got seasick, but I- I don't, you know- I think I was the only one that was fine. I didn't get seasick, but I recall the, you know, the ship swaying and, uh, the dishes swaying from one end to the other. [LAUGHS] And, you know, it was an adventure, it really was. We had fun.\n\nSFG: And you came into New York Harbor?\n\nJC: Yes.\n\nSFG: H- what was that experience like, to see New York?\n\nJC: I- I recall when, uh, when we were first, you know, approaching, uh, the Hudson River, they- they called us on- on board to go on top, you know, on the top, uh, level, uh, to see the Statue of Liberty, and that was a sight to behold, really. That was- that was amazing.\n\nSFG: So, did your nervousness turn to excitement there?\n\nJC: Yes. Yes. We were very excited, yes. Th- yes.\n\nSFG: Um, so, what kinda things did your family take with you? And, is there anything that you think you took with you or a family member took with you for personal reason moreso than a practical reason?\n\nJC: Um... [CLEARS MOUTH] What did my family take? Uh... They took, I think, some sort of a trunk [LAUGHS] that my parents still have! Don't ask me, you know. They took, like, all these little, like, dishes and stuff like that. Uh, I guess they thought, you know, they- they don't wanna leave anything behind, so they don't know what to expect here so they took things that they felt comfortable with also. Like, you know, not personal, but like, uh, mostly like household goods and stuff like that.\n\n[SIXTH ORAL HISTORY BEGINS, with JOSEPH CAPUTI]\n\nSTEPHANIE FORTINO-GONZALEZ, interviewer: What was the actual moving process like? What form of transportation did you take?\n\nJOSEPH CAPUTI: We came with an ocean liner called Saturno, and it was. Oof.\n\nSFG: [LAUGHS]\n\nJC: That was an experience for me. I was so- I got so sick. [LAUGHS] And, uh, there was like, about two weeks of traveling and, uh, I was very sick of the si- of the- from the ocean. And it was weird, because when I came to this country, I couldn't even take a subway, a train, from the motion sickness. I couldn't even go in a car. That's how bad it was! [LAUGHS]\n\nSFG: [LAUGHS]\n\nJC: You know. So that was an experience for me!\n\nSFG: Sure!\n\n[LAUGHS IN BACKGROUND]\n\nJC: So then, finally I got used to it! And, uh, I could start taking the car or the buses. But that was a long trip, and, um, it was crazy. [TRANSCRIBER’S NOTE: Did not understand a few words]\n\nSFG: Did you pull into New York Harbor?\n\nJC: Yes, we did.\n\nSFG: Did anybody meet you there? Did, uh-\n\nJC: Yeah, my uncle, my uncle was first, and my dad to meet us. And it was, uh, an experience to see my dad after seven years -\n\nSFG: Wow.\n\nJC: - of not seein' him. So it was nice, you know.\n\n[BACKGROUND MUSIC BEGINS TO FADE IN]\n\nFirst thing I asked my mom was, \"Who's this guy?\"\n\n[LAUGHS IN BACKGROUND]\n\n\"Who's this stranger, you know, comin' to us?\" 'Cause he went to hug my mom and us. Then she finally told me, \"That's your dad.\" You know. It was an ex- it was very exciting.\n\nOUTRO\n\nNM: Thank you for listening with us on the Queens Memory Podcast.\n\nVisit our show notes blog at Queens Memory dot org. There, you’ll find full transcripts and written translations of this episode, and more to listen to from our archives. We’ve also added reading recommendations from Queens Public Library’s collections as well as resources from local community organizations. And, if you want your stories to join those you heard today and become part of our archives, head to Queens Memory dot org forward slash participate or to our show notes to find out more.\n\nI’d like to thank our producer Adriene Lara and our composer Elias Ravin. A warm thank you to Ro Garrido for providing fundamental collaboration and support, and to Richard Lee and Molly Schwartz for offering their guidance and wisdom. Thanks also to the Queens Public Library and the Institute of Museum and Library Services for hosting and funding this podcast. Finally, thank you to all the interviewees, interviewers, interns, and volunteers for collecting and sharing the stories that make this podcast possible.\n\nIf you’re listening with others, and want to reflect together, here’s a guiding question: What kinds of transportation have you taken to get to where you are? In the fourth episode, we reflect on schooling.\n\nListen with us next time on the Queens Memory Podcast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/105/collection_resources/61521/file/138731#t=0.0,1381.62525"}]}]}]}