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All right. I got it to work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2.0,4.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Good man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=4.0,6.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: [laughs] sorry about that. Technology—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=6.0,11.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: That's alright.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=11.0,11.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: —always works except when you need it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=11.0,13.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=13.0,14.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah. How are you today?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=14.0,19.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: I'm good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=19.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Great. I just finished speaking with Waldo Jeff. I shared your number with him and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=20.0,31.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Thank you for doing that. 'Cause I just got off the phone with him [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=31.0,35.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Oh, you did? Okay, great. Great, great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=35.0,36.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Yep.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=36.0,38.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: How was the conversation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=38.0,40.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Oh, it was great. Brought back a lot of old memories. Believe me. We haven't seen each other in over 40 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=40.0,48.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah. I think he mentioned that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=48.0,52.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Yeah, it's been a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=52.0,53.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: All right. Yeah. So I guess—did he explain the project to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=53.0,59.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=59.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: [laughs] So—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=60.0,63.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: You talking about a whole bunch of old stuff that had to do with when we were at SEEK, so we didn't get a chance to get—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=63.0,69.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=69.0,69.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: —into detail.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=69.0,70.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: —Well that, that was like—what we want is, we're collecting oral histories around SEEK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=70.0,77.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=77.0,78.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And we're going to put them in the archives at Queens College, just because we know that this was a really important program, from its exception in 1966 until now. So—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=78.0,89.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=89.0,89.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: —we just wanted to collect—capture some of the stories and memories that people have. So, the first thing I'm gonna do is get the slate, which is, today is August 20th, 2019. My name is Obden Mondesir. I'm collecting this oral history on the behalf of the Queens College Archives and Special Collections. I am with Dr. Keith Clark. And, what—the first question I'm gonna ask is, Dr. Clark, are you okay if we use this oral history for any online publications and for keeping it within our archives?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=89.0,134.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Sure, it's fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=134.0,135.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. And then—so the way we wanted to go about this is that we kind of wanted to do like, a brief life history. And then—so like, talking about where you were born, where you grew up, and then what led you into the SEEK program. And, I know that you decided to get your doctorate. 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So the first question I'm gonna ask you is, could you tell me the year you were born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=159.0,166.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: 1941","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=166.0,169.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=169.0,171.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Panama.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=171.0,174.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Could you tell me—did you grow up in Panama as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=174.0,178.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: No. I came to United States when I was five years old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=178.0,182.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And where did you—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=182.0,183.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Well, I, I, initially lived in the Bronx when I was—how old was I? 11 years old. No, 10 years old. My parents bought a home in Jamaica, New York. And I grew up in that house in Jamaica, New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=183.0,212.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Where was the house in Jamaica?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=212.0,213.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: You want me to give you the address?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=213.0,216.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: I mean, if you could give me—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=216.0,216.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: [unclear] community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=216.0,220.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: The neighborhood or the cross streets would be helpful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=220.0,224.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Inwood Street. I lived on Ferndale Avenue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=224.0,228.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay, cool. And could you describe what it was like growing up in Jamaica, Queens in the fifties and sixties?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=228.0,239.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: It was, it was kinda nice because I moved from an apartment in the Bronx to a house in Queens. So, I had more freedom in terms of, you know—I was only 10 years old—so I had more freedom to be in the neighborhood, to—it was fully integrated at the time. Actually, there were more Whites in the neighborhood at the time that I moved than there were Blacks. And I moved from a community in the Bronx where it was all Black. A few Hispanics, but mostly Black. So it was, you know, kind of a carefree kinda childhood. Did a lot of playing in the school yard, which was a block away. And had friends, White friends and Black friends growing up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=239.0,301.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: What was the name of the school that you used to play in? The school yard? The school, the—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=301.0,306.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: PS 160. It was one block away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=306.0,311.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And could you tell me about your parents?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=311.0,316.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: My parents are both from Barbados. They came here when they were, they came to the United States when they were in their twenties and settled in Harlem. And a lot of their family, well, my mother's side, went to Panama, because there was no work in Barbados, so they were building the Canal. And a lot of 'em went to Panama to work on the Canal and her family moved. My father's family, they stayed in Barbados and he came straight from Barbados here, and she met him here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=316.0,366.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: She met—so your mother met your father in New York?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=366.0,375.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=375.0,379.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And you, and you were born in Panama, or in New York?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=379.0,382.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Yes, I was born in Panama.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=382.0,385.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=385.0,387.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: At the time it was easier if I were in Panama, because my mother had family there to help raise me and the other—my other cousins. And my father stayed in New York because he had a job. And at the time he came, finding jobs were very, very difficult. I think he came—I'm trying to think of when he came here. He—I, I don't remember the year. It was late twenties, early thirties, I guess. So the job that he had wouldn't allow—it wouldn't, it wouldn't provide enough money for my mother to be home taking care of me. So it was decided that Panama would be a good place. And then when they could afford it, I would come up. And that's what happened. When I was five years old, I came to New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=387.0,448.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Cool. And just describe the house that you grew up in, in Jamaica, and the neighborhood itself. You mentioned like, that you have both—there were more Whites than Blacks in the neighborhood. Is there anything else you can tell me about there—the neighborhood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=448.0,475.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: It was a two-family house that we lived in. My father owned the house, but we had tenants upstairs. Most of the, the houses in the area were single-family homes. My house and the house next door—which were newly built when we moved in—happened to have access to two, two families. But most of the homes were single-family. I don't know what I, what I could describe that would differentiate it from any other neighborhood on Long Island or in Queens. But by the time I graduated from high school, the number of White families had decreased noticeably and Blacks—.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=475.0,533.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: What—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=533.0,533.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: —were moving in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=533.0,535.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And, what year did you graduate from high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=535.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: I graduated from John Adams High School in January of 1960.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=540.0,547.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: I too went to John Adams High School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=547.0,548.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Get out! [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=548.0,551.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=551.0,553.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=553.0,554.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Wait, so John Adams on Rockaway Boulevard?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=554.0,557.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=557.0,558.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yes. I went to the same exact school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=558.0,559.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Well I'll be doggone. Small world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=559.0,563.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: [laughs] So you graduated from—well, so, you grew up in Jamaica, but like John Adams High School is in Ozone Park. So what else can you tell me about that section of Southeast Queens? Like, you have Ozone Park, South Ozone Park and then Jamaica. What was it like going to school so far?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=563.0,584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Well I—well there was—the only—we didn't have a choice. You had to go to—if you wanted to go to an academic high school, you had to go to, from where I lived, you had to go to John Adams. If you wanted to go to a vocational school, you'd go to Woodrow Wilson. And I chose an academic school, and that's why I went to John Adams. It wasn't, it wasn't a choice. That was the only school that was available, given my home address.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=584.0,608.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: How would you—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=608.0,608.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: I didn't [unclear]—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=608.0,609.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: —get there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=609.0,609.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: —the bus. Green bus [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=609.0,611.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Oh. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=611.0,615.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: I, I didn't hang out in Ozone Park. I didn't hang out around the school. All I did was go to school and come home. I didn't, I didn't hang out in that area. I came straight to South Ozone Park, which is the area that we were living in. And I would go up to Baisley Park. You know, we'd ride our bikes up there, but mostly we stayed right in the neighborhood. We didn't do too much exploring,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=615.0,647.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And not to get too far off topic but, with Baisley Park, I read that at one point, like the national guard had to protect the park, out of fear that like peop—the—Germany would like, poison the pond.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=647.0,669.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Well, that was after I grew up and left. 'Cause we didn't—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=669.0,673.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=673.0,673.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: —have that problem when I was growing up as a kid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=673.0,676.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Well, well, yeah. I guess it would've happened like, before you came. 'Cause it would've been in the early forties.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=676.0,682.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: [unclear]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=682.0,682.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: But it was a rumor. Yeah. Yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=682.0,683.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: I didn't know anything about it and we, we didn't—we never had any problems going up there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=683.0,689.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=689.0,694.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: By that time, that whole section was turning Black. You know, there wasn't, there wasn't—every year, there were fewer and fewer White family. They were moving further out on the island. So in '51, Baisley Park was like, you know, it was Black [laughs]. Wasn't a lot of White folks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=694.0,716.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And why do you think that was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=716.0,725.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: They were moving out of Harlem. They were moving out of Brooklyn. They were moving out of areas—people were getting their own home. They were moving out of apartments in, in Harlem and in Brooklyn and moving. 'Cause that was considered a way out. 'Cause you had to like, after you got off the train, you had to take a bus to get to your house, you know? So that was considered way out. I know when I left my friends in, in Brook—in the Bronx and Manhattan and they were like, \"Oh boy, I don't know if we'll ever get out to see you. 'Cause it takes so long to get there.\" It was like we were in the woods, as far as they're concerned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=725.0,777.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And I, I guess, could you describe your experience at John Adams High School?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=777.0,785.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: I was an athlete, so I ran, I ran track. I played baseball. I didn't make the basketball team 'cause I was too short. That's what the coach told me anyway. And it was the White kids stayed to themselves and the Black kids stayed to themselves. We didn't really mingle. Most of the interaction I had was were—with baseball players and track athletes that were not Black. All the other interaction I had was with Black students. Kind of, kind of segregated ourselves. 'Cause it was—I don't know. We had no desire to really get close to the White students and they definitely didn't want to get close to us. So we kinda, you know, coexisted","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=785.0,849.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Well, I, I heard from Mr. Jeff that you were actually a really good basketball player. And that when you went to North Carolina, that you played alongside, a Hall of Famer from—that played for the San Francisco Warriors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=849.0,868.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Al Adams?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=868.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=870.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Alex actually was, was gone when I got there. I, I think Al Adams graduated in 1960, and I got there in 1962. But I got a—I, I did go with a basketball scholarship. I, I really wish I was able to get a hold of my high school coach, but I wasn't able to. But I got there on a, on a basketball scholarship, playing in the Rucker tournament, the Rucker basketball tournament. My, my, college coach had come to see another player, and saw me. And then as a result, Offered me the scholarship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=870.0,918.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: So when you were in high school, what was your—was your motivation always to go to college or to play sports?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=918.0,928.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: No. My motivation was to go to college. I was on the academic, I was on the academic program—I mean, diploma is what I wanted. I didn't want a general diploma. I wanted an academic, 'cause I think—I didn't know this at the time, but in New York state, if you wanted to go to college, you had to have an academic high school diploma. Out—if I wanted to go outta state, they didn't care about academic or general. They just wanted you to graduate. So I was on the academic program because I wanted to go to college. That was my goal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=928.0,971.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And what was your, your family's attitude towards this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=971.0,977.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: My family's attitude was, yeah, they, they encouraged it. But they, they really couldn't do a whole lot to help me with it because they, financially, they just couldn't afford it. So, actually at the time, even though I graduated in '60, I didn't get to A\u0026T till till '62. I was going to night school because I could go to Queens College, which is where I was going, taking classes. But my goal still to get a, you know, a bachelor's degree and I just had to go at night 'cause I had to work, and my parents couldn't afford to send me away anyway. And the scholarship showed up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=977.0,1028.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: So you were taking night classes, while going to John Adams? Or did this happen afterwards?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1028.0,1034.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: No, afterwards, while I was working. I had a job. I had graduated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1034.0,1039.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1039.0,1040.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: I had graduated high school, and while I was working—I think I was working First National City Bank—I was taking, night courses. I knew I didn't wanna be a banker. So I was taking night, night courses because I wanted to be a teacher. I wanted to be a gym teacher. Physical education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1040.0,1066.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And when you started taking the night classes at Queens College, what was your first impressions of the school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1066.0,1075.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: It was, it was college. I, I was there for my class and I was gone. I wasn't involved in any activities. I wasn't a part of anything. SEEK program didn't exist yet. So I would just take my classes and go home. I didn't, I didn't really hang out. And everybody, every class I went to, I was the only Black person in the room, so—It was Queens College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1075.0,1107.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: So, once you received the scholarship, tell me what was your experience of moving to North Carolina and going to school and playing sports?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1107.0,1116.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Oh, that was, that was great. That was the best four years of my life. [laughs] Most enjoyable. I mean, I can't say it's the best, but most enjoyable. I, I initially kinda hesitated about going to North Carolina because, as you know, segregation was in full force and I was—I could just picture myself sitting in the back of the bus in North Carolina and being called nigger and all that. And I, I wasn't nearly too, too enthused about it. But my, my parents, they said at the time, you know, this, this is an opportunity and you just, you need to take advantage of it cause we're not gonna be able to afford you to, to, to send you to school. So if you really want to get a college degree, here's an opportunity and it won't cost you a penny. So after we had a couple of discussions, and then there was a social worker that used to be in the schoolyard at the time. Back then, social workers used to kinda like, mingle with the population. This was a Black social worker and he was—and, and he, oddly enough had, had graduated from A\u0026T. And I had just mentioned to him, you know, I got a scholarship offer, and I don't know about going south. And he—so he said \"A\u0026T? Oh, that's where I went to school. Yeah, you should go.\" And he encouraged me to go and, and it was really because of him that I decided, okay, I'll accept the scholarship and I'll go. And you know, and I asked him, \"You know, don't, they take advantage of Black people down there, and—\" 'cause I didn't know anything about the south other than it was a farm as far as I knew. Everything that they ever showed in the south showed a farm. They never showed a city. They always showed a farm. So he said, \"Oh no, it's, it's a city, and you'll be on campus and you don't have to deal with all that segregation and all that stuff. And you'll be fine.\" So based on, on his recommendation, really, and the urging of my parents, I, I accepted the scholarship and went to A\u0026T.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1116.0,1269.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And tell me about A\u0026T. What was it like being there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1269.0,1274.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Oh, that was great. I didn't know there were so many smart Black people. You know, but I didn't really see myself as smart. I mean, I mean, I mean, I thought I was—I guess I thought I was smart. I, I didn't think I was intelligent. But to be around Black faculty, I, I mean, I didn't have any Black teachers growing up. All my teachers were White. And to have a Black, Black instructor was, was great. And to have all these, these great minds, these girls and boys. I mean just smart, smart people. I just never thought it existed. 'Cause, when I was growing up, coming up in New York, I was always in the, the smarter—I was with the smarter kid. I was grouped with the smarter children. That's how they used to group us, by what they feel your, your abilities were. And when I got to A\u0026T and I found that these, these kids were, were like physics majors and business majors and, and you know, not a lot of people were really going for teaching. They were, they were in all fields. It was great. The social life was great. The activities on the campus were, were great. And there were other campuses that we would go to in different cities. Winston Salem, Durham, Charlotte, all Black campuses. It was great. I, I really enjoyed Greensboro.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1274.0,1375.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: What were you studying at the time? At A\u0026T?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1375.0,1379.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Physical education. I was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1379.0,1382.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Oh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1382.0,1382.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: —going to be a gym teacher [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1382.0,1383.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. So you were still following that. Great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1383.0,1385.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Oh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1385.0,1389.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: So yeah, so you're in school and I guess—like once you get your degree at North Carolina, what happens afterwards?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1389.0,1400.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: I taught for a year in Virginia, a place called Gretna. It's outside of Danville, Virginia. And, couldn't get along with the principal because I had an afro and he didn't approve, or he didn't think I should have an afro. He wanted me to have my hair cut close. And I was coaching the—I was assistant coach on the basketball team, and I was the head track coach, so I was supposed to get an extra stipend for that. And he only gave me a stipend that equals being associated or coaching one sport. And he wouldn't give me the money for coaching two sports. And I said, \"Well, I'm not gonna work for free. So, if you, if you're not going to increase my pay, as you should, then I'm—I, I'll just leave.\" And that's what I did. I just stayed there one year and I, I think he was happy 'cause he saw me as a rebel cause I wore an afro. No other reason. And this was a Black principal by the way [laughs]. And, and I went back to New York. And in New York, every summer I used to work at the YMCA as a counselor. And, the, the youth director at the YMCA—who was in charge of the summer program—was leaving. And I interviewed for his job, and I got it. So I worked—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1400.0,1497.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Where was this? YMCA?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1497.0,1499.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: In Jamaica. Downtown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1499.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Oh—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1500.0,1501.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Off—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1501.0,1501.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: — yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1501.0,1502.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: —off, off Jamaica Avenue. I forgot the name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1502.0,1505.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: [unclear] cross street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1505.0,1505.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: By there you go. Parsons. So, I, I worked there as the youth director for one year, I think it was. And then, a coworker or another guy, a guy I grew up with—went to high school together, lived around a couple streets down from me—he was working at the YMCA in New York City. And he had interviewed for the SEEK program. And he said, \"You might wanna check that out.\" 'Cause, he, he told me that it was paying more than the Y, and that it was counseling young people who didn't really, or weren't really equipped to succeed in college. And the SEEK program kinda bridged the gap because between the high school and college so that they could graduate, you know? Get their credits and, and graduate. So after a year at the Y, I went to the SEEK program. I think that was in '67, or '68. I can't remember what year it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1505.0,1591.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. It may be '60. I mean, were you at SEEK for like about three years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1591.0,1601.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: No, I was at SEEK for one year. No SEEK? Oh, no. SEEK, I was there from, let me see, wait a minute. I must have been at SEEK from 60, from '68 to—or, was it '67? I—maybe it was '68 to '72. I can't remember it was '68 or '67. Let me see. 60, six—it must have been '68. From '68 to '72 I was at SEEK. I took one years absence, which officially—I mean, I was still on the books until '73. But I was gone. I had a—I had taken a leave In '73. I think it was. Right. But after the leave was over, I didn't go back. I was, I was done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1601.0,1657.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. So, you take the job after one year at YMCA with SEEK and who were some of the first people that you were meeting at SEEK?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1657.0,1681.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Oh God, I can't remember all those people. Charlie Lloyd. What's Sandy, Sandy. I can't remember Sandy's last name. I, I, I can't remember name. Waldo Jeff. He was the director. Harry Bryans, Bill Modest. Nick Towns, [unclear]. Gee, I can't remember. I, I can't remember all the people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1681.0,1703.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: All right. So—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1703.0,1712.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1712.0,1713.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Said you—I guess describe your initial—some of the initial work that you were doing—a part of SEEK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1713.0,1723.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Okay. I was counseling students. Trying to help them to adjust from high school to college. Helping them in, in terms of the transition that they had to take, and helping them. Making sure that they were getting the, the tutoring that they needed, if that's what they needed. Sometimes helping with housing or dealing with situations in the home or, or having kids, become independent. Working on how to do a budget and how to stay on a budget and just support for the students, academically as, as well as socially. Boys are—men and women. 'Cause most of these were fresh outta high school students that I had. And dealing with the political climate of the times, which, was—Queens College was not welcoming all these Black faces at the time. So some of the teachers were not very helpful or congenial towards the Black students. There was some teachers that did reach out, but they were a distinct minority. And just help them adjust to life after high school and life at Queens College. It was—while I was—during that time, I got my master's degree at Queens College in counseling because I wanted to be a better, better person. A better educated person in the field of counseling. And I liked counseling. I actually liked counseling better than I did physical education. Didn't think I would do that. I thought I would always like physical education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1723.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: What—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1860.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Counseling was, counseling was much more rewarding to me, and I could actually see, the, the results of my work. You know what I mean? I could see when, when a kid first came in. So, they were out of SEEK courses that the development and the changes that they, they, they showed, in their development.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1860.0,1894.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Could you tell me—do you remember any of the students that you had the opportunity to work with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1894.0,1900.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Any of my students?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1900.0,1901.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1901.0,1902.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: No, I, I couldn't. I couldn't. I—no, I don't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1902.0,1905.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1905.0,1906.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Nobody sticks out. Oh, well Lenny, Lenny, Lenny Patterson. He was nice. That's probably the only one I could think of. Lenny Patterson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1906.0,1919.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Lenny","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1919.0,1921.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Patterson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1921.0,1922.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Lenny Harrison. Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1922.0,1924.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Patter—no. P, P, P as in Peter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1924.0,1926.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Oh. Lenny Patterson. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1926.0,1929.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Right. I think he's passed, actually. Somebody told me he passed. I don't know why.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1929.0,1939.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And you also mentioned the, the political climate at Queens College at the time. Could you expand a little more on that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1939.0,1953.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Well, at the time, the attitude that we got from, from, from the faculty was that the Black students weren't equipped to do college work. So there was a lot of passive aggressive kind of resistance from the staff, having them in their class. And the students were well aware of it. They, they felt the pressure, or they felt ostracized in many different ways. They would go for help or they would make appointments, and when they got there the teach—you know, the instructor wasn't there, or the instructor would, would come and, and after 10 or 15 minutes, they, they had another appointment or whatever. So it made it really difficult for the kids to get the extra help that they needed or, or seek. Many of the faculty that I ran into, didn't see the SEEK staff as college professors or, or people who were equal in rank or, or in education, and looked down on the SEEK staff. They just weren't very cooperative at all. And, and many times when you would go to speak with an instructor on behalf of the student, they would always, almost every time, they would come up with, \"Well, he just isn't equipped,\" or \"She doesn't have the background that's needed in order to succeed in this class,\" or \"I'm going as slow as I can. And I can't accommodate anymore.\" I mean, they just weren't very cooperative. Now, there were a few, few teachers, and we kind of made note of that to make sure that our students—if they were in that area of study—got, got those teachers that were very sympathetic and very understanding and very open. But they were a distinct minority and there were not a lot of cooperation from the \"general\" staff of, of professors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=1953.0,2106.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: So—and, you were around what was considered the SEEK rebellion that happened in '69?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2106.0,2113.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Yep. You know, I don't even remember much of that. I mean, I know that we became very vocal and very—we got outta our offices and we got out on the campus so that people knew that we weren't happy with the way our students were being treated and that, they weren't aware—the administration wasn't aware that, there was a, a two-class system between the regular students and the SEEK students, and the SEEK students were being deprived of a meaningful right in terms of the education. They just weren't it, it—and as I said before, there were, you know, a small number of White professors who were sympathetic, but they were a very small number and they weren't very vocal. And I could understand that too, 'cause I'm sure their job, unless they had tenure, their jobs might have been in, in danger if they were, were too vocal. But I don't, I don't remember a lot of that other than, you know, we had a lot of meetings, and that we would go to various administrators' offices, to try to have a, a dialogue. And for the most part we were stopped at the door. And—but we did have some success. Waldo Jeff was very effective in, in that area. And he was able to get a, get a couple of meetings with the administration. But as a whole, it, it was an uphill battle that, that—people, the White staff and the attitude that we got from, you know, \"you should be grateful and thankful that we have you here. So don't, don't make any more ways.\" Kind—that was the attitude.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2113.0,2264.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. So—and—so, the rebellion happens around 1969, you were making all these demands, and then what happens afterwards?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2264.0,2274.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Nothing happened. Nothing—there was not a lot of change after that. I mean, there were some changes that were made. But, overall, you know, the, the students were still having difficult time in the, in, in—there were a couple of teachers that were just ridiculous, that, that the administration really didn't do anything about them. I think what they tried to do with the—schedule the SEEK kids in other professors' classes, rather than the ones who were blatantly, anti-SEEK, to try to tone it down. Administration was talking out of both sides of their mouth when they were doing this. 'Cause they would tell us one thing and then go back and tell the, the faculty something else, contrary to what they told us. So it was, it was a time when we didn't feel that we were getting the support that we needed from the administration in order to help these students get the education that, that they had a right to get.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2274.0,2355.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Could you provide any other examples of teachers being like incredibly difficult as you mentioned with the students?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2355.0,2363.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Well, sometimes there were times when, you know, a student would say, well, like \"I did this\", or \"I tried this\" and \"I tried to do this.\" So I said, \"Okay, why don't, why don't we, you and I, go and talk to the teacher.\" And, and when we finally did get to, to speak to the teacher, the teacher would come across as though it was the student's fault that things weren't working out right. Rather than the teacher who wasn't listening or who really didn't care, wasn't giving the support that was needed. And so we, as a staff, tried not to have confrontations with the teachers because we felt that if we as a staff had a confrontation with the, with the teachers, they would take it out on the student. And, and they take it out on the student by giving them extra work to do, or giving them a C on a A paper kinda thing. So we were, we were kind of tiptoeing through the tulips when we went to meet with staff, trying to bend over backward so as not to offend them so they would actually help, help the students. And then we had teachers that we knew that regardless of what we did, they weren't gonna change their stance. So, we, we tried to, you know, let the administration know about this. And we tried to, whenever possible, avoid having kids register for, for classes with those particular teachers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2363.0,2472.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And, tell me about the student—well, the students in the sense of—from what I can gather with reading about SEEK, there was like a lot of student involvement in the programming. Do you think that was, that's parallel to your experience while working at SEEK?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2472.0,2494.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Well, that's something that probably happened after I left. Like I, i left in '72. Was I there in '72? I'm trying to think if I had—no, I actually left in '71 because I, I put the leave in '72. So we hadn't gotten to that point when I, when I left, where they were involved in, in—what does it say the programming of it for the students? Or what, what programming are you referring to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2494.0,2522.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Like, just, I, I, didn't—not programming but participation. So like, in some of the documents, you know, it's like you had a lot of these boards, or groups, and like students also helped make the seasons like, that affected the SEEK program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2522.0,2541.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: I, I really can't address that because I, I, I don't remember us having a particular portal for student involvement in that way. You know, you mean in terms of, of developing what courses they should take or—how do you mean that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2541.0,2581.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Like, I guess in the sense that like, SEEK students would put forward like, these things that they would like to see in the, the program. So like—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2581.0,2601.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2601.0,2601.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: —like asking for certain types of courses or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2601.0,2606.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2606.0,2607.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2607.0,2608.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Well, in the brief time that I was there, that, that wasn't an issue per se. So I'm not really familiar with that. That, that probably happened when I, when I had gone. 'Cause I, I was there from what? '68 to '71? I was there three years, four years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2608.0,2632.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2632.0,2633.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: That wasn't an issue. I don't remember it anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2633.0,2637.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. And, I guess, could you describe like the campus and—you guys mentioned that there was this hostility, and I know that the first few years of SEEK, they didn't even have a permanent building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2637.0,2655.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Right. Well, I wasn't there when SEEK began. I got there after SEEK—SEEK was already in existence when I got there. And we were, we were in, in—there was a line of attached houses that the college had bought, I think, and our offices were in that. So we were not actually on the campus. We, we were, I mean, we were steps away. We weren't a long way. I mean, we were less than a hundred yards away, but we were not on the campus. We were in these attached houses, right next to the highway there. Right—when I—in my office, I looked out the window and there was the Long Island Expressway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2655.0,2703.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Oh. Over onto like by where the, where we—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2703.0,2712.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: So we weren't on the campus, per se. And if you weren't a SEEK student, you wouldn't even know that we, we had offices. 'Cause it wasn't in the mainstream of the campus. It was no—you could walk the whole campus and never see anything that said SEEK is here. And even in our building where we were, there was no sign outside that said SEEK offices or anything that said SEEK. It was just, if you rode by, you would think it was somebody's house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2712.0,2747.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Wow. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2747.0,2749.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: And I don't know how many offices we had. I think, I think it was 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, maybe six buildings. And you had maybe three or four counselors in each building, kinda like that. We would, have our faculty meeting once a week. I don't remember what day it was. And we would go to the center, the, the, the, building where Waldo Jeff—who was the, the director at the time—where his office was located, and we'd all meet in that building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2749.0,2796.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And you also had, speaking of directors, you had, like, the director of SEEK. The first one was Mo Holland and, eventually there's a transition to Delaney and then Bill Sales. What do you remember about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2796.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: I remember Bill Sales, 'cause he was the one that, that was, in charge. I'm trying to remember if he was in charge when I got there or the year after I got there. I think he must have been the year after I got there. I didn't know the other two. But Bill Sales was in the constant attack [laughs]. Seemed like he was always going to a meeting to defend. And he, he tried to get us, tried to get the, the, the recognition for the SEEK students and not, we were the special program that the city had to have us there. And there a lot of people in there that didn't get along there. He was trying to get credibility for the program all the time. That's all he did. And budget. He used to fight with the budget a lot. But he was very supportive of the staff. And he tried to get some administrative changes. I think that somehow let's see—I kind of left at the time that when this stuff was starting to grow up. Trying to get more recognition for the staff so that we weren't put in this in this corner of SEEK staff, which is different than the staff of the college, even though we were working for the college. And we were working for, for the students. And if somebody—and if a student came in to our offices, seeking information or anything, we, we didn't ask, are you a SEEK student? We would give them whatever information they they needed or, or would, would help 'em. That didn't happen often, but it did happen. But we were always second class citizens on that campus. And Bill Sales spent much of his time trying to get us to be considered full staff members and not SEEK staff members. You know, we were different. So h,is, his, his job was twofold. Politically, it was a constant fight. And then financially, trying to make sure that we were getting the finances we need in order for the program to succeed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2820.0,2989.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. And then, you have open admissions where like, some people have said that open admissions heavily affected what the SEEK program was trying to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=2989.0,3006.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: You mean at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3006.0,3009.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3009.0,3011.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: You know, I don't even remember that fight. I mean, I remember that there was a fight, but I don't remember the details of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3011.0,3022.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3022.0,3022.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: You're testing, a whole member here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3022.0,3031.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3031.0,3033.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: And—I don't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3033.0,3034.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Well, okay. So, you're at SEEK, you're working with the students. There is like a lot of tension. There is the rebellion. What happened after—I guess I—could you describe your last year working there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3034.0,3058.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Yeah. My last year was like the beginning of the rebellion. So in terms of what, what finally happened, I lost track of, because I was up in Boston, and I wasn't aware of, you know, the day to day happening of what was going on, and whether or not the program was going to even survive, but I didn't, I didn't have any sense of that. We were just, at that time, trying to get some recognition. When I left, was trying to get some recognition for our staff and, and some acknowledgement that our students were capable of doing the work. And so that, that professors and administration would stop treating us as third class citizens or people who didn't belong there. Or there were—we were only there because somebody else made a decision. And they was bringing—we were bringing down their, their school in some way. That was the biggest issue that I had. But we, we were—we spent so much time trying to help the kids survive that, I don't know. I, I, my, my head was always down on the ground and keeping track of the students that I had in my caseload and keeping them in school. 'Cause a lot of them were discouraged and didn't wanna stay and felt that they weren't wanted, or they weren't worthy. And so a lot of times it was just trying to help people to, to weather that storm and, and to be open enough to succeed. It was—that, that was the biggest—I mean the political, yeah. The political issue never really died, but people like Waldo Jeff took that on much more so than myself who was a counselor and was much more involved with trying to get the students to succeed. We weren't trying to get them to like the place, just to use the place to get to where they wanted to go. So it was a different, different struggle, I think. And I was more interested in, in, in their wellbeing, you know, they didn't get discouraged. Didn't quit. Didn't feel it was a waste of time, as many would say, and keep their morale up, which was not easy at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3058.0,3241.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah. And I mean, one of the things that Mr. Waldo Jeff mentioned that he noticed the difference in student experiences, considering that he came from New Orleans and like, went from an intentionally segregated space to like, what was New York. With your experience, going to school in Queens, how do you feel like that helps you relate to the students?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3241.0,3273.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Oh, 'cause I, I could—I, I knew exactly how they felt. When I was going to John Adams, teachers didn't care. Matter of fact [laughs], one of my largest regrets is that I never did find out the name of a counselor that told me that, \"You know, you don't—you're not that smart. And I think you should take up a vocation, you know, like be a plumber or a carpenter or something. 'Cause you're not that intelligent.\" I, I—the day I got my, my PhD, I was, I was like, \"Where is this woman? [laughs] I would like to see her right now.\" So it was same thing as John, Adams. They didn't really care about the Black students. They were concerned about the White students and they were putting up with the Black students 'cause we, you know, we had to be there. Not that they wanted us there, we had to be there. But, no counselor ever called me to, to the office. They called my friends in when they got in trouble for misbehaving or smoking or something like that. But nobody ever talked to me about out college or, well, what she said, \"well, you, you're not smart enough to go to college. You should pick up a trade.\" Which was more than insulting. But—and it was the same thing as Queens College. So, you know, it's like, you don't belong here and it's only 'cause they got this program that, that you're here, but you don't really belong here. So why don't you find yourself a job in the grocery store and you know, stuff groceries in the bag and be happy. So yeah, that—it, it allowed me to really, connect and understand where, where the kids were coming from when they complained about the way they were treated by the teachers. The Whites—you know, there wasn't no Blacks there other than SEEK staff. So they definitely did not feel welcomed or wanted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3273.0,3425.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And, when—so we were talking about your last year at SEEK. What led you to pursue a PhD?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3425.0,3435.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Oh, I got a fellowship [laughs]. There was a program that was attached to the SEEK program. It was funding that was attached and there were these guys who would come from Washington, DC to look at the program and determine if we should continue to be funded. And, and one of the guys, Pat—what was Pat's last name? Pat McCarthy? I think it was Pat McCarthy. He, you know, he, he spoke to the staff and different people and then, after the, the day was over, myself and, and a couple other, other staff, people went with him and, and another person from DC who went out to dinner. And while we were talking at dinner, he was like, well, I guess I gotta go find a hotel. And I said, well, you can stay at my house. I said, you know, my, my, I'm the only one there right now and there's an extra bedroom. So, he did. He was grateful. And then he called me—I think it was maybe two weeks later—and said, \"Have you thought about getting your PhD?\" And I said, no, I just got my master's [laughs]. I wasn't thinking about PhD. He says, \"Well, I'm leaving this job, and I'm going up to Boston University. And, I, I think you'd be an excellent candidate to be in this program that I'm going to, and I would like to have you, you apply for the scholarship. It was just a formality that you apply. I want you there. And since I'm gonna be on staff and there was another guy that, that came down, said he'd be on staff. I think you'd be an excellent candidate for this program.\" And I said, \"Okay, well, what's the cost?\" He said, \"There's no cost to you at all. In fact, we will pay for your tuition and we will give you a stipend every month so that you can have an apartment and not have to worry about working.\" And I said, \"Well, I think I'll take this [laughs].\" And that's how I decided to leave SEEK and go get my doctorate. 'Cause my intention was to leave SEEK, get my doctorate and come back. Didn't work out that way but that was my intention when I said, \"Yes, I'll go to Boston.\" That's why I took a leave. 'Cause I was gonna come back and, continue working at SEEK. But, plans changed, things changed and I never got back, but that's—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3435.0,3618.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And what—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3618.0,3618.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: —how—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3618.0,3618.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: —what did you get your doctorate in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3618.0,3621.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Counseling psychology.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3621.0,3622.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. And was any of this inspired by the—I mean, a lot of this inspired by the work at SEEK, and I think a lot of the counselors did have a psychological background.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3622.0,3637.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Yep. They did. Well, I think we started looking for that in, in hiring new people. 'Cause we felt that that was, that was something that was needed. So initially, I think when they were hiring staff, they were, they were looking for people of color. But then it kind of switches, you know, we need some expertise to help people deal with the psychological piece of going to school here. And so they started looking for people who had that. And then while I was—actually, I came in, I came into the SEEK program with a bachelor's degree in physical education. While I was at Queens, Queens offered—they had a program to get your master's in, in, counseling. And again, I didn't have to pay because I was on staff. So if you're on staff and you're taking courses at Queens College, you didn't have to pay any tuition. So I got my master's at Queens College and then after—and then, and at that time I thought, \"Well, okay, this is all I need. I have my master's now. So I can stay on the college level.\" But when Pat McCarthy, you know, offered me the fellowship to go to Boston University—which is a pretty prestigious school—I said, \"I think I'll, I think I'll jump on this boat and get my degree and then I'll come back.\" That was my initial plan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3637.0,3742.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Sweet. And, what was, what was your experience like going to Boston?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3742.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Oh, it was great. I was in a—there was a special program they had for—that Pat McCarthy was a part of, for—I don't know what he had to do with him anyway—that I learned a lot about psychology and a lot about counseling and how I can help people. And, and I, and I got into it, you know, I got into the illnesses that people have and medications and treatment plans and all that, all the stuff that you learned in becoming a doctor. And it was a good experience. I, you know, I didn't feel any of the racism and stuff that I felt In New York because this was a special program. There was a special staff, and there were a few Black people in the program. It just wasn't me, which was a nice revelation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3750.0,3816.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Great. Going back a little bit, Mr. Jeff mentioned that like, the creation of a, a daycare center, were you arou—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3816.0,3829.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Oh yes. Yes. They—yeah. They, they, they—yeah, they took over a building, down the street from where our offices were and they turned it into a daycare center so that young mothers could go to school. That was, that was, that was a great program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3829.0,3857.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Do you remember any of your students taking advantage of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3857.0,3861.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Oh yeah. Yeah. There were quite a few students who, without it, would not have been able to go to school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3861.0,3866.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3866.0,3871.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3871.0,3871.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Keep going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3871.0,3873.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: No, I wasn't directly involved with that. I was just aware of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3873.0,3879.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3879.0,3889.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Waldo Jeff was really the architect for that one. Yeah. He, he, he did all the, of the ground work and he did the—he did, he did everything to get it going and to keep it going, actually. Yeah, I credit him for that. Great move. They had some pretty special people in the SEEK program, I'll tell you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3889.0,3916.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah. You had, you had people like Jessica Harris.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3916.0,3919.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Yep.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3919.0,3920.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Did you know her—on what level did you know her?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3920.0,3928.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: I just knew of her. Jessica Harris. I don't know. I, I don't remember her being there when I was there. But then, you know, she might have been, but I don't, I don't, no, I don't think so. I don't think she was there when I was there. I think she came after me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3928.0,3944.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: You also have people like Nikki Giovanni.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3944.0,3950.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: What about Nikki?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3950.0,3951.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: No, like that she, she was a tutor at, at Queens College for some time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3951.0,3958.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Honestly, I don't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3958.0,3967.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3967.0,3969.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: I don't remember. I don't know when she was there. That's not to say that she wasn't there. I just don't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3969.0,3975.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3975.0,3977.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: It's been a long time. 40 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3977.0,3987.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3987.0,3987.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3987.0,3988.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah. I—are there any experiences that I didn't ask about that you wanted to share?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3988.0,3996.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Yeah, I think that the, the SEEK staff, how they got along with each other was exceptional. You know, there was no back biting. There was no trying to get ahead of this person or that person and no jealousy. People, people got along and, and, and people weren't afraid to ask each other for help, but the situation presented itself and people were very open to it. It was just—I, I never worked with a group of people like I—like the people in that SEEK program when I was there. You know, everybody was pulling for everybody else and everybody depended—depended on, on others. And they, and they were just wonderful with the students. I mean, they just—it was just wonderful. Black and White staff. They were just wonderful in terms of helping the students succeed. And being available for students. I mean, I, I don't remember anybody ever going home early. I don't remember anybody ever saying no when they asked to do something extra. And people, people were really dedicated and their desire to see these students succeed. Never been around that many people in any staff I've been on that were like the group I was with at Queens College. Exceptional.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=3996.0,4107.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: All right. Great. Yeah. Dr. Clark, thank you so much for your time. I'm going to hang up and just call you back so we can stop this recording.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=4107.0,4127.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=4127.0,4128.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=4128.0,4129.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193/transcript/41625/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Keith Clark: All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/85958/file/174193#t=4129.0,4132.2055"}]}]}]}