{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/xd0qr4q71k/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Esthi Zipori Oral History"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/010/original/Aviary_QPLlogo_192x192.png?1578574261","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSummary of Full Interview:\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eEsthi Zipori is a doctoral student pursuing a PhD in urban systems and researching the future of urban streets. Zipori is also a resident and street vendor in Jackson Heights; in September 2020 she and her husband Mark Blinder founded Sandwich Therapy, which sells Georgian, Israeli, Middle Eastern, and Mediterranean food on the 34th Avenue open street in front of Travers Park.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIn part 1 of the interview, Zipori talks about her experience growing up in Israel, including her early interests in medicine, attending art school in Tel Aviv, and her mandatory military service when she was 18 years old. Zipori discusses how she met Mark in Israel and their decision to move to the United States in 2009, specifically to Newark, New Jersey where Zipori studied architecture at the New Jersey Institute of Technology. Zipori recalls the challenges she experienced acclimating to life in the United States, living in Newark without a car for two years, and later maintaining a car as a car owner. Zipori moved to Brooklyn circa 2015 (at which point she decided to sell her car) and to Jackson Heights circa 2016. Zipori explains her love of the Jackson Heights neighborhood, particularly its diverse population and the 34th Avenue open street. Zipori examines the historical development of streets since the 1900s and the privileging of cars in the design of urban space since World War II. Zipori speaks about the possible future of streets, including autonomous vehicles and car-free streets, and her efforts to encourage students to imagine new possibilities for the future of urban space. Zipori concludes by describing how she and Mark started Sandwich Therapy and how their business has evolved in the 10 months that they have been operating.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIn part 2 of the interview, Zipori recalls her experiences in lockdown during the COVID-19 pandemic such as spending more time with Mark, defending her dissertation proposal online, and teaching online. Zipori reflects on how the pandemic has not led to large-scale societal change, particularly addressing climate change. Zipori discusses the logistics of running Sandwich Therapy; she details her hours of operation vending on 34th Avenue, how she stays warm on cold and windy winter days, and her interactions with customers and friends. Zipori identifies changes that she would like to see on the 34th Avenue open street: removal of street parking, micro-commercial spaces, public restrooms, and more children's play space on non-asphalt surfaces. Zipori reflects on the possibilities of redesigning 34th Avenue as a park or a semi-transit corridor, particularly the need for bike lanes protected by physical barriers, and the possibility of losing the 34th Avenue open street altogether if Mayor Eric Adams stops supporting it. Zipori describes the behaviors and interactions she witnesses on the 34th Avenue open street among pedestrians, bicyclists, and drivers. Zipori also comments on the roles that city officials and local communities should play in establishing and designing urban space. 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Zipori is also a resident and street vendor in Jackson Heights; in September 2020 she and her husband Mark Blinder founded Sandwich Therapy, which sells Georgian, Israeli, Middle Eastern, and Mediterranean food on the 34th Avenue open street in front of Travers Park.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIn part 1 of the interview, Zipori talks about her experience growing up in Israel, including her early interests in medicine, attending art school in Tel Aviv, and her mandatory military service when she was 18 years old. Zipori discusses how she met Mark in Israel and their decision to move to the United States in 2009, specifically to Newark, New Jersey where Zipori studied architecture at the New Jersey Institute of Technology. Zipori recalls the challenges she experienced acclimating to life in the United States, living in Newark without a car for two years, and later maintaining a car as a car owner. Zipori moved to Brooklyn circa 2015 (at which point she decided to sell her car) and to Jackson Heights circa 2016. Zipori explains her love of the Jackson Heights neighborhood, particularly its diverse population and the 34th Avenue open street. Zipori examines the historical development of streets since the 1900s and the privileging of cars in the design of urban space since World War II. Zipori speaks about the possible future of streets, including autonomous vehicles and car-free streets, and her efforts to encourage students to imagine new possibilities for the future of urban space. 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Zipori reflects on the possibilities of redesigning 34th Avenue as a park or a semi-transit corridor, particularly the need for bike lanes protected by physical barriers, and the possibility of losing the 34th Avenue open street altogether if Mayor Eric Adams stops supporting it. Zipori describes the behaviors and interactions she witnesses on the 34th Avenue open street among pedestrians, bicyclists, and drivers. Zipori also comments on the roles that city officials and local communities should play in establishing and designing urban space. 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It is 6:35 PM. This interview is for the 34th Avenue Open Street Oral History project, and it will be archived with Queens Memory. So Esthi, thank you so much for doing the interview. Could you start by just telling me your name and where and when you were born and a little bit about your childhood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=0.0,33.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah, of course. So, I was born Esther Zipori, but I go by Esthi, cause I always felt like it sounded really old. So I'm keeping Esther for when and if I'm a grandmother. I was born in Hanover, Germany. My mom and my dad worked temporarily there, and my dad was studying to be a veterinarian. And then when I was about five, we moved back to Israel, which is where I grew up. [I] grew up in, like, a pretty nice middle-class community in the middle of Israel. My dad's a veterinarian. He had his own kind of little vet shop in the basement of our house. There were cats and dogs. For many years he worked as the municipality veterinarian for a city called Herzliya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=33.0,98.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: When I was around 15, I didn't love the middle school I was in. I didn't really relate to the community I was in. So my parents were really big supporters, and they helped me get into an art school in Tel Aviv, a school that was part of—it had, I think, has or had a collaboration with an arts museum in Tel Aviv. So high school was a totally different experience, like I commuted by train to Tel Aviv, held a bunch of weird jobs. I used to clean firehouses, deliver a weekend paper. I worked in a candy store. I worked giving flyers dressed as a fairy for a magic store for awhile. Yeah, I did some weird stuff [laughs]. And Israel, we have a mandatory military service. So, I did that when I was 18. And I guess, yeah, that was mostly my topic. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=98.0,185.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: That's cool that your dad was a vet when you grew up, with a lot of animals. Because I loved animals as a kid, and I think most kids do. What was it like having so many animals, like in your own basement, that your dad was working with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=185.0,206.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah, it was really fascinating. I used to help him quite a lot. When I was 11, I got really into The X-Files [TV show]. I was helping my dad and I was actually helping him with the surgeries. So by the time I was like 16, I was kind of thinking about medicine. But that fell through, I think for many other reasons. I just recently discovered how much Dana Scully [character on The X-Files] and Gillian Anderson [actress who played Dana Scully], they really influenced my choices as a teenager. And when I was a teenager, I didn't necessarily realize that I was kind of looking up to her so much. But it was amazing. We had so many cats. My parents still do, they have like seven cats. And we've always had a dog at some point, maybe even two. I think one of the hardest things in adult life has been not having a pet, because it's become such a big family member. Yeah, I loved it. I loved it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=206.0,286.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: You said that Dana Scully really influenced you. How so?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=286.0,292.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Well, I spent most of my teenage years wanting to be a pathologist. I was like, \"I'm going to go study medicine,\" but I always saw myself as kind of a geek, you know, a social outcast. I wasn't a fan of humans in general. So I was like, \"I don't want to deal with people. I'll just deal with bodies.\" And so in Israel, in high school, we have this program where you have to do a year of volunteering with different organizations, and you can choose which organization you volunteer with. And I ended up volunteering with the EMT [Emergency Medical Technician]. We have like a national EMT. It's a voluntary [unclear] Red Cross [unclear]. So, I did that for a bit and I rode on an EMT for like a year and really did medical stuff, and even went and took a summer long medical course. And I actually got to see dead bodies at 16 and be in a morgue and see what it might be like. But at one moment I think--I had epilepsy as a kid. Not very severe, but I had it, and we had a medical case where we picked up someone after a very severe epilepsy event. And I think something in there clicked for me and I could never separate anymore the human from the medical condition, which I could do in the past, but then I couldn't could do it anymore. And I kind of moved on to other things in life. Still believe in aliens, though. [Bridget laughs] Just a little bit. Hoping more than believing, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=292.0,428.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: You mentioned already, and we've only talked about your teenage years and you had already done so many things, like assisting your dad as a vet. All of the jobs you had, I guess those were part-time jobs while you were a full-time student?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=428.0,449.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=449.0,449.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And then the experience working with EMTs and in morgues. So, were you pretty sure that that was the path you wanted to go down until that day when you picked up the person who had had an epileptic fit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=449.0,463.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I don't know if it was, like, very clear, but it was kind of the general path I was thinking of. You know, something that, as I grow older and reflect on certain things, I always find it surprising how clearly some people can recall the past and how they felt in that moment. And I don't necessarily have that. I have more of kind of a reflection of how I feel about that moment today. But most of the times, I can't really remember how it was at the moment. Was it really the one thing I thought I was going to do? I don't know. But I cared about it enough to really invest a lot of time in it and explore it and, you know, after school and all the other stuff [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=463.0,523.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And then you also went to art school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=523.0,525.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=525.0,526.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Could you tell me more about that, and your artistic practice?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=526.0,528.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. I mean, that was amazing. And I'm so happy that, and I'm thankful that my parents supported me and that I was able to even do that. They had a really great program and they introduced us to computer [unclear] digital modeling and how to develop your own film. But then there was also a lot of aspects of paintings and doing models. Every year they had exhibits and all sorts of stuff. But then in the final year you have your own, like, your one big thing that you do. You get like a corner or a place in the big space of the art school and do something. And then there's like this booklet, and it's a big opening night, you know? So it was fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=528.0,595.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: When I finished my military service, that's actually what I thought I was going to do. I thought I was going to go to art school. I love art. I still do. I still paint. And I always wished I knew more. But that was a really amazing experience. Yeah. Because I pretty much hated school otherwise. I was horrible at sports. I didn't enjoy math. English class was boring [laughs]. You know, so having art classes in the day to day was a lifesaver. With other nerds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=595.0,646.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: So what happened when you came back from your military service?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=646.0,651.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I tried to get into architecture school in Jerusalem, but I didn't get in and I was frustrated from a lot of things. You know, military service, it wasn't easy. You get disillusioned afterwards and start to see the world with new eyes. And I was really frustrated. And it was always a dream for me, I always wanted to leave, I always wanted to go abroad or study abroad or live abroad, cause I never truly felt like I belonged. In part I think it was because I came to Israel only when I was five. So Hebrew isn't even my first language. Even though I don't even speak my first language [laughs]. So even though it's home, I always felt—you know, all the books I read, I read in English. I didn't really know contemporary Israeli culture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=651.0,695.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So, I was taking a bartending course and this guy was giving a course on beer, and we flirted, and he was really nice, and then he set me up with a job with this small organization that was kind of doing educational advocacy for beer drinking in Israel. Like of microbrewery and all sorts of that. And I would do events with them, you know, pour stuff, and all sorts. Didn't hear from him otherwise though. And then we did a course together with this organization. Still, flirted, all that, and nothing. And then he started bartending in my regular bar where I used to go almost like every night. At the time I was working at the airport at like a coffee bar, so I was doing a lot of night shifts. So what I did, I had the day off, I would go to this place, and it was kind of like almost like a \"Cheers\" [TV show] situation. Really. We all knew each other. We were all kind of friends that were friends because we went to the same bar. We were all there almost every day. And he was the bartender. And one day I just took his phone and I was like, \"Here's my number, let's go on a date.\" And we did, that's Mark [Esthi's husband]. We went on a date that lasted until like 6:00 AM. We talked all night. And he only kissed me next to the car, which I called my best friends on the way home, and I bitched to her, like, \"I can't believe he waited until I was leaving!\" [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=695.0,800.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: But yeah, we started dating. Three months later, we moved in together, because I was starting to apply to schools abroad. Mark, actually, just when I met him the first time he just kind of came back from the United States. He was in Portland, Oregon, doing a bachelor degree. So he was back in Israel just less than a year. And we met up and he helped me at part of the—us also getting closer together was him helping me fill out my applications, figuring out which schools to apply. I settled on architecture because my parents were like, \"We're not going to help you out if it's art school.\" So I was like, \"Okay, let me look at other—what do you do other than art?\" And then my mom, very randomly—I didn't even think about architecture, it wasn't like anywhere in my mind—she's like, \"How about architecture?\" A friend of hers told her about architecture. And I was looking at it and I was like, \"Sure, sounds interesting. Let's go for it.\" So, I applied to five schools with Mark's help and I got into one in Oregon and one in New Jersey.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=800.0,909.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: It was a pretty funny experience, you know, you wait for your FedEx. It's kind of different, I guess, from when you're here knowing you're just waiting, but I guess it is similar in some regard, waiting for the letter. Is it gonna be a small letter? Is it going to be a big one? I don't know if they still do it today. Today, it's all in emails, I bet. Today it's all digital. I was so [unclear]. But in Israel, Friday afternoon, everything shuts down. Like Christmas Eve shuts down, like no post, no nothing until Sunday. Sunday we don't have off; it's a regular day. So I get a notice that the package from the last university has arrived and it's in another town. And I was like, \"We have to go get it now, cause I'm not waiting until Sunday or Monday or whatever until they deliver it.\" My mom and I get in the car, we drive. It's kind of in the middle of nowhere. I beg the guy in the gate, \"Please, please.\" So they bring me out the letter, and it was an acceptance letter from New Jersey Institute of Technology in Newark with a scholarship, which was amazing. Yeah. About a year after Mark and I met, we moved to the United States together in 2009. Funny how things go around. So he ended up being in Israel barely two years, I think, before I dragged him back here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=909.0,1022.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And was he from the same part of Israel as you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1022.0,1024.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: No. He was from a different town. I grew up in an almost suburban place called [unclear], which translates like \"the head of the eye.\" And he was living in a much more urban, dense city, [unclear] which is much closer to Tel Aviv. Yeah. That's very different places, very different experiences.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1024.0,1053.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Hmm. You mentioned you commuted to Tel Aviv for high school. Was that a difficult commute? Was it far?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1053.0,1062.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Oh yeah. I mean, you know, Israel is the size of New Jersey, so far over there is relative. But I had to be out of the house by 7:00 AM, I think. So I had to wake up at six. There wasn't the bus to the train station, so I would usually get a ride from my mom or my dad to the train station, take a train to Tel Aviv, and then I have to walk like 20 minutes to the school. Sometimes we'll take buses on the way back. Now that I reflect on it and what I do in my life and my specific interests and in my professional world and in where I like to live and a lot of other stuff, I'm like, \"That's where it came from,\" because now I do a lot of work about public transit and about cities and about getting around without a car. And I did that a lot between the time when I was like 16 to 22: buses and trains and walking. You know, when you see someone like walking in the middle of the highway interchange and you're like, \"Why are you there? That doesn't make any sense.\" I was that person a few times with my bike. So yeah, I mean, now that I reflect back on it, I'm not as surprised that I ended up in the field that I ended up in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1062.0,1153.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Hmm. Interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1153.0,1153.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. But yeah, it is. I mean, it's something in my research and in my work. I know I'm kind of jumping ahead to some other stuff, but I deal a lot with car infrastructure and the realities of using cars. And that's a lot about that time period in my life, both during my military service and those high school years, I really experienced those two realities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1153.0,1196.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: How does it relate to your military service?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1196.0,1201.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I did a lot of things in my service, but one of them was also a driver. So I was trained on a truck, you know, those massive trucks, and on an armored car. They take you to a track and you practice stopping a car at a really high angle and then starting back up again, because it's not on automatic, it's stick. I served on the border with Egypt, so we did a lot--we worked and collaborated with the Egyptian military, and there's a force there that's combined with 12 countries that support the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel called the MFO [Multinational Force \u0026 Observers]. And I did a lot of driving on that route between the two countries. So, I did a lot of driving in my life, too. And now as someone who identifies as a car-free human, again, I find it very amusing, cause I do love fast cars and I would love to go on a track and drive really fast, but I really despise them in cities [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1201.0,1268.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Hmm. And when did you learn to drive?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1268.0,1303.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: As soon as I could legally do it. I was around 16, I think. Yeah. It's different, like I had to take classes, and then take the written exam, and then the actual driving exam. It was funny because when I came to Newark, after a certain amount of time I wanted to get a local driver license, cause I couldn't keep using my temp—I had a temporary international one. And I was so happy I only had to re-take the written exam, because it's like, my brother had to take his exam seven times, because he was practicing for so long, he was already a driver, and he would just fail on the digital stuff. So yeah. I drove a bunch in the U.S. as well. I think that's where I learned to dislike it more than back in Israel, because I knew Israel more, so I felt more comfortable in the environment, and here it was brand new and so much bigger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1303.0,1390.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Could you tell me the story of how you became a car-free human?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1390.0,1393.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Oh, interesting. Yeah. I mean, when we just moved here, of course we were car-free for like two years. We moved to Newark, we lived in a building called the Colonnades, which is actually constructed by Mies van der Rohe. And we didn't have a car. There was bus access. My university was right around the corner, like a few blocks walk. But it was so difficult. And we didn't realize at first, like we couldn't get to the supermarket, everything was just so hard to get to. You couldn't do it on a daily basis. We really struggled with New Jersey without a car, so we bought a car [laughs]. We bought a car. On one hand life became easier, but on the other hand, it also became harder dealing with insurance, which was really difficult for me, dealing with all the car—we bought second hand, so it kept having issues. I think we did a lot of mistakes where we bought the car, cause it was from scratch. My dad was around to help us choose the car, but none of us knew where to go, what to look for. Even though we got cars in the past, it was just totally different. So it was also a real struggle to own it, cause it had a lot of fixing up to do. And I always felt like I had no idea what I was doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1393.0,1410.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And then I graduated from my undergraduate in architecture and I got a job in the city. I was working in Midtown [Manhattan] for a water infrastructure firm called [unclear]. And Mark didn't love Newark. Newark shuts down after five, unless you live in [unclear] or unless you've lived there for generations so you have a lot of network. It was just us, with a few friends we've made along the way, most of them living far away. So we moved to Brooklyn. And after a few months in Brooklyn, I was like, \"We are selling the car. I am not moving it twice a week every week for another month.\" I just couldn't do it. It was actually so easy to get rid of it, and I didn't miss it at all. Yeah. And like now I'm even kind of a little bit scared of even driving again. Like sometimes when I fly to visit my parents or we want to go on a trip in the U.S. or outside, it's like, that's really kind of a big question for me now, cause it's just, I really don't love it anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1410.0,1584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: You don't love what anymore?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1584.0,1586.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Driving. Driving. Because of my work—Now I'm working on a PhD in urban systems, and I'm focused on this research on this question about the future of streets, and a big part of the future of streets has to do with the present, which is cars. So, I've studied the car system now for almost six years, and it is terrifying. The roadway is a scary, scary place. I mean, when you look at the numbers of fatalities and injuries of people inside cars, people outside of cars, it's like a menace. And now I just see it all the time everywhere I go. So as a driver, I drive like a pedestrian. I drive super slow, and I see all the bicyclists and the pedestrians and I'm like, \"I'm not in a rush, you know. I have AC, I have music.\" But other drivers are not like that. So it makes it—especially in New York, all the honking—it makes me so anxious. It's something that kind of happened by mistake, with selling the car because of the move, but now it's purposeful. Now, even if I moved to a place that might require a car, I'm going to make sure that I figure out a way to live without it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1586.0,1690.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Cool. So how long ago was that, that you sold your car?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1690.0,1699.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: A long time. Either 2015 or 2016, I think. No. Either 2014 or 2015. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1699.0,1722.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: It was interesting to hear you talk about how hard it was taking care of the car, maintaining it and paying insurance and moving it, and then how easy it was to sell it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1722.0,1733.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. It's not that I didn't know things about America and the United States before I came here. Obviously I knew English, I watched a lot of movies and TV, but it could not have prepared me. Not really. So a lot of the things was kind of like \"learn as you go,\" and a lot of things you just don't really realize how much they're built into the fact that your family knows where to go, like, has a place or knows what to look for or just has a region. I mean, I didn't even have a town. I didn't know, \"Oh, you should only go here.\" I didn't have that kind of understanding. And again, also the spatial understanding, it took me awhile to get the size of the U.S. and get the size of Newark and Jersey and New York City. The first time I was in the city in New York, I walked from like 79 to 42 and back. I couldn't feel my legs the day after. But it was because I didn't understand the size, like how big everything was. Yeah. It's something. Depending where you come from—Europe even, doesn't have this size.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1733.0,1836.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: I can relate to that because, you know, I grew up in New York and both my parents grew up in New York, but after undergrad I had a fellowship in Japan and I lived in Tokyo for three years, and I just felt one of the hardest things about adjusting to life there—well, not the hardest thing, but one of the really frustrating things was not knowing where to go for things that I needed or how to get there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1836.0,1865.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. And I hear that Tokyo specifically is also like New York, right? They say about it, it's like New York on steroids. Right? So it's probably even more intense than here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1865.0,1879.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. It's really easy to get around, like New York, you can get everywhere and it's easier getting around without having a car. You can get everywhere on the trains and the buses. But it's a much bigger, more extensive subway system. And then there are private and public subway lines, and they don't have just one MetroCard that you can use to take all the different lines. So yeah, it is more complicated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1879.0,1906.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. I've only been to [unclear] for like two days and Hong Kong for like two days. So that's the only out-of-New York comparison I have in terms of, in my opinion, the scale of the system. And I was already lost there. I mean, I know they say that the system here is really simple, but it's really not, because it's really built for a certain level of understanding English, or also assuming that you've experienced, kind of, the system as a general once. I was going to say if you know how to operate the New York machines, you know how to operate the DC machines. That's also a lie, because I went to DC once and I was trying buy a train ticket and I just couldn't understand the machine. And this was after I was here for several years and I was like, \"I just don't understand,\" because I know it's just something that has to do with misconception or logic. But then I found out that it's not just me and it was just bad design. That's one of the big things I've learned in architecture school, is that oftentimes you are simply responding to the environment that was designed around you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1906.0,1999.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And that's why I was really interested in keeping with my education and doing the master's and eventually this PhD, and asking this question about the urban streets, because I always felt like maybe I can contribute a bit more into kind of making life better. And if I couldn't do it through medicine as I wanted as a kid, it was just like, make a better world through urban places. And then I started architecture, I thought, \"I'll do it through buildings.\" If I can make an awesome building for people to live in, better life. But that didn't really work out [laughs]. So urban place, it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=1999.0,2042.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I do believe it's really important. 34th Avenue, right? Really, it's just proof. It's proof to how much urban space really influences our individual and personal lives, and how we can bring joy and happiness with only minor changes. So I always say, \"Can you imagine how amazing it would be if we didn't just settle for the minor changes? How awesome, how more we can make our lives better and happier?\" I teach now, so I've had to become a little bit more optimistic about what can we do and why we should do it, you know? I think this happened, this thing is really important. We don't have that enough. We don't put it enough as a goal. Right? Just to be happy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2042.0,2118.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: So how did teaching make you become more optimistic, or make you feel like you should be more optimistic?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2118.0,2127.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So [laughs]. I've been, now for several years, with the climate emergency, I'm one of the very anxious persons. I have generalized anxiety disorder, so I mean, it doesn't help, but that very much concerns me. And I worry about the future of all of us. I don't think it's going to end very well. I mean, I'm optimistic for my students and I do my best, but when I reflect kind of by myself, I just don't know. Cause like I said earlier, we don't value happiness. We don't value just making life better. Right? So if you don't even value those small, simple things, how are we going to be able to respond to the climate emergency we've know about since the 1980s? And they still haven't done anything. I love the United States. I love being here. I mean, I dream about a green card everyday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2127.0,2201.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: You said you dream--?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2201.0,2201.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I dream about a green card every day. American society recently cares a lot more about the environment and its influence on the world. They're starting to see it more. But the government, the policies, the obsession with cars, you know, people just want to be comfortable. I mean, that's why I came here, to be honest. So that's on me, too. I didn't want to live in a place where I have to constantly be at war with everything and everybody. I wanted to be in a place where I can just be me, and work toward something, do something meaningful. So the climate crisis really kind of put me in a spot for quite a long time, and still, of fear: Fear for the future. How we're going to live, what we're going to leave behind. And I'm not optimistic. I don't know. I don't think we're doing enough and I don't think we're doing it quick enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2201.0,2281.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: But when I teach students—and at the moment, I'm teaching a Green New Deal studio about asking this question: \"Under the Green New Deal, if you were to consider a transition to 15-minute cities, neighborhoods away from the private car, how can that be facilitated by the Green New Deal? How will it look?\" Last semester I taught a class that asked a somewhat similar question, but on the United Nations' 17 Sustainable Development Goals [SDGs]. It was kind of a question of what's the role of architecture and architects in the global sustainability goals, the SDGs? So as I was teaching those courses, I have to open their minds to what can we do. And to do that, I can't think it's impossible. I have to be kind of almost like a Disney princess a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2281.0,2347.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2347.0,2347.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Right, that says, \"Yes, we can do it!\" Why not do it? You know, why not try and really push them to that? But that's mostly, for me, it's part of the process, it's part of the education. I've discovered that many of them have never even been given the choice to dream about their future, that they don't even know how to do it. It's really hard for them to imagine the world in a different way, because I think nobody really gave them the opportunity. So it's been a really fascinating process and I really hope I get to keep teaching these questions when I finally finish my PhD.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2347.0,2397.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And you know, COVID did something really weird to urban streets in the US. It kind of shortened the amount of time it takes to do certain stuff in the United States. Like if you try to put all those restaurants [unclear], or the open streets, like pre-COVID, it will take so many community boards and three years of lawsuits before you can get anything done. So it kinda condensed a process that tends to happen a lot longer in New York, and in general in the US. But then you also had the urban backlash, because of course there's always comms and urban backlash when something goes wrong, especially in the U.S., where the suburb is valued a lot more as a typology of living.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2397.0,2425.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: But then it did something really weird, cause it created open streets and restaurant streets. And non-researcher people and non-bikers and non-runners were suddenly outside, finally having space to be in and being like, \"Wait a minute, this is really great.\" Right? So the living experience made them catch up more quickly than if they would have seen a proposal or would have seen it as a temporary, one day event in the weekend, which is how they do summer streets. Right? Like they're trying to get people to imagine what it might be like, streets that do other things, but they're doing it slowly--I mean, I argue in a lot of my work, too slowly, and that's why these more holistic transition, like 34th Street [sic], that's way more, many blocks, are so hard to do here. There's this fear of changing this urban reality that existed in the U.S. in the past 50, 60 years, as if that's how everything looked like. And it's all surrounding the car.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2425.0,2533.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So yeah, so that's kind of been my obsession in the last few years. And I feel very lucky; I live right next to 34th, totally by mistake. Cause now I live in Queens, and not in Brooklyn, and I'm so happy to be there. Mark and I do a little bit of vending once a weekend over there. So I get to see it, live it, live with it, which has been awesome. And I really, really hope I succeed in staying here long enough to see it become what it could be. It could be so amazing. I mean, we loved the neighborhood before the Open Street. We love Jackson Heights. We moved here by mistake, but now we really can't imagine living anywhere else. We really want to be here for a very long time. The Open Street just kind of made it even more--especially now that we kind of work on the street too, really got our own stake in it a little bit. It's part of our lives a bit more and part of who we are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2533.0,2659.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: I really hope you can stay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2659.0,2662.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Oh, me too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2662.0,2662.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Long-term, for as long as you want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2662.0,2665.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll see what kind of new legislation comes about, what kinds of jobs. I hope someone will let me make streets better here. That's the whole idea. So we'll see. Yeah, yeah. That's been the hard part, cause we feel like we're here, right? This is our home. This is our community and neighborhood, but there's like a clock always off to the sides, kind of ticking away, that puts in question our place here, because of our legal status, because of our status as immigrants. That's what was always awesome about Jackson Heights, that we felt so much more at home here than any other neighborhood we lived at, because there was so many other people like us and they were all at home and they're all like, \"Yeah, this is our home. It's fine, it's okay that you speak another language and you love all these other foods.\" And if you're not American [unclear] you're from Jackson Heights. So I think that's been really meaningful. And then with the Open Streets, we got to meet our neighbors a lot more, and our community a lot more, and get involved with all sorts of stuff. So I think it really kind of connected us to the neighborhood so much more than we were before. Yeah. You'll have to drag us kicking and screaming out of the neighborhood [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2665.0,2778.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And what was your connection to the neighborhood like before?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2778.0,2785.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I mean Newark, where we lived in Newark, I did a bunch of volunteering working more. I went to school in Newark; I did my undergraduate, my graduate, now I'm doing my PhD still in Newark. So I love Newark. I have also a very deep relationship to the city. But I can't tell you that when I walk the--I mean, I feel connection to Newark, but I don't think Newark has any connection to me. Right? When I walk around in Newark, the people of Newark, they can see I'm not from there. I don't know them as well [unclear]. I'm not part of their community because I don't live there anymore, and I'm not a part of the place. But I've never had this, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2785.0,2826.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: What's the difference in the two [unclear]? I mean, maybe it's because I'm not a kid anymore, and I have adult friends that are not forced on me by parents. [In Jackson Heights] The cashiers in the supermarket know me and will say hello, and I know the waitress at Ricky's, right. And she knows my parents. And every time they come to visit, she's like, \"How's the cats? Show me the pictures of the cats.\" And we have a bunch of our favorite restaurants that, even though, I'm very white and I blend very much in, but they'll still accept us. Even if it's a Bangladeshi spot or a kind of a Lebanese food place, and yeah, we're all just in Jackson Heights. And I don't think I've had that feeling, that kind of relationship with people and that kind of feeling of acceptance. That this is my home, you know, just as much as the other people living in the building. I feel very lucky to have accidentally moved here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2826.0,2826.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Aw, that's beautiful. You said one of the reasons you feel more at home here in Jackson Heights is because there are so many people like you. Can you say more about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2826.0,2931.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I mean, there are so many immigrants and so many people coming in here just looking for something different, looking for something else. Missing their families, but still loving it here. You know, having those multiple languages and loving all these different foods that they never heard about before. And also having that same anxiety, the same fear and that same, \"Oh, I wish I could vote, but I can't.\" Still being involved in all the politics and the community, but kind of also having that distance and kind of knowing that you can find cash jobs in the neighborhood, you could do street vending, and will be supported by the community. And that there's resources. Before, if I needed to find even like lawyers who signed like a translator, I don't remember the word for it in English right now, like--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=2931.0,3008.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Like a notary?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3008.0,3009.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Like a notary, right. So almost every other neighborhood I lived in before, I had to take a train, it can take forever to get to all these things. But here, they're here, because the people, we all need it. Right? So small stuff like that really make a difference. And the food, I got to say, the food really made us feel at home here, because we could finally find fruits and vegetables and the things that we like to eat that before that was always such a struggle to find. And again, it's from the not knowing where the hell we are [laughs] and just having to discover everything from scratch. Who knew you couldn't find good food in Walmart? Nobody told us. It's kind of the stuff you don't even realize some people may not know. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3009.0,3076.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: I love what you're saying. It's such a great tribute to Jackson Heights.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3076.0,3082.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: [Laughs] Which really is a wonderful neighborhood. I brought my students this summer here to do a tour when I was teaching them about streets, because within an hour I could show them like four or five typologies of urban streets in one neighborhood. Like from transit, to the elevated 7 [train]. Right? So you have the transit corridor. And then you have a commercial strip on 37th. And then 35th is just residential, and then 34th is an Open Street. And then you have Northern Boulevard, which is an urban highway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3082.0,3135.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I think one of the other thing that makes Jackson Heights so awesome is that it still has potential. I mean, it's awesome. And it's really, really great, but there's still places to build on, to improve, to expand, to connect better to all the communities around us, to spread the joy of Jackson Heights more to Elmhurst, right? And kinda expand that. So, I mean, I call it Jackson Heights, but I always kind of related also to the fact that we once walked to Flushing, all the way, on Roosevelt Avenue. And I love that you can do that in this, in the city, in Queens. You can walk to Astoria. Can you imagine how beautiful it could be if we had an Open Street, just all the way to Astoria? That's my dream. I mean, one of my dreams. I have many for the streets of New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3135.0,3196.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: But yeah, Mark and I, one of our favorite things to do in the city, is urban walks. And we love to cross bridges. And we love to just walk from neighborhood to neighborhood and check out different foods along the way. And we love going into supermarkets and just checking out the different aisles, and discovering new things and spices, new things to experiment with. And because I'm pretty obsessed about urban spaces, and Mark is more about food, it's always like really fun walks where we talk about architecture, we talk about urban space, we talk about the future, and we talk about food and zoning, almost like kind of mini tours amongst ourselves. And I think Jackson Heights has really got us seriously into all of those things, because they're all here, accessible, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3196.0,3265.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Cool. So yeah, I have so many questions I want to ask you. I guess before we talk more about your experience of 34th Avenue, I would like to hear more about your research. Can you tell me about the history of streets?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3265.0,3290.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Oh yeah, of course, I would love to tell you about the history of streets. In terms of the United States, I think, and New York City in particular, by the 1900s, you have streets, what we understand as modern streets. We have sidewalks; that's been around for several decades. But most of the streets are dirt paths, muddy, there's no main body that cleans it or maintains it. The responsibility is purely on the owners of the people who live on those blocks. And the main uses in the streets is horse carriages. And then there's the first invented bus in like the early 1920s, the Omnibus, which is the first kind of public transit vehicle that you can pick up anywhere and it drops you anywhere. It's like limited to 12, 15 people. You start seeing electrical cars, actually, before you see the gasoline cars. You see the bicycle getting used.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3290.0,3363.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: The bicycle and the electrical car were really huge liberators for women to be able to independently travel. And that's also actually one of the reasons why both of those tools were pushed to the sides fairly hard on, to prevent that kind of independence. The bicycle actually started as like a rich people toy, and only after some technological innovation that made the wheel wider and the gears easier to use, then women start using them more seriously for independent travel. And actually bicycle riders are the organization that pushes pavement, paving of streets, because all of the mud and the horses' mess, and it's really bad for the bikes and they keep falling off. And then there's also like at the same time, there's severe health issues in the city made worse by the horses, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3363.0,3433.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So, when we started getting these innovations in pavings in the 1920s, and then we start to get innovation in combustion engine, private vehicles. And even though they explode, and even though they're really difficult to maneuver, they're fast and they begin to be associated with power and freedom and independence. So, all the white males jump on the opportunity. And we see this rise in middle class that takes over governmental positions and legislates laws that start to organize the streets, start to kind of introduce traffic lights and stoplights, and this idea of a crosswalk, that you're supposed to cross in corners.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3433.0,3487.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And there's huge fights against this. Thousands of kids die in the streets; mostly kids because they're used to playing in the streets because the streets was the public spaces. There weren't parks or playgrounds or any of that sort. That's kinda only still getting developed. So there's this really big push, especially from women, against this kind of increase in combustion engine cars, but the lobby of car manufacturing and all of the supporting industry around it, they win the game, right? Investing in a lot of marketing, inventing jaywalking, doing this whole kind of psychological thing over the years where it's your fault for being run over. You should be more responsible and make your way for the fast-moving car.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3487.0,3552.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And then you probably know the rest of the story with Ford, right? Henry Ford comes in and brings together a collection of technology, but most importantly, the assembly line. He makes car production way more efficient, way more quicker, more affordable. He gives his employees a raise, so they can actually buy the cars, the T models that they're producing. And he also gives them days off, because he wants them to buy his cars, and then he wants them to use them and make other people want to buy the car. So Henry Ford really kinda creates this new form of production that spreads everywhere. In that time period, 1930s, 1940s, the roads are still a mess, like they're paved, but there's no marking. There's not too many traffic signs. The concept of parking and parking meters is getting invented because they're starting to see demand of space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3552.0,3633.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: But then comes World War II. And World War II changes everything, because when the war ends and everybody comes back, there's the push to put women back in the house. And there's a need to sell a lot of things, right, to maintain the consumer society. And one of those things is the car. And the car becomes the tool to keep separating everything. That's when we start seeing cities really separating residential from commercial, from business and industry. Instead, cities are a mix of all, right? But cities are getting vilified, right, by investing in suburbs instead. Really creating the suburbs, that people need cars to drive back to the city to work. And through the fifties all the way until the 1990s, you see policies continuously privilege the car. From the development of, in the 1960s, we have the national interstate system that cuts through cities and communities, mostly African-American, mostly Brown communities, cutting them in half, completely displacing them, and putting huge intersections and huge urban highways in almost every single American city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3633.0,3741.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: You look at Newark today, and it's just like someone just came in with a knife and put a highway there, a highway there, and there's some leftovers from the community, but you could still see the brokenness of it. And in the Bronx, we have that as well with the Cross Bronx Expressway. So we have Robert Moses coming in, that's these time periods as well, like in the 60s, 70s. On the one hand, without him, all the kind of commercial connections that make New York City what it is today, on the other hand, he was a firm believer of what's called the automobile lifestyle, right? One of the first parkways that he built to the beach have, on purpose, really low bridges, right? That's the most known fact about them, that the buses can't go underneath them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3741.0,3809.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: But it's built in even before that. When they designed Central Park, right, they designed it on top of an African-American community. It wasn't an empty space. And not even that; Olmsted, the architect who designed Central Park, designed it with layers of internal streets, right, pedestrians, bicyclists and horse carriages. Horse carriages are only for the rich and the white. And it was purposely kind of organized to create a separation where the people in the horse carriage wouldn't have to look at anybody else in the park. It's kind of a tradition that's very much built into urban planning, unfortunately, this kind of top of view perspective. And by the 1980s, American urban streets are roadways. Period. Usually with on-street parking, often times free, sometimes metered. There are wonderfully horrible pictures from Houston, from the 1980s where most of downtown Houston is on-street parking; you have one tall tower surrounded by on-street parking. Because that's what cars do, 90% of their life. They stand and wait for you to get back in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3809.0,3912.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I mean, the last hundred years, not too much changed. Not too much changed in car technology, not too much has changed in road technology. Cars have become extremely safer for people inside, and extremely, extremely dangerous for people outside. Especially in terms of size, the cars are getting bigger and bigger. And unlike 50, 60 years ago, there's no longer too much space to widen highways, which funnily enough is still happening though in United States. If I remember correctly, just recently the federal DOT just kind of did a cease and desist to the DOT in Texas, because they were about to widen a highway and use eminent domain to demolish an African-American community to build the expansion of the highway. So it's not old stories; it's still happening. It's still very much built into American laws, and into our global economic system. Sticking to the streets, the street is public space, but we've looked at it in the last 50 years as a throughway, not an urban place. That's the difference. That's kind of the big transition that is there; that it used to be an urban place that serviced that community, both traveling through it and living in it. Now it doesn't. Yeah. Streets are fascinating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=3912.0,4045.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Thank you for that super comprehensive and informative overview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4045.0,4054.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: [Laughs] Can you tell I teach?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4054.0,4054.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah, that was really great. I feel like I just learned so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4054.0,4057.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4057.0,4057.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Just seeing the bigger picture all at once through that explanation, and it's pretty depressing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4057.0,4071.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: It can be. I know. I know, but that's why it's so important to remember the points of lights, like the Open Streets ideas and the Summer Streets, and do what we can to push it forward. That's what my argument [is], if the street was something else, why can't we change it? It's just like any other plot of land we develop in cities. And especially in a place like New York City, that one week you can go and suddenly a building is gone, you come back after two weeks and there's a new building, I find it fascinating how unable we are to re-imagine the street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4071.0,4126.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Do you see people reimagining more for the future of streets? I would love to hear what you think about the future of streets and what others are thinking about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4126.0,4142.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of people thinking about it, for sure. And I think right before COVID we also had this huge push for autonomous vehicles, right, stemming mostly from car manufacturers, because autonomous cars are cars, just like electrical cars are cars. So they have something to sell. I mean, that's also why I think cycling is way more successful than walking, because they have something to sell, right? What are they going to sell for a pedestrian, more shoes? Another hat? So there's the field that says that the future is autonomous, autonomous and shared. The shared is usually tacked on at the end, because once you really start thinking about private ownership of autonomous vehicles, you realize the situation will get way worse than it is now. I'll give you a quick scenario of why. So, I work in Midtown Manhattan. I don't want to park; it's really expensive. I'll just tell my autonomous car to drive around the block until I'm done. Then it'll pick me up at the end of the day. So you'll basically have cars driving around on a countless amount of trips. Or even if you send them back home, it's an extra mileage, like more pollution produced. And even if there were all electrical, where do you produce the electricity from? And also, electrical batteries cannot be recycled for private vehicles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4142.0,4230.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: In the future of streets, the ownership of power is a big question, but we live in the United States and talking about ownership is complicated. People start calling you a communist, you know, \"You can't take away my freedom.\" So that's why you're going to hear a very dominant voice that sees the future of the streets as electrical, autonomous, and shared. It talks about a mix. Some people can still own vehicles. There'll be shared systems of vehicles that you could be a member in and you can take your car. And most of the things will look kind of the same, but we'll figure it out to be sustainable. Maybe there'll be more green spaces. Cause in theory, there will be less car owners. So there'll be less cars, cause more people will share.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4230.0,4307.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And then there's another school of thought that's like, the future of streets is post-car, meaning no cars. Only public transit or bicycles, or what's called micro mobilities, which is bicycles and scooters and all the one wheels [personal electric vehicles] and all of those different things. In order for that argument to be successful, you've also got to redesign some other things to make it, to allow people to live next to where they work so they can walk or scoot or bike there and basically remove all the things you need a car for. So it's really kind of dismantling the entire modern organization of society. Right? It's pretty complicated. It's about rezoning. There's a lot of layers into it. So I think there's a scale between these two, autonomous and completely post-car. The ones at least that are concerned about the streets, right? There's a few other ideas like flying cars and drones, but that's not about the street, right? That's more about moving around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4307.0,4400.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I've been to an autonomous share vehicle once in Las Vegas, and it was really interesting. It was driving with regular traffic. This is what I write about in my research. I'm writing about all these different ideas that are here in the United States about the future of the streets. But I think not the right voices are being given the opportunities to express what they think the future should be, because the people who are producing them are like car manufacturers, technology companies, and some universities and some other sort of organizations, but not enough six year olds and sixteen year olds and twenty-one year olds are getting a say in the process. And again, going back to 34th Ave, that's why it's so great, because they get to get their points across. And that's why I think it works.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4400.0,4443.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4443.0,4443.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And that's why I often think that a lot of the other proposals I tend to see will not work, because they forget about the kids and they forget about the old people and they forget about the people who can only walk one block and then they need aid to continue to walk, so they could sit down on a wheelchair for a bit for this [unclear]. And they don't think about the kids with ADHD and no backyard that need a space to run around, and all those small things that actually make up life. And therefore the streets oftentimes don't come [unclear]. They're made for other purposes, right? Not for the wellbeing of the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4443.0,4531.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Can you say more about how you see the 34th Avenue Open Street being a space for young people and older people to be heard and get their ideas across?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4531.0,4548.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. I mean, I think the proof is in the use, right? So right on 34th and 77th, there's the park [Travers Park], right? The recent renovation that DOT did in the park, they put a bunch of benches right next to the curb. Before that you didn't have anything to watch. You'd watch the car drive around. And now, you have people watching and you can see them gossiping about everything and everybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4548.0,4584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Uh-huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4584.0,4584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I mean, I'm sure half of them are bitching and moaning about the Open Street, but they have something to talk about. So you can see them all hanging around there. Sometimes you can tell that someone may not have AC [air conditioning] at home. So they're spending a lot of hours outside in the park, even though it's hot wearing layers, right, because of the sun and age and all of these things. So I think in terms of older people, that proof is really in the use and you see more of them walking safely in the road, meeting some friends. And with the kids, is the ability to run. I see a bunch of 14 year olds riding bikes by themselves, no parent supervision required. You can see even the younger kids, five, six, and they're running around and they're saying hi to other kids in the streets that they meet in the park afterwards. But it's kind of a secondary space to stop by and say hello and catch up on some stuff, a place to make noise. I see so many kids making noise [laughs] and that's why the streets are for, to get all their energy out and run around and bike. I think that's my favorite thing. Seeing small kids biking or scooting by themselves and seeing the parents not running after them like crazy, like they have to do in the sidewalks, but just crawling behind. And you see how the kids know to stop in front of the intersections with the cross streets. I think you can see independence coming from the use of the streets. I don't think I've ever been there when it was empty and I didn't see a child or an old person. So for me, that's how, that's how they express it, right? By using it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4584.0,4717.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Do you remember when you first heard about the 34th Avenue Open Street?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4717.0,4727.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: No. I think I saw it on Twitter [laughs]. I don't remember to be honest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4727.0,4736.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: I don't remember, either.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4736.0,4738.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I don't remember at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4738.0,4740.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: It was at such a strange time--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4740.0,4743.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4743.0,4744.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: At the worst part of the pandemic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4744.0,4745.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah, it was just like a year of March. Even now I'm still like, \"It's 2021, at the end of July, and I don't know how I got here\" [laughs]. COVID really did something weird to time. But yeah. We loved it from the moment we saw it, because of my research and my advocacy that stems from that research, we're always big fans--every time they close the streets, I used to tell Mark, \"Come on, come on! On the middle of the road! They're finally letting us.\" When they just started closing streets in the city, like a few years back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4745.0,4760.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: You mean for Summer Streets?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4760.0,4793.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. Yeah. When they would do temporary shutdowns, and people will still walk on the sidewalk. Or like when they block, during Pride, they blocked the main street for the parade, but then they blocked some side streets, so you have enough room. So you end up with these really big empty streets that you can just walk in the middle. And it used to be a lot more rare than it is today. Sometimes we get to 34th before 8:00 AM and Mark would always tell me I started walking in the middle of the road, I forgot the street wasn't open yet. And I do it, and I'm usually there sometimes after 8:00 PM and I do the same. I'm dying to walk in the middle of the road. Yeah, no, I don't remember. I do not remember at all when it came about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4793.0,4865.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Do you remember what you thought in some of the earliest times that you went on the Open Street?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4865.0,4871.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Oh, I love it. I remember taking pictures. I really enjoyed, at the beginning, a lot more people drew on the road with chalk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4871.0,4884.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4884.0,4886.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So I took a bunch of pictures. I love that. I love art. I love traces, like in social science with all those traces where you weren't there when someone was doing an activity, but they left things behind that gives a hint of what was being done and who was there and all those things. And our traces are absolutely my favorite. So it was really fun to see that. I remember taking a picture and posting it on Instagram and then someone commenting, \"Oh my God, that's my picture\". Like the kid who drew it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4886.0,4918.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Aww.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4918.0,4918.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So it was really nice. And I remember the first time we walked to the edge of it, and then we were like, \"Oh, it's over, how sad. That was really quick.\" You know, we felt like it ended too soon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4918.0,4931.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. Can you tell me more about some of the sights and the sounds and smells of the Open Streets?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4931.0,4950.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: One of the biggest thing I notice always is the breeze, how lovely the breeze is on the Open Street. And how quiet. I just love that you can't hear cars. And I love that you hear snips of music. And I guess I'm really a fan of a lot of music, so I enjoy all of it. And yeah, I think I really enjoy sometimes randomly seeing the people doing Zumba, or seeing another street vendor. I love street vendors of all kinds, especially when they're selling something that I haven't seen before being sold on the street. I remember the first time I saw in the higher numbers of the Open Street, there [was] a mini flea market of just one stand. And I was so excited. I took a picture. I texted it to Mark, I was like \"Oh my God, this is so cool.\" And a mini library, I think at one point, or there was just a spot, I think some people sometimes leave books, which I also love. I love those kind of leaving a few things with the note, \"Take me, I'm free,\" and all those kinds of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=4950.0,5047.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I guess the one thing I don't hear often, but I wish I did, I wish more people came and played music on the Open Street. Like a week ago, there was a guy with a violin playing on 34th and 78th. And it was just the best. I love classical music, but I just love classical instruments, or just live performances. Especially in the streets. There's also a guy that sits on 77th and 35th I think, and plays on a guitar every other weekend. And it's just so nice to hear those sounds when I'm out there in the street, than honking and revving and just the constant white noise of cars driving. Yeah. The quiet, though, the quiet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5047.0,5112.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I never realized how the noise of the cities and cars, until three years ago, I went to a conference in Copenhagen. I was presenting somewhere and I was just going outside to the street, and it was just so quiet, because they don't have many cars. The cars that are around are mostly electrical and almost everybody rides on a bike. So at least in the center of Copenhagen. And it was just lovely. And that's the thing. You notice when the Open Streets ends [at 8:00PM] and, even from my apartment, you start hearing the honks a lot more. So yeah, I think those are my favorite sounds. Oh, I know! And the butterflies, I've noticed I keep seeing huge butterflies, gorgeous--I recently saw one orange with like an orange, black pattern. Just absolutely gorgeous. And I love squirrel watching, even though I've been here for more than a decade, squirrels get me excited every time I see them. It's just like, I can't believe this is the normal animal running around in our city. It's just so awesome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5112.0,5197.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: So there are no squirrels in Israel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5197.0,5200.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: No, no. We have--how do you call it, that really beautiful bird with the male has all these--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5200.0,5210.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: A peacock?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5210.0,5210.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Peacock. We have wild peacocks. One of the times I visited my brother, I'd go outside and suddenly like a random peacock was just roaming around yelling. But yeah, that's the only urban--and then you have stray cats and dogs. We don't have, unfortunately, squirrels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5210.0,5233.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. Squirrels are really cute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5233.0,5236.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: The best. The best. Mark and I had a guinea pig for a very long time. So we love fluffy, small things, so squirrels are very dear to our hearts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5236.0,5252.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: So how close do you live to 34th Avenue?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5252.0,5256.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I'm right almost on the corner of 77 and 34th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5256.0,5262.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: So you can hear the noises from 34th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5262.0,5265.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah, yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5265.0,5267.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: What were the noises like before the pandemic, before the Open Street?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5267.0,5271.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Cars. Cars and honking. It's a lot more quiet now. I mean, I'm not right on the street, I'm deep enough in on this pathway to the street. And our street itself is pretty busy with cars. So sometimes I associate noises that are maybe not really on 34th and mostly just cross through 77, people on their way to Northern Boulevard, eager to get on the highway. But yeah, I know that some people complain about music and kids playing, but I think they forget that they're humans and that they're supposed to have a good time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5271.0,5328.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5328.0,5331.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I guess if it is out there, I've never noticed it because it hasn't gotten to the point where it bothers me. I do struggle and I have issues with the fireworks, which I don't know or don't think the Open Street has anything to do with, because the Open Street closes at eight. So it's just because I'm close to the park and that's where a lot of times people will do that. But I get it. I mean, I can complain and I suffer privately at home [laughs] but I get it. That's what I mean when I say why the Open Street is so important: people need outlets. Life is complicated. Everybody has their own thing, even if they're 16, there's something going on. And I think the Open Streets gives people, all of us, space and I think it could give more space for self-expression. It's really starting, right. I saw the dancers, right, on the Open Street and they were talking about how it's hard on the feet. And as a designer of public spaces, I was like, \"That is an excellent point.\" We should design dancing stages on public streets in certain communities so dancing troupes and groups can come and use the space with a lot less harm, which could also really be good with water intake. So that's how my mind works. I walk a street just for fun, and then I see something, and then I started designing it for the future, for good or bad. It's a fun obsession to have in many way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5331.0,5454.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: So I want to do a time check cause we've been talking for about an hour and a half.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5454.0,5457.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yep.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5457.0,5457.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Are you okay to talk a little more?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5457.0,5461.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Sure, sure. Yeah, you can move on to one or two more questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5461.0,5468.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Okay. Well, I would love to hear the story of Sandwich Therapy and how you started vending on the Open Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5468.0,5474.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: [Laughs] Yeah. So, I was working on my dissertation during COVID and I was really lucky, I was able to get some teaching jobs. But Mark's life wasn't going as smoothly professionally. There was some stuff right before COVID and he was like, \"You know what? I'm going to try start selling sandwiches.\" We'd been talking about the type of sandwiches for a while, what to put in them and all sorts of stuff, kind of designing the sandwich. And one day he made a few sandwiches and left. He had a thermal bag and a few sandwiches, and I helped him with some signs that we stapled to the bag. And then he went, and as he went out of the house to go to the park, tried to sell, I was like, \"I don't think this is going to work. He just has a bag. What is he going to do? Is he going to sit on the bench? Are people going to stop him, like, what's that? That's not how it works.\" So when he came back a few hours, obviously nobody stopped really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5474.0,5543.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So we talked about it and I was like, \"Listen, we got to get a table. We got to make it a proper vending thing.\" So, quite a while ago, but before that, I really wanted to try and sell my art. I have a lot of art, and I don't have room for all my art. So we bought a foldable table and we had a few things, and we tried it once a long time ago. So we had this foldable table. So you're like, okay, we'll take this out. I took a suitcase, we went to a dollar store, we bought all the stuff we needed, and we went and we opened the table at the park. I don't remember what day it was. And we tried, and we were there. At first, Mark was making the sandwiches at the table, and there was this couple of old ladies that stopped by and they were so supportive and they made all the difference. They would buy one thing, but would leave like extra $20.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5543.0,5623.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5623.0,5625.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: That's really the [unclear], because the beginnings was really hard. Not many people stopped by, not many people bought. We were making pumpkin porridge at the time, as well as sandwiches. It was the fall. And we gave this one lady a taste and she was like, \"Oh my God, that's amazing.\" And then another couple, we gave them a little taste and they came back and said [unclear]. So it kind of kept us going. And it was just consistency. I kept pushing. Mark kept pushing. We'll just keep going every Saturday and Sunday and eventually enough people will know us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5625.0,5672.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So we didn't start on the Open Street. We started right on the park edge. And then somebody called the Parks Department on us. And by then we were doing pretty well. People knew us a little bit. We were selling some stuff every time we were out. The two officers, they were really nice to us. They were just like, \"you have to fold it up, somebody called, and you can't be on park property.\" Now, I'm an urban planner, and I was like, I did the checks, I know where it's legal to vend in the city. So, I didn't realize that the sidewalk around the park is technically park property, so we couldn't be on the sidewalks around the park. So, we moved to the sidewalk across the street. And one of our customers--who actually also drew a hand drawn picture of us from his window and gave it to us as a present. That was really, really emotional for us--was like, \"Why don't you move to the median?\" And I was like, \"Huh, I don't know.\" And then Mark and I, we got home. Usually I'm at the stand and Mark is in the kitchen cooking food. So I'm out there by myself. It was winter. We used to be around until six, until it gets a little bit darker, and I told him, \"I think we should go to the median tomorrow.\" And then we just did it. It worked really well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5672.0,5845.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And I kind of looked into it a little bit more, and I was like, \"I think, because it's such an unknown part of the public space, we may be more legally protected.\" Like one, we're next to the park, so we don't bother as much like the residential area. They're like, \"Oh my God, you're making this place into a commercial street.\" Right? And second, because we're not on the park, we're not blocking the sidewalk, we're blocking unused space. So we stuck to it. I think it worked better for us. More people saw us and we got to talk to more people, interact with more people. And like I mentioned earlier, I love hanging out on the Open Streets and just looking in all directions and seeing everybody going and biking. So yeah, that was our kind of start. Started in September of last year. So we're getting near to a year soon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5800.0,6045.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: When you tell the story, you just said kind of matter-of-factly, like, [laughs] \"Yeah, so Mark just made sandwiches and tried to just sell them.\" So why sandwiches?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5872.0,5886.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I have no clue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5886.0,5888.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5888.0,5888.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I don't know. I don't know. Some of it is ease, obviously. Cause I asked Mark about this. I'm not a huge sandwich person, but Mark was like, \"It's street food, so it has to be something easy to eat.\" Mark says, and I found that out a bit recently: So Sandwich Therapy, the shorthand, the acronym is \"ST,\" which is the shorthand of how I spell my name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5888.0,5923.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Awww.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5923.0,5923.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I don't know if it was on purpose, but yeah, it's very romantic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5923.0,5927.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: That's really cute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5927.0,5929.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. Yeah. Mark was trained, technically, as a clinical social worker. So that's where the therapy comes from. And the sandwiches, we talked about \"What can we do? What do we know how to make? What can we make different and delicious that doesn't exist here in Jackson Heights?\" And I think sandwich just worked well for Mark's capabilities at the time and the logistics of the whole thing. Because we don't come from a food background. You know, we both worked in the food industry. I waited tables a long time and was a bartender for a little bit. And Mark did a lot of bartending in his life so he's very, very familiar with the industry, but was never in the role of the cook. Not really, not seriously.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=5929.0,6003.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Hmm. So he didn't have any experience cooking for others before?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6003.0,6010.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Not in this level. No. It's all COVID training, lots of research at home, lots of practice. We cooked once or twice for some friends during COVID, which I think helped with his confidence a little bit. We went to some friends and we had a potluck dinner, he cooked in their kitchen, and they liked his food. That really helped with like, \"Okay, maybe strangers will like it as well.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6010.0,6045.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And he must have liked cooking before this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6045.0,6050.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: That's the thing. Absolutely not [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6050.0,6053.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6053.0,6053.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I mean, the thing is, I also wasn't a huge cooking fan until we moved to Jackson Heights, when we got a little bit more into cooking. And then at one point Mark was tired of my cooking, cause I'm not a very good cook, [laughs] so he started cooking a bit more. But not even in terms of the hobby. It's just like cooking for cooking. We would watch occasional cooking shows, but nothing like now. It's like half of his bookcase. And I wouldn't call it an obsession, but it's his new passion. He's very focused on it and curious about it and exploring. He completely took over the kitchen. We reorganized the cabinets to his preferences. We have more spices that I know what they mean. But yeah, oddly enough, it was during COVID, just kind of spiked up and became a really big part of our lives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6053.0,6131.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah, that's so funny. I never would have guessed that he wasn't into cooking before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6131.0,6138.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: He was very much into eating, and his mother was a very, very good cook. And he was always passionate about her food and about Georgian food in general.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6138.0,6152.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Is his mom Georgian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6152.0,6157.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: She is. Mark was born in Georgia, and only came to Israel when he was seven. We have that kind of in common, that kind of double immigrant experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6157.0,6174.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. Does he use his mom's recipes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6174.0,6179.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Often times they are a point of start and point of inspiration, and he still references a lot of Georgian recipes, both by more traditional books, as well as a lot of contemporary stuff that people put on YouTube. I mean, today everybody's sharing recipes everywhere, and what's cool is that he can watch the Russian and Georgian recipes and understand them, so he uses that often.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6179.0,6211.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. Cool. So can you talk about the things that Sandwich Therapy sells? It's not just sandwiches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6211.0,6223.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yes, yes, yes. We do cookies. We do chocolate chip cookies and now also like a Georgian cookie that's walnut and almonds, which I am absolutely obsessed about. It's a [crosstalk] --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6223.0,6244.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: I love the chocolate tahini cookie. I think that's like, so amazingly delicious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6244.0,6250.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I mean, they are also very good. I'm just not that much into chocolate, which I know, I feel odd saying that. So, we do desserts. During the winter, Mark used to do also like cheesecake brownies. Those are also really good. Then sometimes--we haven't done that in a while, but especially during the middle of COVID and the winter, we would try to do something new every week, so we would do like peach cookies. Um, what else? Oh, and a Georgian dessert that's like pelamushi, which is like a really weird kind of Jell-O. So, we do a little bit of desserts. We do a little bit of sandwiches and then we do a few kinds of salads. They're also like a little bit Georgian, like Olivier salad, the Russian potato salad, but with our own Mediterranean twist; we use pickles, and there's no ham in it. Most of our menu in general is vegetarian. Sometimes, especially in the winter, we did the pumpkin porridge, which is like, from what Mark tells me, it's like 600 years old. And he used to grow up on that food. And it's funny because when he first made it to me as well, I was like, \"Okay, this is nice. Let's try it.\" But the more he made, the more the dish improved, and now it sells out every time we have it. And it is just really, really good. So, that's kind of the mix. We're thinking about expanding a little bit more, exploring what else can we do within that range. Mark, especially, started to bake his own bread and some pitas, kinda expressing his interest in these foods in the context of Jackson Heights. Cause that's the fun part, like in potato salad we use a Indian mustard that's right here in the neighborhood. Just also, I don't think we would have been able to make this kind of food in any other neighborhood, because here we can get to all these places to get some really out there ingredients you don't traditionally find places here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6250.0,6411.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: So it's influenced by Mark's roots and Georgian cooking from that area of the world, and then also all the many influences that are in Jackson Heights.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6411.0,6427.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6427.0,6427.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And you mentioned that in the beginning, you were trying to think of things that are delicious and that don't exist in Jackson Heights. Everyone talks about the food in Jackson Heights and how you can find anything from all parts of the world, but yeah, I don't know of other Israeli or Georgian places. Are there any in Jackson Heights?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6427.0,6446.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: There used to be a small Russian deli where the cheese store is on 35th Ave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6446.0,6456.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: On 37th?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6456.0,6456.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: On 37th, yes, sorry. I always mix those two up. On 37th, and they were so great. They had a bunch of both Russian and a few Israeli products sometimes, and every Friday they would have home cooked food. It was really lovely. They didn't close because of COVID or anything like that, but they decided to shut down. That's why we really wanted--when we were thinking about, \"Oh, what are we going to do? We're in Jackson Heights, there's so much food here.\" So we really wanted to find something unique. And we thought about the stuff that we like to eat at home, where we merge all these cultures together that are based on his kind of Mediterranean and Eastern European roots. We thought that other people will be into that as well. Cause it's a lot of things that people in this neighborhood enjoy eating already, just in slightly different configurations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6456.0,6526.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. And so have you done any cooking or baking for Sandwich Therapy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6526.0,6533.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I do the prep work. I cut up all the veggies. So all the salads people eat, that's all me. And I pack all the stuff, the boxes and things like that. But otherwise, it's my art that I put out there. Maybe one day in the future, I'll make some of my dolmas. I make pretty good dolmas, but it's a lot of work, and with all my other jobs, I just haven't had the time [laughs]. So, yeah. Yeah. I think [unclear] being in the table and helping out with all the--I'm kind of the sous-chef, \"What do you need?\" And then I clean dishes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6533.0,6571.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah, that's a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6571.0,6571.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: The bane of my existence. Yes. Dishes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6571.0,6579.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: [Laughs] Yeah. And how is it going, selling your artwork?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6579.0,6584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: It's been slow. It's been slow, but I just enjoy even sharing it, people stopping by and looking at it. I did sell a few pieces, which was exciting and still weird, you know? But, yeah. Well, you know, I haven't really pushed it too much, and we've never even published in our Instagram about the art. It's just there with the food, although we want to, we never got around to it. So maybe we'll do that eventually. But part of it, for me, it's almost like a mini exhibit. I don't mind that they're not being sold. I mean, I'd love to, cause I would love to have more space to make new art. But I'm also enjoying just them seeing the light of day. Maybe someone seeing it and saying, \"Ooh, that's cool.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6584.0,6648.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And I imagine people come and talk to you about it, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6648.0,6654.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah, sometimes, sometimes. I had one time this guy that we really went into a long debate about art. And sometimes people share with me if they went to a museum. We talked about different color types. Yeah. Yeah. It's been nice and I like it. I have abstract art. I do a lot of color paintings, but basically I'm pretty obsessed with color in my art. So it's a lot of like different shapes, and it's more kind of abstract. Then I have this series of small cartoons that I call \"egg buddies\" and it's basically an egg-looking thing, usually not doing much, just looking into other people. I have some that are surfing, I have some with balloons. It's like a really mixed arts kind of stuff. A bunch of people bought some of those, which has been really fun. And kids like them, too. So I really enjoy when kids come in and point or ask what something is, especially the abstract work is like, \"What is it?\" It's like, \"Whatever you want it to be.\" I enjoy confusing people, especially young children [laughs]. Yeah, that's been really fun. Just kinda having people look at it and comment on them and just even like look at all the egg buddies and be like, \"Oh, that's funny.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6654.0,6761.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Cool. So yes, it is getting late, so I don't want to keep you too long.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6761.0,6769.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. I also talked to day from like 9:00 AM.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6769.0,6773.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Oh, okay. Well thank you so much for doing this interview. I would really, really love to do a follow-up interview because I want to hear so much more about your experiences and your customers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6773.0,6785.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Mmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6785.0,6785.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah, we will talk again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6785.0,6788.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6788.0,6788.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: But before we wrap up today, is there anything that I didn't ask about that you would like to include for this first interview?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6788.0,6798.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Uh, no. No. I think we covered a lot, but thank you so much. This was really fun to also get a chance to reflect about all these things. I enjoyed [crosstalk]--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6798.0,6808.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: It was so interesting. Thank you. Yeah, I enjoyed it too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6808.0,6813.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. Right, right. So have a good night and definitely be in touch about the [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729#t=6813.0,6819.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196729/transcript/44989/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yes. Okay. We will be. Thanks again. 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Today is April 12th, 2022. This interview is for the 34th Avenue Open Street Oral History project, and it will be archived with Queens Memory. Thank you for participating in this second interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=0.0,15.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Thanks for inviting me. This is really interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=15.0,18.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. I really enjoyed our first interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=18.0,21.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=21.0,21.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And one thing, we talked about the pandemic a bit and how that experience was for you, but I would love to hear more about that. So if we can go back to 2020, or maybe even 2019 might have been when you first heard about coronavirus--do you remember?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=21.0,42.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I definitely didn't hear about it in 2019. I remember I was flying to Israel in January for an interview at the German consulate with my family. And I remember I met a bunch of friends. We went to eat, um, that thing, deep bread and cheese--fondue. It was a fondue restaurant, and we hung out and it was really nice. And it was on the 31st of 2019, cause I remember cause the restaurant was really close to Times Square and we were walking to get the subway and everything was getting closed, you know, with the barricades [for New Years Eve celebrations]. And so many people were showing up. And two of us were living in Brooklyn. I was in Queens, another one in New Jersey. So we were all like, We gotta get out now [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=42.0,108.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And then I was like, I'll see you guys later when I get back, and I flew to Israel, still not fully aware of this really happening at all. I don't remember hearing the term \"COVID\" even. I come back, go back to work. I'm about to go to spring break. My dad decides to visit, we go to one of the last NBA games before they shut down. My dad and I go to a movie. I mean, I hear about something going on, so I buy, like, extra tissue and some hand sanitizer to have with me in my bag, but that's it, you know. I have a friend, a colleague in my department at the time, she's from China originally. So she was talking about it, and she was talking about the previous pandemic that they had and how she had to, like, shut down the bath, the toilet, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=108.0,175.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And I was like, at the time, I really didn't think it was that serious. I really bought into the information--well that, the first few months, you know, that it was kind of comparable to flu at the time. But I think the moment I really understood that things were serious was when the NBA [National Basketball Association]--the team, I don't remember which team it was, but they just didn't go on court and they stopped NBA. And then you were like, okay, so things are serious and it is here. And then we just shut ourself down. You know, they shut down my school. That semester I was working in the woodshop of the university, which is kind of weird, you know, to put a PhD-er on that kind of job. But it's a weird school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=175.0,231.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: What do you do there in the woodshop?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=231.0,233.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Well, so you just help students print, uh, laser cutter. So we operate basically three laser cutters. Most of the time it was pretty empty. I had good hours that most of the students don't come in at. So it was nice. I could work on my dissertation. People would stop by, I would help them. It wasn't that bad. But then there wasn't a job anymore. I mean, they kept paying me, which I really appreciate that they never, you know, they just kept paying me. They didn't really ask me to--I don't think they asked me to do anything, to be honest. Wow, 2020, it feels like it was ages. And then I was working, that first summer I was actually involved in a conference, an online conference with a bunch of researchers from all over the world from a research network.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=233.0,299.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: In social science, crisis is an opportunity. So like six months in after we were in the pandemic, it was fresh still, everybody were quarantined. This was the time, you know, there were lines to go to the supermarket, pre-vaccine. So I was home. I'm an introvert kinda, or 80% introvert, and I enjoyed it, I'm afraid to say publicly, but yeah, I didn't have any issues with being locked down. I did drive myself crazy. I mean, I counted all--we collect quarters and small change, right? Counted all the quarters. Like, I have pictures of--I kind of looked at all the different ones I had, like, did I have all the quarters of the states? I rebuilt--I have a bunch of Lego sets. I have a Lego set of Fallingwater by Frank Lloyd Wright. So I rebuilt that Lego set and then I took it apart. Uh, what else did I do? There was this trend of redoing pieces of art from objects. I didn't post anything cause it was horrible, but I was playing around with that here. So I was, you know, I was like, I needed to occupy myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=299.0,402.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: But I had a good time. I was used to talking to my family via video and Skype. I actually saw people more online in that first year I think, or the first six months, than I usually do. Some of my friends downloaded the app Houseparty and you know, but it was too much for me. I stopped attending a lot of things. Everybody kind of tapered down as well. You know, everybody, you didn't really want to talk to, not strangers, but kind of really went inwards. And then we also became so busy. Sandwich Therapy, everything else. 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So instead of doing it face to face, I ended up doing it online, which was interesting. I was the first one in my department to do anything online.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=472.0,489.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Oh wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=489.0,490.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So we had to figure it all out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=490.0,493.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Esthi, I'm just gonna move your mic, cause it's like rubbing against the cardigan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=493.0,497.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Oh no. Yeah. I was worried that might happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=497.0,502.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Okay. You have the distinction of being the first person to--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=502.0,506.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: In our department--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=506.0,506.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: --defend online--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=506.0,508.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah, defend online.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=508.0,509.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Which then became the norm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=509.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. Then everybody did it. But it was not, you know, it was weird cause, unlike face to face, it was no hanging out after, it was just like goodbye, and then it was like, here. But yeah, and then I ended up starting to teach online. Just kind of really just threw me into the water. They also allowed me to teach my own course. So I kind of wrote up something that was very related to COVID, that was based on a social scientist, Bruno Latour, he had these six questions on the pandemic, because there was also--the quarantine, the pandemic brought to light some good stuff. You know, people enjoyed not having to commute to work. People enjoyed having more times with their families and having more control over their schedules.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=510.0,591.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So it was kind of a design studio that asks students to reflect like, what do you wanna keep and how do we design for a future that maintains that? It was okay. It's a tough topic to teach. I think I'll teach it better now. But it was interesting. Yeah. I never got COVID, none of my immediate family back in Israel got COVID. I had one friend who got COVID very lightly. So it was very real for me, but also didn't really affect me personally. Like, I got affected from the infrastructural failure of our society.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=591.0,643.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And I think I also kinda post-2020--I always thought, you know, all we need is a crisis as a society. If we have a crisis, it will get our shit together and we will, you know, be able to face the climate crisis. We can better our society, readjust our values and all that jazz. And then we didn't. It actually is kind of getting worse. I don't know. I think that was harder for me. The reason I really enjoyed COVID kind of was, pre-COVID I was in an absolute state of panic over the climate crisis. I just, you go out every day and it's like, the house is on fire, literally, and nobody seems to notice or care. And you kind of have to keep playing the system. And then COVID came, and then everybody panicked and everybody were anxious, and I was like, \"La la la.\" [Laughs] Finally, you know how it feels. So yeah, now the opposite is happening because all of this return to the world as it was pre-COVID and worse, coupled with all the reports that are coming out now with the climate crisis, yeah, it's very depressing. And I kind of miss quarantine a little bit. Life was easier when you couldn't go anywhere. The air was more breathable. The government paid us to stay home. It was nice. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=643.0,775.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. I remember also at the beginning of the pandemic feeling really scared, but also hopeful that things were being shaken up in society and that, you know, we wouldn't go back to status quo and we would reexamine the way that we're living. And yeah, looking back, it was kind of foolishly optimistic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=775.0,804.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I think I had a professor once call me naive. And I think there's a line between bravery and stupidity. You know, at one point, are you being brave, and in one point--you're only stupid if you don't succeed. Right? Otherwise you're just brave. But I think it's the same, a little bit, with naive and stupid. We're only being silly cause it's not working. Yeah, I guess I'm still naive, I still sometimes--you know, I can't imagine that the same species that creates art and music and a bunch of really beautiful things can't get themselves together to continue to exist. You know, you read--it's a pretty depressing time period. I mean, not that there hasn't been depressing time periods before, but this post-COVID is really weird. Weirder for me than COVID itself was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=804.0,886.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Mm. How so?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=886.0,888.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Cause again, I finally had time to spend with my husband for the first time in almost ever since we've been together. We had a home, we were able to pay rent. Yes, it was very stress--we had a lot of money stresses. But I knew I wasn't gonna end up on the street. So, it was just kind of an okay time period, you know. And yes, all the struggles and everything, but we survived, and we also proved to ourselves that we can survive. You know, we started a business, we started Sandwich Therapy. I was able to continue to teach. Sure, I screwed up my dissertation deadline three times, but there was also a pandemic along the way. So I'm gonna keep with that excuse [laughs]. But yeah. I don't know why now is weirder, but it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=888.0,951.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. You said that you know one person who got COVID. You're talking about in 2020, or even now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=951.0,970.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Even now. I mean, all my students had COVID cause they're so irresponsible. Like I think 90% of them. But yeah, most of my people in a bubble of really safe people--I don't know, safe, lucky, a combination of the two. Yeah. But how many people I know? I know like five people, so I wouldn't really take it as too much of a sign. Yeah. My actual social circle of people I consider are like, \"Oh, I really know them,\" is very small.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=970.0,1011.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. A lot of my friends and people in my family got COVID, and interestingly, there doesn't seem to be that much correlation between how careful people are--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1011.0,1023.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Oh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1023.0,1025.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: #NAME?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1025.0,1025.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Right. Right. So I don't know, like, I didn't go anywhere besides, like, the supermarket, and then I would be just outside for Sandwich Therapy. And then when I started teaching, I always had my mask on. But yeah, I think I was just mostly lucky. You know, we don't have big families here, so we didn't have, like, family events. We really didn't do anything, really nothing, until post-vaccination. Maybe one event that I was like, \"No, I have to get out of New York,\" and friends of mine who are New Jersey were having a party and I was like, \"I have to go.\" But I think even that one was after vaccinations. Yeah. And that was the first time that I saw some people, we didn't have masks on, and I hugged this friend that I haven't seen in a long time. And I was like, \"Ah, we're all gonna die\" [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1025.0,1088.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Cause still had the COVID fear. Now it's going less and less. Like my school, they don't have the mandatory masks anymore. But because I take a lot of public transit, I still have the mask on. And in school, too, I don't feel comfortable taking it off. I always fear that I did have COVID and I would just have no symptoms and that I'm spreading it to everybody. So I feel just better having the mask on. And I enjoy covering my face. And I mean, I think it's very much related to my anxiety. It's just, it's really, really nice. Nobody bothers you. It's easier to hide with my glasses turning into sunglasses when I'm outside, and a hat. I'm pretty much invisible [laughs]. It's great. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1088.0,1154.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And then you've been spending a lot of time outside with Sandwich Therapy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1154.0,1159.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. Well, I mean, I was actually thinking about it, I think like eight hours a week-ish. Yeah. So not too much, I guess. Cause we're there Saturdays and Sundays, most Saturdays and Sundays, 11[am] to 2 or 3 [pm]. Yeah. So usually even now, usually less than eight hours a week. Sundays are going really well, so usually we'll finish by like 1:30 or 2, which is nice. But yeah, now that the weather is nicer, it's funner, it's more inspiring, and it's like, \"Yay, outside!\" The winter was hard. Some days are harder than others. I hate the wind. The wind is just the worst.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1159.0,1219.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: What does that feel like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1219.0,1222.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: It's just cold, and the noise that it does where it's blowing the canopy always scares me a little bit. I'm always scared the canopy will fly away. It's really annoying. It's just so annoying. Cause also no matter how many--it's just, you can't put anything down, everything flies all the time, all the menus. And I'm not really a perfection--like I'm a perfectionist of my own version, right, of perfect. So I design, I put stuff in the table, I have a certain way and a certain order. And then the wind fucks it all up, and it just drives me crazy. And yeah, I really hate the wind. Rain, slightly better. I mean, still annoying that everything is wet. Cause our canopy, I mean, it helps cover a little bit, but everything else gets wet. But then the combo, wind and rain? Nightmare. And now spring it's like, they call it, what, the spring of deception. It's like the weather doesn't know what it is. So I've had a few really frustrating days that I just can't wait to not be there [laughs]. But yeah, I'm so excited for the summer. Then I can finally complain about being too hot, which I guess now in my older age I can appreciate a lot more than I did in the past. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1222.0,1333.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Now that the weather's getting warmer, how is the feeling or the energy on the Open Street changing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1333.0,1341.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Not yet. Not yet. You know, as Open Street is super active all winter long, you would not--like not much has changed. So in days where it's raining, you will see a bit less people, but there's always people on the Open Street walking, biking, especially because we're out during farmer's market [Jackson Heights Greenmarket] hours. Rain or shine, everybody comes to the farmer's market. Um, I think we'll see more kids. That may be the difference, cause they're at school, but that hasn't started yet. Yeah. It's just gonna be hotter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1341.0,1386.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Hmm. Yeah. Being outside for three hours, or even like--in the wintertime, I just basically am only outside going from one place to another; I don't just park myself outside. So how do you prepare for that? Like, what kind of things do you bring with you, or do, or wear to keep warm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1386.0,1412.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. So, I mean, winter is a challenge. Usually what we do is, Mark usually replaces me after two hours for a few, for like 15 minutes. I come here [to my apartment], I hang out. Depending on how cold it is, I have a coffee. Sometimes if I miscalculated how cold I was going to be, I have a hot water bottle that I fill up and I put underneath my coat. Really helps. Lots of layers. Just lots of layers, hats, gloves. I have a removable battery, and I tried--I bought like a heater, and I was hoping to use it as an outlet. Didn't work. And I was gonna buy a heating lamp, but who had the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1412.0,1425.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So now it's summer. I'll be fine. But yeah, just a lot of layers. I drink a lot of the tea that not as many people buy. So it keeps me warm. When there's no wind or rain and it's just cold, I call my parents, I talk to them. Or I read. I have a book, I try to read if I don't have too many customers. Sometimes if the weather's, again, no wind or rain, I'll bring my laptop out. With the cold it's hard. My fingers will freeze up. So it's easier in better seasons. But yeah. And then I just stare. Listen to music. Worry about my to-do list. The usual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1425.0,1533.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: You mentioned staring.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1533.0,1535.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1535.0,1535.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: So what do you look at?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1535.0,1537.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I love looking at the squirrels. It's great. The trees, the people on the Open Street, you know, passing by. There is usually always something interesting happening. Someone yelling, or talking on their phone. Kids playing, you know. I nod to the people that pass by, stare at the sky. Judge people in cars. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1537.0,1583.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And you're always in front of Travers Park, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1583.0,1585.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yes. Yes. Always the same spot, unless on very rare occasions, they would--they had like an event once that somebody put themself where we usually are, so we would move somewhere else. But that's only happened a very few times. And then every time we just moved to wherever. One time we stood right at the intersection of 77 and 34th. And that was really a weird experience. It was right where the cars were driving. That was summer. So, wow, that was a long time ago. I remember because at the time we were using an umbrella, like with rainbow colors, and since then we bought a canopy that you need two people to open. But I don't think it's gonna survive much longer. We're gonna have to figure out something else. I'm thinking about like a bubble, like the COVID ones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1585.0,1653.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Uh-huh, like the restaurants [with outdoor dining during the pandemic].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1653.0,1655.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. Yeah, like a small one, cause then I'll be protected from the wind. I'm very traumatized from the wind right now. I'm sure that through the summer I'll forget about it and then I'll be like, \"Ah, it's fine\" [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1655.0,1673.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. It's funny how the winter is so much windier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1673.0,1678.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Oh my God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1678.0,1679.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah, like why can't we take some of that winter wind and move it to the summertime?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1679.0,1682.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Cause in the summer it's nice, right? The breeze is hotter. It's just, yeah, it ruins everything, makes everything colder.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1682.0,1695.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: So you've been traumatized by the wind?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1695.0,1697.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I have. Yeah. No, because it is rough, like with the noise and being cold and just being frustrated with kind of the wind constantly coming. It just completely ruins my mood and I turn into a very angry person. Like there's no--angry is not the right word for it. It's one of my favorite words in Hebrew, and I've never found an English word that really describes it. It's like being frustrated, but more adorable. I don't know how to explain it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1697.0,1739.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: What is the word in Hebrew?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1739.0,1743.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: [Unclear.] It's almost like being bitter, but again, but like nicer. I don't know how else to--yeah, it's one of my favorite words. But yeah, I'll call it traumatized.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1743.0,1758.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. I can definitely see how that would make you go crazy, just being constantly buffeted by the wind. But yeah, I'm curious about how you share the space with other people and especially other vendors. So I know on the same block as you, there's usually a woman who sells candy and stuff in front of the park. And sometimes--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1758.0,1783.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Nicki [phonetic], I think her name is. Yeah, so we know Nicki and we know her husband, Jeff, and we usually switch the same spot. So they come right as we finish. Well, that's what we used to do. They've moved right in front of the farmer's market. That's what they do now. And she makes desserts and sweets and really, really cool stuff. We've only had, I think one--we've never, like I said, we never had issues really. We've been there so long now that also kind of almost everybody knows that there's somebody there, even if they don't know who we are. Although it's funny, one of our customers was telling us last week or two weeks ago that she tells people in her building about us and it's like, \"What? What are you talking about? Where?\" So it is funny. Like, what do people see and what don't they see? When I think they did like a weird health festival at one point, and they had like--uh, what's the religion that Tom Cruise is part of?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1783.0,1866.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Scientology?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1866.0,1866.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Scientology. They had like a Scientology table, I think. So they kind of put themself up all around where our spot is. So we just joined them, you know, in the line. It doesn't matter to us. But yeah, the median is a funny space, you know, sometimes we come and people will be sitting there and we'll just start putting our stuff together, you know? But we've never had a fight or anything like that. Like I said, usually we'll just go and move to a different spot on a different point in the median. We're not that picky. Cause we could also always post on Instagram and be like, \"We moved for today.\" And sometimes we stay home, like when the weather is too much. Sometimes I'm like, I can do it. But sometimes I'm just like, if it's too many days in a row, it's just also sometimes not worth it. If people want to order, they'll come downstairs to the lobby of our building. So that's what we do. We do every Friday, we do just pickups and deliveries from our building. And then on really bad weather days, you do that, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1866.0,1951.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: When people pick up from your building, do they usually just arrange that with you through Instagram or is that through WoodSpoon [homemade food delivery app]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1951.0,1957.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So Instagram is just people in the neighborhood that live around here and then they come pick up. And then we do use WoodSpoon, but that's really for people outside the neighborhood. We recommend for locals to just do it through Instagram, to not pay the extra. But if people want it delivered to their house, they have to do it through WoodSpoon. We don't deliver, we don't have the manpower. It's just two people. So yeah, I was away for a weekend, so Mark posted on our Instagram that we're short staffed, and a lot of our customers really got a kick out of it. Like, \"You're just two people. How are you--? You're always short staffed.\" I was like, \"Yeah, we know, we know.\" So yeah. I mean, it's been grow--like I said, the past few months it's been going really well, people really enjoy the food and we've been able to be consistent. So I'm pretty happy about that. I have no idea what we're gonna, you know, how long are we gonna be doing this? I have no idea. I think we're starting to the point that we're like, okay, can we, like, how long do we wanna keep doing it in this format? Now that I'm finishing my dissertation, our legal status is gonna change even more. So we'll see how Sandwich Therapy carries onwards. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=1957.0,2055.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Hmm. If you could do it long term in its current iteration, would you want to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2055.0,2065.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Only if I can get like a tiny stall installed on the median where I can have power outlets and I can make some fresh stuff, so we can do some fresh--we can cook maybe certain things over there or like keep them warm, or have a grill. You know, I think something like that, we will jump on an opportunity to commit for longer, but we just, we need more infrastructure. We need more infrastructure. And I will lose my mind if significant changes will not start showing up in the Open Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2065.0,2109.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Like what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2109.0,2109.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Like removal of cars--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2109.0,2113.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: From the parking spaces, you mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2113.0,2114.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. From the parking lane, like the cancellations of those parking lanes. It just ruins the whole space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2114.0,2129.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: How so?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2129.0,2131.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Well, there's just cluttered everywhere. You can't enjoy the trees. Like, I really don't know. People share pictures, \"Look how beautiful the street is.\" And like, all I see is parked cars. I don't find them beautiful, like as an object. And like as an art object, I can maybe appreciate certain designs of vehicles, but the cars on the street is just--again, with the climate crisis and what I, in my professional opinion, as a designer and a researcher think is needed for us to really address the climate crisis and guarantee a future. Like we gotta start doing things. It's been almost three years now, hasn't it? Since the Open Street first started. Oh, since COVID started. So probably less in the Open Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2131.0,2200.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: It's about to be two years. Cause it was--well, they started it in March, but officially it started on May 1st, 2020.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2200.0,2208.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. Okay. So there's still a little bit of time, but there isn't time. But we lack, you know, there's complete lack of political accountability right now. Not just in New York when the federal gov--like all over the world, especially with people in power. You know, when I'm on the Open Street, I get to see those policies live. I get to see sometimes the small fights between the drivers that are so pissed that they had to get out of their car to move the barricade, so they don't move the barricade back, and they make sure that they drive really fast through the street to take their turn. Right? Or the pedestrians that even though a car driver tries to be, you know, somewhat respectable will kind of hit them--the cars, I mean--and will be like, \"No, you're not supposed to be here.\" Or sometimes where a pedestrian will help car drivers and be like, \"Yeah, I'll close the gate for you. Don't worry about it.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2208.0,2291.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah, I've seen both of those types of interactions too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2291.0,2295.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah, yeah. And then you see also the size, some of those cars. It's like, you live in Jackson Heights, what do you do? Where are you driving that you need this size of a car? Um, yeah. And then Teslas are showing up too, which is, I don't like [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2295.0,2324.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: So I'm curious about what you see between pedestrians and drivers on the Open Street, cause yeah, I've witnessed those things, but I don't spend that much time on the Open Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2324.0,2335.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2335.0,2335.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Like how often do you see those interactions, be they positive or negative?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2335.0,2342.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Oh, all the time. All the time. Every day there'll be something. I will also say pedestrians do not respect the bike lane at all. I think it's part--there has to be something psychological about it, that they just love walking in that lane. Even though there's a whole bunch of space. In design, there's this theory about ledges. People love sitting on ledges. Like if you look at public spaces, that's where people hang out. It has to do with safety, something to lean--all the things we can do also on ledges, we can lean, we can, you know. So it also gives us a sense of a space. Right? So I don't know if it's related, but people love to do that. Cars of course will always park on the bike lane, never block the road instead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2342.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I would say--well actually, you know, I see more often the incidents of drivers being frustrated by the Open Street than pedestrians yelling at car drivers. And there's this usual person who just walks around and yells out loud about a lot of things and then yells at people in cars, too. So there's also usuals, kind of. There's a guy that skateboards, no matter what, with loud music back and forth a lot of times. And then there's also a girl that I've seen a few times, especially when it's cold, she skateboards, but she barely wears anything. And I'm always so impressed that she's not freezing, because really she's just like a tiny top and like a sweatshirt and maybe like tiny pants and she's skating and it's like minus two degrees. I was like, what? [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2400.0,2467.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: But yeah, I guess it's kind of merges, the behavior merges a little bit. But it's very repetitive, too. Something funny. Alright. So, you know, I always reflected in movies, especially American hero movies, you have groups of people all walking right next to each other, like five people all walking right next to each other [abreast]. And I was always like, nobody walks like this, that's bullshit. But then on the Open Street, people walk like that all the time. You see families of fours and fives, and they have the space. So they're all just walking like in a straight row. And I love that. It's really funny.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2467.0,2516.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: You see a lot of kids learning to bike or scooting. And I mean, I think there's really quality parenting in Jackson Heights cause there's a lot of independence for the kids. And the parents don't yell for the kids to stop before the light. They just kind of, like, they remind them to stop, but you could see that the kids are kind of knowledgeable about how to use the street safety. Most of the times. So a lot of repeating kind of characters, I guess. They should do a documentary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2516.0,2579.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Maybe they will.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2562.0,2563.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2563.0,2567.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: It's interesting what you're saying about people being drawn to ledges and how people tend to walk in the bike lane, even though there's these clear signs, you know, like a picture of a bike and an arrow pointing to the right, a picture of a person walking, arrow pointing to the left. But yeah, people just tend to walk to the right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2567.0,2589.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I think they really like the lines.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2589.0,2591.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: I think part of it too is probably that--like, so if we're walking on a crowded sidewalk, and someone's passing us, we move to the right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2591.0,2602.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2602.0,2603.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Which is mimicking traffic rules. When I lived in Japan, that was the first time I became aware of how people walk on the streets similar to the way that cars move. Because in Japan, everyone moves to the left. If you're going up an escalator, you know, in New York people stand on the left and walk up on the right--or the opposite?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2603.0,2623.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: No, no. In New York we stand on the right. So they're like the British, they do it like the British?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2623.0,2631.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yes. Yeah, they drive on the right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2631.0,2632.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So you stand on the left and you walk on the right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2632.0,2635.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yes. And so I just became aware of it in Japan cause I was, you know, just without thinking of it naturally going to the right. And in Japan, everyone goes to left, and then I would be in the way. And I was like, oh yeah, even the way we walk is following the rules of traffic. And I wonder if that's cause we're just used to moving in that way. I wonder if that has to do with people walking in bike lanes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2635.0,2665.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: It could be, it very much could be. I don't know. I had never read anything about it and I haven't thought about it too much. I have just, I've been reading this really interesting book that talks about--part of the introduction was talking about the origin of the term traffic and what it used to mean in the past. But yeah, it's interesting. It's all changed behavior, you know, but I think you're right about the going to the right as using the road. But it's weird because you have a whole big area right there. That's also part of the argument, why painted bike lanes are really not bike lanes. Because paint is not a barrier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2665.0,2719.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And that's, you know, like in 2012, after [Janette] Sadik-Khan [former commissioner of NYC Department of Transportation] kind of stepped down, we had [Mayor Bill] de Blasio come in and a new Department of Transportation commissioner, nothing moved. We are in the same bike system we were eight years ago-ish. And yeah, it's a problem. I mean, yes, there's a lot of bikers in the Open Street, but they can't necessarily bike on the bike lane. There's also a bunch of scooters, not kick scooters, but like the Vespa scooters, which wanna use the Open Street in the bike lane. But it's kind of weird because they're slightly too strong to really be on the bike lane. I mean, maybe. I'm putting a question mark here, because I'm not sure. I think there's this--okay, so there's the term micromobility, right? So that's a term that describes all the different, small tools like the bicycles and e-scooters and the one circle [Onewheel] thing and all the different kind of individual mobility tools. So where does that stop? Motorcycle definitely is not a micro mobility tool. Mm, but I think the Vespas are. You know, they're slow. Yeah, they cause more damage than a bicycle. If we limit their speed to allow them to use the Open Streets. No. But yeah, it's a different, different debate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2719.0,2851.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: So now for the bike lanes, it's just a painted single line, right, that demarcates the space for the bikes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2851.0,2859.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2859.0,2859.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: What do you think bike lanes should be like? What would you like to see on the Open Street?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2859.0,2863.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Double the bike lanes. I mean, in terms of--so, okay. So like, one idea is for the Open Street to be still a semi-transit corridor for pedestrians and bikers. If we're looking at it as that kind of corridor to support circulation, I would say we need to remove the parking lanes, make the bike lanes basically a size of a lane and a half, and protect them, meaning physical barrier, including between the sidewalk and the bike lane and the bike lane and the rest of the roadway. If it's temporarily, you know, that it's pedestrianized, but allows vehicular traffic for locals and emergency vehicles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2863.0,2924.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Then there's the idea that the Open Street should be a park. If it's gonna be a park, a protected bike lane is not necessarily ideal. Maybe it's better to protect it through more park-like features. I would argue that we'll have to remove the median, so the pedestrian space is a bit more central. And that way we can protect the bike lanes with things that people can sit on instead of just a barrier. So it kind of plays to the park part.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2924.0,2965.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Part of the issue in these design questions is where you only have one Open Street. So all the things that we need and we as a society and as a community specifically here in Jackson Heights, there's a lot of needs for the community. So trying to fit them all on this one road, one street, is really complicated. Which is why I really think that I really appreciate the push that we have, that we have linear park people, we have the coalition of the 34th Avenue [34th Ave Open Streets Coalition]. But we also need the people that push further, that are like, Let's pedestrianize another street, let's add a bike highway on Northern Boulevard and shorten it at least one or two car lanes, let's make 35th [Avenue], let's pedestrianize, it's a commercial space. Let's pedestrianize 83rd [Street]. I mean, even though there's buses going through them, so maybe we can reroute them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=2965.0,3047.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: But that's the thing. This is like, you need a DOT [Department of Transportation] commissioner that believes in this change and that commissioner needs the support of its mayor. And we do not have that now, even though we have a mayor [Eric Adams] who is a cyclist, which was my dream. I was like, okay, there's a lot of things that people didn't love about his history. And I was like, you know what, he's a biker. So hopefully, you know, first hundred days he's gonna announce like an amazing bike lane and he'll be known as the bicycling mayor. But that doesn't seem to be his interest. You know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3047.0,3094.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: It's already been a very brutal year for pedestrians and cyclists in terms of crashes and deaths. And it's just after COVID, after, I mean, so many people died during COVID, but also so many people die in car crashes all the time. And New York is baby steps compared to what's going on in Arizona, in Texas, like that pedestrian infrastructure rarely exists. And more than 300 kids die a year in car crashes. Just that, like almost 5,000 people overall in the country. And I think that's just the pedestrians, like it's almost 4,000 a year, I think. And it's just really frustrating cause it's also, we have data that connects cars, their infrastructure, and the use of them to our mental wellbeing, to our physical wellbeing, to asthma, to health, to heart diseases, just so many things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3094.0,3189.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And on the other hand, cars and the companies that produce them fund so much of our lives. If no car companies are around, who's gonna fund sports? Right? You know, you open the TV, every other commercial is a car commercial, and the cars now are monsters, like huge vehicles. So, yeah, I don't know. I think last time we interviewed, I told you that usually when I teach, I'm a little bit extra optimistic cause I kind of have to be. But I feel with all my dissertation stuff and some other immigration related things, I'm slowly struggling with maintaining that optimism, even when I teach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3189.0,3253.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I've had an interesting conversation with a student. I require a bit of printing from my students and I had a student that every time I would require certain amount of work and printing, he will never show up with all of it. And one day, I guess I was angry enough, I think I went up to him and I was like, \"So are you either not paying attention to my instructions on purpose? Are you not reading them, or you choosing to ignore them?\" So he was like, \"Well, I just don't think it's sustainable to print.\" So like, you're arguing about one 11 by 17 [piece of paper] as non-sustainable. So I told him, \"Look, first, I saw you throwing away previous paper that you could have reused for draft. So if you're really serious about being sustainable about paper, go all the way. Right? And be very conscious, every piece of paper you do use, reuse it. And then second, do you drive a car?\" Of course he drives a car. He lives in New Jersey. Right? So you don't talk to me about a piece of paper you don't want to print.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3253.0,3328.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And that's the problem in the US. There is a very big misunderstanding of what is sustainable. People assume that because they live somewhere that they look outside and it's all green, that it equals sustainable. Even though they need to get in an SUV to go and just buy groceries. Right? You and I, we live in a neighborhood that you don't see green, but we are significantly more sustainable than anybody living in New Jersey. Maybe not so much people like maybe in Newark or Jersey City. Right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3328.0,3367.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: But yeah, I don't know, like, the last report from the United Nations [the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report was released on April 4, 2022] shortened the time period yet again that we have to respond. And I really believe that through the elimination of cars, we can make significant progress. I mean there's a lot of other big item, big system things, to do with energy, to do with our economy. But we can't make those changes without also dealing with our car addiction. But it's hard. Yeah. They're everywhere, just everywhere. I was watching a big Pixar movie and even in Pixar, in imaginary worlds, they're cars. It's just really insane. How many are they?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3367.0,3435.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: There's even a movie where all the characters are cars.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3435.0,3439.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Three of them. Yes. Which is really, really interesting, this process of humanizing cars, which is the cultural phenomenon. So if you read the news, they don't talk about drivers hitting pedestrians. It's usually a car hits a ped--right? There's a lot of language in it, but part of it is also the design of cars is made to look to have a face a little bit. And to associate it, we associate certain cars of being more muscular than other, more feminine than other. People name their cars. It's all related. Yeah. That movie Cars will haunt me forever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3439.0,3488.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Oh no [laughs]. So you mentioned changes that you would like to see on the Open Street, like one getting rid of the park lane or the parking spots, having more protected bike lanes. Are there other changes that you would like to see on 34th Avenue?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3488.0,3504.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Oh yeah. I think a lot of the asphalt should be removed in some of the spaces and we should have some--I love the idea of dangerous play space for kids. So I just want sand and some boulders and some space that they can be messy. Again though, what is this? Is this a street for circulating people? Then probably not as much playgrounds. But maybe looking at it a bit more, like not block by block, cause it's a bit too short, maybe two blocks at a time, and then doing like a little bit survey with that community and seeing what they need. Because you know, in some places maybe they need a playground, right? There's the bit in 93, right, that's where they have a lot of the kids' stuff [programs for kids that the 34th Ave Open Streets Coalition organizes]. I'm assuming, cause it's right next to a school, but there could be some places maybe that there's more adult communities that all they want is a mini library and a bunch of tables and chairs, or more convenient for more elderly people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3504.0,3580.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Just, I think that's really gonna be only that. I really wanna see street space converted into constructed lots. I wanna see housing. I wanna see a new type of commercial spaces, like what's called micro commercial spaces. You know how if you walk all around 34th, there's no business in sight. There's no even spaces for businesses, cause zoning really works--like, very rarely is there mixes of uses. And we have to add the mix in order to survive, to create cities without cars. So I really think that's part of the thing as well. Public restrooms, too. Public restroom, every four blocks. More trash cans. And yeah, I mean, I'll start with that. I'm sure some people will probably--someone will say a dog park. That's very necessary in our neighborhood. I think it would be really cool if we had a pool, you know, or some kind of space that functioned depending on the season, you know, by season. But again, we need to convert some road space, cause that's all we got. Um, I think that's mostly my list. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3580.0,3687.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And if there were micro commercial spaces, that could be a space that Sandwich Therapy could occupy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3687.0,3692.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Exactly. I would love to participate in a pilot like that. So you know how in the city they have the Christmas booths, so you can do something like--and those are temporarily right? The temporarily stuff that they put in winter, when the weather is the worst. So clearly that's the thing, that a lot of--and that's what I kind of try to study in my dissertation. A lot of the visions of the future we absorb are being produced by companies with an agenda to sell us something. So they have a reason to keep cars and their technologies in that vision. The thing is that the vision that we really need includes all of those technologies, absolutely. They're way in the background. And most of the stuff that really are gonna form the future are stuff we've known for decades. It's how we do everything, you know, especially in New York. They know how to do temporary stuff. I think that's what's even more frustrating, that it's--I really don't think it's such a difficult transition. And there's so much proof of the improve of life quality, and how--there's this great graph on congestion charges that shows public perception before congestion charge and six months after, and six months after everybody loves it. It's just the before it passes that you have public outrage. I think it's very much the same with the Open Street stuff. Even though we still have a group of opposition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3692.0,3818.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Do you ever engage with that group or like--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3818.0,3822.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: No, no. I'm not in Facebook and they will never approach us. I mean, in the past we've had very few interactions. But no, no. I see no point. If they'll come to me, sure, I'll fight them. But really for me, the thing is every time I mention climate change, that's my first argument. I get it. You need a car. I'm sorry. It's hard. But I already can't have kids cause I just can't mentally deal with having a baby and then when they grow up telling them, \"Welcome to planet earth. Everything's on fire. I knew everything was on fire and I still brought you here.\" So for me that's like a big no-no. But I have friends who are having kids. And I like the planet, you know, I think it's amazing. So I do wanna change it, but I don't feel like it will help engaging them, because they're so blocked in--I mean some of the excuses, it's just, I don't think there's any logic to it, so I avoid it for now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3822.0,3906.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Also I think with Sandwich Therapy, I always fear, you know, I'm not in my own backyard. Like, getting arrested here is not the same if I would get arrested in Israel. In my last visit to Israel, I really realized that, even though I hadn't been there for more than 12 years, I just sat down in a park right next to one of the military bases in the middle of Tel Aviv and I was rolling a joint. And I was like, I would never do this in New York. Even though it's kind of pretty legal and I have a medical license and everything, no way I would ever do it in New York. But in Israel I just, I feel like I have a lot more power. I know how to--I feel I'm understood. So here there's that fear of conflict that I'm always afraid to get engaged in, especially because the oppositions are known for calling the police often. So yeah, and I can't. And I left Facebook pre-pandemic, I think. I didn't delete it, but I logged out. I'm not the kind of person that handles the social media format really well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=3906.0,4009.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: You said the opposition is known for calling police. Do you mean on street vendors? What have you heard about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4009.0,4015.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So, not necessarily street vendors, although there are rumors that the ice cream truck called on street vendors. Nobody likes the ice cream trucks. They're very noisy. They keep idling. The car is always on when they're there, and nobody likes them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4015.0,4041.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. So there's the ice cream ice cream truck that is always parked right by Travers Park.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4041.0,4046.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Right. Yeah. So we believe they called on us when we--I think we talked about it, we started at the park, and we believe they called on us. So I don't know if you have--there's like a Citizen app [a personal safety app that sends users location-based safety alerts in real time]. Right? So if you notice, there's been an uptick in reported incidents, unconfirmed, reported incidents on the Open Street. Like, really weird stuff. Like, you know, somebody stole a bracelet. And you see sometimes police cars showing up and then just hanging out there for a bit and then leaving. So they probably got a call about something. And I can't imagine, I mean, I don't know. That's just what we think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4046.0,4068.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: They [anti-Open Streets groups] had a time period that they were putting up signs on cars, right before the winter. But yeah, I mean, they know that they're outnumbered, but they still feel like they are being unheard. And again, the climate crisis, I just can't. You know, I have a friend who's originally from Sri Lanka and people are dying waiting in line for food. And then these people just want to keep their parking. So it's just not, it doesn't feel like it's really worth the effort. I feel like it's better to push forward with finding the ideas, what people do want, and just do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4068.0,4164.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: There's also, in my professional opinion, I do not think the current format of community engagement is actually productive in gaining community engagement. Community needs to be involved in design, which it's still not. Design is brought to communities, and it's kind of twisted in a way that the community can give feedback, but oftentimes very limited. What they do now, they do ask the community intake on program, which is where I think they're wrong. It should be switched. The city needs to come with program and say, \"Sorry, no more parking. This is bike lanes. Pedestrians only. Let's meet and talk about the pedestrian space. What do you want? You want a bath?\" And then do it actually what the community wants, but give them, like, seven options of what you can do. Cause people are biased. If you have a dog, you would want a dog park. If you have kids, you want a playground. If you are an athletic person, you want gym equipment. If you're a vendor like me, you want vendor space. And we should all have equal voice in that. But the city, the professionals are the only people that should make those choices. And at the moment we're letting emotion control how we make choices about our streets, including the Open Street. Open Streets are falling left and right all over the city. We're one of the very few all over all year round, well, kind of permanent. Oh, I really hope they start physically making it permanent. Cause otherwise I'm pretty sure we lose it by next winter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4164.0,4288.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4288.0,4290.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4290.0,4294.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: If it doesn't have some of that permanent infrastructure put in place, you think--how would it be lost?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4294.0,4300.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: The mayor will cancel Open Streets and it'll become a roadway again. I mean, I think here we'll have a huge uproar and it will go crazy. I think in this neighborhood we also have enough political power to prevent something like that. But just a few months ago there was a case like that, that the mayor's friend or somebody decided, and they just went to one of the Open Streets in Brooklyn and started taking down all the signs. I don't remember the name of the street [Willoughby Avenue Open Street].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4300.0,4344.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. But then they said it was a mistake--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4344.0,4346.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Right. Cause of the community and a political individual, you know, people called and it was on the news. But it's cause you have active communities. But that's why so many other Open Streets failed. Cause they're not as lucky as here, where we have Jim [Burke] and Nuala [O'Doherty-Naranjo], I think, right? Like if we didn't have Jim and Nuala, there wouldn't be an Open Street. Because you need people with those networks, you need people with that knowledge, and that kind of magical power of taking that all together and making it happen. But the city needs to help them. Right? There's just--feels like missing inspiration. Like, what would you like in the Open Street? Right? I feel like a lot of times, if I would ask kids, I'll get great answers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4346.0,4407.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4407.0,4408.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: But adults, we get so stuck in what we know that a street should be, that we can't imagine what it could be. Right? You know that show Whose Line Is It Anyway? So the beginning, right, [host] Drew Carey used to start it by saying, This game is all made up and the points don't matter. And I feel like that's very true in society. Like, we made all of this up. And whatever people who're counting who's doing better or whatever, that doesn't matter. Right? We're all the same. We're all humans. We all die the same way. And I think that's part of it. We all, we get so stuck in this, what life is supposed to be, how a city is supposed to look like. Maybe yes, but maybe the Open Street will change it. But I feel like it's just not enough. You know, were you around when the circus was on the Open Street?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4408.0,4472.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah, for one of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4472.0,4473.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. So I mean, that's amazing. That's so great. And I think that really opens up some ideas about what we could do. Every time they put up those stages for Pride [New York City Pride March], or they put up a huge table for Eid, I was just like, why can't we just leave it like that for all? You know? Um, yeah. I want sofas on the streets. Carpets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4473.0,4502.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: I would love more places to sit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4502.0,4505.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yes, yes, absolutely. The median is not enough. What kind of seating still?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4505.0,4512.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Hmm. I haven't thought about it, but I mean, just like benches would be nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4512.0,4520.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. But then you could have so many different types of benches and also--so one of my pet peeves is how they always put benches in a row, right? So if you're four people, again, you all have to sit in a row. So in Travers Park, they did some nice stuff [with bench arrangements] where there's like corners and squares. But the difference between movable furniture and unmovable furniture, in terms of the flexibility you have as a person, where you wanna sit, what you wanna do, right? If you wanna sit to read a book, you may want something like a bench, but if you're working and you wanna work on your laptop. I think they did a nice job in Travers. And that's why I do think NYC DOT has really talented people working for them, especially in the pedestrian and park department, where they do all of these designs. So, they wanna do cool stuff. These are all people that went to design school and landscape and urban planning, and they end up designing, you know, crosswalks, which is not as exciting. Important, but not very exciting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4520.0,4607.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: So I would love to hear more about your interactions with people as you've been vending on 34th Avenue. 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There's a woman that actually gave us some cooking books to borrow for a bit, so we sometimes chat with her a little bit more about Jewish food and the differences of some certain habits here versus what we are familiar with. Sometimes people ask me about my dissertation cause they know I'm working on it. Um, yeah. I don't know if I have any kind of special examples. I see a lot of kids compared to my regular life, where I all day see adults, you know? So sometimes I talk to people about my art, especially kids would look at my egg buddies, so we'll talk about them a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4620.0,4721.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I am a very forgetful person, by the way. So I just wanna also add that if and when you talk to Mark, he will be able to give you more details about a lot of things. He knows some of the names, you know, he knows more specifically. But it's funny, like one day one of our customers was cat sitting on a woman that lives in our building on the fourth floor and she ordered food. So I delivered there, and it's a place of a semi-known person that then ordered from us again. So we delivered straight to her apartment. So that was kind of funny. And then also running into that person, our customer, like in the building, when they were visiting her. It's funny, sometimes people don't recognize me on the street when I do shopping, the regular shopping is in the neighborhood, but I recognize the client, you know, the customers. So sometimes it's an awkward, like, do I nod? Do I say hello? You know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4721.0,4795.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Do you usually say hi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4795.0,4796.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Sometimes, depending. Like, I try to make eye contact and like smile and nod. I'm really not, I'm so socially--I mean, I don't know if I'm socially awkward, but I feel very socially awkward and I have a lot of anxiety over interactions, so I usually overthink everything, or try to avoid the situation completely. So sometimes I'll try not to make eye contact, depending on how I feel mentally on that day. But yeah, it's kind of sometimes an awkward situation cause there's some customers that I would call them friends kind of, because we've talked a lot more and we've talked also off business hours. Like I've seen them not just at Sandwich Therapy. But those that I've only seen in Sandwich Therapy and interacted through Sandwich Therapy, it's kind of weird. Still haven't totally figured it out. But yeah, like there hasn't been any special instances.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4796.0,4881.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Can you tell me about some of the customers who became friends?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4881.0,4884.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Hmm. Sure. I mean, Sonya, I think you've met her. She did an event at Cafe 77 [Espresso 77].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4884.0,4895.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4895.0,4896.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So we talk to her pretty often about food and I think I would consider her like a friend. There's a--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4896.0,4904.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And did you just meet her cause of Sandwich Therapy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4904.0,4905.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Sandwich Therapy. Yeah. That was all Sandwich Therapy. Mark is very active in the Facebook group Eat Something New in Queens, so even before Sandwich Therapy. So I don't remember if a little bit from there, but I think it was yeah, just Sandwich Therapy. So I enjoy speaking to her. She's always really interesting. She has great stories. We have this guy named Richard who comes every weekend. He loves our borscht. And he's such an interesting person. There's actually a YouTube video on him. Somebody made a documentary movie about him, fascinating stories. He paints. So we talk about art and paintings. And he's recently started--he's very interested in my work cause he keeps seeing me reading different books about the streets and stuff like that. And he's a great salesman. Every time he's around and other people show up, he talks to them about our borscht and tries to convince people to buy it. And he's really nice. He's been such a supporting person to us, you know? And he's always so kind, checking up on me if I'm not too cold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=4905.0,5000.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And there's two others that I would consider kind of friends that I see almost every weekend and we talk and chat, which is two friends, Sarah and Ashley. Ashley is very active in the community and composting. So we always talk a little. We talk, they give me back boxes, and we always kind of complain about certain sustainability stuff. Sarah always complains that--we talk about her parents and how she feels like she can never undo their damage. So like, it's so hard to even try sometimes. And again, we talk, she's Jewish, she loves our food too, but we talk a lot about the difference in, like, the type of food she was familiar with and what her parents would make, and kind of the variations of Jewish and Israeli food. And that there's actually--the Israelis, you know, that's funny cause there's a bunch of them, but I wouldn't really consider them friends. It's just people I get to talk Hebrew with. There's an American guy that--he's trying to learn Hebrew, which is really funny, so I try to help. Yeah. Cause now I started practicing. Last time he stopped by, he actually kind of held a conversation, which I was like, so proud. Yay [laughs]. It's really not an easy language cause it's kind of made up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5000.0,5100.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: There's one customer who shows up with his kid all the time. And so I kind of know the kid and we talk a lot. But it's so funny. So usually I don't see them over the summer--the winter, sorry, I don't see them during the winter. Last time I saw him, he grew so much, I was like this crazy. Cause, you know, I don't have that. But that would be exciting. I think for the summer I'll see probably a few more of the people that hid a bit more during winter. But yeah, I think that's why I said earlier I'm only 80% introvert, cause I am social when I'm out in Sandwich Therapy and into teaching. And I do like people, but I also don't, you know? So I'm not necessarily the best at small talk, which is why I don't feel like I have any specific interesting tales about people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5100.0,5183.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Oh, well no, you have lots of interesting stories and thoughts. Yeah. So you've met a lot of Israeli people. That's interesting cause you know, I also interviewed Mickey, who sells Taiwanese treats, and she said she met a ton of Taiwanese people through vending. I guess--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5183.0,5204.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: We found each other. We find each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5204.0,5207.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5207.0,5208.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. Well I think it depends on the menus. Right? People look for their--even though you are here for whatever reason you are here, you miss nostalgia and food. And we sell very Israeli, Jewish Soviet stuff. So, one, the borscht, which is like also really rare to see. And then we do sabich, which is like an Israeli street food. So that draws them all in, cause, \"Oh my God, you're making this? I have to try!\" So I think that's how it happens. That you find your own kind of--yeah, it's funny. I think also probably because we're Israelis, they're like, \"Oh me too!\" So you just find out more about those particular customers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5208.0,5266.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. That makes sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5266.0,5271.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. So did we cover all your questions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5271.0,5273.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Most of them. I am wondering, what were your thoughts of 34th Avenue, if you thought of 34th Avenue at all before it became an Open Street? Do you remember, like, going for walks on 34th Avenue, or did it have any significance in your life before?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5273.0,5299.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: No. No. I mean, I remember I was aware of the park and I really loved the renovation of the park, and I was aware of the fight near the car sellers [Mazda Parts Department].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5299.0,5315.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: What was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5315.0,5316.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So 76th, right, they closed a portion of it and made it a park [joined with Travers Park].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5316.0,5323.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5323.0,5324.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: They were supposed to close it all the way to Northern [Boulevard]. But they ended up leaving a part of the road for--cause there's a car seller there. So they left it. And there was a few demonstrations against that cause it was like, they ended up putting some barriers there cause cars would travel on the park to do a U-turn, like to turn around. And it was putting a--you know, there's a bunch of kids play spaces right next to it. So there's a lot of safety concerns by parents. So I was aware of all of that, but otherwise, sometimes we would walk down 34th on our way to, like, Astoria. So when we did urban walks we would walk through it. But not really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5324.0,5375.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Would you take it all the way to Astoria?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5375.0,5379.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. Mmhm. We love walking around. Now it's really fun with the Open Street, but it ends so soon. You know, you finish the track, if you're going downwards, it's just so quick. And then it's so jarring also to go back to car street and be like, Oh I had all this space and now I'm back in the sidewalk. But yeah, I don't think, never really had anything to do there. You know, no businesses. Um, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5379.0,5411.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: But why would you walk, if you were going to Astoria, on 34th rather than, like, Northern or--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5411.0,5418.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I hate Northern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5418.0,5418.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Uh-huh, well, yeah [laughs]--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5418.0,5419.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I despise it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5419.0,5420.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: That makes sense [laughs]. [Northern Boulevard is a very congested roadway.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5420.0,5420.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So unless I have to. It's a really uncomfortable street. And traffic, just cause it's a quieter street, you know, we don't have the noise of Roosevelt [Avenue] or Northern. It's just closer. We would do either 34th or 35th depending on where we were heading out afterwards. Yeah. That's a good question. I like it. Yeah. But I never thought about [unclear] before. Now, though, I think about other streets, right? Like, I think about 35th becoming a semi-closed space as well, or Roosevelt becoming a bus route, a bus street. So it definitely made me realize that I should be thinking about streets that way. I think a lot more than I did before. Yeah. It's so easy. It showed how easy it is. Just put a barrier. Everything's fine. Life goes on, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5420.0,5489.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. Well, thank you Esthi. I think those are all of my questions about the Open Street, and I did wanna hear more about your time in the military back when you were a driver.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5489.0,5502.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5502.0,5503.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Do you need a break or anything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5503.0,5507.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I'd love to go to the restroom actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5507.0,5509.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Let's do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5509.0,5509.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Let's do a stop here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5509.0,5511.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Anyway, yes--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5511.0,5512.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Military.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5512.0,5513.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: I would like to hear about that time when you were driving these massive trucks, and you were living a very different life, and I guess were a very different person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5513.0,5522.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5522.0,5523.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: But when you think to that time--you mentioned like you were serving in the military, on the border with Egypt and driving huge trucks--and so when you think back on that time, what images come to mind?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5523.0,5539.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Well the truck, I mean, so the trucks I used to drive in, one was like a pickup truck, like a really big one. And the other one was a hummer--how do you call that, like a protected armored car. And we mostly drove it on the border between Egypt to Israel that is called the Philadelphia Route, rough translation. It's kind of like one lane road, no marking. And it's surrounded by sand, just dunes and sand. Now the border between Egypt and Israel is really funny because, one, it's really long and in some places the fence is really bullshit. I know it's a border with a lot of migrant crossing it, escaping. At that time in particular, a lot of people were escaping Sudan, and they were escaping through Egypt into Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5539.0,5622.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So I think for me, like the major image is just the route and the sand. Sometimes I would drive pretty late at night, not on that route, on like an interior route, cause you could only drive on that--in order to ride on that route, you always had to have two people in the vehicle. So if I was driving by myself--and I just remember this one drive that I was riding the pickup truck in an interior route and I was just so tired, and it's just absolutely dark, you know, cause it's a desert far away from the big cities. So you can actually see the stars. But all you have is the lights of your car. This one time I ran over a pigeon and it was so--I'd never done that ever before. And it was just so difficult for me. And we had to, kept driving and I was like, I can't believe I killed a bird. I did--I probably wasn't--I don't know if it was a pigeon, but it was definitely a bird. That was the only time I ever had a thing. Uh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5622.0,5703.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I mean it was different when I used to go home. So I used to do what's called ten three, so 10 days in the base and three days at home. So when I would go home--and I had a car at the time, manual--my best friend would be like, we would always laugh that I would forget I'm not in the hummer and I would take turns really fast. I drove pretty fast, too, at the time. Yeah, well, very different lifestyle. But I was also very used to public transit and I would take it pretty often. When going to the base, I wouldn't drive there. I'd go to actually something that internationally it's a pretty famous station, the Tel Aviv bus station, it's a maze of a place. But I used to go there to get a bus that would take me down south. And then usually once I get to like the local main bus station, they would come to pick us up with one of the trucks. But then once I was a driver, I was licensed to drive the car. Sometimes we would bring the car down to the main base in Tel Aviv and we will all meet there and drive back to the base cause taking the buses was just--after you kind of get--how do you call it--tenure, you know, it's easier to make your life a little bit easier once you know everybody. Yeah, but those were like massive cars, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5703.0,5819.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: What did it feel like driving them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5819.0,5822.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: It was fun. You know, it felt like a big responsibility, but I always liked driving. But it's funny cause here I've driven like U-Haul trucks. Those are scary. Cause in Israel when I was in those cars, that was the biggest car on the road. But I think I was also a lot braver, or I didn't know as much about the risks of cars. I think also things feel like they were different. Like it didn't feel so dangerous to be inside a car. It didn't feel like everybody was driving too fast, which is things that today feel like they're very much part of the roads in Israel. Also, I mostly drove, again, in the desert, so there was rarely too many other vehicles on the road. So most of my memories of that is really the kind of classic vision of what car driving should be: just you and the road and some friends and music. And yeah, sure, we were all in uniform and we had guns and we were supposedly doing all sorts of stuff. But it was a tool, it was a tool to get access to cigarettes easier, and do some interesting, more interesting stuff. Get out of the office. I didn't get along with some of the people in my unit, so I needed any opportunity I could to get out. So getting the license was a good way to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5822.0,5944.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And what was your job?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5944.0,5945.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So, I was part of the liaison unit in Israel, and I worked in the oper--we had an operation room that basically coordinated the Egyptian military, the Israeli military, the MFO [Multinational Force \u0026 Observers] and the Palestinian authorities. So when our military wanted to tell anything to the Egyptian military about stuff that's happened in the border, they would call my operational room, I'll write it down, and then I will call the Egyptian side and I will tell them, Oh, we think we see something in this and this point. And then there was all the other stuff that included beyond maintaining the operation room, which was sometimes visits to the actual border to transfer trucks of aid from Egypt to the Gaza Strip, cause the Egyptians closed, at the time, the border crossing between them and the Gaza Strip. So the only route for aid to go in was through Israel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=5945.0,6018.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So we would transfer the trucks from--you know, we would stand there at the border to make sure everything goes smoothly, or we also maintain two other checkpoints halfway across the border, in a place called Nitsana [phonetic] and all the way down in Ayelot [phonetic], which is the southernmost point. That's the only civilian crossing between Israel and Egypt. But my unit has a presence there in case, you know, when Israelis get stuck, again, like when you need--so we're there to kind of coordinate. And in all of the spots, there's also goods going through, and the international forces going through. So we kind of maintained all of that. Hosted some meetings with the Egyptian military. It's really funny cause we would be, you know, 19-year-olds, nobodies, working in the operation room, but in the Egyptian military it's like lifelong soldiers, 45-year-old generals operating the operation room.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6018.0,6094.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6094.0,6095.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: So it was very, yeah, very, very interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6095.0,6102.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And did you do that for a year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6102.0,6104.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Three years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6104.0,6105.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Three years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6105.0,6105.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Uh, two and a half. Two and a half.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6105.0,6109.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Is that like the amount of time that you were--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6109.0,6111.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Two was mandatory for women at the time. And I signed--I did an additional six months at the request of my commander. So I was like, sure, why not? You're paying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6111.0,6124.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Your commander wanted you to stay on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6124.0,6125.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. At one point, and kind of transition to be kind of the private assistant of the commander of our unit. So I helped with all the letters and I helped with like the plan for the next year, a lot of management stuff. He wanted me to stay to help him plan what was then 2009. And then they wanted me to stay longer. They wanted to send me to an officer training. But I was like, Too little too late. It's something I wanted to do a few years before. But I wasn't--they have all sorts of exams, you know, and I didn't really pass them for whatever reason, and I was like, Nah. I mean, my mom really convinced me that I should try civilian life, and then if it didn't work out, I can always go back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6125.0,6186.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Which was valid. You know, it was just easy cause I knew what I was doing. You know, it's really easy to get sucked in. I'm glad I didn't stay. I don't regret what I did in the military service, but I got lucky that I got to work in a unit that was part of the military, but I don't think what we were responsible for, like, loss of life or, you know, mistreatment. We did our best. But it's still, it's part of a system that I have a lot of issues with today. I mean, I don't know if I could have made any changes to make anything better while I was there. It was hard. I mean, I didn't have the best of social experiences, and it wasn't easy. Uh, but it was interesting. Yeah, absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6186.0,6257.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: So you worked some of the time in an office and some of the time patrolling the border?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6257.0,6263.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Not really patrolling. Only for specific incidents. If, for example, there was an illegal crossing at the border and we wanted to meet with the Egyptian counter--if like the Israeli military wanted to meet with the Egyptian counterparts to discuss the hole in the border, for example. So we would have to be there cause they cannot have contact. The militaries can't have contact without our liaison units there. The only tours I really did on the border was when--so the MFO, part of the peace treatment between Egypt and Israel is to do, I think if I remember correctly, once a month tour, one month with a vehicle tour of the border and once at a helicopter above the border. So every inter-month I think, like changing between the month. So I did that a bunch of times, but I wasn't the driver, I was just in the car with them. I did a chopper once. Terrifying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6263.0,6335.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: But yeah, most of the driving was really administrative, regular roads, you know, going to meetings, driving other people, more important people than me--well, maybe not more important; at higher rank than me. But yeah, most of them was kind of really small potatoes cause--so the Egyptian/Gaza Strip/Israeli border was like barely a five-minute drive from our base at the time. So it was really like, in out, in out, you know. And the vehicles were what they were cause you are in a border, you know, and everybody has guns and it's just what you do there. You know, they're all olive green color. That's really the distinction. But yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6335.0,6402.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: This one time I was driving with a trainee, that he was driving the vehicle and I was next to him. It was his first time on the Philadelphia Route, that narrow road on the border. And there was really high winds. The dunes had flown over the road. Now, driving over sand, your car can really swerve. And he drives too fast. I tell him to break. He breaks slowly, and the car flips onto the side, in the middle of the border. And they were just like the two of us--two of us? Maybe there was a third person in the back. I don't recall. But anyway, it was a mess. We had to go to the ER, it was like a whole incident. But we were all fine. It was just kind of stressful cause it was getting dark. You can't stay on the route at night. It can be pretty dangerous. But I think that was the most--that and the training itself on the car was kind of the most exciting experiences with it. It was pretty boring. Yeah. I mean, military service in general is not like the movies at all. I mean, especially not in Israel. Yeah, it was a very different time period. I was there between 2005 to 2007. Today my unit is based in a completely different location very far away from the border.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6402.0,6519.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Why did they move it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6519.0,6520.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Danger. Need. Like, should we really have been there? Um, yeah. They moved all those, I believe all those camps, like military camps, were kind of temporary camps. Israel used to actually have towns inside of the Gaza Strip. And then I think it was 2001, we left the Gaza Strip, so there's no more Israelis there. It's just the Palestinian authorities. So by 2005 there were still things--we were still kind of slowly backing away. So while we're not physically inside, we're still pretty close to the border.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6520.0,6569.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Then a few years later there was a really huge kidnapping case of an Israeli soldier, right outside of the Gaza Strip, like 200 meters from where I was serving. And then there was like a big military operation when they went back into the Gaza Strip. So I think after like 2007, there was--we are not a combat unit, right? We're liaison, we're not trained for combat. We go through basic training, and in order to be there, you also had to be in the guarding rotations. And we were all kind of spoiled, but also very untrained, you know, to do--it's very difficult to ask us to do four hours guarding duty and then ten hours in the operation room. So we kind of really argued also that we weren't qualified to act. Cause it was a really dangerous place that you could actually have people coming to try and kidnap you. And we were like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. So for a long time, when I was there, we had guarding rotations at all times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6569.0,6659.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: What would you be guarding?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6659.0,6661.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: The base.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6661.0,6662.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Ah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6662.0,6663.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah, so we had like a guarding thing. And so I had epilepsy as a teenager. I was on a lot of medications until I was 18. So technically the military didn't really want me too much. We have like a medical profile, and I got the lowest possible profile to serve. So there was some guarding stuff I wasn't allowed to do, technically. And it was very boring, to be honest. Cause most of the time nothing happens. You just have to pay attention. But you can't sit, you cannot be on your phone. And you know, it's at night, so nobody's around really. Very quiet. Again, a lot of staring.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6663.0,6722.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6722.0,6723.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6723.0,6723.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: You'd do it during the nighttime and the daytime?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6723.0,6731.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Usually only at night, because at daytime there was enough activity that you didn't really need additional guards in that particular spot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6731.0,6744.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: When you were on guard duty, would you be like stationed at the base or would then you be driving around?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6744.0,6750.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: No, I'd be stationed at the base. There was like a tiny tower right at the corner of the base where we were in. That was like the dead zone that they felt like needed to be observed during the night, right behind our structures that held our bedrooms and restrooms and stuff like that. And then the older--I don't know how you call it in English again, but the more time you have in the military, right, you get more ranks. So by the time I was a sergeant, the younger people will do guarding duty, and as a sergeant, you don't. So it wasn't too bad. I was really lucky. I had some really great people. Mostly safe, you know? And like I said, I feel like I have some guilt, but I'm very thankful that I wasn't in any position that I have to deal with a lot more difficult stuff. From that time period and mostly just kind of fun, exciting things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6750.0,6839.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: In that period when you were there, what did the fence look like on the border?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6839.0,6845.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: It depends where. Closer to the Gaza Strip they have a very serious, a much more serious fence, but the further you go, it's just like really--you know, the fence that's made of a sheet of like diamond metal fences--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6845.0,6876.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Like with openings?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6876.0,6878.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yes. With openings and then just poles. That's it. The kind that you can just jump above. It's really unsophisticated. And some places, the border is so weird, you don't even have a fence cause it's like a cliff. So that does the job. It's a really weird border. Um, yeah. At least that was the fences at the time. Either there was no fence, or it was really lame.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6878.0,6911.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: And what did the sand look like? Like, what color is it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6911.0,6916.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Really yellow. Very fine grain. The sand is the nice part. We had bugs that were half spiders, half scorpions and you could see through their skin. Disgusting. So, the bugs and the weird creatures, that was the issue. But yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6916.0,6953.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: That sounds like a nightmare, like--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6953.0,6958.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Absolutely. Once we knew how they looked as babies, we just made sure--like their eggs, they recognize how their eggs look. And I think there was like an infestation in our area of the base. There was just so many of them. I used to go around and just jump all over the place on them to make sure they don't emerge. Cause they would terrify me. Yeah. But they don't tell you about military is showers and bathrooms. I always laugh here cause--now regular service, depending where you are, it can be okay. But in bootcamp, they give you like 15 minutes for like 300 girls to shower, and there's like six stalls. So it's just mayhem and chaos, and you know, there's no curtains, there's no privacies. Even in our regular base it was pretty much--the boys' shower, for example, were just like a row of shower heads, that's it. Not even a separation between them. So it's kind of a very different experience of living.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=6958.0,7034.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: The sunset and sunrises were beautiful, gorgeous. When I just started my service, we were allowed to sleep in the operation room overnight and answer the phone when they ring. But we stopped doing that after that incident where a soldier was kidnapped, because it was too dangerous, just to miss calls. It's weird because here not as many people have gone to the military, so it's not part of the day-to-day conversations. I haven't thought about these things in years. In Israel it's much more common, you know, cause that's our common denominator. Everybody's done it. So it's funny, yeah, kind of reflecting on all of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7034.0,7105.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. And how far away was your base from home?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7105.0,7110.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Pretty far. Pretty far. Four, three hours' drive, I think. I lived kind of in the middle. Well, I can draw for you. Not that it's gonna help in the thing, but. Do I know how to draw Israel? Israel is kind of like that, and I live kind of like this, and my base was right here. This is the Gaza Strip. So I was like right in that corner. And this is a lot like the end of the Egyptian. So all of that is Egypt, pretty much. Yeah, probably wrong. So it was pretty far and there were like no trains, only like one bus. And not even directly from the base. From the base there was like one bus every hour, only in certain hours of the morning. It was a real horror show to get there. Which was why I was like, \"Yay, license! Let me drive the cars!\" It made all our lives so much easier. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7110.0,7194.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. I remember at some point you saying that you felt, I don't know if you used the word tired. But I got the sense that you're tired of living in a place where you're constantly at war. There's a lot of conflict and yeah, it seems like in Israel you're just surrounded by so much contention and--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7194.0,7225.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah, no, they are so stressed all the time. I mean, just the other day there was a stabbing incident in Tel Aviv, like a terrorist, they call it a terrorist attack. And it was in Tel Aviv, so that's shocking for everybody. I told Mark the other day, for me, it's different. I grew up at a time period where buses exploded. That's a terrorist attack to me. Sure, a guy coming in and shooting some people? That happens in New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7225.0,7261.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: That happened today [April 12, 2022, attack in Brooklyn subway station].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7261.0,7262.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Exactly, that happened today. So, I really got desensitized about all of that. And that's what happens in Israel really. Cause it happens all the time, and you have to find someone to blame, right? I think living outside of Israel really gave me a lot of perspective on a lot of things, and also being in the United States so long that I've also kind of seen behind the screen of what America tells everybody it is and what it actually is, that I now also understand the curtain that we put on ourselves in Israel and what we tell ourselves that we are, and then how we actually behave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7262.0,7319.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Also, you know, the American car culture has totally taken over Israel. And it's such a tiny country that it's really, really difficult. It's like, you can't go anywhere without a car. And you're pretty much in traffic all the time because everybody's in their own car. So not only are they constantly stressed about getting shot at or stabbed and all the trauma of each person's own military experience, and then all the stress from being in cars, it's kind of a pocket of pressure all the time. And yeah, I noticed it even more when I go to visit. But yeah, it's hard when you are--but on the other hand, my grandfather was a terrorist. So I mean, violence is complicated, especially when you're fighting for something you believe is your freedom. Who can tell you that it's not? And then why is that not allowed? Right? Like we see it in movies all the time, but if it's a white American dude, it's freedom. But when it's an Arab, suddenly it's not. Now those are conversations I wish I could have with my brother for example, but he's so locked into the mindset of us versus them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7319.0,7433.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: And I know it's weird to say that it's the same with people driving cars and pedestrians, but that's how they frame it a lot of times, right? Us versus them. You're trying to take something away from us. That's ours. And if we can't have conversations about cars amongst the same communities, how can we expect to have conversations on much more complicated stuff between countries? In the United States, I know it's a different issue cause your enemies are not--they don't have a border with the US. For me as a soldier, I went to my backyard. I never left Israel. If you're a soldier here, you'll rarely stay in the US.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7433.0,7498.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: I mean, I do think there's some elements that are related, the car industry and the military industry. They get a lot of our money. And our perception of, again, power. Like, what is power? Power is perceived as weapons. We like to put weapons on cars. And look at modern day cars, they look like they're made for a war zone. Like, Tesla has a hummer version it's working on, and it looks like a tank. It looks like a futuristic tank, but still. So it's a thin line of also, like, car as a weapon. We've had some instances here in New York when they--not just in New York. So, it's a weird connection, I guess. I have some books actually just on that, like on security. I'm like really interested in how do--there's like design elements to make a safe space, but they're usually not really about creating a safe space. They're about preventing certain people from using that space, so other people perceive safety. The same thing with the security checks at airports, they're all perception. Have you ever watched Adam Ruins Everything [television show]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7498.0,7602.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: I know of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7602.0,7605.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: He has a great episode on security measures and how they're all fake, even credit card security, cause all anybody needs to do is just write down the card number. They can't protect you from that. So there's a lot of the perception of safety, which again, also related to cars, what makes me safe, and why people buy bigger and bigger cars to keep themselves and their kids safe. So it's all just a never-ending cycle of, like, a reality that keeps strengthening itself, you know, perpetuating its own reality. I think the Open Street breaks it, and that's what's so scary for so many people. It breaks the mold. They don't know how to deal with it. And for some of them, the street is a battlefield, you know, with the military connection there. I think I've mentioned it to you before, that I didn't realize, but reflecting on my own past experiences with the car and my military service and also my public transit experience in relationship to the car, and then ending up researching what I'm researching, and then with the Open Street, Sandwich Therapy on the Open Street, it's just kind of funny how it all kinda meshed together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7605.0,7732.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Yeah. There are definitely through lines in your life and it's very interesting the parallels you're drawing between cars, military, terrorism, the us versus them mentality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7732.0,7747.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yeah. Yeah. I should put that in my dissertation conclusion. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7747.0,7757.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Well, good thing we've recorded this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7757.0,7760.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Yes. Exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7760.0,7761.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Well, thank you so much, Esthi, I really appreciate your time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7761.0,7764.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7764.0,7765.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Is there anything that you'd like to add before we wrap up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7765.0,7769.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: No, I just--you know, I reflected about the whole project and I kind of think it's really cool that a piece of my life will stay somewhere. Especially with me kind of thinking I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna have biological kids, so it's kind of cool. And I hope if anybody does end up listening to it or using it as a resource that we covered relevant stuff, you know, and didn't stray too long into weird places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7769.0,7803.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: I hope so, too. And yeah, hopefully the tangents will be interesting tangents for future listeners. It was very interesting for me to listen to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7803.0,7812.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Great. Great. Awesome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7812.0,7815.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bridget Bartolini: Thank you again, Esthi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7815.0,7815.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730/transcript/44990/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Esthi Zipori: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/99072/file/196730#t=7815.0,7817.09856"}]}]}]}