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Today is Friday, May 9th, 2025. It is around 2:00 pm in New York where I am and about 1:00 pm in Texas, where Beverly Lazar, who I am interviewing, is. And I am Rebecca Rushfield and this is an interview for the Queens Memory Project, focusing on Queens College. So Beverly, it's very nice to meet you, and I'm excited to hear about your life in Queens and at Queens College and how that all affected what you did in life. So I see from the form you filled out, you were born in Brooklyn?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=0.0,44.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=44.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e But moved to Queens. How old were you when you moved to Queens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=45.0,49.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e 10, almost 11.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=49.0,52.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e So was it a big -- you moved to, I think Fresh Meadows, which at that point was probably even more sort of suburban than it is now. So was that a big culture shock for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=52.0,66.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e It was a very big culture shock. In Brooklyn, the elementary school I went to, it was probably 50 percent African American and Puerto Rican. And when I got to Fresh Meadows, it was like lily white. The teachers, the students. I was behind. As a teacher myself, I realize the importance of a good elementary school education. And what I found in Fresh Meadows was that I was way behind in math. And, the teacher would give a quiz every morning. And the adding and the subtracting, I was able to do. What I didn't know is fractions. And so I think I failed every morning. And teacher never said anything to me, but I guess this is part of my nature. Over the summer -- I had a huge number of neighbors who were in the same school and I sought them out over the summer to help me reach the point that the other students were at.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=66.0,164.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e OK. But that's interesting to see what a difference was between one...it's interesting to see what a difference there was in the, what was taught between one school and another. But you obviously caught up. And...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=164.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e And one other thing I remember is, I came home after the first day and I said, I can't wear these. I was wearing very tight skirts. Not flared. And I realized these students, these new students were not into that. I was like the inner-city girl. Yeah. I got on a Zoom with a book group from an organization that I volunteer for, and the person who wrote the book was in Crown Heights, I think. And at the end I mentioned that, the street that I grew up on, and he was African American, he said, \"Oh my God.\" He said, \"You're, you're a...\" I'm having a senior moment. Meaning...his point was that I was an inner-city, ghetto...but he used some kind of a Black expression. A hood girl. That was one. A hood girl because I was from the hood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=180.0,265.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Did you ever become a Queens suburban girl? Did you acclimate to Queens? To living in...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=265.0,274.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Did I acclimate?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=274.0,275.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Fresh Meadows.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=275.0,278.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e I think I did. I think I acclimated","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=278.0,279.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. And you went to high school in Queens also? And went to the local high school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=279.0,289.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e I went to Francis Lewis High School, which is very close to Queens College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=289.0,293.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. And then what made you decide to go to Queens College? Or like everyone went to Queens College then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=293.0,305.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e It is sort of a long, convoluted story, but...I went to Ryan Junior High School, which is also in the same area [Fresh Meadows]. And I was anticipating going to Jamaica High School. That's where I was zoned to go and found out that they finished building Francis Lewis High School. I just remember that I was the first graduating class. So I somehow hooked up with a whole group of friends from junior high. They were all going to Jamaica High. And I was even in a sorority with these Jamaica High students. And I was told there was a national, it was called Tau Beta Sigma. And, so half of my social life was at Francis Lewis, and half of my social life was at Jamaica High School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=305.0,388.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e What was it...? Oh no, I'm sorry. Go on. I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=388.0,392.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e So, these friends, almost all of them lived in Jamaica Estates and were very wealthy. Which I was not. I was a hood girl.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=392.0,409.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e But...I was going to ask, what was it like to go to a totally new school at Francis Lewis?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=409.0,416.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, it was a mixed bag. For example -- and I was going to get to this later on too -- they hadn't divided us up into tracks yet. You know, academic, commercial, general. And so in some of my classes, I felt like I was in the middle, I belonged there. And I remember one class in particular where 75 percent of the class, they were general students. And it was a big difference. Just a big difference. And I think that was the major -- and that is major; that's a major educational dynamic. So because of my participation in that class, for the next semester, I think, I got put into a class of overachievers and I was a little bit intimidated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=416.0,504.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e But was it small, the student body? Did they start with ninth grade or 10th grade and then the next year add and add and add? Or did they start with all the grades when the school opened, or you don't remember?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=504.0,519.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't remember. And that's such an important factor! I do not remember. I tend to think it was just us, but I really...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=519.0,532.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e OK, that's fine. So anyhow, you went to Francis Lewis. A lot of your social life was with friends at Jamaica. Were your friends...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=532.0,541.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I wanted to finish that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=541.0,543.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=543.0,544.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e The friends thing. No, that's OK. These friends...for a year, I guess, I listened to talk about Ohio State and Michigan State and American University and just places all over the country. And so, when I brought that up to my parents, that was a no-go. Not going to happen. At the end of junior high, I had to fill out a form for \"Academic\" or...and I checked \"Academic\" and my father had to sign it. And he looked at it incredulously and he said, \"I thought you'd be a clerk typist in Manhattan.\" And my mother, after hearing about my ambitions of going to all these schools out of town, said, \"Don't think you don't have any options.\" She said, \"You can go to Queens College during the day, Queens College at night, or Queensborough Community College.\" So those were my options. And, it was like, by the grace of God, I was accepted at Queens College. My average was 85, I remember that. So I guess that's like a B plus, B.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=544.0,632.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Something like that, yeah. But, you know, I remember my parents said, \"You can go to Queens College or you can pay for college.\" So I went to Queens College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=632.0,645.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I brought that up on a visit to Queens College when I went to Francis Lewis for my 50th anniversary of graduating. And I went with my next door neighbor from Queens. Directly next door. And, he just drove over there. He asked me what I wanted to see, what I wanted to do, because I hadn't been there in a while. He just drove right to Queens College and made a comment about how -- he went to NYU -- and he made a comment about how he did not have the grades to go to Queens College. And he said it in a wistful manner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=645.0,694.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Queens College was definitely respected, academically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=694.0,703.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely. Absolutely. And he brought out that point. And I was glad that he understood that because there had to be some kind of a trade-off for me for taking the bus every day to college.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=703.0,721.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Well, you weren't paying tuition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=721.0,727.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e I wasn't paying tuition. That's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=727.0,731.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e That makes a big difference to come out of school without lots of debt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=731.0,737.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn't think about that until the whole issue of student debt became very prominent. And then...oh, and reading the Queens College magazine. Several people have written in and said they wouldn't have had the education they had, or they might not have even gone to college if they had to pay for it. And that was me. I mean, because one of the things this friend brought up was that I said, I don't know why I wasn't savvy enough to have my parents sign off on a loan. But I didn't say parents. And he picked up on that right away because he knew my family and he said, that wasn't going to work. Your parents have to voluntarily cosign. I just was so thankful to be accepted at Queens College. I did not do really well, to say the least. I was going to start with the fact that I believe that both of my parents had personality disorders, which, consequently, affected me my entire life. And, there was no talk about colleges. I navigated the whole situation by myself. I remember I bought a book with the different disciplines and I hit on social work -- which I didn't stick with, although I loved sociology, my sociology classes. But...so nothing was...I got no help. I do not think my parents went to high school, either one of them, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=737.0,874.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, so this was not within their whole mindset of going to college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=874.0,879.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Not at all. So I navigated it myself, and at the end of my first two semesters, my GPA was 2.0.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=879.0,892.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Alright. You were passing. 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Oh, and Spanish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=937.0,940.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. When I had, for that short period of time, there were no requirements except English 1. But I know before and after, there were all sorts of requirements. 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So it was a whole different thing than having to take one lab science and one math and one this and one that. So you had all of those requirements.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=955.0,982.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember a paper I turned in to the philosophy professor. And it was comparing Hobbes and Locke or...you know, you had all these choices. And I did it on yellow legal pad. And at the last minute, I took out a pen that my aunt had given me for Hanukkah or something, and it leaked onto the...and it was like at the very last minute. And I said, well, what are you going to do? And I turned it in. When I got there, the other students had their papers in folders, nice manila folders and the whole dog and pony show. And he never -- I think everybody in the class got an A minus. And somebody told me later on that he felt like teaching freshman philosophy is way beneath him. And he probably never read even one of those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=982.0,1060.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you say who the professor was, or you don't remember his name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1060.0,1064.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e I do not remember his name. But they went further and said that he had some kind of a breakdown and then came back. And I guess when he came back, he had to pull the reins in. And...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1064.0,1081.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. So, once you got those required courses out of the way, when -- I know you became a teacher. At what point did you decide you were going to major in education and become a teacher?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1081.0,1098.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, my mother made like a semi snarky remark to me when I told her I wanted to be a social worker. And she said, why? And I said something about helping people. She said, OK, let me get this straight. You're going to walk into a building, walk up five flights to tell these folks that you're taking away their benefits. And that just, that rattled me. That rattled me. Plus, I came from an environment of being really, really cautious about money and security, and that just spelled education. Because actually at the point when I left the New York City Board of Education, salaries at that point were just skyrocketing. So I guess it was after my first year that I decided. But like I said, I think I may have taken a sociology class or two, and I really, to this day, love reading the books that I read then. I have them behind me in my bookshelf.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1098.0,1181.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e OK. So how, what was the, was the education department very big then? There were a lot of education majors?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1181.0,1189.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. I believe there were a lot of education majors, and...it was a different world. I remember going to classes at Queens College during a blizzard, and there was a rule that you couldn't wear pants. And when I was student teaching -- I was taking a class and going out to a school -- if you had really long hair, you had to put it up. And I guess...oh, yeah, there was an oral interview besides the written tests. It was A, B, C -- check A B, C, D -- or essay questions. 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Gosh, I thought I had memories that were incredible, but there's certain things I don't remember. But one of the things I realized after, way later...well, I was assigned to a school in the Bronx, and it was like a hundred percent African American and Puerto Rican. And then later Dominican Republic and other places in the Caribbean were coming over. And I thought, wait a minute. Oh, I had to take, I had to be...taped. And when I listened to it, oh, I was appalled. I had the queen of the Queens accents and a diction class was suggested. I had a sibilant S. To this day, I don't really acknowledge that. I don't know what it is really. I sort of do. But my diction, it was terrible. But as far as that oral exam, I realized that if somebody sat down and had a really thick accent, I don't know if they'd pass on that part of the test. And this is a different world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1264.0,1362.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Actually, it's funny you said that. It's bringing back memories to me because my father went back to school when I was about six or so to get his degree at Queens College and to become a teacher. I remember him saying something about when he was going for his license, having to do some kind of interview, and you were worried about how you came off and spoke, and having to take speech classes. So it's bringing that back to me. It was a different world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1362.0,1396.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Totally. Totally different world. I just thought of the other nickname that author at the book club. He called me a \"ville girl\" because I was from Brownsville, East New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1396.0,1413.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1413.0,1414.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e So I was a hood girl and a ville girl.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1414.0,1417.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e OK. And then you were a Fresh Meadows girl, I guess. So when you were...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1417.0,1424.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e I was at the edge of Fresh Meadows.198th Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1424.0,1428.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e OK. Close to the Expressway or the other side?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1428.0,1434.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Close to the Expressway and close to Bayside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1434.0,1442.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e OK. So really the even more suburban part.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1442.0,1447.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, absolutely. Except that it was a row house attached on both sides. Two sides. 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And I think that partially...encouraged me in all the right directions. I was just thinking of this last night, how you hear all these stories about hazing. The most serious thing I had, we all had to do was recite the Greek alphabet forwards and backwards.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1467.0,1506.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh gosh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1506.0,1509.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e And I remembered it backwards for quite a while. 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A story I told at Monday Memories?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1526.0,1539.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, sure. This is for something different, so...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1539.0,1543.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, OK. That's what I thought. So my sorority every year sponsored an activity called Follies. And it was open to... [Note: A phone rings in her home]. Oh, I'm sorry about that. You can't hear it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1543.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1560.0,1566.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e We invited every sorority, fraternity and house plan to participate. And they had to come up with probably about a five-minute musical skit. And we didn't participate in that part of it because we were sponsoring it. So instead we became the Rockettes. We all wore this satin outfit with a very short skirt. And I think maybe there was mesh stockings. I can't remember. And we really did spread out across the entire stage. We didn't know this was going to happen. They led us to the basement and all of a sudden, it's like an elevator. And we we're going up to meet the stage. And the looks on the people in the front rows was -- because they didn't even know that the auditorium had that capability. And I was told the only other place that had that capability was Radio City Music Hall. So almost every group had music that was a familiar tune, but they changed, they used relevant words. Except this one fraternity, that was our brother fraternity [Alpha Epsilon Pi], had Paul Simon write the music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1566.0,1673.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e So they had original music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1673.0,1675.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e They had original music. They won. And I was told that they won every year. I mean, he wasn't even in the school then. He had just graduated. But his brother [Eddie] was in that fraternity, his younger brother. So he had it in the bag, so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1675.0,1695.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Oh, that's fun. I can, I'm just imagining all of you as the Rockettes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1695.0,1702.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e It was such a boost to my self-esteem, which can get affected if you have even one parent with a personality disorder. 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You know what that is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1729.0,1792.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e SP classes. Special progress, I think it stood for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1792.0,1795.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly. You go from seventh grade to ninth grade, and he qualified. And I was told later on that you had to have a certain IQ to qualify. He's very smart. And he, I think, got all Fs and a D. I don't know how much of that he engineered [laughs] or...so then he, I think he got his degree in English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1795.0,1837.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e OK. But I was just wondering if it was more cultural expectations. The boy is going to have to go out and make a living, and it was still a time where the girl was going to get married and not have to worry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1837.0,1850.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e It was like on the cusp. Things were just starting to change. And getting back to those friends from Jamaica High School, they spent a whole year talking about all these colleges. And what I realized -- which I think was very intuitive of me -- that in that group, it was like a bell-shaped curve. There were very bright students with high grades, middle and some students who had low grades. And they were all talking about which colleges they were applying to. And that's when a bell rang in my head and I thought, \"God, if these people are going to college, shouldn't I be going to college?\" That was a turning point. That was an absolute turning point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1850.0,1916.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, so...but did any of them go to Queens College, or they all went away?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1916.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think any of them went to Queens College. Maybe one, I don't remember. But they all went to, they all went out of town for college. And then, of course, we lost touch after that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1920.0,1935.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e That happens. So you got your undergraduate degree from Queens College, and then you had to get a master's as a teacher. So did you go to Queens College for that too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1935.0,1948.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e That was...it was like Francis Lewis, being in the first graduating class. It was the first time the Board of Education of the City of New York had required the master's. And even at the beginning, I wasn't angry. I wasn't resentful of that because I had started to get it into my head that I would like to get a master's. In New York at the time also had these [pay] differentials.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1948.0,1984.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. What year are we talking about, roughly?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1984.0,1989.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e That I was in graduate school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1989.0,1992.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Is that the '60s? '70s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1992.0,1994.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e '68 to '71, because I was going at night and teaching all day, so. But I wanted to backtrack a little with that 2.0 GPA. I graduated with a 2.75 and I got my calculator out and I realized I had to have done pretty well in those last three years to get it up to 2.75. I mean, mathematically, I figured that out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=1994.0,2029.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Getting B pluses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2029.0,2033.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e I think Queens College graduate school required a 3.0. So I got in conditionally, but I did really well and I never heard anything more about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2033.0,2048.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e That was good, that was good. But I guess it was a whole different experience going to graduate school in the evening versus going as an undergraduate during the day, with social activities. And here you're working. And you're working in the Bronx, you said?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2048.0,2066.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm working in the Bronx. At some point I moved to Manhattan, so I was... Bronx to Queens, to Manhattan, to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2066.0,2073.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Bronx to Queens, to Manhattan, to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2073.0,2073.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Bronx to Queens, to Manhattan, to... What I did was, because one of my classes involved something that I could accomplish at my elementary school there. So, one day a week, I went to Queens and stayed overnight so I could go over to the elementary school and do the work I needed to do there. But, it was a lot of subway, a lot...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2073.0,2108.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Of bus. A lot of traveling, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2108.0,2112.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2112.0,2113.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Are there any teachers you remember well from Queens College? Any who encouraged...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2113.0,2120.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Only one. Only one. Marian -- I think her first name was Marian -- Martinello.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2120.0,2129.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e And she was in the ed department?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2129.0,2132.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e No. She was a Spanish teacher. And I was not the most respectful student. I mean, I came out of my family of origin with personality traits. I don't have a personality disorder, but I have personality traits that are not very positive and not very attractive. And so I think she might've remembered me as a troublemaker. But I ran into her like two years later at the...there was a movie theater in Fresh Meadows that became a Kmart. On Horace Harding Expressway. And I ran into her at the movie theater and she asked me what I was doing, and I told her that I was halfway through Queens College. I thought she was going to swallow her teeth. I think I was the last person in the world she expected to even go to college. I could see she was surprised. She's the only one I remember, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2132.0,2225.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e But this was a high school teacher? Or she was someone you had at Queens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2225.0,2228.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe it was. I thought it was Queens College. But I had a high school teacher...maybe it was Queens College too. I have a lot of trouble with Francis Lewis High School and Queens College. The teacher was taking the roll, so I guess it was high school. And when he got to me, he said, \"Horrible Horowitz?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2228.0,2254.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh! Oh, that was your maiden name, Horowitz?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2254.0,2259.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that's my name in the yearbook.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2259.0,2261.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e OK. Beverly Horowitz.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2261.0,2264.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e So yeah, I think I was a bit of a problem for some teachers. A few -- so one or two times -- letters went home suggesting discipline. My parents just looked at it and walked out of the room and never said a word. This was not their world. This was not their...they had no interest in any of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2264.0,2292.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess they...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2292.0,2293.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Although they did -- go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2293.0,2296.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I was going to say, I guess they were busy working to make a living, and...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2296.0,2301.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, my mother wasn't working. She never worked and her only work was before she married my father. And that was at a factory in New Jersey. So no, she didn't work. My father worked very long, unusual hours. And I can't even explain why they didn't order any consequences. I kind of had to self-discipline in a lot of ways, with dating and with boys. I had to self-discipline because they were so...it was not that they were working so long and hard, it was because partly it was a world unknown to them. But part of it was self-esteem. I remember once my mother saying, \"Oh, you think you're part of the intelligentsia now?\" Or, yeah, you're not good enough? I mean, \"We're not good enough?\" Or...there was such a lack of self-esteem. I mean, it was who they were. It was ingrained. 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And I thought, what's the point? It'll be just like the other graduation. My parents had gone to my undergraduate graduation and I thought, what's the point? And then I got a...it was a Queens College newspaper or flyer. I can't remember. And it said that Gloria Steinem was going to be the main speaker, and I rushed to get a token and get on that train. I was so excited. And I got a very close seat to the front [at graduation]. And I could see that she was wearing lavender suede boots and jeans under her gown. And, almost her entire presentation was about gender equality. And at one point she said something to the effect that until it becomes a job requirement to have a penis to enter this...I looked to the right of me and the left of me and these Jewish and Italian parents...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2402.0,2526.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Were like...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2526.0,2528.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Did she really just say the P word? It was great. I was so glad that I had gone to that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2528.0,2538.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, good. Well, that's a memory to have. So, you were teaching in New York City public schools for a while, and then you moved to Texas, where you taught for quite a number of years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2538.0,2551.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e I taught for 10 years in the Bronx and then 20 years in Austin and I bought...Texas is one of the states that allows you, they allow you to buy...now, they allow you credit for breathing, but back then it had to be certified and all of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2551.0,2583.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Was there a big difference between teaching in New York City schools and teaching in Austin schools?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2583.0,2591.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Very big, very big. I guess the biggest thing that hit me like a ton of bricks was in the Bronx, my last five years were teaching fifth grade. And there was class 5-1 ,5-2, 5-3, up to 5-10. That was a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2591.0,2616.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e That was a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2616.0,2616.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e That was a... It was a huge school. Huge school that was built at the turn of the last century. And I still remember the assistant principal coming in one day while we were on our planning periods or lunch, and he dropped a pile of this, can you see my hands?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2616.0,2636.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2636.0,2637.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Of cumulative folders from the basement. And the rule of law was that after 10 years, you had to destroy them. Well, there was 70 years, and when I looked at some of them, it was Greenberg, Goldfarb, Boccinelli. I mean, this was totally... Different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2637.0,2662.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2662.0,2662.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Different. So much was different. But the biggest difference between teaching in New York and Austin, in New York, 5-1 were the brightest students, and 5-10 were the slower students or slowest. I mean ten designations. Whereas in Austin, that did not exist. You kind of, I mean, if you had 5-10 students, they mostly were designated special ed students. But that was...at first, it was hard to overcome because it was so different for me. But then I fell in with what everybody else was doing, and it wasn't that big a deal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2662.0,2722.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e You enjoyed teaching, I guess, if you stayed with it for 30 years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2722.0,2727.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e I did. I did enjoy it. I enjoyed the kids. Especially the ones in the Bronx. I remember one day...well, I had one student who was very, very short for his age. And so that was, I guess, a big issue with him. And he came -- and he was African American -- and he came late every single day the whole year. And I should have asked him what was going on at home. And he would curse up a storm when I would say like, \"You're late.\" And I didn't go any further with it because I had to meet him where he was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2727.0,2787.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e And, another time I was walking on Fifth Avenue, which was unusual, because I lived on Second Avenue. And I was doing an errand or buying something, I can't remember. But I remember the street was so crowded and all of a sudden I got bopped over the head with an umbrella. And it hurt a little bit, but mostly my pride, I think. I saw this group of girls, like four or five. And so I went this way to go around them. That wasn't happening. They spread out. I went this way to go behind them and they spread out. And I think that's when a few tears started coming out of my eyes because I thought...and I told my students the next day, and this one girl said, \"Miss Horowitz, yesterday was Kill Whitey Day, and you were wearing the wrong colors.\" My planner had Washington's Birthday. Lincoln's Birthday, Arbor Day. There was no Kill Whitey Day. You know, I learned a lot of inner-city behaviors in, well, 10 years. I mean, you learn a lot about the neighborhood and the student body logistics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2787.0,2879.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e But when you taught in Texas, was it also a not particularly affluent area, or...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2879.0,2887.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e That was interesting. That was interesting. It was just pure luck. My first interview turned out to be...I think it was a sixth...they had sixth grade centers here in Austin. A few people told me that they did that to thwart integration. I don't know how that worked, but it was totally reasonable to think that because we were kind of like on the cusp, being in the South. We were not the first people in line to integrate, let's put it that way. There was a lot of resistance. And, of course most of it was about race, but a lot of it was about busing. Parents not wanting their student to be bused to a Black neighborhood. Austin is very peculiar. There's a highway that -- it's an interstate highway that goes from pretty much when Mexico, where Mexico ends and the United States begins, and then it goes all the way up to Michigan or something. I can't remember. I-35. And at some point a rule was passed. Oh, it was 1928. See, I just remember certain things. But to me, having become somebody who was, is involved in civil rights and race equality and all of that stuff, I...oh gosh, I don't know where I just left off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=2887.0,3010.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e You were talking about Austin and the highway and classes and how...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3010.0,3013.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I-35. In 1928, the city council voted to require, I guess maybe they had just started building I -35. It's fairly new. They required all African American and Mexican citizens to move to the eastern side of I-35. And if they didn't, they would have no water or electricity. And so to this day...it's changing, but not in a way that helps minorities, because it's so close to downtown that it has gentrified. And a lot of low-income people couldn't keep up their property taxes, which are high here because we don't have a state income tax.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3013.0,3078.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Can I ask you? So you taught in eastern Austin, you taught in the east?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3078.0,3083.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no. I taught in central Austin. Oh, that was another thread I didn't keep up with. Thank you so much, Rebecca. I was so lucky to wind up in a school...my first interview was in that almost all African American and Mexican. That was another thing. I had to transition from knowing all this about Puerto Rican culture...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3083.0,3117.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e To knowing about Mexican.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3117.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, very, I mean, totally different. Totally different. So that was...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3120.0,3125.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you have to know Spanish to teach there? Were you expected to speak Spanish to teach in those schools?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3125.0,3131.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e No. And after I was there for maybe three or four years, they started hiring and making bilingual classes available, because for the first few years there was nobody. I remember a boy coming in at the end of fifth grade and he spoke not a word of English, and I do speak some Spanish. I found out the place he was from in Puerto Rico. Very, very rural. He got up on the desk and started dancing the first day, wiggling and stuff. And I was like, \"Oh my gosh, what's going on here?\" I don't know, I didn't follow up on him, but he might've been the student who on a standardized test -- which Texas is very big on -- he pointed to a heart on the test and you had to choose the initial consonant. And he said, \"There's no V for Valentine.\" My heart broke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3131.0,3206.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e So the first interview, the school was all African American and Mexican students, and he made a comment to me towards the end of the interview. He said, oh -- I think I may have said something about how far away I lived. And I just moved here, I don't really know the lay of the land. And he inferred, or maybe it was even harsher than that, that the bottom line was that I just didn't want to teach African American and Mexican students. Which I really resented because that's what I had been doing for 10 years. And I had a last-minute interview. I was leaving, I was leaving Austin with my ex-husband to go cross country, well to California. And I was dressed in like camping clothes. And I had this interview and it went really well. And it was way, much closer to my house. Like 15, 17 minutes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3206.0,3284.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, how nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3284.0,3286.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, after being on the subway and 45 minutes door to door when I lived in Manhattan. And it was naturally integrated. It was a working, middle-class/working-class neighborhood. So I was really grateful for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3286.0,3313.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e And you stayed in the same school your whole career there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3313.0,3316.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, my first two months... I wasn't planning. I moved here like, the very end of January, and my game plan was, you're never going to have -- I mean, teachers are spoiled in having the whole summer off -- and I thought, except for summer, you're never going to have a break. So this is a perfect time -- February to May, because they end in May -- to kick back and learn. Drive around and learn about Austin. And so I got a call one day. Oh, I had an interview actually, and I thought they understood that I didn't...and I told them that. They said, we have a job for you. And I had been told over and over again, if you turn down too many jobs, you're not getting your foot in the door. I think the way I got my foot in the door was -- and this was a sixth grade, one of those sixth grade centers, and it was the last two months of the school year. Teacher left on maternity. So I taught -- there was a high group, a middle group and a low group. But I taught math and language arts. And it was an interesting experience, but I hadn't planned on doing that. The report cards were like in triplicate. You made a mistake...I mean, it was a very hard situation for me. So I got this job in central Austin and not only did I stay there for 20 years, I taught fourth grade for 20 years there. [Note: Interviewee adds that after she moved to Austin, she was accepted into a Ph.D. program at the University of Texas at Austin for rehabilitational counseling. She completed 15 hours of the program but then discontinued her studies due to a divorce.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3316.0,3446.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. So I'm curious, do you think of yourself as a Texan now or do you still, in your mind, are you from, a New Yorker?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3446.0,3458.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e This is my standard reply line. If you give me $2 million, I might be able to find a one-bedroom apartment in Manhattan. I have such a positive recollection of everything -- which there's a term for that. And I forget what it is, euphoric something or other. And I mean, it wasn't fabulous. It was great. It was a great experience. I can't take that away from New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3458.0,3491.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e OK. I know coming back, I guess, to being a girl from Queens. I always think of Manhattan was the ideal. To move to Manhattan. Was that for you? You had made it to Manhattan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3491.0,3507.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e That was the top rung of the ladder and it was...my first apartment was with three other women, and it was a two-bedroom though, so I mean that was ideal. And we subletted from two New York Jets rookie football players who had, they went back home after the season was over. And, the second apartment was a one-bedroom with one roommate who actually taught in the same school as I did. And my third apartment, when I lived alone, it was borderline disgusting. Second floor. Bars on the window-- not a good sign -- leading out to the alley. I was there for about a year and a half maybe. And then I fell into a rent --what did he call it, the renting agent? -- a certain percentage of the building was empty, and if they went above that, they had to have a rent sale. So, for $330, I got an L-shaped studio, hardwood floors, marble bathroom. You could look into Queens. You looked out -- 26th floor, looking out over the East River and you could see as far as Queens. And then out from the living room you could see the UN, which was two or three blocks away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3507.0,3623.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh wow. And how long were you there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3623.0,3627.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Unfortunately, only a year and a half. And what I found out years and years later is after I left, not that long a time, they had a lottery for going, turning the building condo. So you could pull out a two-bedroom, a one-bedroom at dirt cheap prices. 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Is there anything else you want to talk about, about Queens or your college experience before I let you go?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3742.0,3752.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3752.0,3753.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3753.0,3754.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn't realize we had gone that long.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3754.0,3757.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e It's fine, it's fine. But I just realized your voice might be giving out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3757.0,3763.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah. I never look at the time on the computer. That's why I'm up until three in the morning sometimes. I just don't look at it. Two points that I wanted to make. After I retired, I did a lot of tutoring and I taught ESL to adults through Austin Community College and substitute teaching. And then after I, when I reached 62 and took Social Security, I got involved with a group called Austin Justice Coalition. So I was a volunteer, or I described myself as a, what do you call a soldier? 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And I did a fair amount of speaking and emailing city council and taking petitions around, and got totally involved in African American issues. And coming from a fairly racist family, the ten years in the Bronx was what converted me. And living in Manhattan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=3822.0,3866.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e And the people I was meeting -- a whole different group of people, but then...Queens College was the icing on the cake I think. That's where the changes started. I didn't become politically involved, although I have in my picture album my name, I put yellow highlighter on it. It was a petition to end the war in Vietnam. But I wasn't involved until maybe 10 years ago or so. But, this change of thought began at Queens College, definitely. And I can't say enough about the school. And I wanted to mention the Jefferson Society because all these years...I think I spoke to Laurie [Dorf, of Queens College's Institutional Advancement office] about 10 years ago when I had a will drawn up and I left everything, my entire estate, to Queens College. And I thought about that and I thought, well who, what other entity would I choose? And the only other entity I could think of was the JCA, Jewish Community [Association] at the federal level. And I realized it was no contest. It was Queens College all the way. 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Certain days...I have to bring it to Skippy at the Austin Library who is in ninth grade and helps me with the computer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=4056.0,4081.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e But it's true! You have to find a kid if you need something with your cell phone or your whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=4081.0,4087.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e They do it because...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=4087.0,4090.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e My granddaughter who's 6 was explaining to me how to change the backgrounds when you're zooming on a cell phone. 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I have been trying to lead a more simple life, but it's not possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=4104.0,4116.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e No, you can't. You need to be connected. But anyway, I will let you go and when this is transcribed, I'll go through it with the recording to make sure that they got the grammar and spelling and things correctly. And then we'll send it to you so if there is anything that I got wrong, you can correct it. 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I don't remember getting it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=4156.0,4158.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e It's to allow...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=4158.0,4160.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Are they going to edit out the P word?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=4160.0,4163.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=4163.0,4164.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Gloria Steinem?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=4164.0,4166.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't think so. That's, you know...this is now 2025 and it's not a big deal. [laughs] OK. Well, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=4166.0,4176.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you for everything. I really appreciate the opportunity to do this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=4176.0,4180.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRebecca Rushfield:\u003c/strong\u003e Alright then. Bye-bye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=4180.0,4181.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240/transcript/81800/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBeverly Lazar:\u003c/strong\u003e Take care.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/154068/file/283240#t=4181.0,4182.0"}]}]}]}