{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/t727941s1r/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Francisco Tecaxco Oral History"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/010/original/Aviary_QPLlogo_192x192.png?1578574261","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSummary of Full Interview\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eFrancisco Tecaxco is a Worker Rights Coordinator, at  \u003ca href=\"https://www.nynice.org\"\u003eNew Immigrant Community Empowerment\u003c/a\u003e, or NICE, a workers’ rights organization based in Queens with branches around New York City. In this interview Tecaxco talks about his work at NICE helping immigrants secure forms and documents needed to work in the US, and specifically obtaining an OSHA license for construction work. NICE has workshops that teach plumbing, painting, framing, a mentoring program, and women only construction workshops. NICE also helps immigrants find resources to understand their rights as workers in the United States, and helps with other community issues like vaccine and food distribution.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eTecaxco also discusses \"Parada's\" or day labor stops, and in particular the \"69 Street Parada\" in Jackson Heights, Queens  - the largest in New York State and one of the largest in the nation. NICE is purposefully located near the 69th Street Parada, with branch outreach locations near other Parada’s in the city. In addition NICE does political advocacy for immigrant workers and has worked on passing bills in New York State such as the Green Light Bill, which allows people obtain a driver’s license regardless of immigration status - they are currently working on “The Sweat Bill” which is targets wage-theft by employers – specifically from immigrant workers.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCC BY-NC-SA Contact digitalarchives@queenslibrary.org for research and reproduction requests.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["http://digitalarchives.queenslibrary.org/search/browse/40399"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2021-04-14 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Video"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Francisco Tecaxco (Interviewee)","Deirdre Nolan (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source"]},"value":{"en":["Interview conducted as part of “Building Culture Architecture As Apparatus and Social Process” for Unit 25 at the Spitzer School of Architecture at the City College of New York."]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["2018-2021 (temporal)","Jackson Heights and Woodside, Queens, NY (spatial)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSummary of Full Interview\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eFrancisco Tecaxco is a Worker Rights Coordinator, at\u0026nbsp; \u003ca href=\"https://www.nynice.org\"\u003eNew Immigrant Community Empowerment\u003c/a\u003e, or NICE, a workers\u0026rsquo; rights organization based in Queens with branches around New York City. In this interview Tecaxco talks about his work at NICE helping immigrants secure forms and documents needed to work in the US, and specifically obtaining an OSHA license for construction work. NICE has workshops that teach plumbing, painting, framing, a mentoring program, and women only construction workshops. NICE also helps immigrants find resources to understand their rights as workers in the United States, and helps with other community issues like vaccine and food distribution.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eTecaxco also discusses \"Parada's\" or day labor stops, and in particular the \"69 Street Parada\" in Jackson Heights, Queens \u0026nbsp;- the largest in New York State and one of the largest in the nation. NICE is purposefully located near the 69th Street Parada, with branch outreach locations near other Parada\u0026rsquo;s in the city. In addition NICE does political advocacy for immigrant workers and has worked on passing bills in New York State such as the Green Light Bill, which allows people obtain a driver\u0026rsquo;s license regardless of immigration status - they are currently working on \u0026ldquo;The Sweat Bill\u0026rdquo; which is targets wage-theft by employers \u0026ndash; specifically from immigrant workers.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCC BY-NC-SA\u0026nbsp;Contact digitalarchives@queenslibrary.org for research and reproduction requests.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Queens Public Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Queens Public Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/010/original/Aviary_QPLlogo_192x192.png?1578574261","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/123/538/small/Screenshot_%28171%29.jpg?1632232449","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Francisco_Texaco_Interview_2021-0414convert.mp4"]},"duration":2053.81842,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/123/538/small/Screenshot_%28171%29.jpg?1632232449","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-queenslibrary.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/123/538/original/Francisco_Texaco_Interview_2021-0414convert.mp4?1631794363","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":2053.81842,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Full Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Okay. I think it started. All right. So thanks again, Francisco, for agreeing to speak with me. I've got a list of questions and some of them have multiple parts. So, you know, feel free to pick and choose what parts you want to answer or can answer. So, my first is: what are the main limitations to finding a job for your workers besides migratory status?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=2.0,31.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: So, in our despacho de trabajo , which is our worker center for workforce development, other than migration status, it's just them having the right licenses, like the OSHA 30, the SST, scaffold [inaudible] cards. That's an issue because, as of March 1st, 2021, you need to have the OSHA 40 to work on a construction site or else the company will get fined when an inspector comes and they don't have those cards. So right now it's a really big issue. Another big issue is we give out the OSHA for free, but we're pretty limited. Sometimes the people who do want to get the OSHA don't have the right documents, like an ID that lists their address or something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=31.0,94.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: Sometimes they struggle with that because they don't have a passport from their country or they don't have any other identification or the only identification is their passport. And sometimes they don't have a bank account. They're only renting a room, so they're not paying for the gas bill. So it's hard to get those documents when you're a new immigrant. And then it makes it even harder when you do want to work in construction, you do want the OSHA, but since you don't have all those materials, you cannot get the OSHA. Obviously, we work with them. We write them a letter. We try to help them in the best way possible. Before the pandemic, we'll get them the New York City ID and, you know, then they'll qualify, but it does take time. But that's why they're limited--they don't have time for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=94.0,146.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Okay. Yeah. How often do you offer your OSHA classes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=146.0,153.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: So each week we offer between two to three different classes. In them, there's 25 students. Before the pandemic, it was two classes, but there were 40 people the OSHA class. Right now they have all been virtual. About three months ago, we started having a monthly class that is present. We rent out a church that has a big diner hall. So everybody can be socially-distanced. The doors are open, that way there's ventilation. And so they can take the OSHA class because another big problem that's happening right now, because of the pandemic, is our classes are virtual. And sometimes our members don't have a laptop. They don't have wifi. They don't know how to use Zoom. There are many times when [members say], \"Hey, I don't know how to use Zoom.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=153.0,203.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: And I'll download the Zoom app on their phone, I'll show them how to use Zoom, I'll create a Zoom link and I'll log them in. I'm like, \"Hey, this is how you mute yourself, this is how you unmute yourself, this is how you log in, this is what you have to do.\" And some of them do get it, but for others, it's pretty hard. So they're limited to that. That's another reason why we have a long list because they're also waiting for the class to be a physical class. They can't do the virtual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=203.0,234.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Do you hope to do more OSHA classes once, you know, everyone's vaccinated and we can all gather indoors again. Is that something that's gonna pick up again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=234.0,254.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: Yeah, definitely. We obviously want to, we want to get more of these resources. Unfortunately, we're limited. During the pandemic, we didn't have the staff, but we did have the finances to have more classes. So we hire an ally called Action OSH. They're a collective that does low-cost OSHA classes. So we hired them because one, they are low cost. We trust them and we pay for everything. We pay the price for the classes, we pay for the OSHA card. So we send our members over there. Now we do have more staff, so we are doing more classes but we're still in a partnership with them. We're still doing that. So we can have as many classes as possible because that's something that our community does.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=254.0,301.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: And what was the name of that organization?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=301.0,304.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: It's, it's a collective called Action OSH.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=304.0,311.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Okay, great, wrote that down. So, my next question is: what is the general scope and variety of the work that your workers perform and what type of experience do they come to the job with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=311.0,331.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: Everybody comes from a very different experience. We have people who, in their country, there were electricians, there were architects. It really varies. Obviously, people who have a higher education will find better jobs than some of their peers. Also, when you're an immigrant and you have a little bit of a higher education, or when you...I came at the age of five from Mexico, so I spent my entire schooling here. So obviously, I was able to find other resources, which is something that I was able to do [with greater success than] someone who doesn't have that privilege, because that is a privilege. And, you know, they don't know that they have all these rights, that they have all these resources available to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=331.0,383.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: They think, \"Since I'm undocumented, I don't have any rights.\" And, you know, that's something that we do here. Uh, but it's really diverse. There are people who only worked in the kitchen, but they want to work in construction because of the pandemic. And we help them get the OSHA. And then we do our workshops that teach them plumbing, painting, and framing, so that way they have that knowledge. So when they go to the construction site, they're not clueless. They have all these resources available now to new people. And then we always have members, we call them maestros, which is like master, who is someone that already knows what to do. And we rely on them like, \"Hey, if you find a job, remember there's people here that you can train.\" So sometimes they'll come and be like, \"Hey, like I need two workers. I'm working on this project.\" And, you know, that's great because they're not forgetting where they came from. When they came here, they didn't have nothing. We helped them. They craft their skill sets and now they're able to do bigger projects, which they lead on. And they come to us and tell us, \"Hey, send some members here.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=383.0,471.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Yeah, yeah. That actually brings me into my next question. I'm really interested in hearing more about these workplace safety and workforce development trainings that you do. You mentioned plumbing, wall framing, a couple others. I'm wondering, can you speak to the importance of those classes and maybe where you do them in your space. Or do you rent out that church space that you work in? If you're teaching a plumbing class, for example, what are the type of materials and tools that need to be brought in? How do you facilitate that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=471.0,523.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: So we have an instructor, it's Juan Jose [inaudible], we call him Tito, he likes to be called Tito. We certify the people who take these courses because they are 10-hour courses, and they do get certified for this, they do get a certificate. We do rent out the church and NICE buys all the material. For example, for painting [classes], we buy the paint. We buy wood, brushes, and we show them, \"this is how you paint.\" For plumbing, I'm not so sure [inaudible]. We did two things: in the beginning of the pandemic, it was only through Facebook live. Now we started doing in-person classes where we could certify people because that's what people need.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=523.0,576.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: A lot of people, they watched it through Zoom and they watched it through Facebook live and now they're getting certified because they're coming to the courses and they're just like, \"Okay, so this is what he said in the last Facebook live, and now I'm doing it in person and they're teaching me again.\" So we do buy those materials. Um, unfortunately I haven't been to them because they're usually at night, and I work in the morning. So these classes, we also try to make them accessible. So they will be on the weekends or at 5:00 PM, from 5:00 PM to 10:00 PM. And then again the next day, 5:00 PM to 10:00 PM.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=576.0,615.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Yeah. Yeah. That's great. How do people hear about those classes? Is it all through Facebook, email, word of mouth?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=615.0,625.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: It's word of mouth, and also we post on Facebook. We have three membership meetings every month, a meeting of women, where only our women on staff and members go to this meeting to talk about women in the construction site, because it's a very different experience. We have our general meeting where anybody can join, and then we have our leadership meeting. NICE has been around for 21 years, and we have over members in our database. So every time we put something [out there], it gets spread around really fast because it's on Facebook, it gets shared, people talk about it. In our space, in our center, we have big windows that...you know, Pedro and you helped us make that banner for vaccines. So now a lot of people are coming to us. They're like, \"Hey, I heard you're helping with the vaccine--we're not able to get one because it's really challenging.\" I remember the first day when we put that out, we got a thousand requests. We're getting a lot of requests, and some [calls] are like, \"Hey, it's been two weeks and I haven't gotten the vaccine yet.\" There has been a lot of people and we tell them, \" We'll get you, you know, we'll call you.\" So, yeah, anything that NICE does gets spread really fast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=625.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: And do you think having that storefront space helps? You mention the banner. I mean, if you look at your site, it's plastered with information. Constantly people are stopping to look, you know? So I imagine location is like key.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=720.0,744.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: Yeah, exactly. We're two blocks from the Parada and it's only because [inaudible] we've been doing food distribution as well. So people know, and not only Latin American people are coming to us. We had Asian people, we have east Asian people be like, \"Hey, like we need help getting the vaccine.\" And, you know, we gave them to them and we're like, \"Hey, we have some vaccines through the Colombian consolate, it's in the Colombian counsolate.\" And they're like, \"Yeah, yeah, that's fine. I know where it is,.\" I spoke to someone and they were Japanese and I was like, \"That's pretty cool, I didn't even know where the Colombian consolate was.\" But yeah, we send a diverse group because we're open to everybody. We are open to everybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=744.0,787.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Yeah. That's that's Queens for ya. Uh, so my next question is, oh, well, I guess we addressed this, the classroom space and special equipment. On the same topic of the trainings and workshops, how many people are you realistically able to accommodate lon a daily basis, weekly basis?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=787.0,818.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: For OSHA, or just the training or everything in general?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=818.0,823.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Well, you did touch on the OSHA capacity. Uh, so maybe just the trainings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=823.0,830.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: It is between 15 to 20 people. Well, we reach out to 25 people, but they all have to do COVID testing. And unfortunately that sometimes kills five people. Like, if you don't have your COVID [testing], five people are not able to come through. We're left with 20. Sometimes people are not able to show up because they got a job last minute. So it happens or something happens. We can only have so many people, one, in the space and two, we do want people to have a good experience and the more people means that our instructors are less likely to help them. So we do limit it, it [was] usually between like 10 to 15 people before. That way our instructor Tito can really support them and show them how to develop the skills.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=830.0,888.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Yeah, that makes sense. When you're dealing with hands-on learning, you need time and devoted attention from an instructor. So that makes sense. You know what I'm wondering, I'm wondering about tools and whether your workers, do they typically use their own tools or are they provided to them? Do they ever share tools with their colleagues or peers? What kind of tools, or skills for that matter, make a worker more desirable, for lack of a better word, to an employer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=888.0,945.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: Yeah, it does help because usually some people in the Parada, they need something to make repairs, and they might not have those tools. So if you don't have those tools, then you cannot get that job. But if you do have the tools and you're carrying them around, then yeah, you'll be hired for that day because you do have the equipment. I know our members, some try to rent from hardware stores. In the pandemic, NICE provided 20 bags of tools to some members, people who lost their homes, people who had a fire in their house, things like that. So we did allocate funds. We try to do this--we give out free helmets for construction work. A helmet only has six years of life. We do try to get these tools because I know it's really important for them. And it's also really hard. I'm not so sure about the sharing. I picture that they'll probably rent it to other members, but it's a little tricky because tools are really special because and you've got to take care of them really well. So it's hard for someone with rentals...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=945.0,1036.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Right, right. Yeah. I found in all this research and talking to people, it's surprising how the proper safety equipment is not always provided to people for jobs. That's great to hear that about distributing helmets. I'm interested in the bag of tools that you you provided to some people--what was in it? Just curious?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1036.0,1071.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: It was 20 of them. It was a drill, hammer, wrenches, measuring tape. I'm horrible at construction work and tool names. Usually when members come, I'll look for somebody else who is more knowledgeable, because I'm more of an organizer, so it gets tricky. I'm learning these things as I go, but yeah. Then there were gloves and glasses. We gave them a little box that you could roll, it's like a little book bag. So it wasn't just the tools we gave them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1071.0,1125.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Yeah. I think I know what you're talking about, like a little bag on wheels. Yeah, I know don't what the name is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1125.0,1130.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Cool. That's really cool. Yeah, I'm always surprised, you guys really do so, so much. You don't just do one thing. It's like, you know, a shoe drive one weekend and then you're distributing tools the next. It's just great how dynamic your organization is. The question I wanted to ask was, how do neighbors feel about people congregating along 69th street?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1130.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: So from my experience, and I've been working here for about a year, and I used to live by there, I want to say five years ago, I lived for six years close to the Parada. When I used to bike to work, I stopped by there. I haven't seen the community complain, I haven't seen police there trying to kick them out. I know sometimes there are little fights between them, which is pretty rare, but because the Parada is so long [inaudible]. So I haven't seen the community say, \"Hey, what are they doing here?\" Also, with our Parada, we're right there, and they know we're going to support them. If something happens, we're going to be out there to see what's going on. I can imagine another place, maybe somewhere in the South, or other places where there are Paradas, it might be a little bit more difficult or there'll be pushback from the community, depending on where they are. From what I know, the 69th St Parada, I haven't heard any negativity about the community because most of the people that are living in this community are Latinos and they know they're not doing nothing wrong there. They're trying to make an honest living by trying to find a job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1170.0,1261.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't remember now if I ever asked this--I know nice has been around for what you said 20, 21 years, but you weren't always in that location you're in now, right? When did you move to that location? And was it because of the parada?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1261.0,1286.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: So when NICE first started, it was across the street from where we are in a basement. And then they had to move somewhere close to Eightieth St and Roosevelt, around that area. I want to say around seven years that NICE has been here, maybe a little longer. And yeah, that was the goal, to be as close to the Parada as possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1286.0,1317.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: Yeah, I see why that's important. Um, so this last question I had prepared was: what are the tactics for organizing people, at the parada and other informal hiring hubs in New York. Do you visit those other ones? Where are they are? What neighborhoods? I'm wondering, are there any reasons why a worker would be skeptical of working with you guys? And if so, how do you build trust?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1317.0,1361.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: Yeah, definitely. So our tactics for organizing involves being very honest with them and letting them know that every time we organize, it's going to take time. And by time we mean years. Like the Green Light Bill, it took 15 years. We're we're working on the Sweat Bill that has been now, I think, five years. And, you know, we tell them that it's going to take years. Unfortunately, when we do wage-theft cases or to change something, we tell them it's going to take years. And unfortunately that's the truth, but we're going to be be working hard on it. A lot of our members do get frustrated. They're like, \"No, there's no point in going to these rallies and marches in Albany, nothing changes. Because it just takes so long and they're like, \"For what? It's going to take so many years, but we need it now.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1361.0,1410.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: We understand the frustration. For a lot of our members, they understand what we've been doing, they saw the Green Light Bill passed. They saw how agencies can charge you without finding you a job and NICE was a part of working on that. They see the work that we do, and it's been 21 years, and they know they can rely on us. So when the members come to meetings, we ask them, \"What do you want from us? How should we approach this? What do you want NICE to do?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1410.0,1449.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: They do take a very big role and there's always wanting to see that there are options. Like, this is where we see it being done. That's our organizing approach. And since we've been here for 21 years, I think that makes my job really easy because people already know NICE and trust them. They already know us, they like working with us. There have been a couple of members who were part of us and then they just left. And I want to say that's mainly because leadership keeps changing. They get so attached to somebody at NICE, and when they leave, they're like, \"You know, I don't want to be there when they're always changing people.\" Which, you know, is something that is hard to control, having somebody stay in a workplace.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1449.0,1510.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: Also, sometimes they want to have a more radical action, which we might not be able to because of people's safety. Because NICE, whenever there's arrests or something like that, we don't take part in that because, you know, most of our members are undocumented. Unless they really want to, we obviously don't discourage that. If that's something that they want to do, they're more than welcome, and we'll provide them with the correct tools. So [we tell them], \"This is the process, this is what will happen, and we will be there for you.\" But you know, we're not going to stop anybody from doing anything. But we do try to find the best possible choices to make. Sometimes people don't agree with it, and that's perfectly fine. And, you know, we might not agree on this one, the next one we might agree and we continue working. So I could see how some people have fallen out from the membership because of those reasons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1510.0,1577.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: I know there were a couple of questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1577.0,1581.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: There were a few in this one. Are you only organizing the people at 69th Street or are you going, you know, I know you have different locations now...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1581.0,1593.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: Yeah. So, in Brooklyn, we're near about three to four Paradas. So I know my colleague Rob is visiting and doing outreach over there and the Bronx, there's a really big Parada. They try to do some outreach, which is also really hard. Last year I went to the Flushing Parada to do some outreach. I go to the 69th St Parada pretty frequently. And sometimes all of them just come here because we give out hot meals. They know if they can't get a job for the day, they can come here and get a warm meal and they don't have to worry about spending money on their meal. Then they have some way to save even though they couldn't find a job. So then we talk about those things, like any questions that they have. But because NICE has been around for 21 years, so many people come and we also don't want to make like crazy outreach to Paradas and not deliver. Right now to get the OSHA 40 from us, it's gonna take somewhere between two to three months, unfortunately, because we give it out for free and there's so many people who need it. We don't want to reach out to all these other Paradas and be like, \"Yeah, we can help you, but you got to wait four months, five months for this help.\" There's no point in that. Obviously people come and hear from us. We will help them, but we will be realistic with them. Like, hey, like this is going on. And we do find alternatives. We could refer you somewhere else that's low cost, like Action OSHA. And they'll give you the class a little sooner, but if it is on the cost you something. We also do give out this discounts. When we refer them, they take off 50 or 100 dollars from the class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1593.0,1706.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: So we do try to find alternatives. We try. But yeah, it's really hard to do outreach when there's so many people already come to you for help. We don't want to give false hope or say, \"Yeah, we're going to help you, but it's gonna take a couple of months.\" We don't want that to be the process. Unfortunately, it's a little like that, but we tell them, \"Hey, this is why it's taking so long, but these are the steps, you know?\" And then they're like, \"Okay, you know what? I'll wait two to three months.\" Because we explained to them so well how everything else is on board.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1706.0,1747.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Yeah. Yeah. Like you said, it takes time. You mentioned a couple of bills in in your response--what were they Green Light bill? What is that one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1747.0,1765.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: That one is for undocumented people to be able to have a driver's license.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1765.0,1769.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1769.0,1771.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: Right now we're working on the Sweat Bill and wage-theft cases. A lot of times what happens is, let's say I'm working for you, Deirdre, and I put a lawsuit on you, right? It's going to take a couple of years. It's one to five years for that case to go to court. While we're doing that, you put your business, your house, all of your belongings under Pedro's name. So when you go to court, you tell the judge, \"I'm bankrupt, I don't have any money.\" And then you don't have to pay me anymore. So that has been going on a lot. There's a pattern, we hear these cases where this person is hiring 40 people. It doesn't pay them, the company is renamed, and hires another 40 people, it doesn't pay them. So what the Sweat Bill would do is this: once we report a wage-theft case, it's going to put all of your assets on hold in the company. You can't change the name, you can't take money out of your bank account. Then when we go to court, everything will be there, so it will show that you're able to pay it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1771.0,1841.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: That's pretty big.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1841.0,1843.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: It's been going on for, I want to say like five years. It hasn't gotten passed yet, but we're always trying to make that change. And we tell our members. \"Unfortunately, it's gonna take years, but if we never give up on it, we're gonna get it.\" Look at the Green Light Bill - it took 15 years and we didn't give up on it. Other people didn't give up on it and we got it now. I know NICE has also worked in a bunch of other bills. I don't know all of them, but they've been working on this bill where if a construction worker dies, the company has to pay a $10,000 fine, and we want that fine to be 1 million. That way, they will prioritize safety for the workers, not because they care for them, but because now it's really going to cost them a big chunk of money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1843.0,1895.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Yeah. I mean, how can you put that little money on a human life? And yeah, it's sick that you have to incentivize people with money to take care of their workers, but that's the reality we live in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1895.0,1913.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: Yeah. I know. And NICE has been working on a lot of other bills. I don't have the knowledge of them, but I know our directors have always been working on those. I know one of them is trying to get tracking. The labor department should have a tracking system for when someone gets injured or dies in the workplace. If someone dies in Manhattan, they're going to get a lot of media attention, but if someone dies in Queens, Corona, they might not get that much attention, so it would be hard for us to know. Or if someone dies on Long Island, it's going to be challenging. There's no way to track that, so that's something that NICE has been also working on. And, you know, unfortunately, it takes years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1913.0,1965.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Yeah. Yeah. So, those were all of my questions. Was there anything else you had wanted to add?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1965.0,1975.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: No, that'd be all. I do have a question for you. We have an event on Saturday. We're going to paint some more banners in the church and probably next Saturday as well. So I'll send you an email with the date. If you're able to come out, that'd be great. We want to prepare for April 28th, which is National Fallen Worker Day, something like that. And you're welcome to come to both. Also on May 1st, we're going to be in our Brooklyn office. We're going to have another event.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=1975.0,2022.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Okay, great. Yeah. I'll write all those dates down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=2022.0,2035.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deirdre Nolan: Well, I'll look out for that. I just wanted to thank you again. This was great. I think it's going to be very important to have for the Queens library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=2035.0,2048.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538/transcript/32134/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco Tecaxco: Right. Yeah. Thank you, Francisco. Take care.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/50669/file/123538#t=2048.0,2053.81842"}]}]}]}