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So we start all the interviews just by asking if you could give like, a brief introduction and your, like a chronology of your time at the Conservancy and your role.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1.0,13.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: OK. I first started getting involved in this project in, I'd say, 2002. My son was in fifth grade and he had to do a school project on, uh, interview someone in your community who's lived there a long time. So I said, OK, well, most of the kids interviewed their next door neighbor or their father or. So I said, why don't we interview this, this person that I keep seeing on, uh, in the news all the time, Mandingo Tshaka. So he came over to our house and he gave a very good interview with my son and they hit it off very well. And, uh, and you know, we found out a lot about what -- it was called Martin's Field at the time, and how he was -- it was a, um, a playground at the time, kind of a decrepit-looking playground. But, uh, and how, uh, it can't be called a park because it's a cemetery. People are buried there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=13.0,81.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: So we, we, we kept in con-, in contact. And the next thing I know, it's 2006 and, um, Mandingo had worked with [then New York City Councilman] John Liu to, uh, to get rid of the playground and, and turn it into the condition that it is now with, uh, with a, uh -- it had a big rotunda and it was very -- it was somebody's nice idea of a memorial, but you still couldn't tell that it was a cemetery and not just a park. And, um, Mandingo formed -- called me up and said, hey, we want to form a conservancy for this, uh, for this park. Although it's not a park, it's own -- property owned by the Parks department that should be called something that's not a park. But, and I said, yeah, I don't know anything about making a park conservancy. He said, oh well we'll find, I'm sure we'll find something that you could do for us.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=81.0,148.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: And it, you know, it was very nice and he, he got together a bunch of his friends and we all had different talents. And I ended up doing, um, like, all their printed graphics, they needed stationery. And, and they, they needed a pamphlet in order to introduce themselves. And I, I was very good at designing all that stuff. And I, I printed it all up for them and, you know, used my home printer and didn't charge it. So I think that was 2007 that we, we formed the confer- Conservancy and that's been the job that I've done. And I've also, uh, whenever anyone has handed me any kind of document, I've scanned it and kept it on my computer. So I'm sort of like an archivist too, to help out. So, you know, I've always believed in social justice and this is one, one way that I felt I could contribute by, by helping as much as I could.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=148.0,209.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: So we spoke with, um, Maureen, because she handles like volunteers, but since you handled, like, I guess you could say uh, like, um, the aesthetics of the Conservancy in terms of like all the kinds of materials, was there, like a way that you tried to, like, was there anything in terms of design that you kept in mind? Because I know when we spoke to Maureen, we spoke about how, when like trying to attract volunteers or like gain, I guess publicity for the burial ground, a really important aspect is how you present a burial ground to people. So, like in terms of the printed materials, how did you present the burial ground to like potential patrons, or those who might be interested in like, assisting in getting the site the recognition, and kind of fighting against this recognition as a park instead of a burial ground?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=209.0,256.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: Well, we, we, the whole Conservan-, the Conservancy, which is very small, we all got together and agreed on wording as, as to how to describe the history of the site and what we'd like to see done with the site, and some photos. I could, I could send you that pamphlet, if you'd like, uh, I could email it to you. OK.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=256.0,278.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nKevin O'Leary: Before you continue, is this by any chance the pamphlet, or -- ?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=278.0,285.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: Yeah!\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=285.0,285.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nKevin O'Leary: OK, just making sure. Cool. We're familiar with your work.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=285.0,285.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: OK. It was, I, you know, I never did anything like that before. It was an interesting experience and, uh, you know, I thought it came out OK. Especially when we went to Community Board, um, Community Board 7, when we were applying to, uh, get the name of it changed from Martin's Field, because Martin was a, uh, friend of Robert Moses, and get it changed to Olde Towne of Flushing Burial Ground. And we handed out those pamphlets and some member came over to me and said, \"Oh, I see you've done a bunch of fund-raising. Look at these pamphlets.\" And, and, you know, it was just something I did on my, my, my printer.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=285.0,331.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: So prior to working with the Conservancy, we know that you're part of the, the, um, what is it, North Shore Audubon Society?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=331.0,338.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=338.0,338.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: Prior to working with the Conservancy were you involved in any other form of activism, or if it was like working with the Conservancy your first foray into it?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=338.0,347.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: I, I would say the Conservancy was my first -- my first project. And then, and then, um, uh, the way my life had worked out, I, I, had time to, to go bird watching and I got involved with the Audubon Society and the [Queens County] Bird Club, and, and then, and, that, that's what I've been spending most of my time at lately, going out on walks and running walks, bird walks and stuff like that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=347.0,376.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: Could you talk a little bit about what you think they relate? Like we asked with Maureen, like, since she's also involved with, what is it, Green Earth Urban Gardens? We were asking, what do you think, or at least your opinions on the relationship between the importance of having a green space, like the burial ground, which is also a sacred site, but the importance of having a space for like, contemplation in like, a city, like New York, like, how do you feel these spaces should be -- how you feel the public should interact with these spaces?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=376.0,406.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: Oh, of course, of course there should be as much gardening and pleasant background as possible in, in, in, in a public space like that. Uh, to, to me a site that just has concrete and, and stone is not that interesting, but having some plants, the plants attract birds, uh, you know, a little, whatever, little piece of nature that we can get out of, out of each of the sites is good.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=406.0,441.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: So, in your time with the Conservancy, like how would you describe how taking an active role in the community, how has it like, affected your life, because prior to working with the Conservancy, like, I know I asked about activism, but in general, were you involved in like, any, like -- how knowledgeable would you say were you, were you of the community? Because during this time we've been doing these interviews, we've been asking other Conservancy members, whether they thought the general public had any idea that the burial ground actually exists. And most of them tend to agree that most people aren't really aware that it's there. So prior to working with the Conservancy, would you say you were like at, like at all involved in that level of like, community knowledge?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=441.0,484.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: Um, I, I would, I would say no. At the time that I got involved, my, my, uh, my children were sort of young and all of my effort was into getting them to do their homework and getting them to school and, and, and bringing them to their sporting events and socializing that way. And, and, and this was, this was nice, being able to, to step out of that and, and grow a little bit. It was great.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=484.0,516.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: So in your time, like, another question that we've asked other Conservancy members was like, this past year, you know, the Black Lives Matter protests and this sort of, I guess you could say, like to some degree like, reckoning with racial politics in the United States, a site like the burial ground, which is basically, you know, an example of how African-American and Native American histories and other marginalized peoples can be like, just swept under the rug. Do you think a site like the burial ground, especially like, with the new president coming in, and the whole, like, I guess you could say shifting political atmosphere in the st-, in the country, do you think a site like the burial ground and other sites similar to it will sort of gain, um, more community traction in terms of people becoming more interested in these histories that, like prior, since it was just, people knew it as a playground that they were con-, uh, content to kind of ignore previously?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=516.0,568.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: I think, I think, uh, that this is really a great way. I, I think this is really a moment when it will be getting the recognition that it needs. A lot of the people who use the site right now...well, I mean, just before they started the construction on it, they would run soccer games on it, they'd walk their dogs on it. They would -- part, part of what we were trying to do is get it recognized as a burial ground so that people would show respect to it. I think maybe now the time has come for, for that to happen. This is a piece of history that completely reflects the lack of respect to, uh, to, to the African-Americans who were here in the, in, in the 18- 1800s.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=568.0,621.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: So how would you say working with the burial ground has -- because I know you said that it provided you an opportunity to grow as a person -- and even maybe not just the burial ground, but also your time with the Audubon Society. How would you say these kinds of community activism groups have like, helped you, I guess not just become more aware of like a role, an active role you can take as a citizen, but also what kind of personal benefits do you feel like you've accrued in your time working with these groups?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=621.0,649.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: OK. At, at Audubon and the Bird Club -- they, they've taught me a lot. They taught me how to go out into the, into the woods and, and, and identify birds and look at plants and look at insects and look at everything. And, uh, they, they've taught me a lot and they've also taught me, hey, you can, I could also run these trips. So it's, it's, it's, uh, it's kind of provided more of a purpose in my life than uh, than if I hadn't gotten involved.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=649.0,684.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: Especially in the aftermath, I guess of, you know, COVID-19, since we're all kind of constrained to our houses, once, I guess, you know, we're allowed to be like, kind of go back to how we once were, albeit probably with like masks still, but how do you these sort of environmental groups -- what kind of role would they take place now that people might be realizing how much they took for granted, simple things like being able to go for a walk and just being out in nature?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=684.0,710.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: I, I, the, um, the Audubon Society and the Bird Clubs have picked up in membership tremendously for people who, who have nothing else to do besides go out and take a walk and enjoy the, enjoy the outdoors. So it's, it's, it's really, it's really helped us.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=710.0,731.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nKevin O'Leary: Uh, I have a question. One difficulty that we're actually facing, I guess, uh, that's sort of like looming over this documentary process is that we are unfortunately unable to really talk with Mandingo because of the state of his health. And, um, but I, I was really fascinated by your, uh, encounter with him. 'Cause it seems very different from everyone else that we've talked to. You just reached out to him from reading in the newspaper. So I guess he was, I guess it was like more -- it was big enough that you'd noticed it in the newspaper. Um, but then I'm, I was really curious about that process from, you know, seeing him in the newspaper, inviting him over for an interview and, uh, you know, like what was your impression of Mandingo? Maybe share some anecdotes, um, that, it would really be helpful to our documentary to get, you know, some, uh, you know, personal experience and thoughts on Mandingo.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=731.0,783.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: Oh, well he, he was kind of this larger-than-life person. He had, he had beautiful, um, African-American, I will call it regalia. He had a gown and jewelry and he looked so impressive and, you know, he was like, uh, a walking black pride symbol, but, but, but he was a very, you know, he was generous with his time as far as, you know, talking to me and my son. And he was always going out into the community, trying to, uh -- he lived near Marie Curie Playground [in Bayside], which at the time was having problems with, um, with drug dealers, and he would go out there and throw them out himself. So that, that was the Mandingo that I know of. (Um, oh, let me turn off my, um, turn this off.) That's the Mandingo that I remember from 2002, as opposed to, uh, as opposed to the way he is now. Unfortunately it's not going to get better and you really can't interview him yourself.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=783.0,863.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: One, uh, another aspect that we were hoping to use this documentary was sort of as like a white paper, like almost like provide some instructions for those people who don't have any experience in community organizing to provide like a few tips. So what tips would you give to someone who was like, has never had experience in these types of community projects and is interested, but doesn't really have any idea of where to start or feels intimidated by the whole idea?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=863.0,893.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: I don't know what's the best way to start. I, I, I really wasn't one of the ones who was organizing and planning and doing. I would say Mandingo and, uh, do you -- have you spoken with Henry Euler?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=893.0,910.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: Yeah, we've spoken to the Eulers.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=910.0,911.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: Yeah, yeah. He, he's been involved in, um, community boards and various organizations for many years and he seemed to have the savvy of, \"OK, let's write to this, that and the other politician. Let's, let's put all these people on our letterhead and as we get more people we'll improve, we'll improve our letterhead to include more of them so anyone who's thinking of saying no is going to say, \"Oh wow, I'm going to be uh, left out of it.\" I, I guess, I guess that's probably more a question that he would answer the best 'cause he did most of that kind of work.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=911.0,952.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: Yeah. I just asked because I think it's an interesting contrast, because like you were saying Mandingo, Robbie the Eulers, they seem to have more experience with, I guess like the bureaucratic side of the Conservancy, but it's interesting like, you even say how you didn't come into this with like, as much experience as an activist, but I would argue that a lot of people who, kind of have an inkling or like an itch to get involved with community projects are also in the same place where they're kind of unsure of what to do. So, would you say -- and maybe the Audubon Society is kind of like, a better example of this because I assume most people who are there, they're just like, maybe like, people who have a casual interest in birds, but they're taking their next step in the interest is like going for walks. So how, how would you kind of, I guess like, almost like compare the sort of activist -- because the Audubon Society is a good example of environmental activism by raising awareness of the natural environment. So how would you kind of compare and contrast the, the activism that takes place in the Audubon Society, and I guess you could say like the more formal or bureaucratic, like, focused activism of the Burial Ground?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=952.0,1023.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: OK. I would say, um, Audubon is more of a long-term and multilayered kind of organization than, uh -- the Olde Towne of Flushing Burial Ground Conservancy was a very, very small group of people who, who worked together and stayed together a long time. And, you know, we managed to accomplish getting the name change, getting it recognized by the state. And, uh, I, and also getting the, the, um, memorial rebuilt as to better suit the purpose. But Audubon's problems are worldwide; they're, we're run by a, you know, a national organization, and there's a state organization and I'm at a chapter level and I'm on the board of the chapter. They, and they do all kinds of various projects such as running educational programs in schools and as well, as well as to help the chapter members themselves. So, some of them, they just want to go on walks and that's it. So it's a different kind. I would say the Audubon is more of an ongoing, uh, kind of, kind of work.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1023.0,1111.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: Have you, uh, I know the site is, the, the burial ground is currently under construction, but have you had any like opportunity to like -- I mean, I'm sure you have, since you're a member of the Conservancy board -- but have you had any opportunities to see the new plans for the final, like, unveiling and what are your opinions of the final design?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1111.0,1130.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: We've been, we went to many meetings at Melinda Katz's office, when she was borough president for almost eight years. And we saw all kinds of different phases of design. I'm not sure exactly what is the final design. Perhaps Robbie has something from, from the design, the design committee that, that, uh, is more, more final, but we did manage to get a whole bunch of input into it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1130.0,1163.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: Do you have any like, personal ideas for what you would like to see, like in the final, um, presentation of the site and how you would like people to engage with it?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1163.0,1175.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: I would like them to be able to walk in and, and be confronted with enough educational stuff that they could, that they could figure out what the site was about without, without a human explaining it to them. And I think that there, that is what they're working on, having a history of it, uh, on, on -- uh, on pedestals that people can come up to and look at and immediately start understanding right away what the site is.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1175.0,1214.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: OK. I'm just going to like open the floor to my group mates to see if they have any like, final questions they'd like to ask you or anything else.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1214.0,1224.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: Anything else?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1224.0,1229.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nGabriella Lacza: I don't think so. That, that was really great. I loved hearing about how you first got involved. That was a really big surprise. That's very cool, uh, that school project.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1229.0,1241.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: I didn't know what I was getting into at the time. I just thought we were going to have an interesting school project. I didn't realize it would go on for, you know, 18 years.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1241.0,1253.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: That's a testament to how quickly people can get involved through these sort of groups, because all it took was one interview with Mandingo and you were like, I'm ready to do this! Like [unclear] get involved.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1253.0,1262.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: He's very, he's like a larger-than-life person. And he was very convincing.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1262.0,1269.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: Alright, well, I think we can wrap up the interview if that's all right with you, unless you have any like final thoughts, like a big speech you would like to give at the end, or --\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1269.0,1277.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: No, no. I feel like I've been sort of a minor player in all of this, but [unclear]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1277.0,1283.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: [unclear] We wanted to get everyone's input into the documentary since you were all basically involved. Like, no matter how small you may think your role was, in reality, like -- distribution isn't a small deal. Like it's huge. Like that's how you get the word out.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1283.0,1301.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: Well, thank you so much. And I'm so pleased. Oh, let me make a speech then, I'm so pleased that Queens Memory Project is, is, uh, is taking on our cause and, and, and making the, making all of this information available to everyone. And because we're, you know, we're not young, we're getting older and it's up to the next generation to, to look after this place and, uh, and look, and carry the torch for the whole Black Lives Matter cause, and...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1301.0,1333.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: Well, thank you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1333.0,1333.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNancy Tognan: And I hope that, that, that'll happen.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1333.0,1340.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924/transcript/30495/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMelissa Lino: Thank you!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/45822/file/118924#t=1340.0,1342.84"}]}]}]}