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Hello. It's May 11th, 2023, and today we are interviewing Sandra Peskin for the Queensborough Community College Retired Mathematics and Computer Science Faculty Oral History Project. Welcome Sandy. Thank you for agreeing to be interviewed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2.0,23.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: You're welcome. No problem. Nice to see you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=23.0,26.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah, it's good to see you. I guess we could just, we can get started with your, with your early life growing up, any of your early interests in mathematics before you went to college, if you have anything to say about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=26.0,42.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: I was good in math. Math was my thing. And not really very much in terms of my early education. I went through high school and college as a math, concentrating in math.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=42.0,57.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. So in Queens, you went to Queens College...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=57.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=58.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: ...and you majored in math there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=58.0,61.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: I actually was in math education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=61.0,63.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=63.0,64.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Education and math.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=64.0,66.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=66.0,66.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: On that...and then initially I taught in, math in high school at Newtown High School.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=66.0,75.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: At Queens College, do you remember anyone that you worked with back then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=75.0,82.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: No. The faculty? No. I -- that's all gone. I've lost all names.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=82.0,89.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=89.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: I'm not going back to my faculty from college days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=90.0,94.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: All right. I suspect that you were, do you remember at the time, back in the '60s at Queens College, that there were, you know, I remember that -- I've been told there were protests going on at the time. Do you remember any of that taking place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=94.0,110.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Of course, I was there during it. So I graduated in '67 and the protests really became, came about in '68. So it was while I was doing my graduate work, '68, '69, were the most major protests. Since I was, beginning of '67, I was doing student teaching. So I really was not on campus very much at that point. But I certainly remember this year of '68 and '69 and beginning of '70, where the transition, where everything changed from, as a result of protests, from what you could, how the dress codes were changed and the responses to the students that were protesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=110.0,157.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm. I think, open enrollment sort of occurred as a result, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=157.0,161.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Open enrollment came out as an ocurrence of that, a result in 1971 and '72. I believe it was actually implemented in '72, but decided in '71. 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But somewhere around that point, and a matter of fact, it's reflected in the hiring policies at Queensborough, because it changed the enrollment drastically...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=172.0,184.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=184.0,185.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: ...at that stage. It was very -- it was very competitive to get into Queens College and equally competitive to get into Queensborough Community College in the late '60s and the early '70s. When I, you had to have at least an 85, 86 average when I enrolled in Queens College, and that was in 1963. By the time 1967, '68 came around, you needed a 95 average. You had to be really scoring very highly in high school. And that's on a strict academic curriculum in high school, to get in. Therefore, Queensborough -- the community colleges, not only Queensborough, but all the community colleges in the system -- if the senior colleges were all requiring 90 to 95 averages by the end of the '60s, the community colleges were requiring the 85 to 90 averages. They had the students just below that. So, you could see the difference in the student body. The student bodies were very, very strong at the time, both at the, all the senior colleges and all the community colleges. You didn't go to college unless you had followed the academic curriculum in high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=185.0,276.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=276.0,276.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: It was really just, probably just the top 25 to 30 percent of most of the schools, the high schools in New York City. Those were the only students that were considering going to college at that time. So it was very, you know, an interesting time and how things changed very rapidly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=276.0,298.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=298.0,298.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Once they went to open enrollment and they therefore had to increase their enrollments, both at the senior schools and the community colleges. Enrollment went up quite a bit. And to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=298.0,318.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Why did you just choose Queens College? Did you have other colleges in mind at the time, or...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=318.0,324.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: When I went to Queens College, going to Queens? Oh, I applied to other schools, but reality is cost.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=324.0,331.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=331.0,332.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: It was easy. I could get there by bus. I lived in Bayside, and from Bayside, you take two buses, and I got to Queens, Queens College. It was, I had a Regents scholarship that I had received; New York State tuition was free.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=332.0,351.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=351.0,351.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: The fee was, student fee was $25 a semester. So, you could say my undergraduate experience cost me, what is that, $200?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=351.0,365.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Eight times $25, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=365.0,366.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: For my whole, there was no tuition. And because I had a Regents scholarship -- now, I couldn't get the full value because that was dependent on, you know, your parents' income basically. But it was restricted. I think I wound up getting, I was allowed, since I was, something like $750 because I was paying, not paying any tuition. They paid me to go to school basically. 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There's an exception. One went to Hunter, went into Manhattan to Hunter. But, for the most part, the rest of us all were at Queens College. There was one person, went out of town and came back after a year, but that was just a single friend. But everybody else commuted to college at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=455.0,482.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: All right. While you were going to college, did you know you wanted to go into teaching? 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It was inbredded in me probably from the time I was about in the third grade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=492.0,496.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Hmm. OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=496.0,498.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: I didn't know what I was going to teach. Originally I thought I would teach elementary school, in an elementary school, and I did. I taught in an elementary school for six months. But I also was licensed in, I was licensed in elementary education, K-6 license, and I very quickly got the license for the high school. I had the middle school license; it was a junior high school license at the time. There wasn't middle school at that time. And I was licensed on the high school credentials, and [it] didn't become a permanent license until you finished your master's degree; you had to get your master's within five years. As soon as you finish your bachelor's, you immediately started your master's degree, which is what I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=498.0,542.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm. So you went right back to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=542.0,543.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: And so, while I was working, I would go to graduate school at night or late afternoon, depending on my teaching schedule. Primarily, since I usually taught, when I was teaching at the high school, I was teaching 'til 5:30. 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I had my daughter, Jennifer, in October of '71. So, of course, I had to go out on childcare leave. 'Cause, as you know, in the '70s, at that time, you weren't allowed to teach when you were pregnant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=573.0,591.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Hmm. Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=591.0,591.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: And so, if anybody knew you were pregnant, you didn't let your chairperson know. You didn't let your -- no one knew. You sort of tried to hide it, and you don't announce it 'til June that you're pregnant. 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For the most part, nobody went back to work. When you were teaching in the high school system, in the public school system, women did not return to teaching.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=607.0,624.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=624.0,624.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Four, you got a four-year, you got -- New York City provided you with four years' leave time. You didn't get money; you didn't get medical coverage; you didn't get, it just stopped. But you knew that you had four years and then you could come back and claim your position...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=624.0,639.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: You could come back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=639.0,639.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: ...a job. You could get a job again. For the most part they, you would claim it in the school that you were in previously, but if there wasn't one available, you could get one in another school in New York City. And there was a whole mechanism for appealing and locating to a new school if that original one wasn't conducive to your teaching. So I went out on maternity leave in 1971, and by 197-, and by that point I was already living in New Hyde Park. I'd been living in the same house. We bought that house in, our house in '71, and we're still here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=639.0,681.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=681.0,682.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: So, from that point, when my daughter, when Jennifer was two, I had heard that there were positions, adjunct positions at Queensborough. And someone had told me, \"Oh, they're looking, they're always looking for math people\" who could teach during the day and the availability of, you know, to cover a morning or afternoon class as an adjunct. And I had applied and was called to take over someone's course, someone who, an adjunct who was leaving mid-semester. So I stepped in, I think it was the end of October, beginning of November, and took over someone else's course. It was two courses initially. And then once I was there, I just came and continued to take one course a semester to teach, in the '70s. I was on maternity leave, so I would be able to drop my daughter off at either preschool or nursery school at the time. Preschool or at a parent, my parents' house, my grand..., my in-laws' house or some other relative would babysit for the two hours that I needed, three hours where I'd be away. And, so that's what I did, and took additional leave time when my son was born. 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You could get, you could get up to four years per child and whatever your youngest child is at the fourth year, the end of the fourth year, you're expected to go back to work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=767.0,778.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=778.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: So, it was a total of, I think I had seven...well, what was I on leave from? '71 and I went back in 1980, or I was supposed to go back to 1980. I was going to go back. And at that point I had, I was an adjunct and I had said I needed to leave. I told them I wouldn't be able to adjunct anymore. I was going to go back to work full-time teaching in the high school. And then I found out I could apply without having my doctorate. I could still apply for a position at Queensborough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=780.0,813.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=813.0,815.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: I had not been aware of that until 1979, probably '80, around there. So I had a, a position opened up and I had applied, and I was offered the position to teach full-time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=815.0,831.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=831.0,831.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: By that point I was, had adjuncted for six years. I was adjuncting during the day. I was teaching one or two classes. Full-time faculty knew me because I was around. I would stay and do some work in the office sitting at someone else's desk. Of course, there were no desks, office space for adjuncts at that time. So you could, if a faculty member was on leave or on sabbatical, you could use their desk while they were there, weren't there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=831.0,862.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=862.0,862.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Just sit and get some stuff done. And it was a smaller department. Remember, at that point, department probably had 30, 32, 30, between 30 and 35 full-time faculty. And adjuncts, during the day, there were only about eight of us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=862.0,883.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, that few back then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=883.0,885.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Adjuncts during the day in the '70s, early '70s, there were not many. 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Remember, there weren't as many sections of classes. The classes were larger, frequently up at the 40 number in a section. You didn't have as many remedial classes. There were some, but it was not a huge number. And faculty were required to teach 30 hours. 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You were at the Adelphi program. Do you remember who you worked with there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=1077.0,1084.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Bradley, is it? I'm trying to think the names, but the names don't...I was working with, I was just, I was taking courses, so I really was with just about everybody and...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=1084.0,1095.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=1095.0,1095.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: ...and taking the courses. 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I got the CCE; I was an instructor. I was an instructor for five years, and after five years I got the CCE. 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You still had to be doing a lot of things in terms of your activity within the department and grant work and research and other things. 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And I think we did that in the, around 1980, 1990 when it moved to credit-bearing. 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A whole program that I had an NSF grant, those; so all the levels of remediation. I taught 440 [Pre-Calculus Mathematics], I taught 321 [Mathematics in Contemporary Society]...I'm trying to remember all the numbers. The 240, 250 [Mathematics for Business And Economics I,II] -- I taught whatever had to be taught. 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It was very competitive, extremely competitive, to be able to get the section, to teach the calculus course. Everybody wanted, in the department, wanted to teach that. Or, if not everybody, half the department wanted to teach Calc 441, 442, 443 [Analytic Geometry and Calculus I, II, III]. 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I was more than willing and enjoyed teaching all the other level courses. So I basically was between 120, 114 [Technical Mathematics A]...I did that, 114 I taught a lot, 301 [Foundations of Mathematics]. What else? 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I taught 336, 440. I always had a 440 every semester to teach. And of course all the special courses. You know, I did the IS-221 class [Cognitive and Behavioral Learning in Secondary Mathematics], which I basically created [in 2003]. It was part of the TIME QCC [Mathematics Education] program for the curriculum. And that was a, we, I co-taught it with Anita Ferdenzi. It was a joint course given by the Social Science Department under the education area. It was an ed-psych course with math support. It was based on and built around the model that had been created at Queens College as part of their TIME 2000 program. And it was their initial course. And it became the initial course for our TIME QCC program. It was a team, designed as a team-taught class with a unique curriculum and hands-on ed-psych with math applications.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=1404.0,1478.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: How the psychology of teaching mathematics basically was embedded in that. And certainly part of the grant from TIME QCC. And we continued, it's still on the books. I don't, it's probably not being taught anymore because it was only Anita and I that were teaching it. And we taught it basically every fall. If we had enough students, we would offer it again, but usually we only offered it once a year in that program. I also taught -- well, it wasn't teaching -- I supervised, I ran the [MA-]901 [Internship in Mathematics Teaching] course. That was the co-op ed course that we developed. That was probably developed, I'm trying to think, 1997, '96, somewhere around there [in 1993] was a thrust to develop co-op ed, a lot of co-op. And that was a course we developed for future teachers. And so I was the one who wrote the curriculum. There was some support with me writing the curriculum. Mona [Fabricant] worked with me on that a little bit, but I was the one that basically put it together. And I was the one who supervised. I gave the course, I supervised the students under their internship experiences, which is what 901 was. 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There was never enough to make the numbers a class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=1566.0,1578.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Not even a half credit, a half, something like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=1578.0,1581.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Eventually they were going to do that, eventually. I think maybe there was one semester eventually where I got a half a credit or something for it. But, by and large, for at least 10 of the years, for every semester, I always had at least one or two or three students that I was supervising, which meant, you know, I would meet with them on a biweekly basis. I would make sure to go and visit them once or twice at whatever school they were at to observe them. And they would be at, I had them at various high schools where I had connections to place students from TIME QCC. And it was basically the TIME QCC students who participated in that program. And then, of course, the course was open to other people who were not TIME QCC if they wanted that type of an experience. 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But that was one of the other programs that we developed and did from co-op ed. And I don't even know if I had a grant when I developed that course. 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We had some phenomenal students in that program because initially we could attract some of the strongest students that we had who were interested in education, in math and teaching math, because originally it was a full... a part of the TIME QCC, we offered them full scholarship. So they did not have to pay tuition for the first, for those two years. And then many of our students, the initial first three, two or three classes that graduated from the program at the time, there was Teacher Academy and I was the director of Teacher Academy for, that was a CUNY-wide program. And I was a Queensborough director, became the director of that. It was an offshoot of TIME QCC; students transferred from our school and went into Queens College, their TIME 2000 program, or to York, to their Teacher Academy program. 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That's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=1771.0,1773.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: A bulk of our students went to NYU, and NYU offered them partial scholarship -- 50 percent, I think they got, scholarship and then they could get financial aid above and beyond that. And so we had a group from our very, our first class where we had seven students, I think, or eight students graduated, a couple went to Queens College, and five or six of them went on to NYU. And that was very successful. But that program also, the funding for it and the scholarships, they were all coming out of NSFA [National School Foundation Association] grants that were, apparently, all the other schools had, you know, senior colleges. 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And, of course, the Teacher Academy program initially was a tuition-free scholarship. It was a scholarship program offered for future math teachers. You have to remember that in the early, in the late 1990s and the early 2000s, there was a big math shortage, math teacher shortage in high schools. Big need. There was a large need for math teachers on the middle school and high school level. And all, many programs were developed. So part of what we did was developing the Real World Math Program for teachers, a summer immersion program that we did. Mona and I had put that together on a mini-grant and ran it. That was to work with people who were teaching mathematics in middle schools and high schools throughout the city that had, weren't fully math-licensed, let me put it that way. They needed to go get, take courses to meet the criteria for permanent certification in New York State as a math teacher. They had lowered the limit; instead of requiring the 36 math credits, I think they were giving them interim math licenses. They had some title for a transition license as a math instructor with just 20 math course credits or 24 credits. And so they needed additional courses on the undergraduate level to, that would count towards their math requirements. And so that's part of what we, another program that we were doing in teaching to meet those needs. And so, there were other programs for undergraduates. There were programs, and that's where our TIME QCC students got those scholarships. And those scholarships were available out of programs run by the Department of Education, the federal Department of Education, as well as, NSF was running, offering potential grants that you could get to develop programs like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=1831.0,1985.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Hmm. That's good. We played a significant role in the educating of teachers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=1985.0,1993.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: We did. We really did. We -- I feel really good about that. I knew, and I remember Mona and I both saying we wanted to be able to replace ourselves. 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Students were going into other areas of study and not necessarily going into math teaching. And so it was a vehicle to increase the number of students in math teaching. And yes, we have...I think there are three people in the department who went through our program. Beata [Warchol] had gone through with the program with us. And, give me my two other names. 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So Nataliya went through the program also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2053.0,2066.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Did Venessa as well? Venessa Singhroy or...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2066.0,2068.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Venessa did also. Yes, four. And Vanessa. So we have four who are teaching within our system. And a number of others did adjunct work. 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It's good to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2101.0,2102.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: It got to be a really, it was a very successful, we considered it a very successful program. Did everyone succeed? Not every single person. But those first few classes, the students were extremely strong. There was strength and ability, and they all rose to the challenge. They were really good. And then, of course, positions dried up by, you know, 2008, 2009. There weren't so many positions anymore for math teachers, became more competitive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2102.0,2144.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Do you remember, I guess, back in the mid '80s, late '80s, when we started teaching computer science courses for the, in our department?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2144.0,2154.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Yes, we did. I wasn't involved then in developing the computer science courses. I was involved in developing the programs for the computer-aided instruction; portions of programs or courses where we added a computer component to MA-321. And we added computer components by others. I wasn't involved in it, but for 441, 442 and 443. There was another committee, teachers who really knew that curriculum to develop the appropriate support materials for that. And we developed computer-type programs from many of our courses. There was a point in the '90s, and I know I had a VATEA [Vocational and Technical Education Act] grant, and I don't know if you worked with me on that particular one, but...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2154.0,2223.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: I was on the Perkins [III] grant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2223.0,2225.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: The Perkins, the VATEA/Perkins grants. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2225.0,2229.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: And yeah, in the early 2000s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2229.0,2231.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Yeah. So that came in a little bit later. But in [the] 1990s -- '91, '92 -- when we developed the Math Center, and we initially developed use of CAI (Computer-Assisted Instructional) materials and developed the materials to use, and set up, a computer lab within the Math Center. Matter of fact, the computer lab up there, and we have the wall now, it was really an open and portioned part of the Computer Center. And we had MA-010 students using the materials and we cycled in. So we had developed a lot of courses which had that type of support. 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I think that's one of the grant, I was the project, whatever, principal investigator [PI] of the year we were doing the Math Center and developed the use of the Math Center first with the computer lab. Then we separated out the computer lab. We used just the space. We had a point where we were providing support, tutorial support, in an extra hour for every MA-010 class. Had an extra hour scheduled in the Math Center each week. So they had a sixth hour, besides the five, it was five plus one with attendance. I'm the one who did those schedules. I would create the schedule and helped the Math Center develop the program, figured out how to do the attendance. And we hired tutors that were working with each of the classes and developed the materials that they'd work on for that hour based on where they were in the curriculum. So yes, that happened in the early '90s. 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And it was the initial, first lab. And from that, we developed and built the lab contained in the Math Center next. Then we got the grant from the Borough of Queens. The president of the Borough of Queens gave Mona and I a grant. I want to say it was about $100,000 or something like that, to develop a teaching computer lab. 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It was meant as a teaching lab and came out of,  teaching both future teachers, but also teaching, making it the ideal setting for a class that would be comfortable. And that's why it's set up a little differently than a lot of the other computer labs. So that one developed then. The ones on the fourth, the fourth floor, third floor? Where are the others? 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That's the one in the hall; that's the original one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2472.0,2475.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah, the original one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2475.0,2477.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Diagonally opposite it, isn't there a computer lab?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2477.0,2479.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, yeah. It's [S-] 332 [ed. note: 322].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2479.0,2481.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: [S-] 332. It's the one that I teach. And so we developed that one. We decided that the department needed another computer lab for all the courses we were offering. Remember in the, there was a point where the enrollment had gone up to 17,000 students. We had a lot of sections running and everything. It was a time where our faculty, our adjunct faculty, was up at the 115 number in the department. And we had something like 40 instructors. And that was where we were finally were able to convince them it was time to give us more lines and get more full-time faculty. 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I assume COVID had had, has had a big impact.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2614.0,2618.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: It's had an impact. 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Yeah. 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We did that with [MA-] 119 [College Algebra] and 321 and 301 and 114, you know, changing remediation into credit courses with extra support hours.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2678.0,2689.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: That was the focus of CUNY at large, chose to move away from remediation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2689.0,2696.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2696.0,2696.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: It's a different focus, a different look at the needs and then saying, \"Well, you graduated high school and you passed the exams, you must have passed algebra.\" It's a requirement to graduate a high school in New York State.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2696.0,2709.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2709.0,2710.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: So it -- there's all sorts of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2710.0,2716.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: How do you feel that the remediation changed over the time you were there, from what it was to what it became, the type of students that we had?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2716.0,2728.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: I think what happened was students...when I first arrived, we had, our students had a stronger background in mathematics and basically were -- there wasn't as great a need for remediation. So you had fewer students in that need. I think somewhere in the 19-, mid 1980s, 1990s, the students that were coming out of high school and coming to Queensborough weren't as strong as they, in mathematics, as they had been. By 2000 and the 2000s, the aught years, the difference -- what happened was when you followed the New York State Regents Exam and the scoring of the exam, while the exams were still elementary algebra Regents exams, you were no longer required to get a 65 to pass the exam. And it wasn't 65 percent of the work, let's put it that way. It was on a scale. 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It's just the way things were being taught and what was becoming accepted. And once you move in at that level, and even though they would take another course in mathematics in high school after their algebra course -- they would either go into geometry or an intermediate algebra course depending on which school they were at, which high school. 'Cause they had to have at least two years of mathematics. Actually, they were supposed to have three years of mathematics. But there were statistics courses, there were other types of courses, liberal arts courses, they -- equivalent to our liberal arts courses. Not the same level, but topic-wise, that they had to take. The students had weaker backgrounds in math. By the time they came to us, if they were away from math for a year or two before they came to Queensborough, many of them had forgotten a lot of their math. But hopefully they're a little stronger now and hopefully doing it as a support system with another course, pegged with the other course. It's a shared experience and it's on a need, it's like a need to know. 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It's not that the material is that difficult, you just have to have a focus to be able to approach it. Anyone can learn math and teach, certainly elementary algebra, intermediate algebra can be taught to any student. You just have to find the mechanism that works for that particular student.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=2915.0,2948.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Well, we moved away from placement exams. You know, the placement exams were very big over the years. 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It's, well, students are getting through it. It still has limitations, you know, students -- it's a different place to get stuck in. You know, instead of getting stuck in a MA-010, they can get stuck in a co-requisite course. Not completing it. 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I've always felt that students getting extra time never hurts. And if you give students more time to learn the material, it will certainly help them. And the corequisite model is, you know, introduced that. I find sometimes students in 321 with corequisite support can do better than a regular 321, which is the regular three hours. So...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3076.0,3100.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Right. Yeah. Then that's where you'll see a noticeable difference. 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It's trying new, develop more courses. We're trying to create a different statistics course for students to take. There's some question now about whether students really, all the students taking 119, whether or not they really need to and maybe they should be in more liberal arts-type courses, something like a 321 or a 301 instead. 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I taught in the program. I worked on developing curriculum for it and then oversaw it basically for Queensborough's version of it for the last eight years or so, I guess, 'til Verizon terminated the program, phased it out. I mean, not to use \"terminate,\" but they phased it out in about 2012. I think the last class graduated out of it in 2013, at that point, or '14. That was a pleasure. That was another thing I just did and then truly enjoyed and teaching. It was -- a lot of people did not want to teach 'cause it's a four-hour class. You teach four hours in a row. These are students who are working full-time for Verizon and they get a day off a week, one day a week where they go to school instead of going to work, and they take a math class and then they take a technology class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3216.0,3284.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: If they were with me in math in the morning, they were in technology class with one of the people from the [Engineering] Technology Department teaching them. In other semesters they'd be doing an English class with the technology. There was always a tech class in their schedule, but there were two math courses [MA-114 and MA-127: Technical Math II for Verizon Students] that they took. And so I usually had my same students, fall of one year and a year later in the fall again. And I truly enjoyed working with them. It's a different population. You're dealing with adults, people ranging in age from their 20s to their 50s, some having had college experience before, either in a community college or senior -- you know, having bachelor's degrees. They were really at varying levels and background. And you develop a different style of teaching when you're working with them. Mainly because you, it's on a four-hour class, a four-hour class. You teach very differently than class that meets just 50 minutes. So in terms of allowing some break, just a longer break midway, you combine a couple of those breaks so that they can at least go out and get something to eat and come back again. 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So there's hands-on, there's opportunities and different -- you create different types of scenarios for handling materials. Having them work on various projects, work in teams, and work, doing work individually and providing ways of turning in materials. Now we all, they had computers. They had all the technology they needed. Verizon provided everything for them, provided me with a computer as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3375.0,3414.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3414.0,3414.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: A laptop, you know, prior to other people getting laptops. It was nice to have that laptop from Verizon, to be able to use it to develop. 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And I was also doing the College Now program and I started, I became the math coordinator and would be working very closely on finding the instructors and going to -- then, of course, I would go to the high schools and observe all the instructors that were teaching in that, in mathematics. 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Right. And that's really what it was. And so, it was all credit-bearing. We had, we were running MA-301, 321. We had a couple of schools were still giving the equivalent to like an SAT prep. Initially it was called SAT prep, but then we couldn't do SAT prep anymore. So it was a different, supportive type of course we offered at that point. And that was an after-school. And for many of the students, this extra course was not really part of their high school credit load. So they would take, the class would be offered either -- and for the faculty, it couldn't be part of their teaching load in the high school. It was an additional course that they taught and they were paid Queensborough adjunct salary. They were adjuncts of Queensborough teaching the course in a different setting; not on Queensborough's campus, rather in a high school. So most of those classes were taught either at 8 o'clock in the morning or 7. Some high schools, it was a 7:30 start. And other schools, it was the 3 o'clock class. So I know that at Van Buren [High School in Queens Village] I went over to observe someone at 3 o'clock in the afternoon. 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It depends on teachers' schedules and the students' schedules in terms of being able to fill a class. But the students would get their three credits or their four credits. So if it was a class with a lab component, then -- a 336, equivalent of that -- then the students would have a, there would be a computer lab in the school where they would use that and they'd have their lab experience as well as their class experience, classroom experience. 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Students in the program...there were College Now courses were offered by both, Queensborough, we offered them, Queens College offered a College Now program too -- different courses, different level. And most of the program existed on -- most of the college, senior college campuses had a program in College Now and many other community colleges also offered it. I'm pretty sure LaGuardia also had a program for that as well. So we tried not to overlap with Queens College math; we were in different high schools so we weren't going after the exact same students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3616.0,3670.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm. OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3670.0,3673.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: It had to be, you know, so we were at Bayside. We had something at Francis Lewis...Bayside [High School], Francis Lewis and Hillcrest [High School in Jamaica] were my primary schools and then there was a small school on Parsons Boulevard that had a class that I was going to as well. 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I didn't hide this phone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3718.0,3721.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3721.0,3722.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: House phone. And I can't turn it off. It doesn't go off. My husband's not picking up downstairs. So hopefully someone will answer that. OK. Stopped ringing. Apologize for that. As deputy chair, I was doing a lot of things [laughs] also. I was scheduling the entire department, the full-time faculty and the adjunct faculty. That's why I know exactly how many teachers were there every year from 2007, 8, right through 2014. Scheduling took a lot of time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3722.0,3763.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh yes. I remember doing that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3763.0,3765.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: But I was also doing advisement. I was also advising the students who came into the department office for help and needing help and guidance. I was adjuncting. I was mentoring, at the same time, the adjunct faculty because the first three years I was, during the first three-year period, I was scheduling all the adjuncts as well and I was overseeing the adjuncts as well as the full-time faculty. And then at that point, after two or three, two years or three years, it was just overwhelming 'cause the department was just so huge at that point. 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But I worked on everything from curriculum to dealing with people who came in to complain. If Mona wasn't there, I was there. 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Four or five hours? Maybe it was six; three hours one semester and three hours.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3904.0,3912.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: I think it was three and three, I thought.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3912.0,3913.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Three and three. Three and three. It was three and three. And so, which wasn't sufficient for the job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3913.0,3921.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3921.0,3921.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Not at all because you just work. But that's my style. I still do work 'til midnight and, a lot of things you can't get done during the school hours when you're teaching full load.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3921.0,3937.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3937.0,3938.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: You know, you get your release time but you still have to teach your other classes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3938.0,3941.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3941.0,3942.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: But I would get release time from working with College Now. I was able to get some release time with that and so that augmented the release time I had from the department as deputy chair, which helped. So, but it was what I wanted to do, what I enjoyed doing and working and did grant work and all the other stuff. Everything was layered in. 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But the prior two years, three years, as we were hiring more and more adjuncts...not -- I keep on saying adjuncts; we were hiring more and more people in the Lecturer line or in the Instructor line. There were new faculty. [Ed. note: 22 faculty were hired to the department between 2014 and 2016.] So I was mentoring and felt it was really important to work with a lot of those people and help them develop both as teachers and help them develop strategies and techniques and share with them my strategies and techniques...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=3973.0,4024.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4024.0,4024.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: ...for developing curriculum, for working on committees, for how do you put a curriculum together? How do you develop courses? What do you need to support? What's the background you need to get a program up and running and through and pass? You know, it has to go through so many different levels. You have to get approvals from a lot of, and buy-ins, by a lot of people. You have to be able to speak with people in other departments and interact with them because a lot of times our courses affect other courses and other departments. And, of course, you have to have the administration's support and the Office of Academic Affairs involved in anything you do that changes, causes changes to curriculum or introduces new curriculum. And so it was a pleasure to be able to work with the instructors and lecturers. I worked with assistant professors too that were newly hired, but not as closely because they needed a different level...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4024.0,4090.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4090.0,4090.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: ...of support and guidance because there was a different level of expectation for what they had to produce and what they had to do. But I still worked with all of them in committee-type work. And you know, what they had to develop for committees and if they wanted to share. So, it depended on if they were from the group that I worked with when I was in a room, an office at the end where there were 10 people in the office and we were in this big, one big room [ed. note: rooms S-227, 231, 235]. And so you were able to work with a lot of people then, and it was just conducive. You're in the same space at the same time. And you talk, share.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4090.0,4135.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. Let's see, I think I had mentioned it: do you remember when the department took on the title of \"Mathematics and Computer Science\"? 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We felt it was important because we were teaching -- it's when we adopted, formally adopted the computer science courses that were in sync and coordinated with Queens College's....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4159.0,4180.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4180.0,4182.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: ...first three courses or tried to coordinate. They didn't coordinate precisely, but the computer science courses [CS-101: Introduction to Computing, CS-201: Computers and Programming, CS-202: Introduction to Discrete Structures, CS-203: Data Structures] were very close. What didn't coordinate closely, precisely, was the math, the calculus courses, they were still a little bit off. Not so much for Queens College, but when we tried to link them with City College, there was a difference in our calculus sequence. But the computer science, it was important at that point. Many of us at that time felt it was really important to call ourselves more than the Mathematics Department. We were going to be the Mathematics and Computer Science Department. Part of it was, we wanted it to be differentiated, differentiate ourselves, our computer science courses, from those, from the computer science or computer courses or technology that were being taught in the Technology Departments, in the Business Department. Basically, it was those two departments that had started doing, teaching computer courses. 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And the Technology Department, their calculus base was just what we considered our 114 [Technical Mathematics] sequence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4262.0,4277.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4277.0,4278.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: And that was not, we all knew that was not a true, the same level as 441, 442. 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And it basically -- we used as the model Queens College, because Queens College was the Mathematics and Computer Science Department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4286.0,4308.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: So the CS courses we created were sort of comparable to what Queens had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4308.0,4313.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Queens. Oh, absolutely. They were very much in sync with Queens College. We had a committee from Queensborough that worked very, very closely with people from the Computer Science Department -- you know, the Math, Computer Science Department -- at Queens College to make sure our curriculum was very much in sync with theirs...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4313.0,4336.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4336.0,4337.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: ...so that our students could transfer without any problem. Our courses would be accepted there. We kept the same prereqs as they had. And the curriculum at the time, at least, I don't know, it may have changed, you know, a lot of time has gone by. 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And there were people, trying to remember who was...I know Joe Bertorelli was working on that with Queens College directly. I'm trying to remember who else at the time was working.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4363.0,4381.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Maybe Whitney [Harris] was, perhaps?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4381.0,4382.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Whitney was working with them. And, Frank Scalzo, I don't think he, I don't know. He may have been. Frank Scalzo was involved in a lot of our computer science courses, but not the computer science. He was involved in developing the labs initially, and the initial lab and the use of computers. But I don't know if he was on that committee at that time. I don't know if Jay [Appleman], I don't think Jay was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4382.0,4411.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: I don't think so. I asked him about it. I don't think he was involved with the computer science courses, and I talked to Pat Allaire and she wasn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4411.0,4422.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: No, she wasn't. She came on afterwards. It was already done. She came in in 1993 as full-time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4422.0,4433.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. I remember Whitney and...Whitney, Joe were involved. I think I was partly hired [in 1998] to do computer science.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4433.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4440.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: I think they were looking for people who could do both, a little math, a little computer science.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4440.0,4446.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Oh, that was very important in terms of when we were searching for new faculty, that they'd be able to do the computer science. 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We didn't expect it to be just two and then go down to one-one and sometimes not quite get to the third course. We didn't -- in terms of what we originally envisioned. But the strength, what frequently happened was our students would transfer out before they finished the sequence of courses. They would be ready to graduate or...it was a tough sequence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4472.0,4507.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. The math requirements sometimes didn't enable them to take all the CS courses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4507.0,4513.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Yeah. Mm-hmm, in terms of the prereqs that were there. 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We always were sure to check the receiving senior colleges where they would go, to try to mesh with them as best we could to make the paths for our students easier and smoother. So, and it's always easier and smoother if you're teaching, if your course outline and the subjects you teach, the topics are similar or the same....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4532.0,4560.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4560.0,4560.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: ...as the ones being taught at the receiving school. Because we always knew our students would need to go someplace else after us. It was, we were not the terminal school in our academic curriculum, you know, in terms of the way the Math Department looked at it. Our students had to go someplace else and we had to make sure when they went there they'd be OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4560.0,4584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4584.0,4584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: And they'd have a good shot at success at getting a bachelor's degree, that the associate's degree was the initial stepping stone. And so, we know that, of course, obviously we had students who were using, you know, would not necessarily go on to a senior college, for whom an associate's degree was a great degree. It was appropriate for the area of study and what they wanted to do. And so, but we had, our curriculums for those classes were very different. So you had your 321 and the business student, you're not planning to have that student transfer into an accounting degree program at Queens College. You knew that your accounting students who were going, business majors from Queensborough just as business majors who were in management programs at Queensborough, some in management would transfer to Queens College or want to transfer to Baruch. But some in management at Queensborough saw that as their terminal position, a terminal degree. And they were going out into the business world with an associate's in management. And that's just fine. 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It doesn't matter where, or NYU, it doesn't matter where they transferred, but you wanted to make sure you were giving them that same background. And that's why we seem to have so many tracking systems. But we had to, because we had a very diverse student body with different -- the focus of the students was very different from one student to the next. 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It's not the faculty, it's meeting the needs of what your students have, and trying to develop the curriculum that suits that need and teach it in a way so your students can really learn it and have a successful experience wherever they go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4709.0,4729.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4729.0,4730.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: It's not only success at Queensborough, but success for elsewhere in their lives. 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To meet their needs, or it might be a certificate program...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4771.0,4775.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4775.0,4776.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: ...which they don't need a formal degree, but they need 30 credits. That puts together a composite of courses that also needs. Queensborough never looked at, always looked at itself as the step to a bachelor's degree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4776.0,4794.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4794.0,4794.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: We really, for the most part, people didn't look at -- faculty and many students, initially -- people didn't look at us as a vocational-type prep school. They're now looking at community colleges. Again, everything goes full circle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4794.0,4815.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4815.0,4816.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Because now, in literature and the articles, they're saying, \"No, we need to provide what they need to be the tradesmen.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4816.0,4825.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4825.0,4826.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: The vocational positions. We have such a dire need in this country of people who can really do things physically. They don't need the background learning. They may not need all those English courses or the history course. But they need the hands-on courses and learning how to do anything, whatever it might be. But initially, in the '60s and early '70s, we saw ourselves very much as being an academic institution and as a stepping stone for people to transfer into a senior college. Initially, maybe an associate's would've, degree was enough. For example, in some positions, like a nursing degree, the associate's degree was, from Queensborough was just fine from, and was very well respected everywhere. And our nurses, our students -- they weren't nurses yet, they were students -- scored higher than people coming out of some of the other nursing schools that were baccalaureate granting schools. We have a very, we always had, and I assume we still have, a very strong nursing program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4826.0,4911.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4911.0,4911.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: But times have changed a little bit. Nurses now need a bachelor's degree...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4911.0,4916.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=4916.0,4917.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: ...for RNs to get the real, the better jobs, it's harder. So they need to, so many of our nursing students now go from us over to the bachelor's degree program, where it's -- more now than they did initially. And they may not do it immediately, but they do it six months later after they graduate and they have their RN and then they go back to school. I don't know the statistics, but I know it from just generic information that's out there in terms of how it's worked. 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What I may have developed, other people should be developing it all over again in the course and curriculum. They might rediscover what I did in the 1960s, not knowing I did it in the '60s, but they may, or '70s, they may think it's brand new now, but may have been around before. 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Well, I guess why ultimately did you decide to retire when you did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5016.0,5023.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: I didn't -- why did I?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5023.0,5025.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. What made you say this is the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5025.0,5029.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Well, let's see. I decided that I should retire so that I have some time in my 70s to enjoy. 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So everyone has to just stay healthy and well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5184.0,5190.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah, that's the important thing, your health.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5190.0,5192.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: And you want to be able to retire when you're able to still do things...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5192.0,5196.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5196.0,5197.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: ...and to enjoy some of what you have. 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You helped me, give me a lot of interesting information and a lot of background stories of what the department was doing over the years, and that's very helpful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5215.0,5226.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Yeah. And we moved, we changed in generations. You had your first group, your '60s and '70s employed, the full-time faculty from the '60s and early '70s who stayed. And then by the late 1980s, they were starting to retire and they moved out. Not everybody, but a good number of them. And then the next pool came in, in the 19-, just about 1980. We hired a lot of people between 1979 and 1984, '85. 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And so there was a long period where only maybe one or two positions were filled in the early 1990s. Three lines -- one, two, three or four lines where someone had retired and we were able to hire. 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It's changed quite a bit from '98 for me until now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5308.0,5313.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Mm-hmm. Yeah. It changed. It's a different department, and they have to put their own imprint on it, the faculty that are there, yeah. To make it what it is and what's right for them. 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Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5345.0,5345.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: ...it's a pleasure talking with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5345.0,5349.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: All right. And I'll get back to you. This is going to be, a transcript will be generated from this, and it'll be sent to you for you to go over and make sure things are spelled and identified correctly and all that. 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That's fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5367.0,5369.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5369.0,5369.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: You take care.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5369.0,5372.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5372.0,5372.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288/transcript/67726/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sandra Peskin: Right. Bye-bye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/129405/file/242288#t=5372.0,5377.216"}]}]}]}