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Yes.\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=8.0,10.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : Cool. How did you come to be in Jackson Heights?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=10.0,14.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : I and my family, my husband and my two kids, we are relatively new to Queens, to give you the short version of a long story. Way back when, I went to Columbia, I went to HUC for rabbinical school in New York, my husband and I lived in Brooklyn. And then my first more than a decade in the pulpit took me outside of New York to Texas and then Connecticut. And we circled back four years ago and chose Queens, partly because in the meantime my parents had retired and moved to Forest Hills from my hometown in Pennsylvania. So they are here, and my sister's in Brooklyn, and we had been trying to find our way back. During the first couple of years, as I was founding Malkhut and finding the critical mass both of Jews who are really underserved and who might be interested in the kind of spiritual community I want to build, really found that critical mass. And I was looking towards western Queens, but found the critical mass mostly in Jackson Heights and then also in Astoria. And then as it really looked like the community was going to happen, we chose to move to Jackson Heights as a family. We love it here. And I can tell you more about why, but that's the basic story.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=14.0,112.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : That in fact was my next question [laughter], so I would love to hear more about why.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=112.0,116.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : Yeah. Previous to coming back to New York, we had lived in a small town in Connecticut. I loved small town life actually, where you know everybody and everybody knows you and people are kind of all up in your business, but I kinda liked it. But I really wanted to be back in New York City where there are just honestly more Jews, more young Jews, and more progressive Jews. I knew that it was going to be a good place, but Jackson Heights has this feel of a small town. People know each other. I love that intimacy of the community here. The social capital of Jackson Heights is really strong. We're by an express stop into Manhattan, which is great, but honestly I hardly ever go there anymore. I love it here. I love that it's not a fully gentrified neighborhood. I mean obviously it has been gentrified and I don't want it to be further gentrified and then on the other hand, I'm a gentrifier, so there's that tension that I live in. But I love the multi-racial-- hopefully this will continue to post-COVID. Independent, small businesses. It feels like old New York in some ways. And the density of people here. I'm sure there are more reasons. The food obviously is great. [laughter] And there's a wonderful community of activists here, various communities of activism here, that I connected to before we ended up permanently in Jackson Heights. So working as an ally with the Hate Free Zones project through DRUM, and having done work as an ally with Make The Road-- it's really nice to be where the action is.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=116.0,271.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : How do you find and choose these specific places of activism?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=271.0,281.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : Of activism. Um,--\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=281.0,282.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : Like Hate Free Zones, Make The Road.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=282.0,285.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : Mhm. So really through my work with Jews For Racial and Economic Justice, JFREJ. Back in the nineties when I was first living in New York as a student, and then in particular as a rabbinical student, I got involved with JFREJ back then and experienced my first kind of awakening and anti-racism trainings. I'm not even sure if they called it anti-racism back in the nineties. [laughter] Really found my Jewish political social justice home there and kind of found myself as a leftist. I didn't really grow up as a leftist. I grew up as a pretty solidly liberal, social justice oriented Reform Jew. My father is a Reform rabbi and he has always been very socially engaged. But JFREJ really spoke to me [laughs] about the radical kinds of change and transformation that I really do believe in. I marched back then in the wake of the police shooting of Amadou Diallo. So then coming back to the city and coming back here as a rabbi wanting to build a progressive Jewish community that's socially engaged, that was the first place I went. Since the nineties, I mean, coming back and-- now JFREJ has grown and deepened its work and is in coalition with amazing partners and really has this understanding of itself as-- and then also has this a Jews of Color caucus and the Mizrahi Jewish caucus and the sense of centering Jews of Color as leaders in the work. And then for the white folks in JREJ, learning about being an ally. JFREJ then is in coalition with wonderful community based organizations like Make The Road and DRUM. That's how I kind of started to learn about that work. And I'm still learning. I'm definitely not [laughter] at the center of it or an expert in any way, shape, or form. And in relationship with folks there and it's through JFREJ mostly and then also T'ruah. I don't know if-- I can talk about that as well--\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=285.0,451.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : #NAME?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=451.0,451.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : #NAME?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=451.0,619.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : For you, what's the relationship between-- obviously this style of activism is like very, very tied into Judaism and spirituality, and I'm curious about the relationship between that and specifically being a spiritual leader with Malkhut.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=619.0,635.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : Hmm. I can tell this story in so many ways [laughter] You know, it's in my DNA as a Jew, as I described growing up, right, it's in my DNA that being a Jew in the world is about making Jewish values live in transforming the world and making it a more just and equitable place, safe place for everyone. That's just always been at my core. And has been always part of my calling into the rabbinate. When I really started to see models of how progressive social justice can be embodied in a rabbi-- one of the strongest models and examples for me has been Rabbi Ellen Lippman, who founded Kolot Chayeinu in Brooklyn, back in the nineties, as an unapologetically progressive Jewish congregation. When we lived in Brooklyn, my husband and I were very deeply involved there, she became a mentor to me. I saw that it's possible to do it. [laughs] In terms of spiritual practice and spirituality and Malkhut, most of my life, more like over the past 10 years, I've been training, and learning, and practicing how to practice Jewish practice in a more embodied way. This is-- a lot of this comes through training through the Institute for Jewish Spirituality and bringing mindfulness practice into my Jewish practice. That's actually sort of the style of prayer and the way into Torah that I, that we've really built Malkhut around. Sort of the mindfulness lens on Jewish social justice. It's really about how do we connect our inner work with the outer world. I mean, those things have to be connected in order to be really authentically living our values.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=635.0,810.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : For instance, just now [unclear] interesting, I just led a meditation and a teaching for the Institute for Jewish Spirituality online, and was talking about the inner work that I've been doing the past couple of weeks around the resistance that I feel, or the guilt that I feel, or whatever feelings arise, the desire, whatever feelings arise when I'm looking at wanting to be in the streets and wanting to be an activist for Black lives during COVID, when, is it safe for me to be on the street? But also as a white person and as a white Jew, trying to figure out, like, how do you discern, what is your role and where can you be most helpful? And that takes inner spiritual work to discern and work on, right, in order to then be most helpful in the world and in the fight. And so that's, I don't know if I really answered your question but--\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=810.0,886.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : [laughs] Doesn't matter, honestly. I'm really curious about this idea of safety, right? Both with Black Lives Matter being something designed to create safety in our communities and also COVID's not the safest time to be outside. And also you're doing spiritual leadership in ways that like, people are not able to gather in the same way, for the safety of community. What has safety been like as a concept for you the past little while?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=886.0,917.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : Sorry, what, what--\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=917.0,918.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : What has safety been like as a concept or how has it played into decision making?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=918.0,918.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : It's been really clarifying that what is most important right now is taking care of our health and the health of everyone in our community. In Judaism, the value of Pikuach Nefesh, the value of saving a life, trumps everything. I think our last in-person gathering was Purim and at that point it was very clear that after that, we were not gonna be in person. We moved all of our gatherings online. It's been challenging to create [unclear] as a spiritual connection, challenging to sing together. A lot of what we do at Malkhut is about music, and hard to make music together on Zoom. If this experience [unclear] has been about, when you strip everything else away, what is left to create spiritual community, and it's just people and relationships. And it's enough. And it's kind of amazing, right? Our relationships have kept us in community with each other. We want to see each other on Zoom, even if the singing kind of, not as rich as it normally would be. So that's one way of looking at safety. But then George Floyd is killed and before that Ahmaud Arbery. And there was a Black man in New Jersey who was shot at a traffic stop like two days before George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis. The urgency of justice, racial justice, has not stopped. And like, COVID obviously has revealed all the structural injustices and inequalities in our society even more. And so it's that the call to justice and that call to safety and health are in direct conflict [laughter] with each other right now in terms of, how do I I act?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=918.0,1076.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : But I feel like my role as a spiritual leader has been to help people discern, you know, what are you most comfortable doing, what's most safe for you in terms of your body, how can you use your body? Maybe your body shouldn't be out on the street, but you can use your body in so many ways. You can make phone calls every day. You can write emails every day, you can Tweet every day and it's making a difference. It's actually making a difference. It's amazing to see how aligned the legislative work that's been the product of years and years and years of organizing, policy organizing, that work is so aligned with what's happening on the streets right now that it actually-- you can see it before your very eyes, how it makes a difference to make a phone call. A lot of my job has been telling people, just do it from home, and also telling myself. I had COVID back in March. All four of us did in my family and I was tested, I have antibodies and I actually do feel pretty safe on the street. People are wearing masks, I'm wearing my mask, but I also am realizing there are limits to what I can do. I can't go into Manhattan every day. It's exhausting. But when I'm able to quiet myself and just be with how frustrating that is, I can remember, wait a second, what is my role? And my role as a spiritual leader right now is to be in Queens. There aren't a lot of rabbis on the streets in Queens. It was basically just me, as far as I've seen. And my 79 year old dad, who should not be on the street. He should be in his apartment. But he's been coming out anyway [laughs], you know? So I realized, okay, I can just stay close to home and I can have an impact and I can do something helpful.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1076.0,1203.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : You talked a bit about helping people with [unclear] this moment, in terms of, what are practically the things we actually can do in this moment, both with the Black Lives Matter and also before that with just generally COVID. Generally COVID, what a time. [laughs] Okay. Are there things that people have been asking you for or needing from you that are surprising to you?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1203.0,1233.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : That's interesting. I don't know if it's surprising. One thing that's been-- okay, yeah. The stuff has not been surprising, but there's been a whole lot more of people really just needing some spiritual care, some pastoral care, someone to listen to them, be with them with the trauma of this experience, the full loneliness and isolation of this experience. So there's just been more of that. I have congregants who were already grieving a loss before COVID and then this just compounds it, those kinds of things. But what's been surprising and wonderful as a rabbi, I have to say, it's like, yes, people want more Shabbos. Like we at Malkhut typically only meet one Friday night and one Saturday morning every month when we're in person. And since we've been in lockdown, we've been meeting at least once every weekend, whether it's a Friday or Saturday. Because people want it. And they weren't asking for that kind of frequency before. And they want it not to keep themselves busy because they're bored. People are saying, I need this just to ground myself, to feel sane, to relax for a moment and feel the love, feel peaceful, and to be with my community. [construction sounds] And I'm sorry, the construction noise has started up again, I don't if you're hearing it--\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1233.0,1335.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : I actually [unclear]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1335.0,1335.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : You're okay. Okay. Yeah. That's been a wonderful surprise.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1335.0,1351.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : This is an impossible question. I'm curious about how your relationship with leadership and COVID is [clicks tongue] related to, or the relation to you, having had it, in a way that many people doing leadership have more of a conceptual embodied experience of it as opposed to a practical one.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1351.0,1380.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : I'm not sure I understand the question.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1380.0,1382.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : Yeah sorry that was not clear at all. [laughs].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1382.0,1384.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : It's okay. Try again, try again.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1384.0,1385.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : You're in this leadership role in this time of COVID and a lot of people in leadership roles have a not embodied relationship with COVID in the way that you were talking about your whole family having had it. Do you think that makes a difference in your leadership?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1385.0,1403.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : Yeah, it does. What I think I really learned from COVID as a teacher, if I think of the virus as a teacher is, it's really real that we need to take care of ourselves. It's really real that we need to rest. It's really real that we, as a culture, push, push, push ourselves too much. This capitalist culture does not value rest. The embodied experience of COVID was, you know what, if I don't rest, I'm not gonna get well. And that was like, for real, I cannot push myself. My husband had it the worst of all of us. Thank God we all had it mild and no one was hospitalized or anything awful. He and I both had this experience of after a week or so, the fever starts to go down and you start to feel better and so you feel euphoric and you're like, okay, now I can go do and be productive again, because that's what the world demands of me, right? Like, that's capitalism. [laughter] I need to catch up on all my email. And then the next day it's like, oh shit-- can I say that on this recording?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1403.0,1504.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : [laughs] You can say whatever you want.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1504.0,1504.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : Okay. [Laughs] Like, shit, [laughs], I'm back to square one. That's what it does. It's like, the fever is back. I'm exhausted again, I cannot move. I don't know how it has been for people who've not actually been sick with COVID. But I will say having had it, and then the experience of the shutdown, is of learning very much that we need to value our bodies more and we need to transform the workplace into a place that values health and bodies more. That the whole thing about we're proud Americans because we show up to work even when we're sick. [Laughter] Nope. Real stupid to do that. And I'm endangering thousands of people by doing that, you know? So, God willing, I really do hope that that kind of learning does permeate our culture and transform us after this is over that we provide sick leave [whispers] to everybody. And healthcare to everybody.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1504.0,1606.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : Are there some other changes you think might happen after all of this? Every time I say all of this I mean both COVID and Black Lives Matter and that they're both ongoing and that the work of Black Lives Matter is not gonna be done in our lifetimes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1606.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : Yeah, yeah, yeah. [sighs] Yeah. I am really practicing with and working with those little niggling voices of cynicism and doubt that arise that're like, yes, there really is the opportunity for real change, real transformation. And then you have that little voice of like, oh, but it's always this way. It feels like there's a revolution and then we go back to the way it was and things get clamped down again. It's a real spiritual practice to stay with the forward motion and believing in the movement and believing that it really will change things. And what I want, what I hope to see change, what I think will change. I don't know. When I think about New York City [sigh] This mayor is not going to dismantle the NYPD.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1620.0,1693.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : He's really not.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1693.0,1696.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : [laughs] That's just true. But. We really could elect a mayor who would. I think we could elect a mayor who would, and I do think we really could disempower the police unions or change how the police unions work. I mean, everyone should have the right to unionize. But I see a future beyond this mayor where some fundamental change can happen. I feel like I do see the seeds of that in the city council and people like Jumaane Williams. The next step is working on what is the next generation of leadership going to look like in our state and in our city and in our country. So that we have the right leaders in place. And that's all about voting rights and access to voting, but I think the will of the people is to elect leaders who will invest in Black communities, invest in healthcare, invest in education and housing, right, and divest from militarized police, police in schools [get police out of schools]. I do--yeah. I think that that is possible. I think that that Overton window has moved, and the people see it and more and more people believe that it's possible. The organizing obviously has to just keep on happening. I really hope, and I believe, that organizations and efforts that have been going on for decades now have a whole new multi-racial crop of people that they can bring along into the next phase of work. A lot of the people who've been out on the streets are first time people, they're not trained. How amazing would it be if the Black Lives Matter movement more than tripled in size? I can see that happening. And then I look at Joe Biden and I'm like [sighs].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1696.0,1869.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : [laughs]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1869.0,1869.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : [laughter] I don't know how partisan I can be on this either-- [crosstalk].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1869.0,1874.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : [unclear]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1874.0,1874.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : 501(c)(3) and a rabbi. This is for archives, right?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1874.0,1882.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : Yeah. The only people who are gonna look at this are people who are-- people who are the sort of people who would look at archives, you know. So um [unclear].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1882.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : Retroactively, I can't have my 501(c)(3) taken away. [crosstalk, laughter] Joe Biden is not the one I was hopin' for, man. But I also see how he's listening and he, for sure, as opposed to Trump, right? Like he's someone who's capable of listening and learning, and putting maybe more, hopefully more progressive people around him that will push him, and. So. I'm hopeful that our national leadership will at least create a healthy space space in which the organizing and the work can be done, if not necessarily implementing all the laws and changes we want.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1890.0,1950.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : So this is a bunch of things it sounds to me that you're feeling hopeful about which are mostly things I also am feeling hopeful about [laughs]. And I'm curious if there are any specific things that you are feeling-- despairing seems dramatic, but the opposite of hopeful about moving forward from this time? Or in this time right now.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1950.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : [sighs] Yeah. White supremacy is. So. Deep. In the roots. Of this country. So, so deep. And deep in me, deep in you, deep in all of us. When I say this country, that's very abstract, like-- I was talking earlier about the teaching I just did, this meditation teaching around the sermons and racial justice and I had someone call me out afterwards. I was feeling so good about it like yes, I did a meditation teaching on racial justice, it felt really good, I was being a good white person. And then [sigh] someone called me out in front of know, 250, 350 people on Zoom, that-- the impact for her of the experience was that I had erased the presence of Jews of Color in my teaching. Well shit. And I thought I had been aware and I thought I had prepared with that awareness and still. There it was. Anyway, it's not despair, but it's-- I don't know. It's hard work and it's a long road and if I have it so deeply rooted within me, no matter how much I'm trying to practice anti-racism, so much the more so for so many people who are not even aware, as white people, that they're racist. So there's that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=1980.0,2090.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : And then there's also the highly organized and currently very much empowered forces of white supremacy and white nationalism and the polarization, the division, in this country, the anti-Semitism that is intertwined with all of that. That's what keeps me up at night. And the other thing that keeps me up at night, so maybe that's another better way of saying it than what I despair about, but what keeps me up at night is just seeing the forces of division within the progressive movement, within the Jewish progressive circles. The way that the right, the way that the quote unquote \"mainstream\" Jewish voices, whatever that is [laughs], can divide us. I'm glad to have this in the archives. I was part of a meeting of rabbis with the leaders of the Women's March, with Tamika Mallory and Linda Sarsour after, during, whatever, all of the uproar over to Tamika Mallory, you know, glorifying Louis Farrakhan. And the division that that caused in the Jewish community around participating in the Women's March and being progressive. And I signed a letter with a bunch of other rabbis in support of these leaders and in solidarity with them. And I'm in dialogue, I'm in the ongoing dialogue with these leaders and other leaders, and then multi-racial, multi-faith leader kind of group that we're in. It's scary, the way these forces on the right will just come in and try to divide us, weaken the left, by dividing Jews away from Muslims, because Linda Sarsour is supposedly some enemy. She's amazing. She's an incredible leader and totally understands Jews and is so loving. The way she's been demonized [sighs] and the demonization of Ilhan Omar in Congress, that's the stuff that keeps me awake at night. The way we shoot ourselves in the foot.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2090.0,2262.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : Do you think-- I only have one or two more 'cause I know you have to go-- do you think there's anything that is going to go back to the way it was?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2262.0,2282.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : I mean, if there's anything I would despair about, that's it. I just. Oh my God. I don't want it to go back. I think that the forces for status quo are very, very strong and [sighs] I think we need to, activists, organizers just need to be constantly vigilant about backlash and movement backwards. We can dismantle police departments, for instance, and rebuild them in a way that they actually serve their communities, but I could see how easily it could, they could still revert back to militarization when something scary happens. We respond to fear. And then in terms of post-COVID going back, I think it's gonna still be a fight. It's gonna be a fight to get healthcare for everyone. It's gonna be a fight to get paid sick leave for everyone. If you look at the democratic party [sighs] it's just so disappointing that we have a 70, a septuagenarian white man. And he will be the candidate. And capitalism is strong, too, a very strong force. I guess I'm not saying things will necessarily go back to the way they were and stay there. I think that there's more energy around transformation now, but it's gonna be, we just have to keep fighting.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2282.0,2417.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : Are there things that you wanted to talk about that we haven't gotten to yet?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2417.0,2427.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : Maybe if you could kind of bring me back to what the central question was, even before COVID, or before the more recent Black Lives Matter protests, that would help me remember.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2427.0,2444.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : The project is generally getting an understanding of what people in Queens' lives are like during COVID and particularly in relation to what they were like before COVID.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2444.0,2457.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : You know, I'm not a prophet, [laughter] I can't predict the future. I think we will be going back on the subway. I think our kids will be going back to school in a year. I think this coming year is gonna look really different. There's gonna be a real dance between trying to be together in person inside for things, seeing what happens, and then having to retrench and regroup. I think there will be times when we're safe together in person before there's a vaccine. And then times when the virus will spike and we'll have to clamp down again. But I do have hope that there will be a vaccine, I do have hope that we will be together in community again. My deepest hope is that we, in the midst of the dance, that we will be hard at work creating the structures, dismantling the structures that are racist and inequitable and cause suffering. And that we will be building new structures that honor the divine in everyone. Loving structures, loving laws, care, you know, laws of care, economies of care, that we can build that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2457.0,2581.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : Compassionate community.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2581.0,2581.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2581.0,2583.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : A thing I like to end by asking people is, what's your favorite place in Queens?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2583.0,2594.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : Mmm. That's hard, oh.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2594.0,2594.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : [laughs] I know. You can have a few.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2594.0,2598.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : What comes to mind first is what I miss most, what I really miss most about this time of year in Queens that we are not having which is the Night Market. The Queens Night Market is one of my most favorite things. Standing in line with all my neighbors, all these different people from all over Queens and eating really unhealthy food and amazing food and hearing the music, and my kids running around in the grass. I miss that a lot. And then I would say, another space that I think needs help. In Jackson Heights, I love Diversity Plaza. And it's a very male dominated space. And I know DRUM and other groups have been working on that actually, so that women feel more safe and comfortable in Diversity Plaza. But I love coming out to Diversity Plaza for celebrations. I really miss Queens Pride this year. I'm so bereft of Queens Pride. It's not really a space but a happening, you know, 'cause Pride is an amazing space. Grassroot, homemade, multi-racial like, [unclear]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2598.0,2706.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : It literally is out my window when it happens, it was pretty devastating to not have this year. What was talking about this like for you?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2706.0,2722.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : I just really appreciate the opportunity to reflect. So much of this COVID life and this activist life right now is being on top of what's happening from moment to moment to moment 'cause everything's constantly changing and like, having to repurpose my entire community and my whole work life and my family, everything's changing. To have a moment to step back and just reflect and imagine and think big is really a gift. So I really appreciate that. Thank you. That was great, I loved your questions.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2722.0,2766.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJamie Beckenstein : Thank you. I'm glad. If it feels good to you, I'm going to stop the recording.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2766.0,2772.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084/transcript/26624/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRachel Goldenberg : Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/943/collection_resources/42542/file/115084#t=2772.0,2773.68163"}]}]}]}