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Okay, so my name is Olivia Veazey and I'm interviewing Kenneth Kugler on July 20th, 2023. By making this recording, we both consent to the use of our names, voices, images, and likenesses by the Queens Public Library, understanding that this recording will be the property of the library and will be used in connection with the promotion, and marketing of the library, its programs and services. It will not be sold by the library in any way. We understand that we will not receive compensation and agree to hold the library harmless from any claim arising from use of this interview and recording. Okay. Do you agree, Ken?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=0.0,40.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yes, I agree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=40.0,42.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Okay, so let's start. If you can just talk a little bit about where you grew up and were you visiting libraries when you were young? Do you remember the first time you were at a library or signing your library card?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=42.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I don't remember the first time I had a library card. I just know that I was in elementary school. I know that I used to go to the school library all the time. I wish I remembered her name. She was very sweet and I remember finding all these amazing things to read. That's where I found a passion for not only fiction, but for nonfiction. I loved history and I probably had a library card before I was 10 years old, probably younger, maybe eight years old. And it was like a gift, having that card. It was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=58.0,110.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Where did you grow up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=110.0,111.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I grew up in North Woodmere, which is part of the Five Towns on Long Island and Nassau County. We're virtually on the border between Nassau County and Queens County.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=111.0,126.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Okay. And do you remember any of the books that you were reading or any particular stories or topics that you were really interested in when you were younger? Were you reading about animals or war?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=126.0,138.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Actually, one of the things I fell in love with was Colonial America.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=138.0,143.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: When you were 8?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=143.0,143.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: 8, 9 or 10, somewhere in that range. I fell in love with it. I became a huge history buff for when I finally went back to college. Not the last time, that was for Library Science. The time before, I was already 39 when I started. I wanted to be a history teacher, and it was because of all the books that I read and I discovered at the library. Once you find the section in the library, you don't even have to know the Dewey Decimal Numbers. You just know that's the section.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=143.0,183.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: And you just go through and look for anything that's interesting. And also through that I discovered biographies. I became a huge fan of Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, John Adams. Washington, not so much. He didn't grab me even though he became first president and leader of the military. But what can I say? That's just my brain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=183.0,218.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: What do you think was interesting to you about Colonial America? Why do you think it was so interesting to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=218.0,226.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Watching all these different people coming together from different colonies who had different backgrounds, different religions, and they were centered in different states and yet they're still able to become one nation because they found an enemy. They really wanted to get rid of the British, and even though it took a while after to form the government, they wound up being able to do it. I think it took about two years for all the states to finally agree with the constitution, and there were some adjustments. I remember that too. What they are right now I couldn't tell you, but I know there were some.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=226.0,280.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: And were you a big reader? Have you been a big reader your whole life, even through high school and your first jobs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=280.0,286.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yes. Even back in the days where I was a hippie, and I'll show you pictures of that too. I always read books. I almost always had a book with me in my back pocket, in a backpack, a sling bag, something like that. Always had one around at my folks' house. We even had a spot, and I think I was a good part of the reason they had it, a bookshelf where we'd keep other books. We'd get books occasionally. It's not new, but used to be able to buy books from the library, too. They would be getting rid of them just like they do now. I still buy books from the library. I go to Queens occasionally because I'm on the border, but I also go to my local library. They sell books that they're getting rid of for 10 cents each.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=286.0,353.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: No way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=353.0,354.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah, and if you buy, I think it's 15 for a dollar, but you have to do it in one shot and that almost never happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=354.0,364.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: And do you find really good books this way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=364.0,367.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I have. I found books that way and while I was looking last week, I couldn't help it. This woman was looking at it and I saw this book that I really, really loved. It was historical fiction, and I said, \"That's a great book.\" And she goes, \"Really?\" I says, \"Yeah, that's the first one. I believe that's the second one.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=367.0,388.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: It was a book called Medicus. It was about a goofball doctor in the Roman army who was sent to, I forgot what it's called now. It was written back then the area, and it was hysterically funny and historically accurate. So in that way, I still can't stop telling people about, oh, that's a good book. I also told her there's a really great website if you'd like to read fiction and you're not sure the order of the books, there's a place online called Fantasticfiction.com. You put in the author's name or you put the book in, and the author will come up. And then you can click on it and you'll see all the books written in the order they came out. So which is first, second, third, fourth. Like That.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=388.0,446.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Do you like reading things in that way chronologically?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=446.0,449.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Well, if it's a series, yeah, most of the time it is important to read it. Like you go, \"What the hell is this about? Oh, you have to read that book to understand that.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=449.0,460.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: So what jobs when you were in high school and then out of high school, what kind of jobs were you working before you became a librarian later in your life? What did you do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=460.0,474.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Well, going to Nassau Community College, I wound up going to Nassau at night. During the daytime I had a job. My mom wanted me to pay for my own college, and back then it wasn't expensive. I think it was 250 a semester.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=474.0,490.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: What a dream.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=490.0,492.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah, I know [laughter]. I know. Even if you factor in inflation, it's still a hell of a lot cheaper. I worked for a drugstore making deliveries locally. And it's funny that near the end, just before I was done, I met my wife there. Her best friend went out on a couple of dates with my brother, and my brother used to talk about me. So, she came over and thought it would help her. Like, oh, Kenny likes me, David will like me even better. And she liked me. Then she said, \"I have a friend\", and she brought her over and that's how I met my wife. And I remember the date because it was exactly my half birthday. It was April 26th, 1974. And I worked, worked there. Then I went, a couple of months after I met my wife, girlfriend at the time, I wound up going to SUNY New Paltz [State University of New York at New Paltz], and while I was there, after a while I dropped out of college. I just didn't know what I wanted to do, and I stayed up there. I found a job at a hotel on the other side of the mountain and I became a bellhop working there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=492.0,591.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: And I did that for about two and a half years. And then I moved back down here, tried getting jobs. I wound up with several different jobs that nothing lasted more than like two months. And then I just looked in the newspaper in the help wanted ads. And back then there were a lot more. Like now there's three ads. And I saw, one of the things I was looking for was the phone number had the first three letters of mine, numbers, 7-9-1. And I saw one and I called it up and it was driving a small van, making deliveries to apartment buildings. I delivered plastic bags, and I was there for 17 years. Then I started noticing that I'm getting muscle strains, pulled back, stuff like that. And I'm thinking to myself, \"I'm only in my late thirties. This is not a good thing.\" So I started to go back to school and I was going part-time in the evenings. And then the economy took a big hit in 1991, and about a year later I got laid off and I then switched to full-time at Nassau, sorry, at Queens College. I got a Degree in Secondary Ed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=591.0,684.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I didn't get the master's because people told me, \"Don't do that until you get a job.\" Because they wouldn't want to hire you at the higher rate at first. And you can go to school and you'd earn money. And as you're working and getting going to your master's, you hit certain levels and you get raises according to that. Well, I couldn't get a job and I wound up being a substitute for about six years, and towards the end of it, one of the assistant principals at Valley Stream South told me that he would hire me in a heartbeat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=684.0,727.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: He knows I would never leave, but the people who do the hiring would rather hire somebody in their early twenties. And so that's how I decided I got to do something else. And I go, Sharon, my wife seems pretty happy being a librarian. And so I told her that and she told me later on that she didn't think I was organized enough. She said I would be really great with customer service, but with all the work and stuff like that you'd have to do, she's the one who keeps me organized and she didn't think I would work out that way. It turned out I did. I became better and organized after a couple of years working.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=727.0,774.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: And I did luck out getting a job at Queens Library. I got hired about two months before September 11th, 2001. And I wanted to, because of my working in a school and a program they had here called CLASP, which stood for Connecting Libraries and School Projects. Programs [CLASP stood for Connecting Libraries and Schools Project, corrected by transcript editor]. It was an outreach to the schools. Middle schools, elementary schools, high schools, private schools too, Catholic schools. And so when I went for the interview, they said, \"Where do you see yourself here?\" And I said, \"Well, I was thinking about CLASP\" and the look on the person's eye and goes, \"You want to work with CLASP?\" And I go, \"Yeah.\" They go, \"I can't say it's official, but you're hired.\" They never were able to get enough people to work for them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=774.0,839.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Do you know why that is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=839.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: No. I guess a lot of people didn't like the idea of never knowing where you are. The routine is different all the time. So after September 11th, I started the month after, and within two months I was already working, going to different schools, but I was onboarding and I had two different people I would go with. And then the state, I'm not sure it was the state or the city, started cutting funds to the library because of the turndown after September 11th. And we wound up not knowing if CLASP was going to be around. Then they canceled CLASP to save the budget, which I believe was 4 or 5 million dollars a year. And that saved them money. And they wound up putting me in the Young Adult Section in the Queens Library, the main branch in Central. And that's where I worked for about eight years, eight, nine years. And the funny thing is I'm still friends with some of the kids who were young adults then who are now 35, 40. It's weird.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=840.0,929.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: So who are you still friends with or how do you keep in touch with them? Do you see them here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=929.0,934.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Facebook mostly. I have seen a couple of them. The last one was Ezekiel [phonetic], everyone called him EZ for Ezekiel [phonetic]. And actually last time I saw him was just only a couple of months before I wound up retiring. He came in, some of the people would come in once in a while, but obviously for the last couple of years the library wasn't open really. It was open to pick up a book and go. We would do remote telephone reference a lot. We would be getting books, bringing them in, finding them downstairs and prepping them to be sent out. We'd bring 'em to a room. And in reverse—I can show you later pictures of what downstairs looked like with skids of new books, shrink wrapped, filling the entire area downstairs. Yeah, it's pretty wild.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=934.0,1004.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: So can we go back a little bit? So you had gone back to school for secondary education to become a teacher, and what drew you to being a teacher and what teaching were you hoping to do? And then how did you like it when you did all those years of substitute teaching?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1004.0,1024.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Because I was such a history buff, the only thing I thought of was working as a Social Studies teacher. And I thought somebody who really enjoys history and understands it and likes talking would be able to get kids to understand it more about history than if they're just reading and not having things explained. And I really thought that I would be a good teacher. In fact, I still think I would've been. But I started too late. I went on interviews and I never got a job. And after about a year and a half of that, I finally decided I was going to go back to school and become a librarian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1024.0,1082.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: At first I didn't know and I, but after a while I realized you can't be a substitute as a profession. And so as I said before, my wife was a librarian and she loved it. She was a librarian for 37 years, and so I decided she seems pretty happy. I think I'll try that. And it wasn't until after I became a librarian that my wife told me that she wasn't sure if I was, she knew I'd get along helping people out, but she didn't think I was organized enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1082.0,1128.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: I remember when we talked earlier, you had said that she, for many, many years that you'd been together, she was thinking, \"I bet that he would like being a librarian, but I don't know if he could do it. He's not organized enough.\" But then when you actually started, she didn't say that to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1128.0,1144.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: No. When my manager and assistant manager when I was a young adult librarian, once, one of them had a desk in our little cubicle area and she said, \"How do you find anything on your desk?\" And I go, \"What do you need?\" And she said, \"Well, how about getting this?\" I reached in, lifted up two or three pages, and I go, \"Here.\" And she just looked at me and goes, \"How about this?\" And I reached over to another section. After a while though, I realized it was a bit messy and I wound up getting a lot more organized. But I did know where things were in the piles, which I think part of it was luck that it went to the right section. But I had an idea where it was because otherwise, she tried three or four different things, I found everything right away. Nothing took long enough where she'd go, \"Yeah, well, you don't know where it is.\" So I just was able to get away with it like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1144.0,1214.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I loved working with the kids in the young adult room. We had three young adult librarians and all of us had our own little followers. And they were, it's funny, like I said, I still am in touch with some of them. Yes, only these days only on Facebook, but it was so nice and I liked it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1214.0,1250.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: But eventually I wanted to move out because you are on constantly. Not for the ones who like you, they're the ones who listen to you. But for everyone else, and it was a lot more discipline involved and it takes a toll after a while and you get exhausted. I didn't have the same kind of control that if I was a teacher. \"I'm going to call your parents.\" \"No, please don't.\" No, that doesn't work in the library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1250.0,1283.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: And so eventually I switched over to the adult services. I was part of History, Biography and Social Science. And at that point we were divided into different groups. And later on they combined everything during another turndown in the economy and got rid of all those divisions. They had different managers who would have, let's say, programming, and then that's the section I was in, getting together programs, still going occasionally to schools, but we would arrange to have programs, we would monitor programs. Like we had movies three different times a week, so somebody would be assigned to classic movies, somebody would be to foreign movies and another one to independent movies. And it was a lot of fun most of the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1283.0,1352.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Did you have favorite programs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1352.0,1356.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah, I had a couple of favorite ones. And they were things like, and I don't mean just one type, but one of my favorite was the Alzheimer's Association. I helped arrange for them to be here and talk to people on different levels. How to manage all the health issues and everything, how to take care of yourself if you're a caretaker, what programs are available, what can be helped through the Alzheimer's Association, and how they would be able to help you find different places in local and state. And I really enjoyed it. There were never a lot of people in there, but it felt like I was doing something really good, helping to do that. And I brought them back a couple of times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1356.0,1414.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I also did some travel programs. That was my section to maintain and to build up and to weed, and it was a passion of mine. So that worked. And another thing I liked, another program that I liked doing was, I did it twice but it was a 8 or 10 part, it was Introduction to Hindi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1414.0,1453.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: No way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1453.0,1453.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: And it was awesome. The first time it was here live and during the pandemic we did it again and it was able to be done remotely. In fact, that's the only way it was. There was no one live. Well, there were people live here, but one of the things that we did was we arranged for if you just had a sign in, you could sign in from anywhere. And I still remember one guy talking and you could hear noise in the background going, \"What is that?\" The instructors goes, \"I know you're paying attention because you're participating, but where are you?\" And he takes the laptop, turns it around. He's at Yankee Stadium at a game, and he didn't want to miss a class. He liked it that much. And it's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1453.0,1512.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: That's amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1512.0,1514.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: And I learned a couple of phrases and stuff like that, and yes, I forgot them all already, but it was fun. It was enjoyable. People got to, they would ask about foods and they would send you stuff like that. And somebody did set up some movies, and I told him about a Hindi movie that I loved that we saw. I monitored a movie for foreign movies and it was called Lunchbox. Lunch Pail. Lunch Pail [The title of the movie is Lunchbox, corrected by transcript editor]. And it was how people in India would sometimes have a location where they'd pick up lunch and it was in lunchbox and the guy picked up one and it was the wrong one. He picked up and he wound up meeting this woman and talking with her and everything like that. And I mentioned that, and the teacher goes, \"That is one of the best movies.\" So it felt really good. So that was really nice. We did a lot of programs. We would have authors who come in and talk to the people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1514.0,1586.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Did you ever have one of your favorite authors come in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1586.0,1589.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Actually, we did. There was a guy, a young adult librarian, a young adult author named Scott Westerfeld, and I loved his books. He was fantasy, and I was reading his blog and he goes, \"Well, I used to write adult books, but adults just don't get me like you.\" And I just wrote to him and I said, \"Excuse me, I'm 50 years old, and I've read every single one of your books and I love it.\" And he goes, \"That's great, that's awesome.\" And he got it from my Queens Account. So he also saw that I was a Queens Library, and he goes, \"I spend half the year in New York and half the year in\"—California I think it is, the other place where his wife was from. And he said, \"Would you like, I would love to come in and give a talk to some of your kids.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1589.0,1652.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: And I just go, \"Yeah.\" And I go, \"How much do you want?\" He goes, \"No, this is a freebie.\" So I told upstairs about that and they said, \"You got to take him out to dinner.\" Him and his wife and me and two other librarians went and we took him and his wife out. We went to a place, and I still go to one of their branches, the restaurants, took us to a Thai restaurant called SriPraPhai. And they have a place in, I think it's Woodside and another one in Nassau County, just over the border, right on Hillside Avenue. And the food is amazing. Thank you, Scott. But that was one of my favorite. I mean, you can't top that. I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1652.0,1704.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah, amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1704.0,1704.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: It was great. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1704.0,1705.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah. You'd read all his books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1705.0,1707.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I have. I am still up to date on all his books. It's fantasy and it's really great. It's a lot of fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1707.0,1719.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah. So what was it like to meet him and talk with him? Did he talk about the books or did he talk about other things?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1719.0,1724.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: No, we talked about the books, his books. And I'm trying to remember his wife's name. She also wrote some books I read. She stopped writing books, but she helps other authors now get their stuff together. But it was just so much fun. I mean, I couldn't believe it. And we told all the kids to come in. We were going to have, he was going to bring some books and he was, autograph and sell 'em, and he sold out. The kids loved it. And they liked being in it. It was also in a smaller room. Sometimes when we have author talks, we would use the auditorium downstairs. This we did in the there's an area in the young adult section where it's closed off. It's called a Quiet Room, but we had it locked off, locked off for that talk. It was fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1724.0,1788.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1788.0,1789.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Great memories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1789.0,1790.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah, that sounds fantastic. I'm curious too, when you were doing CLASP, you did that only pretty briefly before it was shut down?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1790.0,1801.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: About three months.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1801.0,1802.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1802.0,1802.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1802.0,1803.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Okay. What did the outreach look like when you were doing it, if you remember?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1803.0,1810.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: They arranged ahead of time to have teachers and parents meet us at different schools. We would go to them and we would tell them things that the library had to offer, how they could take advantage of it. A lot of the things had to do with books, regular things, books, audio books, stuff like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1810.0,1837.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: But also, it was the beginning of the internet, and we would talk about how we had classes to understand how to use. People didn't understand or couldn't use Word [Microsoft Word] that well back then. You know, it was still new. It had been around a couple of years. In fact, I remember when Central first got computers for the public, there was only I think about three or four of them. There was, standing on little stands in the front, right near the front where we had the elevators, and people were only signed up for, I think it was 15 minutes at a time. So other people, and I went on it once and it was great. That was my first time with a computer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1837.0,1889.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Really? Was at the library?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1889.0,1891.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah. And that was probably about 1996.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1891.0,1897.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah. Do you remember what you did on it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1897.0,1900.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I was looking up some information for, we were going to go away on a vacation, and I wanted to know a little bit more about it. Yes, I know travel guides, but there are, there's more up to date online. Although, back then there was less, there was still a decent amount. And I think back then it was also 10 cents a page to print out, or a nickel a page. Now you get your first, I forget if it's 20 pages free here. Yeah. And it was just so awesome. But there was long lines.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1900.0,1936.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: And I still remember getting my first computer, and I had so much trouble putting it together. My sister-in-law of mine worked for a computer firm, and she helped put it together. And when we were having trouble with something, she called up the help. And the guy started, you hear a woman on the phone and you go, \"Ah, she doesn't know what she's talking about.\" She started, okay, and she started using technical terms. All of a sudden, bam! He was helping her out. And he goes, \"Okay, very good.\" Was able to put everything together and fix it out right. She wasn't familiar with the setup of this, and she had to put in the hard drive and put 'em together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1936.0,1985.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: But she knew computers. Yeah. That must've been satisfying. So in the time, we've talked about it a little bit, I guess, or you've mentioned times where funding was pulled, and so there are these programs that are cut, but are there big changes that you've seen to the library in your time here that really strike you? When you think about how your time at the library has been when you were visiting it as a kid and when you were working as a substitute teacher, when you started working at Queens Public Library, what are the big changes you've seen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=1985.0,2026.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Well, the digitalization of everything. I can now search from home. Back then, when I first started going to the libraries, you had a card catalog.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2026.0,2036.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: A friend of mine, in fact, I was just talking to him a couple of days ago, he goes, \"I could never figure out how to use those card catalogs.\" And really, there's only two ways. Well, there was two easy ways of doing it. One is looking up a subject and the other is looking up the author. And if you looked up a subject, after a while, you knew that if you were looking for, let's say, travel guides, you're looking at approximately 914 to 919.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2036.0,2069.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: If you're looking up biographies, that you do by the author, by the person's last name. And it was easy if you knew it. And even if you didn't understand it, if there was a certain type of fiction you liked, you found out where to go. And that's the section you hung out. You didn't have to know all that stuff. Same for if you were into history or travel or finance. If you wanted the occult, you knew the section to go to, and that was it. The only thing that might change is that some of the libraries, and they still do, they have a new book section where the new books are put, and you can go looking through those and it was a lot of fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2069.0,2126.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah. Can you describe physically what the card catalog was like? Because I remember so vaguely when I was in elementary school learning the Dewey Decimal System.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2126.0,2139.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Okay. The cards are about two by four. There was a long box and there was a metal tube going through. All the cards had a hole in it that you would be able to put the metal through. On the outside, you'd see the numbers, that it's from this number to this number, or A to C, D to, you know, and then you'd be able to pull it open and then look for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2139.0,2175.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Like I said before, you'd be able to look up by author or by subject, or if it was a biography by the person's last name. Although, that would be easy, just ask where the biography section is. But this way you could also look up and see if they had any books that you were interested in before heading over there, too. And when everything went online, I remember before I became a librarian, they were already getting rid of a lot of the card catalogs and they were giving them away, selling them for like a dollar, not the cards, just the sleeves that it was kept in. And my wife said, this is the perfect size for, my God, what's it called? Audio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2175.0,2237.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Oh, for cassette tapes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2237.0,2239.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Tapes, cassette tapes. And they fit in perfectly. So you just put the name on the top of, you know, and you also do it alphabetically by the band. And we had several of them filled. Now I don't even, I know we still have some of them around, and I actually have something I can play audio on, but they don't sound good anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2239.0,2266.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2266.0,2268.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: It didn't hold [unclear] that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2268.0,2269.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Those were from the Queen Library you said? Amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2269.0,2272.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah. They were wood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2272.0,2274.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Oh, beautiful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2274.0,2275.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Looked really nice. Yeah. If I'd known, I'd have brought one in to show you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2275.0,2283.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: That's one of the things that I think—I worked in a library for four years when I was in college. And one of my favorite things about just being in the library all the time was that if I went to look for a book, there were all the other books around it. I found some of my favorite books that way, just by actually being able to see them all, and it's just so different online. Sometimes they recommend you books, but that's really different than getting to see all the books around it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2283.0,2315.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I remember when I was a young adult librarian telling some of the kids, because we're hiring part-time aides, you could help out and you get a couple of bucks [imitates kids replying unenthusiastically]. And I says, \"And also when you go to the back and you bring books back, you get first crack at them.\" And all of a sudden, bam! They all wanted it because that way they could get the manga that was—\"Ooh, that one just came back. It's mine.\" This book, that book, whatever. And they were getting paid for it. They didn't work a lot of hours, maybe 10 hours a week or something like that. But when they went into the back to get them from the return section, they're like, \"Okay, that's mine. That's mine. That's mine.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2315.0,2360.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Exactly. That's how I felt when I was working in the library, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2360.0,2364.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah. Yeah. It's fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2364.0,2368.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah. Let me see what else we want to cover. You can look at them too and see if there's—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2368.0,2382.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I started working here at Central. It was 2001. I found out about the job, obviously from my wife because she told me that they were hiring. The funny thing is when she first came here to apply, she didn't realize you needed a Master's in Library Science. And she actually couldn't even find the library because if you see, we're on Merrick Boulevard, and Merrick Boulevard actually is an extension of Merrick Road, which runs all the way out into Nassau County. Might even run into Suffolk. I'm not sure off the top of my head. But she figures, oh, well, all I have to do is take Merrick Road to Merrick Boulevard and take it right to the library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2382.0,2429.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: She didn't know that Merrick Boulevard at, I think it's Liberty Avenue, splits one way and in one way. She came home and she couldn't figure it out. Because I drove a truck and I had maps, yes, physical maps, I took her on a Saturday, showed her where it was, and she came in on Monday. She just goes, \"Hi, I am looking for a job. I'd like to be a librarian.\" She was an English major. She figured that would do it. And they said, \"Well, do you have a degree in library science?\" And that was the first she heard of it, but they gave her an application to fill out. She filled it out. And after she had been going to library school for a little while, she got a job. I think it was a trainee, a librarian trainee, which means you're in school, but you don't have the degree yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2429.0,2483.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: And she was hooked. She was in several different divisions, and at the end, she wound up going upstairs to Cataloging. She's very, very precise. You want things in order, she's your person. She also got me organized, which was a miracle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2483.0,2505.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Has she been interviewed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2505.0,2507.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah, she was interviewed at our house maybe five months ago, six months ago, something like that. And that's what got me, was asked if I wanted to. And then the person before got COVID and that was it. And then here you are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2507.0,2529.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Good thing I didn't get COVID. I almost feel like we should do an interview with you and her together. I bet there would be different stories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2529.0,2538.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Oh yeah, it would be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2538.0,2543.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: So there were times where you two were both here at Central working together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2543.0,2547.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2547.0,2548.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: You didn't overlap?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2548.0,2549.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: No, we did. But several assistant managers and managers told us that they didn't want us working on the same desk because they wanted to make sure there was no favoritism. And it was only after Sharon was going to transfer upstairs to Cataloging that, I think it was the last week, the managers put us together for the first time in four years, something like that. And she went upstairs to Cataloging and spent the rest of her career up there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2549.0,2584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: What was it like when you had the desk together for a week?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2584.0,2588.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Oh, it wasn't for a week. It was only a shift or two, and it was just fun. It was nice. I understand why they did it, but I don't think it was right. It's not like she was my manager or anything like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2588.0,2614.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah. Let's see. I'm curious what you think of this. So what your experience of how libraries are viewed by the public and if that's changed? I have the sense, I guess my feeling is that libraries offer so much and it's usually that people don't realize how much there is available at libraries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2614.0,2637.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah. Even though I don't work at the library anymore, and to some extent I'm sorry I don't, but I tell people all the time of things that libraries have to offer that they don't even realize.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2637.0,2656.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: One of my sisters was an assistant district attorney in Queens, and she lived in Suffolk. And she was like, \"Oh, it's such a long drive,\" blah, blah, blah. \"I listen to the news, I listen to some music.\" I go, \"Why don't you get audio books?\" And goes, \"Well, my library doesn't have that many.\" I says, \"You live in New York State, you can get a Queens one.\" And where she worked was near three different libraries. So she started listening to audio books back and forth and stuff like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2656.0,2694.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I tell people all the time about Culture Pass. And do you know what Culture Pass is? Okay. I tell people about it because there are so many places that you can go to around New York City and you can go into places and not have to pay. And you can go on the Intrepid [Intrepid Museum]. There's a limit to how many times you could do that per year. But I think it's New York Botanical Garden in the Bronx, all these museums, all these historic centers that you can go into. And I still do it now. I mean, a friend of mine who lives in Manhattan was complaining about, she has trouble, she just bought this book and it's expensive. And she goes, \"I read it once.\" And I just said, \"Excuse me, have you thought about the library?\" And she goes, \"No.\" On Facebook. And I go, \"Do you know New York City has over 60 locations?\" Not, besides the Bronx, I'm sorry, besides Brooklyn and Queens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2694.0,2776.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: And it turned out she was four blocks from a library. She never even noticed it because it was on the side street and she never walked past it. Now she goes there all the time. It's really funny. But I kid around that I'm a cheap bastard [laughter]. And why not get to use everything that you can? You are already paying for it. Being a New York resident, you can also get a Brooklyn [Brooklyn Public Library] card and a New York Public [New York Public Library] card. So if you want to go back to, let's say New York Botanical Garden, and you can only go once a year or something like that, now you can go three times in a year without having to pay. You still have to pay for parking unless you take the bus. But you could do that. You can go to the Brooklyn Botanical Garden. There are historic sites, and it's just like, why not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2776.0,2839.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: And you can log in and find a reservation online so you don't have to like, oh, I have to go there first. No. You will find other things that you didn't even realize when you're looking through what sites that are available. The Guggenheim Museum, [American] Museum of Natural History. I mean, yes, technically you don't have to pay, but they always say recommended. And this way you just go, here's my pass, and they just take it and you feel like you did the right thing. Brooklyn, the Brooklyn Museum, I've used it there too. And it makes people happy. Me for being cheap [laughter], but others for finding out about all these other places. Some of them didn't even know they were right near them. New York Botanical Garden, I'm sorry, Queens Botanical Garden right off Main Street, you can go in there for free too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2839.0,2910.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2910.0,2911.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Did you know that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2911.0,2913.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: I didn't know about Queens, but I knew about some of the other botanical gardens, and the Guggenheim [Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum]. Yeah. Yeah. So what, can I ask, why did you decide to retire when you did? Was it your choice or was it other circumstances?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2913.0,2933.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: It was a combination of things. I knew I was going to retire within a couple of years anyway. And part of it is hindsight. They say, hindsight's 2020. I wish I'd stayed another year or two. I really do. But by leaving when I did during the pandemic, they let us carry over all our vacation time. And by turning that into cash that went towards my retirement fund, it made a big difference. And I took all the money that I got from the vacation time and I put it directly into my 403(b), meaning I didn't have to pay tax on it then. Eventually I will, but it'll be enough time for it to probably double. And if they had let me carry over—I [planned] to put in more vacation. If I thought clearly and saw where I was, I would've spoken to the person who is responsible for letting you carry over more going, \"Look, I'm thinking of retiring. Would you let me carry over more?\" And instead, I didn't. And I just said, can I carry over—I'd like to carry over an extra 15 days. He goes, \"No, five extra days.\" And that meant 15 days I think altogether.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=2933.0,3025.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: So I retired then and I really wish I had more structure in the beginning. My wife, when she retired, had an idea of some of the things she wanted to do. Me, I was just tossed out of a car while driving 70 miles an hour. And I hit the ground running and just kept tumbling [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3025.0,3047.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: And that was when, again? [unclear]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3047.0,3049.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I retired two years ago, the end of June. The last day of June was my last day. And at that point we were still closed to the public. I think the only thing we had was, it was a place for pickup. And you go over, there was, you pick up books that you requested and you come over. They couldn't go into the library. They couldn't do anything in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3049.0,3077.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah, yeah. And so what have you been spending your time doing now that you've—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3077.0,3084.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Looking for interviews that I can, no. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3084.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Visiting the library sometimes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3090.0,3093.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Oh, constantly. Seriously, I read between, a slow week is one book, an average week is probably two to three books. I love reading. When we leave this room, when it's done, I'm going to show you a spot here where you can get free books before they're available to the public. There's something called Advanced Reader Copies, ARCs, and we have them over here and whenever I come in, I have to call my wife on FaceTime and then show her the books over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3093.0,3139.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I love reading. It's addictive. Sometimes, it's funny. I'm laying on the couch reading and it's later at night and I just go, I'm going to have to go back and read the last 20 pages again cuz I have no idea, cuz I'm just reading [unclear]. What did I read? I don't know [laughter]. That's when I go, it's time to go to bed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3139.0,3168.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I became addicted to walking. I always liked walking, but except when it rains and except when it snows. I hit 10,000 steps, easy. My wife and I went to Montreal for our anniversary this year, which was in May. And even though we took the subway a couple of times, we mostly walked and there were days we were hitting 18, 20,000 steps a day. Yeah, I know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3168.0,3210.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Those are pretty healthy addictions to have, reading and walking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3210.0,3214.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah. I wish I could do it at the same time. In the beginning of the pandemic, when everybody was literally staying in and watching TV and watching like 5 million hours a week, I was walking. And so many people I know were complaining about what was, they call it the COVID 15 where they put on weight because they were just sitting around. I took off 10 pounds inside the first half year. I put a couple of back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3214.0,3253.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Where were you walking? Where would you go?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3253.0,3257.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I live in a nice area just inside of Nassau, outside of Queens. There are parks that I would go to where I didn't have to worry about running into people. There's a place called Massapequa Preserve. It's off Sunrise Highway, but east, north, south, it's also part of the Green Trail. That's one of the green trails. And as insane as it sounds, you could walk all the way from Freeport all the way to Huntington on the North Shore if you wanted to. And except for crossing roads, you're on it all the time. I started to see how far I can go and I stopped when I crossed the Southern State [Parkway] cuz I go, if I keep going, I could do that, but that means I got to come back the entire way also by myself. Not far from where I live was one of the richest areas in Nassau County, Hewlett Harbor, and connected to it is Woodsburgh and Old Lawrence, and these areas have beautiful old homes and a lot of the areas don't have sidewalks at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3257.0,3342.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: You got to live there and that's it. When I was in my senior year in high school, I got a car my senior year at the end of my senior year, and I would drive around in Hewlett Harbor, and people there didn't like people driving there who obviously looked like they were looking around. And I got pulled over by the cops on more than one time, \"What are you doing here?\" Like I was going to rob the place. And so I stopped going in there because you get pulled over three times in a week, okay, I'm going to—but the architecture, they're unique. There's almost no repetition of houses. You walk around anywhere else, they all, where I live, I live in a section of Valley Stream called Gibson, and almost every house on my block looks the exact same. Maybe it's turned from this way, head on to sideways, back and forth. There were a couple of houses that are different. And different blocks have the same patterns over and over again. And it was just a cheap way of doing it. Just an aside, my wife, she loves cataloging and she's cataloged our stuff in our house. She found the original bill of sale for the house and it was $15 down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3342.0,3432.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3432.0,3433.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3433.0,3434.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: What?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3434.0,3435.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3435.0,3435.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: From when?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3435.0,3436.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: 15 down. It was a down payment for the property and they were going to build the house. They picked the lot. I know, I just love telling this because you got to be kidding, but I'm not kidding. And the house has been in her family next year will be 100 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3436.0,3459.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: And so her family built the house originally, too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3459.0,3462.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Had it built for them. Her father was a building inspector and he did a lot of work in the house, which explains why we've had to have work done. Fix it again. But back when the house was built, there wasn't a lot of electric outlets and stuff like that. So, there's our book room that originally had one double outlet and one switch. And then when Sharon's parents had a couple of kids, that became one of the rooms, but they needed more electricity in there. So, what they had to do is he drilled a hole through the baseboard. Put the plug in the other room, and then the end of the plug had heads for I think it was two or four other things. Otherwise, there was no room for clock. There was no—it was older. We've upgraded quite a lot over the years, but it's been around a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3462.0,3535.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: The book room, is that just your library?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3535.0,3538.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: It is, yes. Mostly. Yeah, that is it. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3538.0,3543.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Is it well organized?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3543.0,3545.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: My wife did it, yes. What do you think? If you ever want to see where we've been on vacation, we have catalogs, all the books, a lot of the maps, stuff like that. During the pandemic, she reorganized some of them. She broke up the Halloween into different themes of Halloween.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3545.0,3575.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: How possibly?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3575.0,3580.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: We used to have Halloween party all the time. It stopped when everyone, all of our friends started having kids and then they had to be home at eight o'clock [laughs] for the kids. So, eventually we stopped. Some of the themes were funny, but if you want to know what concerts we were at, she has most of them. I'm sure in the beginning we weren't saving them all, but she has 30 or 40 playbills from Broadway plays. She can tell us when we saw David Bromberg, which time we saw him, where we saw him. The Grateful Dead, where we saw 'em in smaller venues, we saw them in venues that only held like 1500 people, and we just saw the Dead and Company for the final tour.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3580.0,3650.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Oh, you did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3650.0,3650.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah, of course. I think there was like 45,000 people and that was without selling out half the stadium because it would've been behind the stage and you couldn't see it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3650.0,3668.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: And that was crazy. We took the train to Willets Point, Long Island Rail Road to Willets Point, and there was some huge festival going on underneath and we went to see it. I was so happy to see that The Grateful Dead, Dead and Company, had fans across all age groups. We saw David Bromberg. I don't know if you've ever heard of him. Okay. Everyone was my age within five years before, except for two people who brought their grandkids. With Grateful Dead, we were next to people who were in their twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, like my wife, seventies, like me, and it was a great concert. It was really good. Somebody I know asked me if I wanted to see them in San Francisco with him. He had an extra ticket and I'm thinking to myself, I would like to, but it's going to cost me 500 bucks, 700? Nah, it's not worth it. I just saw 'em last week [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3668.0,3746.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: But you considered it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3746.0,3748.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I did. I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3748.0,3753.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Was there anything else we should cover do you think? Is there anything that—pull this back up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3753.0,3768.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: A lot of patrons only come in for one thing or two things and they don't realize everything the library has to offer. Some of them, a lot of them come in for the computer, use free. They also come in for wifi because that's free. You can just hook up and that's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3768.0,3786.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: It really makes me sad realizing how many people have little or no money. They come in. Libraries are also cooling centers. During the winter, heating centers. During the summer the children's room and teens they have lunches given out through the city, and a lot of people don't realize what else they have because they're coming in just for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3786.0,3824.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: It's also sad when you are friends with, I am friends with some of the people in security. And they would tell us that in the evenings when it's really hot or it's really cold, they had to go through the bathrooms and check to make sure somebody wasn't hiding in a stall because they didn't want to go back to the homeless shelter or where they were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3824.0,3847.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: We offer so many different things at the library. The New York State ID [Queens Public Library's Central Library location serves as an enrollment center for IDNYC, a free municipal identification card for New York City residents. Corrected by transcript editor.] for people who don't have driver's license, that's offered here. In fact, I heard there was a mini riot last week because the line went so long. They've now put some restrictions. I just found out today that they turned away 80 people. They're going to have to come back another day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3847.0,3874.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Something else that the library offers that a lot of people don't know, not all the branches have it, the Shakespeare in the Park, you can get tickets here. There were a couple of locations too, probably Flushing and one or two other locations. But it really, I wish people knew more about everything the library offers. It's not just free wifi and computer use. We offer classes. If you have a child and you're not sure how to pay for the school, there are classes we have on how to apply for grants. They don't even realize we have books that help them with that and it's updated each year. People also, and I've found this from people I know and their kids, they go to school, to college with the greatest ambition of being what their passion is, but they don't look at something, there's an Occupational Outlook Handbook. It's updated every year and it's updated more frequently online. You can look to see if your passion is a growing or dying area of employment. You can find out if you can—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3874.0,3969.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: [speaks to somebody who enters the room] No worries. We're almost done here. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3969.0,3978.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: But it's just that Occupational Outlook Handbook will let them know that they are going to be going to college and wasting a lot of time where they should be going for something else. Yes, it's their passion and some of them will succeed, but they should be realistic in it. We also have programs how to use computers from very basic to writing code. There's even a Code Club in the young adult area, too. Let me see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=3978.0,4016.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: This is an interesting one. I don't know if you have thoughts on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4016.0,4022.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I don't think that libraries are really affected by politics. Most of the libraries that I've heard about fight back [unclear] against any dumbass politician who goes, \"We shouldn't be having these books or these programs because it's offensive to some people.\" Well, I'm sorry, I'm an atheist. Your books and Bibles offend me. No, they don't [laughter]. But if I'm running for office and I said something like that, ooh. But you can say it's wrong that they have books about bisexuality, about being gay. They have programs, we have, what is it, Drag Queen Story Hours and stuff like that. I'm sorry, not everyone is going to believe, not everyone is going to agree with everything all the time, anyway. You have to have diversity to be able to learn and see what's really going on in the entire world. Bleep politicians that try telling you what to believe and what you should do. And that is, most politicians here don't do that. Most of them [laughter]. And the ones that do, bleep 'em.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4022.0,4117.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah, I think that's a good note to end on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4117.0,4121.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: You could, and my hope for Queens Library is that they just keep expanding what they do, taking new technologies, adding to it and teaching people how to use things. Your entire life, you're going to have to learn new things, always. Even before the computer age, things always changed and you had to be aware and you had to learn, or you wind up becoming somebody who sits in a little dingy room and don't do anything. Don't complain, do something, and the library is a place that offers a lot of help.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4121.0,4168.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: A lot of branches offer a lot of programs. I did a six, five week, six week coverage in another branch, and it was a smallish one. I don't want to say small, but smallish one, and they had programs and they were filled, often. People want to learn, and if it's in your neighborhood and you're offering help, that's pretty good. I mean, not everyone can get their ass over to a community college or some locations that do offer classes. They are offered, but libraries are scattered all over Queens, 60 some odd branches. You go through Brooklyn [Brooklyn Public Library], New York Public [New York Public Library] and Queens [Queens Public Library], you're talking about 170 to 200 different locations. People have access to a lot of stuff. You can put requests to be sent in from another location.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4168.0,4236.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: In Nassau County where I live, I'm requesting a couple of books right now and a movie. No, it's a TV series, and my library doesn't have it, but it's available through the system. And even though we don't have the Culture Pass, we also have something similar to it. Different libraries in our system may offer something different, but a lot of them are shared too, and it makes your life better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4236.0,4271.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: I agree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4271.0,4272.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah. Good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4272.0,4274.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Ken. This is really fantastic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4274.0,4280.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I'm glad I entertained you. I saw you laughing a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4280.0,4282.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah. Yeah. This was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4282.0,4286.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: One of the things I loved was interacting with patrons. And I always kid around. It's just me. And one of my favorite tricks was, it worked every time with parents, almost always a kid would run ahead, and the parent would go, \"Can you help me?\" I said, \"I will if you wait your turn on line. I'm helping this person now.\" And I'd look down to the person, the little kid and go, \"Can I help you?\" He said, \"Can you help my mommy or daddy?\" I love doing that. They laugh; they feel happier. It should be a good experience here, and I just like doing that. That's one other reason I miss working at the library. I enjoy talking with people and kidding around. [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4286.0,4354.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I'm going to show you a picture. Really? Come on. Aahh, there! That's the summer I met my wife.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4354.0,4392.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: [gasps] What? Oh my God. Can we submit this with the audio?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4392.0,4398.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Would you like it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4398.0,4399.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yes. Yes, it's amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4399.0,4401.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I don't know how to send that. It's my cover picture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4401.0,4403.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Oh my God. Okay, hold on. Let's see. Save the photo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4403.0,4409.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: I once showed that picture to somebody, a kid in a young adult room when I was a young adult [librarian], and he just looks like, goes back and forth like that and goes, \"Is that your daughter?\" [laughter] I'm not joking. That is, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4409.0,4422.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Amazing. I never asked. What did your parents do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4422.0,4434.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Well, my father and his brother had a sandwich shop in the city. They had, that I remember, two locations. The last one I remember was on 28th Street and 5th Avenue. My father was going to Med School in Chicago when his father had a stroke and he had to come home. And that was the end of his education that way, and he wound up going to family business to help out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4434.0,4468.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Which was the sandwich shop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4468.0,4470.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4470.0,4470.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah. That's what his father—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4470.0,4473.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Actually, he had a place, I was told where it was, but I was never there or if I was, I was too small to remember. It was on the west side near the, where the train center is, and they had a sandwich shop, restaurant, bar [laughter]. The only one I really remember was the one on 5th Avenue and 28th Street. I worked there I think from ninth grade to senior on weekends and summertime. It was a lot of fun. I enjoyed the hell out of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4473.0,4523.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Do you know who Zero Mostel, the actor? He was amazing. He was funny as hell. He did a movie with Gene Wilder. Do you know Gene Wilder? Okay. Called The Producers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4523.0,4545.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Okay. I have heard of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4545.0,4546.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4546.0,4547.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: I've never seen it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4547.0,4548.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Okay. First off, you got to see it. You will like it. You will like it. You might even go, \"Oh my God, I can't believe I never saw this one.\" Anyway, Zero Mostel had an artist loft in the same building as my father's. And every once in a while, [unclear] would come downstairs and he sometimes had deliveries because when he'd go downstairs, usually he'd take a half hour to get out of there because everyone was like, \"Oh, Zero Mostel.\" I love your movie this. I love that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4548.0,4581.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Oh my god. I'm not sure if I should put this in there, but, okay. When you see The Producers, there's a line, The Producers is they're putting on a show about Germany during the rise of Hitler and everything like that. And there's a line from it. I used it and one of the younger [unclear] librarians never heard the line before. \"Don't be a stupid, be a smarty! Come and join the Nazi Party!\" [laughter] Okay. Yeah, okay, and like Jesse [phonetic] just turns around and goes, \"Whaaat?\" And Pat [phonetic] and I, who loved this movie, just looked at him and goes, \"You never heard of The Producers?\" He goes, \"Yeah, I've heard of it. I never saw it.\" He did see it though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4581.0,4638.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: And he liked it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4638.0,4640.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4640.0,4641.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: I'll watch it. I'm sure [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4641.0,4643.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: You have your library card?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4643.0,4646.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: With me right now? I don't think I do, but yes. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4646.0,4649.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Okay. They probably have it here in the classic section. Or you could just pay a couple of bucks and get it from Amazon Prime, whatever. But why waste your money? Be a cheap bastard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4649.0,4669.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: [laughs] Be a cheap bastard like you. All right. Well, maybe we should free up this room for the next people, but it was such a pleasure. It was really so nice. Thank you for talking with me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4669.0,4683.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: It was really good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4683.0,4685.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4685.0,4686.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kenneth Kugler: Okay. I'm glad I finally got to do this. I'm glad actually the other person didn't because I got to meet you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4686.0,4693.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306/transcript/75482/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Me too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/141338/file/261306#t=4693.0,4694.568"}]}]}]}