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All right. So I'm Victoria Fernandez. I am the 2020-2021 Freda S. and J. Chester Johnson Civil Rights and Social Justice Archives Fellow for the Queens College Library. It's always a mouthful. And I'm here with Stan, Carolyn, and Phyllis on April 21st, 2021. We are going to be recording an interview about the Student Help Project using the Zoom video platform. And this project is for the Queens College Special Collections and Archives, along with the Queens Memory Project at the Queens Public Library. And I, before we continue, I'll ask everybody else to introduce themselves. So, Stan.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=0.0,40.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Hi, I'm Stan Shaw. Class of '65, Queens College and Professor Emeritus at the University of Connecticut.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=40.0,51.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Carolyn, if you'd like to go next.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=51.0,54.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: My name is Carolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire. I was at Queens College, well I'm a graduate of the class of '66.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=54.0,66.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And Phyllis?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=66.0,68.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: My name is Phyllis Padow-Sederbaum. I graduated in 1963— excuse me. I graduated in 1965 and I'm currently going back to working on my project about my summer in Prince Edward County.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=68.0,84.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Great, thank you. And so, like we mentioned, we'll be talking today about that summer project in Virginia, down in Farmville in 1963, where a cohort of Queens College students, all three of you included, went down and prepared schools for reopening, prepared student reopening, that were shut out in massive resistance to segre— to desegregation in the sixties. And so we can start by asking a little bit about your personal backgrounds before we even get to Queens College. I'd like to know where did either one of you grow up and how would you describe your childhood neighborhood? Anyone could jump in and start.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=84.0,124.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: I'll start. I grew up in Merrick, New York. I was born out there and it was a, it was an all-white community. And what was different about it compared to maybe some other communities on Long Island is that it was one third Catholic, one third Protestant, one third Jewish. Which I think created a situation in my mind that there was a world out there compared to the way my parents were raised, which were in, both of them, in Jewish conclaves.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=124.0,169.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. And Carolyn where, where did you grow up?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=169.0,176.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: I grew up in South Carolina, Brooklyn, and Queens. My parents come from, both come from large families in South Carolina, so I have a large number of, of cousins and aunts and uncles and all. They brought me to New York when I was quite young. And so my schooling was all in New York, New York City.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=176.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Sure. And so at what age did you come to New York?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=211.0,214.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: I was very young. I was just under five and I started kindergarten here in New York, in Brooklyn, New York. We were in the Downtown area of Brooklyn on the south side of Fort Greene Park. And I had lots of friends in the neighborhood, but in school I had more of a mixture of friends because as you know, the segregation of communities in New York is quite real. And our neighborhood was, and our block was really a Black block.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=214.0,253.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: And then my parents later on, they bought this house. But the house that I was in as a youngster— matter of fact, they had to buy it on a contract because they couldn't get a bank mortgage. My father was a World War II veteran of the Air Force, but he could not get a GI mortgage so they had a contract. The person who held the mortgage expected them to fail on, on the mortgage so that he would take it back and he would have both, the house and the mort— and the money that they had put in, but luckily they were able to manage to pay it off. Later my father and his brothers, my uncles, built a home for us in Addisleigh Park in Queens.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=253.0,319.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: It's in the St. Albans section of Queens. I come from a working class family, but they aspired to have another home and we moved to Queens when I was in high school. So I went to Andrew Jackson High School, which was mixed when I started, but was changing rapidly as people were fleeing Queens, whites were fleeing Queens for Long Island, for places in the Five Towns or further out. And so the neighborhood— but the neighborhood we were in, Addisleigh Park, was a very middle-class section of Black people.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=319.0,369.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. Thank you. And the both of you mentioned your parents and I'd like to ask a little bit more about, about their views. Were they particularly aware of the Civil Rights Movement, of racial injustice? Did they talk about that at home? Maybe— are there any political views that they shared with you while you were growing up that might've influenced you in your household?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=369.0,398.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: My parents were Democrats. I think they were also, they were people who were very afraid to step out in any shape way or form. I, we, we all grew up in the fifties, which was marred by the McCarthy hearings, and it was a whole McCarthy era and so people were very afraid of that escalating. So there was nothing in terms of my parents having an influence on my activities. But I was exposed to a different world when I joined the National Conference of Christian and Jews [NCCJ] and that, that was probably the beginning of my political education.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=398.0,456.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=456.0,460.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: And I, must've been very aware, though, of the whole issue of, of a civil, what was happening down South because in 1957, when I was fourteen years old, I clipped a political cartoon in which you had two people flying in different directions or sort of like a baby with a sash, and one said \"Never-never integrate\" and that was Faubus. And the other one said \"Never-never recognize China\" or \"Red China.\" [Political cartoon called \"Never-Never Land\" by Long published in the Minneapolis Tribune in 1957.] And I clipped that and it's sitting in my apartment down in White Plains and had saved it, you know, all these years. So something must've been happening and it could have been my brother, who I can remember watching some of the McCarthy hearings on TV, not knowing really what was going on. So he very well could have been an influence.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=460.0,520.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And your brother, is to say that he was older. Was he older?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=520.0,524.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Four and a half years older than I was.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=524.0,528.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: All right. And Carolyn?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=528.0,531.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: My parents were extremely aware of issues of segregation, both in South Carolina and here in New York. I mean, it was a factor of our lives. We knew, we knew that there were certain limitations on places we could go in South Carolina in particular. We used to take— we took a lot of summer trips back to South Carolina after school closed driving and the problems we had driving and stopping and where we could stop. And then, of course, in South Carolina, we certainly knew where we could go because the signs were up. It was quite clear. And in New York, the problem was that the signs weren't u., It was just the behavior of people. So it was a little different. So my parents were very aware. They had to be for their own protection and for the protection of my brother and I.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=531.0,605.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And did they did they sort of tell that to you? Did they precondition you to— when you came to New York, I'm thinking more of when, you know, racism is like under the table and it's not as visible. Did they have to kind of explain to you what the difference was, or it was just like a learned experience?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=605.0,627.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: I think it was, it was both. They told us and some things we just learned as we went along as young people, as children. There are, you know, a few crazy things I do remember as a child that kind of confronted things. I remember when one of our teachers asked us, it was a discussion on the Civil War and slavery in elementary school. And he asked— Mr. Nussbaum, that was his name. He asked us a question, the whole class, asked us a question about how, why, why slaves, why it was so difficult for enslaved people to run away and to disappear. And we answered all kinds of things about why, but nobody said it was because our color defined us. And it took a while before and he chimed in to tell us that. And it was like, you know, we were young, young enough not to really see things in those terms. And it was, you know, just a very little bit later as parents kind of intervened and made sure that people knew where they belonged.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=627.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: My parents were members of the NAACP and I was a member of the youth group. So, you know, we were aware of the things the NAACP was dealing with, we knew about housing segregation, we knew about school segregation. In New York, I'm talking about. I'm not talking about South Carolina, that's a whole other story. But we had to be aware. My, my brother was caught up in the busing situation, you know. He was bused out to Bay Ridge to a school. It was— I felt for him because he had terrible situations with people yelling at the young kids as they got off the buses, throwing things at the buses. It was awful. Plus, just the sheer— he had to get up extra early to get on the bus, to go out there and be harassed. So it was rough. It was very rough for him.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=720.0,789.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. And similarly to that question, did religion play any particular like impact in your households?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=789.0,803.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Not in my family. We were— I dubbed us high-holiday Jews and I knew that it was, you knew it was a high holiday cause my mother would make this wonderful, delicious chicken soup, which she wouldn't do any other time. My brother was bar mitzvah'd, but I ended up going to Sunday school and hating it because it was so, everything was so poorly taught. And yet the person who headed up the chapter of the N double— not the NAACP. National Conference of Christian— NCCJ, happened to be a very active temple member. And so I just assumed that, that meant that people were liberal, and that was not really the case. So I would say religion had absolutely no, no bearing on any subsequent political and social views.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=803.0,867.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. Carolyn?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=867.0,872.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Well, my parents attended church and so did we. I was a member of a Sunday school. I went to Sunday school. And we had— I don't know if you remember, we had those Wednesdays, you got out of school early for [crosstalk]—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=872.0,890.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Catechism.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=890.0,890.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: There's a name for it. I can't remember.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=890.0,893.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Catechism.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=893.0,893.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: It wasn't catechism. There was another name that covered all of the religions and I can't think of it right now. But we got out of school early and I attended something called Jubilee, which was a group, an organization more of a— they were a Christian proselytizing organization for young people. And we, we attended every Wednesday afternoon. We went straight from school to Jubilee, and then onto, on home after that. Also the, the churches were used as a building for a lot of the meetings that went on about issues in our community and issues of segregation and discrimination.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=893.0,949.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: That, that, I think that leads me to my next question. And I want to apologize that a lot of them seem a little obvious. But could you think, or if you'd like to share any instance or anecdote that you had while growing up in New York City where you did witness social injustice, whether it was against yourself, or you witnessed it towards a friend or an outsider or anybody, that might have motivated you to become an agent of social change or recognize that there should be some motivation in yourself to, to engage in social change?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=949.0,986.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: What was first part of your question?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=986.0,986.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: I don't think that growing up at that time [crosstalk]—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=986.0,991.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Sorry. Carolyn just asked me to repeat the first part. I said, if you can share, if you'd like to share any anecdote where you experienced or witnessed social injustice living in New York City. That was the first half.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=991.0,1006.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: I'm sorry, Phyllis. Go ahead.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1006.0,1008.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Out in Merrick, I didn't experience or witness any social injustice at all. But I think a series of events in my life kind of began to, I began to question the way things were, but it really didn't have to do anything with the issues of segregation and integration. Rather, I think that the experience of having belonged to the NCCJ, I realized— I keep on using the words, you know, my world felt like it was opening up a little bit, but I didn't know what it was opening up to. And then there were just these funny, these odd little incidents in my life that had nothing to do with any larger social issue, rather it was something very small.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1008.0,1068.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: And that is the same man who was our advisor for the NCCJ group was also the advisor for a youth organization of Jewish youth. And my particular group was a group of kids who had lots and lots of Christian friends. And we never went to the other Jewish groups, other temple groups, to their social events. So we were pretty isolated and I raised my hand one day in, in the session when Mr. Levine asked us, is there any ideas of how we could attract people to our particular events. We wanted to have a dance, I don't remember what else we wanted to do. And I raised my hand thinking that, okay, he, he, he's also the leader of the NCCJ group. Gee, why don't we just open it up to our friends here in town? Well, he was horrified because that meant inviting Gentile kids to a temple event, a youth. Not only was— but I didn't know that he was horrified.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1068.0,1142.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: He just said, \"Well, I'm not sure we can do that.\" But he happened to see my mother in town and he buttonholed my mother and said, \"You know, your daughter has these ideas,\" and such and such and such and such. And my mother who was not known for really supporting my efforts, like going and belonging to NCCJ, said, \"I agree entirely with her.\" And she was truly afraid that her daughter, at some point might in fact, you know, start dating guys who weren't Jewish. And I think that, that, that was a— there was a bit of dissonance for me. The, I said, wait a second, this man is advocating on one hand that we befriend people from other communities who are different religions, different people of color, although we didn't use the word \"of color\" in those days. And yet in this other setting, he's closing down our world.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1142.0,1202.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: And I think that that began to, that was the beginning of my questioning of where exactly, where do I belong and what do I want to do? And up until that time, I also had been a sorority girl and decided that when I went to college, I was not going to have anything more to do with social clubs. That it was pretty, that was a pretty inane— not inane, but it was a, it was a very, it was another activity that was very closing off of opportunities and the ability to make friends and socialize with other people. So it came from a very small, small thing rather than ever seen any instances of social injustice. I mean, we saw a lot of stuff on TV but nothing, nothing locally.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1202.0,1267.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. Thank you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1267.0,1275.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Carolyn?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1275.0,1278.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: I think— I can't say there was any one event. It was just there were so many things that happened growing up. It, it, it was just a continuation. It wasn't a one event changed me or whatever. I, I know my parents always made us— we always knew we were going to continue in school. We always knew we were going to go to college and we always knew we were going to have challenges. And so it was just a continuation of growing up. It's funny what Phyllis said about the sororities. I felt that way too about not joining and getting closed up and whatever in some of those organizations. That's, that's true. I hadn't thought about it that way. You reminded me of it. But, and most of my close friends were Black also, so that made it easier, which is just what our lives were.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1278.0,1357.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. And—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1357.0,1358.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: We were used to, as young people, we knew, we kind of looked out for each other. We'd go into some of the stores and, you know, be followed around and whatever. And, you know, so we would kind of say to each other, yeah, there's someone over there watching us. I mean, we were just shopping or going to buy candy or going to buy school supplies or whatever, but we were aware that it was going on. And I remember my mother saying, \"Yes, you're going to have to be used to that. Just be careful that you don't give them any reason to think you are stealing anything.\"\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1358.0,1404.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. Thank you. And so we can transition a little bit more towards Queens College. I think your conversations are leading up to that point. What made you enroll in Queens College? Why was Queens College, your, your choice of university?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1404.0,1422.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Queens College was on the bottom of my list. [Laughter]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1422.0,1427.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Maybe not first choice at all.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1427.0,1429.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: And I assumed that everybody hated Queens College and I didn't make many friends that way. And I just didn't have, I didn't have any money. The deal was is if I got a full scholarship to someplace, then they would say, go ahead. And then the other thing was, if I got into Barnard, they would find a way to help me out. But I got on the waiting list so we didn't have to cross that bridge. I was the first girl in my family to go to college. My cousins and I were the first people in my col— to go to college. And in those days, if there was a little bit of money, the sons went away and the daughters stayed home, which needless to say I was livid about. So I was not happy going Queens College. There were days when I would go to school and I would be in tears.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1429.0,1493.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And so— Oh, I was going to say, did you get a full scholarship. But Queens was free at that time. Yeah, I always have to remind myself.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1493.0,1501.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Twenty-four dollars a semester in student fees. And then I had, I had a regents scholarship for two hundred and fifty dollars a semester and so I just banked that. But I, I was, I was not a happy camper. And my, my parents were not supportive of my going to college, especially my father.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1501.0,1527.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And is that because you're a woman going to college or— okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1527.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Yeah, yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1530.0,1531.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: All right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1531.0,1532.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: It was very difficult. But then I met some great people and if I hadn't gone to Queens College, I never would have become part of the Student Help Project, which was, I would say, the best thing that ever happened to me in those four years.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1532.0,1547.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Carolyn?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1547.0,1550.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Well [laughter], I, I wanted to go away to school. I mean, I always knew I was going to college. It was a matter of where. I, I wanted to go away and I really wanted to go to one of the historically Black schools. But I did apply to other schools and I got partial scholarships. My father said, \"I'm a taxpayer here in New York City. Queens College is paid for by my taxes, and that's where you should go.\"\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1550.0,1588.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: I didn't like it because I had to stay home in order to do it, which meant I also had to continue with all of my housework as if— which I didn't want to do. But it was also that I didn't want to go to Queens College because there were very few Black students there full-time. Now, you remember, there was a difference for admission. I got in because I had the grades and it wasn't a problem. And I was in the day time. And you remember there was a difference between daytime and evening students, and it was very clearly delineated. And out of the thousands of students on the daytime schedule, I guess there were maybe thirty Black students altogether.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1588.0,1645.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Yeah. I would agree.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1645.0,1646.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: If that many.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1646.0,1647.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: I didn't think it was that many.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1647.0,1651.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Across all four years, you know, for four years. And so I wasn't anxious to go there. Not that I didn't think, you know, educationally, there were positives in terms of the academic structure. But the social side of it, I just did not see as being fun. And it wasn't.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1651.0,1676.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: So Carolyn going from Andrew Jackson where something like half the students were Black to Queens College was a concern of yours?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1676.0,1689.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Well, Andrew Jack— Jackson was the high school for our district. So I had no choice in that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1689.0,1697.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1697.0,1699.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: And that w— and Andrew Jackson was changing constantly and quickly because white people were moving out of the area. They were leaving Queens, that area of Queens, and moving over to the Bayside area and out on the island.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1699.0,1716.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Right. Okay. What was the civil ri—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1716.0,1723.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Even so, that, that was just something that wasn't going to happen. I'm sorry.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1723.0,1727.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Given the— it was largely white campus at that point, Queens College was. What was the climate in terms of civil rights and social justice at that point in time?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1727.0,1741.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: I'm sorry. Say that again.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1741.0,1743.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: What was the climate at Queens College regarding civil rights and social justice?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1743.0,1750.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Well, there wasn't much going on. It was really rather quiet in those terms. You had your fraternity, sorority people and your houseplan people who, you know, theirs was a social issues, not, not justice issues.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1750.0,1774.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1774.0,1774.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: I think a lot of that came along a little later with the Vietnam War protests, that— the peace protests happened a little later. But in terms of civil rights, there wasn't much. My civil rights activities were off-campus with the CORE [Congress of Racial Equality] and the local NAACP in Jamaica, and with the justice forums out of my church. Not at Queens College.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1774.0,1815.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: But as I recollect, I think I was president of the NAACP/CORE chapter on campus and you became president after me. Is that correct? 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Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1836.0,1839.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Oh, okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1839.0,1843.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: The— what was going on in campus when in my freshman year, so that would have been in 1961, '62, had nothing to do with social justice, but rather there were groups of people who were pro unilateral disarmament. And I remember going on, on a peace march down to Washington DC. I don't remember what group was sponsoring it. And then the other big thing was there was protest against the Speaker Ban policy that had been instituted at Queens. And so that's where— I was not involved in any organization, but I would participate in protests on campus. And but a lot— there was an overlap, I think, between the kids who were anti-war and the kids who were, like Stan was, NAACP/CORE.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1843.0,1912.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: And I'm positive, Stan, that somewhere in that either my freshman or the very beginning of my sophomore year is when I met you and, and Mike. So I knew I knew who you were. And then a whole bunch of us used to eat in the Little Cafeteria in the old, in the old— I don't remember even what the name of the building was anymore. 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And then the other thing that I remember from those days too, was I think was on Wednesdays but I'm not sure, there was a timeframe in which people could go to their clubs.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1953.0,1968.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1968.0,1968.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: And so I think, so I think that there's something about that in which again, people had an opportunity to meet one another. 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I think the Big Caf had the ladies who would make sure that you were properly dressed, where nobody patrolled the Little Caf. And I had gotten kicked out of the Big Caf one time because I wore pants to school. Because there was, there, there was— Victoria, there was a dress code.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=1991.0,2012.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Yeah, she's heard this before.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2012.0,2013.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah, some other people have spoken about it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2013.0,2015.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: And so I rolled up my pants, but this nosy lady caught me. 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What motivated you to go, Carolyn?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2024.0,2039.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Well, I saw it as an opportunity to do something that would be helpful to young people who were not in school. I had reservations about it for several reasons. But I also was not, I was really not welcome in the beginning either. And that is because—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2039.0,2074.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Really?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2074.0,2074.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Oh, wow.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2074.0,2074.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: When I wanted to go, our, our the students who were leading it, as well as the professors told me that I was too young. I was only a year younger, but I was too young. And I kept thinking, what are you talking about? I've been Black all my life, dealing with these issues. And it, it was so ridiculous.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2074.0,2101.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Oh, that's so weird too because Debby Yaffe was younger than you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2101.0,2103.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: I've wondered— Yeah, and I've wondered about other, you know, because one of the things you used to hear a little after the project was, why would they know Black students involved? First of all, there were so few Black students on campus, number one. And secondly, I'm wondering if they were discouraged in some way.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2103.0,2122.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Maybe. Interesting.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2122.0,2125.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: But there was also the, the other side which I want to mention in terms of my reservations was I knew that my life was in more danger being with a group of white students than it would be if I went down there as a Black student by myself, or with a Black group to work in Prince Edward County. I had more going against me as an isolated Black person with the group.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2125.0,2154.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2154.0,2157.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: And there were other students on campus that I asked about why, you know, would they consider going? And that was some of their reservations as well, being with white students in a little Southern town put their lives more in danger. And they also felt that they wouldn't be protected.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2157.0,2185.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Right. But you had some real appropriate, serious concerns and yet you decided to go.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2185.0,2195.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Yeah. My parents also had concerns about my going, but, you know, they were not going to stop me. They weren't going to even try to stop me if I wanted to do it. They did, you know, talk to me about the dangers because they were real and we knew them.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2195.0,2212.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2212.0,2212.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: And also because I certainly knew them from South Carolina. And I also knew that for the people in Prince Edward, our being there was also an issue because they could, you know, if you're known to consort with these radicals from outside, you could end up dead or you're, you certainly could end up unemployed or harassed in other ways. Because, you know, the white citizens councils run those little towns and they make sure that you pay for any transgressions.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2212.0,2258.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: The other side, on the other side with QC, the other Black students were saying, well, you know, we've got enough issues to work on right here at QC. And many of them were concerned about issues of discrimination and whatnot, and were doing other things in the communities in Queens. So— in, in the places where they lived, so they were busy doing things.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2258.0,2289.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2289.0,2289.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: And also because summer for most of us was the time that we worked. I worked in the summers, ordinarily.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2289.0,2299.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: As did I.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2299.0,2299.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: And I worked part time while in school, anyway. So making that sacrifice to go down there, you know, meant not having the income that you used during the coming school year. So there were a lot of issues for students, but I think the biggest thing of course, was that there were so few Black students at Queens College. And they said we have enough to deal with right here in Queens.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2299.0,2326.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Phyllis, how about you? Why did— what made you go and how'd your parents feel about it?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2326.0,2333.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Very similar to Carolyn. I wanted to do something that in fact might make a difference and joined up. Also, I know that we had to tutor in order— in, in Queens in order to qualify to go to Prince Edward County. But I wanted, I thought at that time also that I might want to become a teacher and ended up— and I wanted to do something that had some meaning. That was the other thing that, that was that was something of import to me. My parents were very much against it. And I can remember my mother attending one of the meetings for parents that the, the Prince Edward group had had. And I think it was at Barbara Lord's mother's apartment that, that occurred. My mother only wanted to know where I was going to do my laundry.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2333.0,2397.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: That was the way she expressed her anxieties. And my father would say things like, \"I don't want to sacrifice a child for any reason,\" which I remember arguing with him, but I don't remember what I said. And this was a very radical departure for someone in a family to go and do something like this. And they got used to the idea a little bit because when I tutored in the Springfield Methodist Church, the night before I used to stay over at my aunt's house, my aunt and uncle's house on Mentone Avenue in Laurelton. They lived in the south part of Laurelton where they had their backyard backed up to the Long Island Railroad tracks. And so I used to walk, I used to walk to my tutoring session. I have pictures by the way from the— I think I must've tutored for about five, a total of five semesters. I mean, I— so anyway, so I wanted to, I wanted to be able to do something that, I'm repeating myself, something that had meaning.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2397.0,2480.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Okay. How important were Dr. Rachel Weddington and Reverend Griffin to the success of the project from your perspective? Carolyn?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2480.0,2495.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Oh, I didn't think it would have happened without them. My understanding was it was Dr. Weddington's relationship with Dr. Griffin and the community there that made this happen.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2495.0,2515.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2515.0,2515.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2515.0,2517.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: I would agree.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2517.0,2519.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Otherwise it just wouldn't have happened.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2519.0,2522.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Yeah. But alright, besides it happening, particularly Dr. Weddington, was that, her presence meaningful, particularly meaningful to you?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2522.0,2536.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Yes, definitely. She was a very caring person as well. And so, you know, she sought to try to make— I know, I, she decided to make me feel very comfortable about making the trip and being away in a small town where I didn't know anyone, no resources other than the other students there. So, yeah. She was, she was instrumental. And we continued— I kept in touch with her, you know. And I, and I must say I didn't keep in touch with people after I left Queens. 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I think that without Rachel and the Reverend, this never would have happened and that Rachel, I think, was very instrumental in teaching us white students what it meant to be in a Black community, in a small rural town. And that she— I, I just remember Rachel's guiding. I think of Rachel as having a guiding hand. I don't remember anything in particular that she said, but that she made it very clear to us that we were there to help. We were not there to— and we were there at the behest of Reverend Griffin and the Black community that he represented. And that—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2593.0,2658.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Excuse me just a moment.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2658.0,2663.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Go ahead, Carol— go ahead, Phyllis.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2663.0,2665.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: And one of the things that when people would interview us and she would line up and we'd take turns being interviewed. And I can remember the CBS Radio interviewer asking me if we had saved the children in this community. And in those days they didn't know anything about the word, like framing, your questions can frame the answers. And I just wouldn't answer this guy, but I didn't, but I didn't know how to refute him to say, you've got to ask your question differently. Where— we, we're doing our best to help, but we surely didn't save anybody because nobody was in need of being saved. So—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2665.0,2718.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Sorry.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2718.0,2718.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Caroline, I just was repeating failing at a CBS interview. Rachel had really primed us, as the white students, that we weren't going to Farmville to save anybody. We were going to be helping run a tutoring program. And I just said that nobody needed saving. That was, that, that was like— but, but the press would always frame their questions that way. And I can remember seeing a headline in the Long Island Press, you know, \"They got there just in time,\" or something like that. And that was just, you know, that was like, that was just a pile of hooey. And that the other thing that was happen— there was a lot happening in Prince Edward County the summer that we were there. We were just one piece of this enormous, enormous change that was happening.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2718.0,2788.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Yes, I, I think you're correct about that. And that's why I, I find it kind of amazing when I hear white students talk about how this was such a big deal to them. This was, there was so much going on, we were— I can understand personally, it might be a big deal, but it was such a small deal in terms of everything that was happening to Prince Edward County. And certainly our participation had to be helpful, but it wasn't, it wasn't a big deal.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2788.0,2834.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Right. I think our participation may have helped keep a spotlight on Prince Edward County. The New York Times was there, Herald Tribune was there, CBS News was there. Because one of the things, Victoria, that happened that summer was that the schools were going to reopen under the private schools [CORRECTION: The schools were trying to reopen under the aegis of the Free School Association]. And there is a picture that appeared on the front page of the New York Times and Reverend Griffin was in it. [CORRECTION: The announcement appeared in many newspapers, including the front page of the New York Times on August 15, 1963.] The, I think the governor— I have, I'd have to look it up. But that was a major thing that was occurring. And then there was all the protests against segregated facilities in town.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2834.0,2881.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2881.0,2881.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: And what else was there? There was something, there was something else. And so, yeah. Yeah. And that's, by the way, one of the troubles I'm having with my memoir is how do we fit in, how do I tell the story of what we did from my point of view cause I'm not going to speak for anybody else, but it's happening in the context of all these other things that were going on.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2881.0,2908.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Phyllis, how, how did you feel about the expectation of dealing with, living in the Black community, living in Black homes? How was that for you as you, as you went into that experience?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2908.0,2923.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Okay, so there were two things that going on. I had never been away from home. The furthest I ever got away from home was sleeping at my aunt and uncles up in the Bronx. And so I was very excited about going. I didn't know quite what to expect. This was going to be very different from just tutoring on Saturday mornings for two and a half hours. And so I was very concerned about being prepared for classes. I didn't have any apprehensions about living with a Black family at all. In an odd way, I thought they could protect me. I mean, I was twenty years old, but I had utter faith in living with, whoever I was going to be assigned to, I had complete faith that this was going to be something very good. And it was.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2923.0,2994.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Carolyn, how prepared were you for the Prince Edward County experience? I know you had— you're Black, you have experience in the South, but it was a different experience. And also the teaching part. What— were you prepared?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=2994.0,3012.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: I, I didn't have, of course, any fear about living in Prince Edward County from the point of view of, of the segregation situation and all of that. But I did know that it could be very dangerous and we did have some incidents that— I can't even remember the name of the woman whose house I stayed in.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3012.0,3040.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Mrs. Parker.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3040.0,3040.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Mrs. Parker, yes. I was afraid for her too. But you know, it's the same, you know, you want to feel comfortable in someone else's home and not to put them out in any way. And she was really very gracious and very warm toward us, so that part wasn't a problem. But we did have incidents of having people walking around our, the house at night. Do you remember that, Phyllis? Yeah, they— and it, it was people who would come and they would just, they would creep around to make us feel uncomfortable. We knew and we didn't have any weapons or anything if they wanted to break in. So that was very uncomfortable, but it made me also fearful for Mrs. Parker because I was thinking of what's going to happen to her once the, we, we leave. Not, not just— not that we were protecting, but at least while there was a spotlight on her and her home. And so I was afraid for that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3040.0,3124.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: In terms of— I'm sorry. The second part of your question was?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3124.0,3133.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: The teaching.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3133.0,3133.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Oh, the teaching, yes. I felt totally, I felt very unprepared. I had, I had nine and ten year olds in my class who had not been in school at all. So, you know, it was, it just hurt to see this. It, it hurt to have them in my class. They were eager and willing and, you know, I did what I could, but it was, I just felt very unprepared for that. How to, how to be helpful, what was the best way to be helpful? And then, of course, the heat. I don't know if you felt that way, Phyllis, but it was so hard to be in these little hot rooms, the children, keeping their attention just because it was so hot and uncomfortable. I don't know [unclear]. I don't know any teacher that can be prepared for that, though.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3133.0,3208.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3208.0,3208.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Good point.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3208.0,3209.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: I'd agree with Carolyn. I felt very unprepared and I can remember in the afternoons, I would go back to the Reed's and I would pre— take the whole afternoon preparing. And needless to say, my pedagogical skills were not really up there. And, and the heat. There wa— in my letters home, I we— there was a heat wave.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3209.0,3241.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: All summer.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3241.0,3241.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: I don't know the whole summer, but there was one week in which it went up to ninety-seven. So maybe it cooled down to ninety in the, in the non-heat wave week. And it was very, very uncomfortable. One of the things that happened, I didn't— I think a lot of the people we were staying with were retired so that nobody could come along and take away their jobs. And I got, my, my sense of where safety lie was changed. I was scared of white people when I was in Farmville.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3241.0,3282.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3282.0,3282.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: That I didn't trust anybody other than the UFT teachers and us. And I can remember going back to visit Sheila Hartman and— you, Stan, you were on this trip. That I was at Sheila's, the place where Sheila was staying and somebody knocks on the door and I open it up. This was in January of '62. And there's this guy, as far as I'm concerned, he's a white guy. And I just didn't know what to do. I was not inviting this guy in the house and called her roommates over to say, \"Oh, there's somebody here asking for so-and-so.\" And it turned out, I think there were two older ladies— I've forgotten their names, I think Lenny stayed with them. It was their nephew.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3282.0,3339.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: The McKnight's.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3339.0,3339.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Yes. Mrs.— Ms. One of them— the McKnight sisters. Yes. So yeah, it, it was, it was very interesting— I don't know if Interesting, but it was a surprising change for me that white people posed a danger.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3339.0,3359.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Carolyn, we've often talked about in these previous interviews how us white folks went to P— Prince Edward and suddenly, we were fearful of whites and totally comfortable with Black people. Did you find that amusing?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3359.0,3384.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: I don't know if amusing is the word I would use. I think of it in reverse. Why weren't you comfortable with Black people in New York?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3384.0,3397.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Interesting.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3397.0,3397.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Why, why weren't you comfortable with us as Black students on campus? Because there was some of that too. 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Good points.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3445.0,3447.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: And those were the thoughts I had at the time. 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Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3589.0,3592.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Maryland.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3592.0,3592.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Maryland. That was in, in Maryland on Route 40. Between Baltimore and Washington. 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There was another [crosstalk]—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3609.0,3609.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Kind of like New Jersey was.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3609.0,3612.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3612.0,3612.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: And Delaware.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3612.0,3614.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Yup. There was another incident that involved you and Debbie, and I don't remember who else. 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No.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3746.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Oh my god.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3750.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: I can't believe it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3750.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Well, when it first happened, you know, when it first, when the first time I was called tokey it was okay, I can go along with a joke. 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Tokey for token.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3772.0,3776.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: And our people in our group said that?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3776.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Yes. I, I— see, you don't remember it, but I remember it very clearly.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3780.0,3786.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: I can imagine. Wow.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3786.0,3788.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: I do have a similar question to ask you. I wrote it down and I remembered it just now. When I was speaking with Debbie she said, if you can ask Carolyn. Do you remember an incident that happened when you went with Dr. Weddington to buy a bathing suit? She says, she says, \"Obviously I don't, but maybe Carolyn will.\" I have it in my notes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3788.0,3813.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: To buy a bathing suit? No, I don't remember going to buy a bathing suit.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3813.0,3818.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Cause obviously there's pictures of you all at the lake. And I think that's where we got to talking, yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3818.0,3827.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: No, I don't remember. 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I felt very— I had done demonstrations here in New York. I mean I had been involved in protests here in New York. 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Initially, we were asked not to participate in any demonstrations if in fact there were demonstrations, because they wanted, Reverend Griffin wanted to make sure that we were seen as an educational project. And that it was when the word went out that we would be left alone if basically reminded our own business. But I don't remember when the go ahead was given. I think by the end of July, because I think the picture that you appeared in was taken toward the end of July, Carolyn.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3916.0,3963.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Do either of you—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3963.0,3963.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Oh, okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=3963.0,3963.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Do you do either of you recall in the height of the demonstrations, there was a rally or church service at Reverend Griffin's church one evening for the parents of dozens of kids who had gotten arrested that day? And Dr. Griffin, in surprising form, gave a hell-and-brimstone kind of speech, rallied the whole group, and we all marched. The entire contents of the church, including the Queens College contingent, marched down Main Street. 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Yup. Again, it's been a long time. Coming toward the end now, just trying to wrap things up in terms of what this experience meant to you. So was the Prince Edward County experience particularly empowering you? Did you learn some skills that you used later on? What's your take personally from that experience? Carolyn?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4065.0,4111.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: I, I was glad that I'd went. I was sorry that I didn't feel I could do more for the young children I had in my classes because I'm sure that for some of them, their educational growth was stunted so terribly. So, you know, that, that stayed with me after leaving. 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You know, segregation and civil rights, and peace, and, you know, there are plenty of things to, to worry about. So that, that was— it was not a big deal in, and I don't mean to diminish it by saying big deal. That's not, that's not the right word.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4158.0,4188.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: It was, it was in large context of activities you had. And experiences.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4188.0,4194.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Within the context of all of those, it's a smaller thing. And, you know, and at the same time there were so many other things going on.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4194.0,4204.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Right. How about you, Phyllis?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4204.0,4207.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: What was the question again? I'm sorry. The impact?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4207.0,4210.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: What was the impact of this experience on you? On, on empowering you, on giving you skills to use later on?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4210.0,4221.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: I think that going to Prince Edward County was one of the more, the most important things that I had done in my young adult life. And yet, I was in some ways, very reticent to talk about it when I was active in doing, going to demonstrations and stuff when I was in graduate school. But I didn't really— people wanted you to establish your \"rep.\" And I was very hesitant to say, \"Well, I went to Prince Edward County and I did the X, Y, and Z.\" And that, that would become just a biographical note and that so— I was, I was quiet about it and I was quiet about with whom I shared my experiences. And because I felt like people weren't really interested in what was going on in Prince Edward County. And I just didn't want to, I just didn't want it to become this, like, label. And that was very, that was happening a lot in the anti-war movement as you, you know, proved your cred. And so, but I would say that my life was not the same afterwards. I was extremely aware of when people basically had very prejudicial attitudes and I didn't know quite what to do. But it was like my eyes and ears were different.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4221.0,4341.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: There was— I can understand that. There was also, we haven't talked at all about the UFT group that was there at the same time.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4341.0,4351.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: That's right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4351.0,4352.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4352.0,4354.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Because I got to know some of them from that time and later followed through with them after we left Prince Edward County. I went on to grad school full-time at Columbia in the School of Social Work because I wanted to do planning and community organization. And I had, I continued my association with them, with in particular, Dr. Carpenter, Edward Carpenter, because of his running of the Har-U [Harlem Prepatory High School], some of the Har-U programs. And— oh, there was another one that the name escapes me right now. But I've worked with young people in a community center and educational program on a 113th and 114th Street. It was an experimental project to do rehab of housing and work with the community at the same time, while not taking people out of the community. And it was interesting to me to see how government manipulated people socially.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4354.0,4455.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4455.0,4456.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: But I wouldn't have been involved in that as directly if it hadn't been for meeting some of the UFT people and having a continued relationship.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4456.0,4469.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Good.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4469.0,4469.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: And also with Ruby Nottage. We served on the board of the YWCA here in Brooklyn together. Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4469.0,4483.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Let me share one thought with you. I agree with your comments that we had limited skills and may have not helped our kids that much in terms of what we taught them. But I think the, the placement of our summer, right before schools opened, was serendipitous and very, very important so that the kids got weeks and weeks of going to school, of listening to a teacher, of listening sometimes to a white teacher, which was going to happen as the schools opened in September. And I think we probably did a lot more good than we realized because of that happening in September.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4483.0,4536.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Hmm, I think that's true. I think what I was referring to is that, you know, we had such a— six weeks is a short time in a child's educational life. And I, I just felt that there was, there was so much that was needed, so much. And so that's, it's from that point of view that I'm saying, I felt inadequate.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4536.0,4560.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: On an encouraging note, you, you've met three of my students when we went back in 2009 and they were high school students who had missed out on their entire high school experience. And yet they worked out pretty well. They had good lives. That was encouraging.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4560.0,4580.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Yes, that's good to hear.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4580.0,4583.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: I wonder if when— and I don't know how Rachel got in touch with Reverend Griffin, if he also saw that— I'm making this up, okay. I'm wondering if he saw this as an opportunity, our coming to, inviting us to come to Virginia, was an opportunity to help children get used to the whole school routine. Because this effort of opening up the Free School Association I know was being planned as far, as far back as March, February or March of sixty— '63. I would have to go back and read Brian Lee's dissertation to see if I could find that or just write him and ask him. That I don't think that that plan just got underway in the beginning of, of, of July. I was going to also— Pardon?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4583.0,4649.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: It did not.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4649.0,4651.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: No.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4651.0,4651.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: And I think you're— I, I see Reverend Griffin as just laidback Southern puppeteer, who had everything worked out. [CORRECTION: Reverend Griffin sacrificed much for the work he did in Prince Edward Country and spoke in a measured way - not so much \"laid-back.\"]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4651.0,4662.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4662.0,4663.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: The demonstrations, UFT, us, and school starting. He had a plan.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4663.0,4668.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4668.0,4669.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Yes. I think you're correct about that. And also I think that he was putting different pieces together so that Prince Edward County was not forgotten about in any way.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4669.0,4680.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4680.0,4681.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4681.0,4682.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: And he knew how to utilize publicity. And of course, it helped it help them. Even if the schools were going to open again, it, they needed to keep publicity on the situation. Cause this country is very good at forgetting about things they don't want to face.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4682.0,4701.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: That's right. And, and it was an— and that was the next step for their going back to court in 1964 to ope— reopen the public schools.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4701.0,4712.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Yup.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4712.0,4713.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: I'm just going to make one more comment about Mrs. Parker's house. We used to have our meetings there every Sunday.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4713.0,4723.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: That's right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4723.0,4723.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: So that there are two things. I think that she was closer to town than where we were staying. We were staying— I mean, it was only half a mile away, the Reed's place, but there weren't a whole lot of houses around. And if there was activity going on at her house over and above housing for people from the North.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4723.0,4747.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: Yeah. I think we, we were, we could walk to town from her house, yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4747.0,4752.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4752.0,4754.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nCarolyn Hubbard-Kamunanwire: That made a difference too, yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4754.0,4757.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: You guys have been great. Really appreciate it. Any last comments for the record?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4757.0,4764.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: No, but I have a question to ask Victoria.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4764.0,4770.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: We can, we can do that when I pause, like when I finish the recording, yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4770.0,4774.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Okay. Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4774.0,4776.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Anything else for the record?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4776.0,4778.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nPhyllis Padow-Sederbaum: Nope,\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4778.0,4779.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Victoria?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4779.0,4781.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Nope, I don't have anything.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4781.0,4781.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nStan Shaw: Take it home.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4781.0,4781.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764/transcript/31807/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: All good. Alright, so I'll stop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46622/file/119764#t=4781.0,4787.2"}]}]}]}