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Lyn\u0026rsquo;s husband, Forbes Hill \u0026ndash; who she met while a student at Queens -- taught there full-time from 1964 to 2003, and continued to teach as an adjunct until his passing in 2008. In addition, the Hill family has established three scholarship funds at Queens to honor both Forbes Hill and Lyn\u0026rsquo;s mother.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eSince her retirement, Lyn Hill has been very active in volunteer activities, especially mentoring people who are starting small businesses or non-profits with the organization SCORE. 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OK. OK. So this is Fran Kipnis and today is May 24th, 2024, and I'm interviewing Lyn Hill for the first time. This interview is taking place via Zoom and is part of the Queens Memory Project with a focus on Queens College. So I want to begin by thanking you for participating in Queens Memory, and you and your family have made historic contributions to Queens College and we're very, very excited about hearing your story. So I'd like to start by just asking some questions about your childhood and teenage years in Queens, and then we'll talk more generally about you and your family as students at Queens College, and then you and your husband's career there. And then a little bit about your career and volunteer work since Queens College. But again, this is your oral history, so feel free to go in whatever direction. And I know that both of your parents were born in Germany. Could you talk a little bit about their journey to Queens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=0.0,80.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Well, they both came in the late '30s. My mother came via England where she had left Berlin and arrived in England via the Kindertransport. And she was in England for about nine or 10 months, I think. And then her number came up and she was able to come to the United States. She came with her younger brother. Her parents, who had eventually gotten to England as well -- her father was very sick, and her mother remained with her father. There was an understanding that she would stay with him until he passed away, which he did a few months later. And then her mother eventually joined them and they lived in upper Manhattan. My mother actually worked as a nursemaid for a couple of years because that was, she was below 18, and she also needed a job that would provide room and board. So she was a nursemaid, and then eventually when her mother arrived, she was able to move into a small apartment with her mother and her younger brother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=80.0,163.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: She met my father, I think in 1942. He had come in in 1938 from Frankfurt and was sponsored by some relatives who kind of set him up in a furnished room and found him a job, but didn't do very much else for him or with him after that. So they met; and they met, I think, on Halloween. They got engaged on Christmas, and they married on Valentine's Day of 1943. And they lived in Inwood in upper Manhattan, which is actually where I was born and raised until the age of 11. So I didn't move to Queens until I was almost a teenager. And it was a big change for me because we had lived in Inwood in a three-room apartment, one bedroom, with my two sisters and my parents. My sisters and I shared the bedroom, my parents had daybeds in the living room, and eventually they were able to scrape up enough money to buy a small house in Forest Hills where I had my own, very small, but my own bedroom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=163.0,248.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: And my sisters shared another bedroom, and my parents had a bedroom. So it was a three-bedroom house with a bathroom and a half bathroom and a little garden in the back and a little porch on the front. So it was a very different environment than I had grown up in. And of course, I had to make all new friends, which was difficult. I was just starting junior high school and most of the people in my classes at least knew some -- I guess they came from various feeder schools, but they all knew some people in their classes, and I didn't know anybody. So it took a while to get acclimated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=248.0,292.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: So tell me a little bit about Forest Hills at the time, a little bit about the schools. I know you went to Forest Hills High School and what the neighborhood was like, the library, the transportation, things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=292.0,304.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: So in Inwood, I had lived four blocks, I think, away from the library, which was my very favorite place to go to after school. In Queens, the library was about a half a mile away, but it still was an important place for me. I went to Halsey Junior High School. That was a place where it was just, I think, difficult for me to acclimate, but I think -- I was there for two years, in the 7 S-P [Special Progress] and then the 9 S-P classes. And I think by the end of it, I was used to it and I had some friends and it had become much easier. A great selling point of the house that my parents moved into was that it was one and a half blocks away from Forest Hills High School. So there was no question about where I was going. And Forest Hills High School at that time had a tremendously high reputation among high schools all over the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=304.0,368.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: They said that it was the 39th best high school in the country. I don't know how that was determined, but we were all very proud of the fact that that was the case. And I think in high school, I don't think that I had a particularly outstanding profile in high school, but I did OK. And there was an assumption that I would probably be going to Queens College because they certainly didn't think that there was enough money to send their children to an out-of-town school. I think one of my sisters kind of flirted with going to a state school for a while, but we all ended up at Queens College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=368.0,428.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: OK. So before we go there, just one more thing, you then moved to Long Island City, is that correct?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=428.0,434.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Yeah. After we were married, my husband and I, when we first were married, we also had an apartment in Forest Hills for a couple of years. Our ambition was to move to Manhattan, either to the Upper West Side or the Village. And we were looking at apartments advertised in the Village Voice, and there was this apartment that just sounded so attractive, but it was in Long Island City, which I think I had never been to. But we discovered that it was right on the Ely Avenue subway stop, which was a stop that nobody ever got out of or into. It was right between Queens Plaza and Lexington Avenue in Manhattan, but it was the E and the F at that time stopped there. And so it stopped at Continental Avenue just a few stops later, which was very convenient to Queens College. We were both teaching there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=434.0,499.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: And then this apartment was tremendously attractive. It was actually the lower duplex of a 19th-century townhouse that had just been renovated. So it had a fireplace, I think it had two fireplaces on the second floor, and it had two bedrooms, and it was very charming. And the neighborhood was mostly -- this was one block in Long Island City that had been designated as a historic area. It was the only block in all of Queens that was designated as a historic area. And the rest of Long Island City was either quite industrial at that time. It was way before all of the changes that have taken place now. This was the early '70s, so aside from the industrial, the residential parts of it were kind of working-class apartments and houses. It was pretty low crime because nobody would come into that area to bother trying to prey on the people who lived there. There wasn't enough there to bother with, and yet the people who actually lived there also were not mostly criminals. So it was a safe place to live. There were very little, very few amenities. There was no decent supermarket and there were really no schools nearby, but we really loved living there. We were there for four years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=499.0,615.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: I don't know if you want to go into this, but what happened to make us leave Long Island City was when I got pregnant, we felt we needed a larger place, because we had been using the second bedroom as a study for both my husband and myself, and that was going to be turned into a nursery. Well, there was a cellar underneath our apartment that was only five feet deep, and we persuaded the landlord that we were such great tenants that what he should do was dig out this cellar and finish it, and it could become -- put decent lighting in, and it could become our study, and then we could have the second bedroom for the baby. He thought that was a good idea too. Unfortunately, he hired the people who had done the designer renovations of the house and of other houses that he owned on the block to do this work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=615.0,685.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: And so they set out, they dug; the first thing to do was to dig the basement several feet deeper. And at some point there were lally columns that were holding up the ceiling in that basement. And at some point when they dug far enough, the lally columns were now hanging from the ceiling but not attached to anything. And then they continued digging and water started coming up. And their reaction to that was, oh my goodness, our feet are getting wet. And they sent the landlord out to buy fishing boots for them so their feet wouldn't get wet as they were digging. Well, while he was out getting -- this is very funny now, it wasn't then -- the house fell! And it fell on one side, it fell six inches. It only fell six inches because on the other side was an attached townhouse. The neighbors had an oak bookcase that was six inches from the ceiling. So now the whole house, ours and theirs, were resting on their bookcase.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=685.0,771.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: And I had actually gone out that morning to look at washing machines and dryers because we were going to put that in the basement. My mother was buying me [the machines], that was her gift for the baby. And I came back and I kind of walked in and walked right to the entrance to the cellar because I knew the landlord was there. And he said to me, Lyn, have you looked at the walls of the house? And I said, no. And he said, well, I want you to breathe deeply, but you're going to be upset when you see the condition of the walls. And my response was, Sal, I'm not sure if the washing machine and dryer are going to fit through these doors. And he said, Lyn, go look at the walls. So I went and looked at the walls and there were cracks, literally inches deep on every wall on that side. He had tried to do this work without any kind of permits from the City. And so at that point, he basically had to report himself to the City to get the proper permits to fix the house. And Forbes and I tried to live in the house for a few weeks, I think, after this work started. And I mean, we were just living in constant plaster dust. And so we then moved out and got a furnished apartment in Forest Hills, which we stayed in for I think about three months until the baby was born, and maybe a month afterwards, at which point the apartment was ready for us to move back into. In the course of that, by the way, we had, in preparation for this basement work, we had a lot of stuff stored in that basement. We had taken it all out and put it in the backyard that was [behind] this house, and we had a very big tent. So we had the tent in the backyard with all of the things that we had stored. And in the course of working on the house, one of the workmen threw a cigarette out the window and the tent burned with all of our stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=771.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: What a nightmare!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=930.0,933.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Anyway, we moved back in and we were there for a year, and the house was never what it had been. The floors still sloped and our relationship with the landlord who had loved us and we had loved him kind of eroded during that year. And so then we started thinking about maybe we would try to buy a house on the block. We discovered that we couldn't really afford to buy a house on that block. And then somebody said to us, if you like houses like this, there's a lot of them in Brooklyn. So we started looking first in Greenpoint, 'cause that was right on the other side of the Kosciuszko Bridge from Long Island City. We didn't really like what we saw in Greenpoint. And then we looked in Fort Greene, which was the next neighborhood, and that was, at that time, too scary. And we were always looking also at what was on a good subway, because we thought we were never going to own a car. And so then we looked at Boerum Hill, which was the next neighborhood over, and we had some real estate agents looking for houses for us. And then one of them said, well, I have a house that I think you're really going to like, it's not technically in Boerum Hill, it's in Park Slope, but it's very near a central subway stop. And that was the house that we eventually bought. And so I have not lived in Queens for the last 46 years. I live in Brooklyn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=933.0,1040.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: What was the name of the block? That block in Long Island City?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1040.0,1043.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: It was 45th Avenue, between 21st and 23rd Streets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1043.0,1048.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: OK. Alright. Well, that is a fabulous story. It was one disaster after -- now you can laugh at it, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1048.0,1059.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Right. And I think even then we said, someday we're going to laugh at this story, but it was just not funny at all when I was, I don't know, seven or eight months pregnant and the house had...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1059.0,1072.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Right. Let's go back to why you decided to go to Queens College and what your life there was like as a student, what Queens College was like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1072.0,1084.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: So I think that there didn't feel like there was a lot of choice, to be honest. I knew that there wasn't really money to go out of town, and I don't think I ever really thought about it much. At that time, I was very intent on pursuing a career in theater. So I was very happy to actually be in New York City where I could get work. And I had been doing summer stock. I guess the first year I did summer stock was right before, the summer before I started college. But after that, I did summer stock for several years, but during the year, I did some work off Broadway. And so I was not that unhappy about staying in the city. I think there was some thought about maybe City College because that would be \"out of town\" [laughs], but in the end, most of the people I knew were going to Queens College, and it was not a whole lot of choice. The first year, I think, I was kind of floundering socially. I think I joined a house plan the first year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1084.0,1160.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: And what year is this now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1160.0,1162.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: That was '63-'64, but I think maybe even by the end of that year, and certainly by the next year, I was heavily involved in the theater program, and that was then my people and my place. By that time, I knew that I wanted to go into costume design. There was a man doing costume design for the college who had had some professional experience and could teach me a lot and some other people in the program who also were interested in costume design. And so that was my go-to place for the next several years. At the same time, I think I majored in Communication Arts and Sciences, which part of the time, I think when I first started, was called Speech, but I think it was Communication Arts and Sciences by the time I graduated. Now it's Media Studies. And Theater was a concentration in that major. And then I had a minor in English, and I think I maybe also had a minor or just a lot of courses in the Home Economics department, because that's where I could learn about sewing and tailoring and draping and costume design. And I also took some art courses that were directed at that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1162.0,1265.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: OK. And then did you also go to graduate school at Queens College?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1265.0,1270.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Yes. And that was another story. I was very sure when I graduated that I did not want to go to graduate school because I had leads in working in professional theater. And I thought, if I'm going to be a costume designer, that what I want to do is get work in that field and see how fast I can move up in it. And I had a theater history professor, and I liked the theater history courses very much, and he encouraged me to go to graduate school. And we had several conversations about this because every time we'd have a conversation, it would go something like this: How about -- he would suggest schools. And finally he would suggest Yale Drama School, because that had a program in costume design. And I kept saying, I just want to work. I just want to get work. And then a month later, we would have the same conversation. He would pretend, or maybe he didn't remember, that we'd already had it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1270.0,1346.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Anyway, so I graduated. I did get work. I was making not very much money, but enough money that I had a very little apartment of my own. And then I think I had kind of an epiphany. I was given a show to design -- a traveling show -- and over the 4th of July weekend, they were having their last dress rehearsals. And so I was sitting there looking at the costumes, and after a while there was a question about, well, where is the costume for such and such? And I said, well, nobody told me that character was added. Well, we're telling you now, we need the costume. And that happened several times during that rehearsal. This was the 4th of July weekend. Nothing was open because at that time, nobody was. And it was just incredibly frustrating and annoying. And I suddenly had this epiphany that I was not going to be able to control my work because theater is, it's about working with a group of people, some of whom may or may not be particularly responsible or stable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1346.0,1439.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: I think what had happened was in the late fall after I graduated, I was actually hired by Queens College to design and build the costumes for a major production that they were doing. They had lost their person who was the professional costume designer. They knew me because I had been hanging around there for years, and they hired me as a college assistant, and I did this show. It had 95 costumes. It was huge. They let me hire an assistant, which I did, and it went beautifully. The director was very pleased with the costumes. Everything was ready on time, and I felt very much in control and very happy with how that went. So that was that. By the summer, the following summer, when I was doing this professional show, I had this realization that I wasn't really going to be able to always control things like I had at the college and if I ever wanted to have a family -- and I guess by that time I was thinking about that -- this career was not going to be viable. I wasn't really going to be able to manage a husband and children and this craziness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1439.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: And so I started thinking about the fact that maybe graduate school would be a good option. At the time, I think my father was very sick. We knew he was dying of cancer, and I think that maybe also played a part in my decision. And so I called the professor who had been trying forever to get me to go to graduate school, and I said, I think I want to go to graduate school. I want to study theater history. I want to get a Ph.D. eventually, and I want to be in academia and teach. And he said, well, we actually have one assistantship still available. We can get your papers. And this was August, but he said, we can get everything in and you can start next month. And I did. I did. So that was my first big career shift.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1530.0,1595.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Right, right. And how did you see the college change over time -- from the time you started as a freshman through your graduate degree?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1595.0,1605.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Well, that first year, that was the '68- '69 year. And so that was a huge change. When I started, women wore dresses or skirts. You certainly could not go to a class in pants. By the time I was a graduate assistant, starting in September of '68, the students were coming to class in blue jeans. And by the spring we had all of the demonstrations and the protests. So it was a vastly different place. And then a year or two later, we had the beginning of open admissions. So that changed everything again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1605.0,1658.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: In terms of the demographics of the college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1658.0,1660.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: The demographics, and just the whole -- I think in the spring of '69, I believe that they went to pass/fail that semester. And I think after that, there was always a pass/fail option for certain things. It just changed the whole demographics. It changed the academics. There was all of this talk all of a sudden about courses having to be relevant. That had never occurred to us when I was an undergraduate, but my younger sisters were both students [in the late '60s].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1660.0,1706.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: So tell me about them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1706.0,1708.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Well, especially my middle sister was pretty into the whole new vibe. I don't remember quite how, I think my youngest sister maybe followed her along a little bit, but my middle sister had a boyfriend, later on her husband, who was very far left. So there were some disagreements because I was still fairly conservative. And by the time that Forbes and I were dating and then married, he tended to be farther left than I was also for a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1708.0,1757.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: OK. Well, what did you think about it? What was your feeling about what was happening?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1757.0,1762.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: I was not particularly supportive of students not going to class and protesting. And I felt like what they were doing was not particularly -- I certainly wasn't supporting the war in Vietnam -- but I didn't think what they were doing was particularly effective. And it seemed to me that for a lot of them, it was a way of avoiding the responsibilities that classes would have [required].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1762.0,1792.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Yeah, interesting, and very reflective of what's happening now as well. [Note: At the time of this interview, many college campuses were seeing protests relating to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1792.0,1797.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Yes, yes. It reminds me a great deal of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1797.0,1802.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Yeah. And then tell me a little bit about your mother in Queens College, because that's a really interesting story. She went back to get her degree?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1802.0,1810.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Well, my mother's education had been totally interrupted by what happened in Germany. So she left Germany when she was, I think, 15. She never finished high school there. When she got to England, she expected to be able to finish school and even go to university. And the relatives who were there already, who were supposedly taking care of her, decided that what she really needed to do was take a commercial course so she could learn typing and shorthand, and be able to support herself because there would be no money otherwise. When she got here, of course, she was too young, and the relatives who were here told her that she couldn't do that anyway because she wouldn't be able to make enough to support herself. And so she took that nursemaid position, or a couple of nursemaid positions, because they provided room and board as well as a little money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1810.0,1879.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: So, she married my father. She was a very articulate woman. She wrote beautifully in English, even with just the partial high school education. If you spoke with her in those days, you would never know that she wasn't highly educated. My father died in 1968, and my mother remarried in 1970, and she married a man who was a lawyer, and he, I think, recognized that she was a very bright woman. He advocated for her to continue her education. She no longer -- she had worked when she was married to my father once the children were old enough for her to be out of the house. And she certainly worked after he died because she needed the money. But the second husband really didn't particularly want her to work, and he suggested that she should continue her education, that she should get a college education.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1879.0,1961.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: And he was a difficult person in many ways, and not particularly supportive of her children or her relationship with her children. But in the education area, he was very supportive. So first she had to get a GED, and she worked pretty hard to do that, not because of the English or the history portions, but because of the math. She had really not learned a lot of math in Germany. She told the story of having a math teacher in high school who had a reputation for being drunk a lot, and the children in her class made fun of him. But she being the only Jewish child in the class and having gotten a special dispensation to go to this school, even though she was Jewish, was very careful not to do anything to insult him. He, in turn, would always say that she obviously knew everything and didn't have to take the tests. And since she despised math anyway, this worked really well for her. But the bottom line was she didn't even learn basic high school math, and she didn't like math. And so when she worked for the GED, I think her husband got her a math tutor to get her through that. So she finally got the GED, and once she had the GED, she applied to the ACE program at Queens College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=1961.0,2067.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: What was the ACE program?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2067.0,2069.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Adult Continuing Education. And I think it still exists, I'm not sure, but I think it might still exist. And what that program did was, there was a certain amount of credit that was available for students for life experience, and they gave her a number of credits, I think, for life experience. But she was definitely there for at least three years, and I think maybe even four. She majored in Comp Lit and she loved it. And I think a lot of her teachers loved her. And she eventually graduated summa cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa, which none of her children [did]! I mean, I think by the time she entered, I think my youngest sister had already graduated, and we all did OK, but nothing like what she did. So that was my mother's experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2069.0,2138.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: That's a fabulous story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2138.0,2139.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: I think that she, more than any of us really enjoyed...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2139.0,2142.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Yeah. How old was she when she did that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2142.0,2148.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Let's see. I guess she was in her early 50s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2148.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: OK. OK. Great. Well, that's a fabulous, fabulous story. So you must have been very proud of her for that. So then tell me a little bit about --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2160.0,2172.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: She did a couple of years of graduate work afterwards.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2172.0,2175.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Oh, she did? So...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2175.0,2176.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: She eventually -- at the [CUNY] Graduate Center -- she eventually decided that she really didn't want to pursue it, but she took about two years of graduate courses and she did fine with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2176.0,2192.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Right. And you also got your doctorate, is that true?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2192.0,2197.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: I got my doctorate at the Graduate Center.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2197.0,2199.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: At the Graduate Center, yeah. That's very impressive. And that was in theater arts also?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2199.0,2205.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Yeah. Well, the program is called Theater. The work that I did was in theater history and dramatic criticism. It's not really a performance degree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2205.0,2217.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Right, right. So tell me now a little bit about your teaching career at Queens College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2217.0,2222.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Well, I was thrown into the teaching area the very first semester that I started graduate work, because at that time, the graduate students had these graduate assistantships, which were actually part-time instructorships. Now, I am not sure if the instructor title even still exists at Queens, but at that time, instructor was a title for people who didn't have doctorates. So they weren't eligible for an assistant professorship, but were maybe aiming towards a doctorate. As opposed to a lecturer, which was very similar, but the lecturer title was kind of a terminal title. And you could eventually get a Certificate of Continuous Employment as a lecturer, but not tenure. The instructor title also, was not a tenure-bearing line. So the graduate assistants at that time had part-time instructorships, which meant that we had half of a full-time instructor's salary, which was very much higher than what I think now these people [who] are hired as adjuncts [get], which is an hourly pay rate, and it's much less.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2222.0,2307.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: The part-time instructorship was a much better deal, and I think I had that for two years. And eventually when I finished the master's, I was hired as a full-time instructor, which was a terrific deal because it paid not a very high salary, but a decent salary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2307.0,2336.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: And then what classes did you teach?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2336.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: I taught Introduction to Debate, which was the basic course in Communication Arts and Sciences. So my master's was in Communication Arts and Sciences, because that's where the theater concentration existed. The courses that I took were all theater history and dramatic criticism courses, but the courses that I taught were all communication courses. So I taught Argumentation and Debate -- I guess that's what it was called -- for the first two years. I really felt very much out of my depth because I don't even think I had ever taken an argumentation course. I was kind of winging it and learning the night before whatever I was going to teach the next day. But eventually I did get the hang of it, and it's actually stood me in pretty good stead. Last couple of years I've been a debate judge for the high school that my grandson attended.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2340.0,2412.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Eventually then I taught interpersonal communication and I taught public speaking and I taught a lot of the basic communication courses. And then the theater department, while I was there, the theater department actually split and became its own department, but I was still employed in Communication Arts and Sciences. So the only two courses that were theater-related in Communication Arts and Sciences were Creative Dramatics and Theater for Children. So those two courses I also taught from time to time. And I was a full-time instructor teaching all of these different courses until, I think, 1978. And that was when there was a limit to how many years you could be an instructor, and then you had to either be promoted to an assistant professor or that was the end. So for me, that was the end because first of all, I wouldn't have been a full-time assistant professor in Communication Arts and Sciences, because that wasn't where my doctorate was. But I also didn't have the doctorate yet because in the meantime, I had a couple of children and my focus was much more on family than finishing the dissertation. So then I continued working on the dissertation, and I was hired as an adjunct for another, I think three or four years, in Communication Arts and Sciences, and taught various courses in that department, but only as an adjunct. I think maybe even eventually as an adjunct assistant professor, because I did finally get the doctorate. But that was kind of the end of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2412.0,2558.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: And what was it like as a woman in that field working at Queens College? Was there particular discrimination or were they supportive of women then? What was it like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2558.0,2568.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: I did not feel that I was discriminated against, even when I had a very long maternity leave during which I was paid because I had so many accumulated sick days. So I really did not feel discriminated against. There was this woman's suit, this Melani Suit that I think came in the late -- I think it was the late '70s [Ed. note: Melani et al. v. The Board of Higher Education was filed in 1973, and in 1983 resulted in a $7.5 million settlement]. And I eventually was awarded a few thousand dollars because all of the women who had been employed during a certain period at CUNY got a settlement. But I never felt that I really deserved it. I felt that I was perfectly well-treated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2568.0,2624.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: And then tell me a little bit about your husband's teaching career there. I know that that was a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2624.0,2629.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: He had come in 1963, I think -- '64 I think was his first year. He came from University of California, Santa Barbara. He had taught there for a few years, and his specialty was classical rhetoric. But in the course of his -- I think he taught [at Queens] for over 40 years -- and in the course of his career, he rarely taught classical rhetoric. There was a course, I think, but there was not a great deal of clamoring for it. But he taught argumentation and debate and advanced argumentation and debate. He taught public speaking, he taught game theory, he taught political communication -- [that] was one of his big specialties. He was very interested in that. And he worked with people in Poli Sci. There was a joint Poli Sci/Communications concentration that he was very interested in, and he taught courses there. He taught...what were the other things that he taught? He taught conflict resolution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2629.0,2710.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: He taught some courses in media law and other law-related [courses]...He was very interested in law, he was very interested in politics, and he taught a lot of political communication and media law and ethics and courses like that. And he kept on changing throughout his career. He adapted really well. And when he retired, I think he retired in the -- he retired maybe around 2003 or 2004. [Ed. note: Forbes Hill retired in 2003.] He was, I think, 74 years old when he officially retired. And he said to me, they're offering an early retirement incentive, and I don't think they're going to do that anytime soon again, so I think I should take it and retire now. So he did. But there was a -- I don't know if this still exists, but there was an option for anybody who retired to be hired for at least a certain amount of time to teach as an adjunct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2710.0,2791.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: And he immediately took advantage of that. And so after he retired until he died [in 2008], he taught at least one course a semester, and very often the department would ask him to take on a second course because he was a pretty popular teacher in those years. And they were able to kind of fill their schedule at a kind of budget price, 'cause he just was paid as an adjunct. And that was fine with him because he was already collecting the pension and so on. This was kind of gravy. He taught until the very end. That was what he loved. He loved interacting with the students. One of the things that was interesting was he -- I've said that he was kind of on the left for much of his life. I think he moved a little bit more towards the center towards the end, but he was extremely receptive to students who were very conservative. And so he was very well-liked by a whole group of right-wing students who knew that they could be listened to and heard and engaged with if they took his classes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2791.0,2878.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: So that's what I was going to ask. What about Queens College did he love that kept him there so long and keep coming back?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2878.0,2887.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: I think it was the students. I think he also really enjoyed interacting with other faculty. He was -- for many years, my husband was very active in the union. He was chapter chairman for a number of years, and even when he gave up the chapter chairmanship, he became a grievance counselor. I was pretty much annoyed most of the time that he was working with the union, because we would get these phone calls during dinner and he would be on the phone for hours. And I thought the whole thing took a lot of his time away from the family, but he was very engaged with it. And he would get people who were filing grievances who really had no case, and yet he would defend them and advocate for them as much as he possibly could because he felt that was his responsibility. Also, he was chairman of the department for a couple of years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2887.0,2954.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Oh, OK. And then you've set up some scholarships. Talk a little bit about that, in his name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2954.0,2962.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: The family set up a scholarship initially in honor of his 80th birthday. He already was not particularly well at that point, but we wanted to do this and we wanted to do it when he could still enjoy it. And our initial hope was that we could raise $10,000 for some kind of a scholarship. And then with the help of my stepson, who is quite a successful entrepreneur, and some of his associates, all of a sudden it was up to $100,000. And since then, we've continued contributing to it. I think initially it was going to be a scholarship for somebody's senior year in the Department of Media Studies, and then it looked like -- there was no graduate program in that department for a long time. And then they reestablished it, and they felt like maybe that would be a better use for the money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=2962.0,3036.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: So for the past several years, the scholarship has been devoted to the graduate program and graduate students. We set up another, smaller fund that supports faculty. And my feeling was -- my husband did not have a huge publication record. He really put most of his effort into teaching. He published a few very important articles, but never a book. And so when he went to conferences, by and large, he paid for them. The college did not send him because he wasn't necessarily presenting a paper. So my hope with this second fund was that it would go to a faculty member who wanted to do research or attend a conference where there wasn't funding available. And it would not necessarily be because they had already published something or already done something, but in support of just being able to enrich their own understanding of their subject. That's the second fund. And then there's another fund very recently established in memory of my mother. And that's with the German department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3036.0,3146.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: And what's that? What is that for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3146.0,3147.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: German program. Well, I think what I initially, it's not a whole lot of money, and I think initially I basically said whatever the director of that program -- it's not a department, German, it's a program -- whatever they want to use it for, for faculty or students. Now, I just recently got a list of six students who apparently are being given scholarships for study abroad in Germany.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3147.0,3183.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Oh, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3183.0,3184.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: So that's what it is for now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3184.0,3185.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Great, great. So just tell me a little bit about your career. And I know you've done a lot of volunteer work since you stopped working at Queens College. It's a very impressive list.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3185.0,3200.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Well, so I finished my Ph.D. in the early '80s, and it was very clear that -- this was not too long after the city had had the near-bankruptcy experience, and there were a lot of cuts. There were not a lot of jobs available teaching theater history or theater dramatic criticism or any courses in theater in New York City. And New York City, of course, is the place that everybody who has a Ph.D. in theater wants to be. It [has] the best kinds of jobs. So I was not a particularly competitive candidate at that point. I had taken much too long to get the Ph.D., and I actually had some decent publications, but not the amount that you would expect somebody of my age to have. And I think I maybe could have had a job in the Midwest, but Forbes had tenure here and he wasn't about to leave the job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3200.0,3281.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: So it was clear that I needed to have a different path. And I guess this was sort of like the epiphany that I'd had when I changed from costume design to an academic career. This was another epiphany. At that point, my kids were going to a small private school that was just about to merge with a much larger high school, that didn't have a particularly good reputation. But the idea -- the elementary school had a very good reputation, and the idea was that the high school would quickly improve, and I thought maybe the head would think it would be good to have a Ph.D. on the faculty. So I pushed that and I did get a part-time teaching job at the school and unfortunately, it was directing the high school play, which was a horror [laughs], but I did it. And I combined that with still adjunct teaching at Queens. And I think I also had an adjunct position at Montclair State [University] and was kind of running around all the time for the next year. The following year, I continued to do some teaching in the high school, but not directing the play.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3281.0,3387.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: And then I also started to do some public relations work for the school, which actually worked very well with all of the communication and rhetoric courses. I think I forgot to tell you that one of the main courses that I taught when I was teaching at Queens College was a basic course that Forbes and I team-taught called the Role of Rhetoric in American Society. And that was -- I'm trying to think of when it was -- I guess it was the early, mid '70s, there was this new teaching technique. Because of open admissions, all of a sudden the basic courses were huge lecture courses that were multimedia courses. So Forbes and I taught this multimedia course called The Role of Rhetoric in American Society.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3387.0,3449.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Every single lecture was carefully planned and programmed, and it included slides so that instead of a blackboard, you'd have slides that would come up. It included music, it included film, it included strip films that we showed, records, all sorts of multimedia examples of modern rhetoric. And that had prepared me really well for doing public relations, because that's what it is -- it's rhetoric meant to persuade. So I kind of shifted and I was doing some PR for the school as well as doing some teaching. The third year I was there, I actually was hired full-time to do public relations. By that time, my children were getting older. It was not the greatest thing for me to be working in the school where they were at. But the other thing that was happening was I felt like because I had been a parent in the school previously, everybody was very happy with my work, but they all treated me like a gifted amateur. And so I thought, I'm going to see whether anybody will actually hire me to do this without the baggage that I carry with this school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3449.0,3551.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: And within a few months, I was hired to be the director of public relations and publications at St. Francis College, which was walking distance from my house. And so I was there for a couple of years. That was a wonderfully pleasant job with very nice people, but it didn't pay a whole lot. And I felt like I could probably make more if I moved someplace bigger. I actually thought what I would really like to do would be to move to one of the City University colleges, which paid much more than this little private Catholic school. But then somebody said to me, you're never going to be taken seriously as a public relations professional if you don't work someplace that's not an academic institution. All of your experiences is in academia. So I thought, well, I'll see whether somebody will hire me that's not in academia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3551.0,3618.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: And so my next job was at what was then Methodist Hospital of Brooklyn [now New York-Presbyterian Brooklyn Methodist Hospital], which was also in walking distance from my house, but in the other direction. And I was hired to do public relations there. That was quite a shock to work in a hospital for the first time. I remember the first day my assistant told me where to go to get my ID badge, and she said, now, when you walk down that hall, don't go in the first door, go in the second door. If you go in the first door, you'll go in the morgue [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3618.0,3662.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: So anyway, I worked there for several years and then thought, OK, now it's time for me to go back to academia. And at that point, there was a very attractive position open in one of the City University schools, and I started interviewing for that job, and I started interviewing for it, I think in the summer. And it was one of these things where you interviewed first with somebody in HR and then they set up an interview with a committee, and then there was an interview with the provost, and then finally an interview with the president. So the interview with the president took place just at the same time that there was a big shift in the leadership of the hospital, and we got a new CEO.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3662.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: So there was this new CEO at the hospital that I was working with. And then there was the interview with the president of this CUNY community college that I think it had been a community college and it was going to be a four-year college also. The president showed me a Harvard University catalog, and he said, now, I want our catalog to look like this because I want our school now to be the Harvard of the CUNY system, and I want you to market me as the president of this institution. And I started to become really uncomfortable because he [didn't] get the mission of this school, which had all sorts of really good vocational programs, but it was not going to be Harvard, no matter what. And that was not really what was going to sell it to people. So that was there. And then meanwhile, the president of the hospital suddenly offered me a big promotion, and then I got word that they wanted to hire me at this school. And that had been my dream job, and I really was torn, but I decided, I'm going to stay at the hospital because I don't think that this job at the college is going to work. And so that's what I did. A couple of years after that, I became a vice president at the hospital, and I retired there. After about 10 years, I thought maybe I should move to someplace else. This is a long time to be at one institution. But I ended up retiring 30 years to the day after I had started at the hospital.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3720.0,3848.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Wow. Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3848.0,3851.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: It was a very satisfying career.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3851.0,3853.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Yes, it sounds that way. And it sounds like they really, really thought you did a great job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3853.0,3857.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: And very different from -- a lot of the volunteer work that you saw in my resume, a lot of that actually came as -- at least part of the job that I was doing. Because community -- I had a whole lot of things in my portfolio when I was vice president, but one of them was community relations. So I did serve on a lot of boards that were related to the community, which I was also living in. A lot of the time it was unclear whether I was representing the hospital or representing myself. And most of the time it was both. So then when I retired, the volunteer work that I've been doing, one constant has been my work with SCORE, which is an organization that mentors people who are starting or trying to expand small businesses and non-profits. So I do that. That changed a lot. I used to go into the SCORE offices and do it from there, but after the pandemic, it's been all done remotely, which is actually fairly convenient. I do that. I've [also] been pretty active in our local political club.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3857.0,3945.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: I just have to plug this in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3945.0,3947.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: I serve on the board of -- which I've done for a long time -- of the Park Slope Schoolhouse, which was actually an outgrowth of a childcare center that the hospital founded many years ago, but has had different non-profit ownership ever since. And lately I've been working with the Leo Baeck Institute and the Museum of Jewish Heritage on a project that I really am enjoying. It's a genealogy project. There is a library in Nuremberg that houses thousands of books that were looted by the Nazis, and they're trying to find the rightful heirs of the original owners of the books and send them back to them. So I mean, there are literally thousands and thousands of names, and I've been working on genealogy to try to determine who should get these books and then contacting them and putting them in touch with the people who can return them. And that's been very gratifying; some of the heirs...and it's hard to figure out how to approach these people, because if somebody called me up and said, I have a book that belongs to your family, my first thought would be, this is some kind of a scam. So I've developed a system for how I try to do it by email and I link them to a reliable article about the project, and explain that I traced them and that they are the rightful heir. And usually they're very happy to find out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=3947.0,4071.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. That sounds fabulous. So my last question, unless there's anything you want to add, is thinking back about Queens College, what is your hope for Queens College in the future? What's your sense of it now and what is your hope for the future?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=4071.0,4088.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Well, I think it's much more diverse than it was when I was a student there. And I think that the mission of serving first-generation college students was important then, and I think is even more important now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=4088.0,4110.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: OK. And is there anything you want to add? Anything we didn't talk about that you want to make sure we have in the oral history?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=4110.0,4119.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: I'm sure there will be, but I'll remember it after.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=4119.0,4122.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: OK. OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=4122.0,4124.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lyn Hill: Can I call you up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331#t=4124.0,4125.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/140313/file/259331/transcript/73715/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fran Kipnis: Yes. Actually, if there are things you want to talk about, they definitely do second interviews, and I'm happy to do that. So we could either just talk or we could do a shorter one. 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