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Where you were born, went to school, the neighborhoods you lived in. We'll go into how you decided to go to Queens College and then your experiences there. So wherever you want to start with your life.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=0.0,18.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Well, um, I was born in the Bronx, um, 1947. And, um, at the time I was the first born in the family. So we'd lived in a very tiny apartment off the Grand Concourse and. [Her phone buzzes.] Oh, sorry. You know what? I shut the sound off. But, um, when my sister was born, we needed a bigger apartment. She's three years younger than me. Actually today's her birthday. So, um, when she was born, we moved into low-cost housing off of the Cross Bronx Expressway. Um, and I don't have many memories of living there or living in the Bronx. I did go to school there and we lived there until I was second grade. I just remember it was scary. That's all I remember as a kid. It was a very old school and very...staircases and whatnot. So I don't remember a whole lot. Um, somewhere and sometime in late second grade, my parents made this decision to move to Queens and that's where my memory truly starts. When I was about 8 years old, we moved to Queens in the summer, right before third grade. And we moved into Pomonok. Which was also housing, public housing, but it was a little more upscale, I think, slightly, than the project, we were living in.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=18.0,107.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: That was called middle-income housing then.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=107.0,111.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Yes. And it was, it was like, idyllic in my mind. I mean, the minute I walked in, I met young girls. I had friends, it was protected. And it was open space. Back then Queens was fields. And I don't know that it was farmland, but it was fields and fields and open air. And the apartment wasn't brand new, but it was bigger and airier than where I lived before. Um, and so I, in that, so I made friends immediately. Um, and I went to P.S. 201, which was right across the street from Queens College on Kissena Boulevard.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=111.0,152.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: I started school there in third grade. And then from there, I went to [Harold G.] Campbell Junior High School, which is on the other side of Queens College. So I was like, my whole schooling pretty much was there. Although I did go to high school at Francis Lewis High School.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=152.0,170.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: So you didn't go to [John] Bowne [High School, on Main Street in Flushing]?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=170.0,172.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: I didn't because I was old[er]. My sister went there. It didn't exist when I entered. So she wound up there, but I went to Francis Lewis and at the time, well, actually, no, at the time the Expressway was still there. But I took a bus to school, to high school. I remember that. It was very big school, very crowded. Um, and then when it came time to go to college, we were still living in Pomonok. Um, I applied to out-of-the-area schools and I was accepted to Stony Brook and I had a decision to make. And I, I was thinking about it. I don't know if my decision was based on fear? Uh, a lack of confidence? Worried about being away from home -- even though I needed to get away from my parents, I was afraid to do it. Plus Queens College was free. All of those reasons I chose to go to Queens and...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=172.0,230.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Did most of your friends from school go to Queens?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=230.0,234.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Well, what happened was I had these friends in junior high school and through high school that lived in Electchester across Parsons Boulevard. Right. You know, Queens, I take it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=234.0,247.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: I live in Kew Gardens Hills. I grew up in Campus Hall.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=247.0,248.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: OK. Yes, yes. So, um, I had 10 girlfriends and we had a pack and we had guys we were friends with and I had a boyfriend. And they were all lived in Electchester and I used to walk there all summer, every afternoon or evening and hang out with them there. But they weren't, they didn't all go to college. Only a couple of them went. So, by the time I got to Queens, it became apparent to me that I had to meet other people because I couldn't just rely on the same friends that I had. And I think that's what propelled me to, um, join the house plan.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=248.0,295.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Did you join right when you came in to college?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=295.0,297.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: I did. I actually did. I don't remember why I chose Doll House. I don't remember even learning about house plans. I just remember the process of joining. But I did go through the process with one of, a close friend who was part of that group of 10 girls. Uh, so she and I tried out, I guess they called it, together.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=297.0,327.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Do you know, like the process for a house plan, how did it differ from the process for a sorority?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=327.0,334.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Well, the way I remember it, you didn't pledge per se. But you went to several interviews and several events and the members or sisters -- I don't remember what they called them -- they wanted to get to know you and see if you would fit in. I think part of it was your looks. I think part of it was your personality. I just remember having to stretch my personality because I was no, not a lot of confidence then. And I said, I'm going to do this and I'm going to push myself and I'm going to go through all the motions. And, um, I do remember the first time I, um, I was interviewed. There was, we were in the classroom and there were a bunch of us who had just started. We were freshmen. My friend Judy was with me then. And we stood up in front of the room and they asked us questions. I remember what I wore, believe it or not. I wore a white suit. In those days girls didn't wear pants to school.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=334.0,404.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Do you remember, what year did they allow, start to allow pants?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=404.0,408.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: It was some time I think when I was there. So I was there from '65 to '69. I graduated in '69. But I even remember when I started teaching in 1969, I couldn't wear pants. I could wear a mini skirt -- which was crazy when you think of that with third graders and bending over them -- but I couldn't, um, I couldn't wear pants back then. So, when I think of it, now it is so ludicrous that I lived that way. But I do recall I couldn't wear pants to school in the beginning.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=408.0,444.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: You dressed up for this event? You didn't usually wear a suit to school?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=444.0,448.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: No, I dressed up and it was a spec[ial]. I remember the suit. It was a special like holiday suit that I wore. And then there were several events after. Um, I talked to my friend, Debbie, who, I'm not sure if she'll be interviewed or not, but we're very close friends to this day -- we met at Doll House -- and she was reminding me that there was like a mother-daughter kind of a luncheon and our, her mother and my mother met. You know, there were events like that, that we got involved in. But for me it was like totally eye-opening experience because I got out of my little group and I got out away from Pomonok because I met girls and guys who didn't live right in the vicinity. I actually met some girls who lived in Bayside and I was invited to, uh, the apartment of one of -- and she wasn't a Doll House member, but somebody I met in school. And I said, \"I love it here. This is beautiful.\" And I went home and I told my parents, you guys have to move here. You've got to move to Bayside. And they were hesitant and whatnot. My father and I went on this campaign to convince my mother and together, he and I found an apartment for them, a condo. And they actually moved from Pomonok during the time I was in college to a condo in Bay Terrace. And that was a big deal for our family.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=448.0,542.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. It made your commute much longer.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=542.0,545.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Well, I got a car then -- which changed my life as well. Because now I had the freedom to go to all the social events and do whatever I wanted with the car. Um, my father helped me buy a car. Uh, well, he bought it. He had a friend who was in the car rental business. So he bought one of the used cars from him. I paid for it 'cause I worked all through school.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=545.0,569.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: What did you do?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=569.0,570.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Well, I tutored high school students in math. And I also worked at the Paul Klapper Library. So I, I can picture it. You would walk into the library. There was a tall desk on the right hand side. And I would sit at that desk with one of those alphabetical flip files. And my job was to take those cards -- remember how they used to have cards in the library books? And I, you know, when you took, borrowed a book, they'd pull the card and I would alphabetize those cards. I'd sit there hours on end putting...I made a buck and a quarter an hour. I remember that. And I hated it. It was so boring. And I felt like I was, um, on display. Like people I knew would come in. It was kind of demeaning, but I needed to work and I needed spending money. And so that's what I did.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=570.0,633.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Do you remember what you paid for your car?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=633.0,636.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: No, but what my parents did -- which was so cool; to this day, like I get emotional thinking about it -- any, when I started working and any big purchases, I had to pay them back. But they took the money and they put it in a bank account. I didn't know they were doing this. And when I got married, they handed my husband and I, this bank account with thousands of dollars in it that had collected interest over time. And it just, I thought it was such a cool thing for a parent to do, you know, and taught me the value of saving and the value of money in an indirect way. Ah, sorry. It makes me kind of emotional thinking about it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=636.0,678.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: It's a wonderful thing... If I can ask, you're working, you're involved in the house plan activities. What about schoolwork?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=678.0,692.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: OK. Well, that's interesting too. I've been thinking about that. So when I was in high school, that group of 10 girls in Electchester, we were so competitive. We all went to high school together and I was so competitive -- I guess I still am to this day, some, to some degree -- but we were competitive for getting As and it was so important to me to graduate high school with a 90-whatever average. That was a big deal because a lot of it had to do with how do you get into college? You have to have a good score. So I worked really hard to be competitive. By the time I got to college, suddenly...First of all, the work was harder. It was a lot more studying. Plus it didn't seem to matter so much anymore to get the As. The B or B plus was good enough. So, but I did study. I found time. I'd study late at night. When I'd have an exam, I'd study well into the night and I just, you know, juggled it. And I think it kind of helped me get the work ethic I've had through my entire career -- that you work. You don't just work nine to five, you work nine to eight. Or you work, you go home and you continue working or you work on the weekends or whatever. 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I entered as a math major, but when I got to linear algebra, it was a combination of the subject matter plus the instructor was terrible and unforgiving. So I switched to elementary ed is what I did. And, you know, that's kind of how I finished. I got a master's in elementary ed as well at Queens once I started teaching. My mother also worked at Queens College.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=774.0,811.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Oh that's interesting. In what department?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=811.0,811.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: She actually worked at the library first. We had a cousin who was the librarian at the time and helped her get a job.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=811.0,819.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: What was that cousin's name?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=819.0,822.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Uh, he passed away two years ago. Uh, Lenny Cohen. OK. Um, he moved up to, I think he was the librarian and wound up at Cornell after that, but, um, not in that area. Um, and she worked in the mic-- I think in the mic, with the microfiche and helped the students get their, uh, their research papers, the information they needed. And then she moved into the Admin Building and was in the clerical pool. So she would get the professors' notes and type up their notes. And she was so proud to work at Queens. You know, she only graduated high school. 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And...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=875.0,886.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: And I think it was, I seem to remember it was down in the basement. In the dark area. I'm not exactly sure, but...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=886.0,895.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: And how different research is and how different it is now, library use.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=895.0,899.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: So different. It's all computer-based now. And most of the time you don't even have to go to a library to do research.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=899.0,907.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Which changes the whole dynamic of being in school. People would just be in the library around for hours.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=907.0,916.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Yes. Which I loved because, um, you know, growing up, we had this wonderful library, um, as a, as a young student, right on Kissena Boulevard. We had a little public library that my dad used to take me to.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=916.0,939.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: In the, um, what's now I think a senior citizen center. I remember going there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=939.0,947.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Oh, you do? So you're, you? Yeah, it was on the other side of the park, the, um, the playground. And my father used to take me, and I can picture it to this day where all the different, um, how the files and the, the, the shelves were organized. And I particularly loved the historical fiction area. But it got me into reading, you know, which stayed with me. So that was important in my life. Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=947.0,977.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: So getting back to Queens College and the course, or...and math. That's...well, it's a hard major. I remember taking a math course or two at Queens and it was very different from high school math. And the change. And it is an interesting, a big difference being in high school and being in college. And the expectations that professors have. And then thinking about sometimes having professors who were graduate students and even from other countries and their English, wasn't that good. And trying to deal with all of that. 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But, um, I think that was particularly true back then.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1023.0,1045.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Now being in a house plan, did you and your fellow house plan members help each other with studying? With work? With um...?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1045.0,1055.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: I don't remember that. I had, like I said, that one friend from high school. She and I were kind of following similar paths and we helped each other. We, we would study on the telephone. I do remember that. Um, I remember 'cause my parents had...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1055.0,1069.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: I have to mute...one second. I'll be right back. Sorry, someone in the family came in.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1069.0,1088.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Oh, no problem. Sure.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1088.0,1089.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: You were getting -- I'm sorry. You were saying you were studying.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1089.0,1092.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: I said we studied over the phone late at night. Um, I'd sit in the kitchen at the kitchen table 'cause that's where the wall phone was. And, and it didn't disturb anyone in the bedrooms. And we could study through the night when we...we called it cramming, right? You'd cram. I think I remember doing that a lot because it wasn't...Because of the social life and the work life and school you had to, like at the last minute, you got to put it all in your brain.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1092.0,1125.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Now, did your house plan have an apartment or a space somewhere that you would hang out? Or that was more the male house plans had those?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1125.0,1133.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: No, we did. Um, you know, I heard one of the other interviews with Susan Sobel [Glaser] and she remembered several apartments. I only remember the one in Bayside. So there was an apartment there, but I, I don't remember spending a lot of time there. I do remember the Kingston House house very well because I spent a lot of time there socially. And I remember the bashes with the beer and, you know. And there was an upstairs area where the couples would go. Um, I do recall that very well.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1133.0,1168.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: All of the house plan socializing took place off campus?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1168.0,1173.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Um, yeah, I think you would say that. We didn't necessarily go to each other's homes. We did sometimes, but we really, you know, congregated in these apartments or these houses that were rented. There were events on campus though. I'm sure. We also went away for weekends. I remember we, a weekend at the Concord where the students went, you know.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1173.0,1205.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: For a house plan or all of the house plans?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1205.0,1208.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: I think they were all. It might've been all. You know, my memory, you're talking 50-plus years ago, 55-something years ago. It's a little fuzzy about that. Anyway...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1208.0,1220.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: You got into Doll House. Did you become really involved in like the administration of it where you were an officer?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1220.0,1229.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Nope, I wasn't. I was just a, you know, a member.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1229.0,1236.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: And there were about how many members?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1236.0,1240.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Sorry. I really don't remember, but I do remember many of the girls. And um, only one have I really stayed in touch with. Is close, my close friend, Debbie. Um, and Susan though, I actually had, um, I went, I traveled with Susan after college. We went to Europe together for the summer and then the following year, Debbie, Susan and I went cross-country together -- which is a whole other story. Um, but uh, we recently reconnected about that cross-country trip. So I have been in touch with her.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1240.0,1279.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Do you want to share anything about it?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1279.0,1279.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Well, it's a very, it's a, it's an interesting, the story, um, and it involves Queens College. If you'd like me to tell you, I'll try to, um, kind of like encapsulate it. So it was 1970 in the summer, in July. So it was almost 51 years now. And Susan, Debbie and I, um, decided to go cross-country because we had finished our first year teaching, all three of us. And we had some money and we had some freedom. So we packed up a suitcase and we took a sleeping bag, no tents. And we flew to Denver. And we stayed overnight in a hotel in Denver, rented a car and decided we would camp our way to California and up the coast and spend what, four to six weeks doing that. We didn't have tents. We slept in sleeping bags. We slept. It rained. We slept in the car. We slept on the hood of the car. We slept on the ground. Um, it was truly an adventure. When we got to the Grand Canyon, we were seeing this magnificent sight, and this young man in his best New York accent turns to my friend Debbie and says, \"Debbie?\" And she says, \"Lester?\" And it turned out Les had, um, tutored Debbie in math at Queens College. He was a Queens College student and he was traveling with three other guys.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1279.0,1376.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: [Laughing] Oh, OK!\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1376.0,1378.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: One of whom was also a Queens College student, and the two of the others were not. They went to other schools. So the seven of us decided to spend some time together at the Grand Canyon. They were also camping, no tents, just sleeping bags and a car and suitcases. And we, um, we hiked together. We cooked together. We stayed together, but we...and then we were all headed to Las Vegas. So we decided we would travel together. Now, Susan, Debbie and I were hesitant to do that because our goal in this trip was to meet interesting young men, not Jewish guys from New York, from Queens College. That's not what we wanted! This was our liberation. This was our chance to like really break out. But we went along and we went to Las Vegas together and we, we got, adjoining, uh, rooms. The guys were in four in one, we were three in the other, and we spent three or four days together having a fabulous time, really getting to know each other. And you know, sparks started flying as you would imagine. One of the guys in the group of four, his name was Jeff. One was Les. One was Marvin. One was Norm. And then there was Debbie, Susan and I. So we just, we were, the girls were headed to Los Angeles as were the guys. But we said, we're not. We'll travel together through the desert, but we will part ways in Los Angeles because we had other goals in mind. So we parted when we got to L.A. Susan, Debbie and I really missed those guys 'cause we had so much fun with them. We spent several days, we were somewhat depressed. And then we said, let's cheer ourselves up one day and we'll go to Disneyland. So we get to Disneyland and we're walking through Disneyland, big place. And who do we see? The four guys are in Disneyland.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1378.0,1497.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Well, I can't tell you how happy we all were to see each other. We spend time together and they were headed up north and we were staying in L.A. a few days. We parted ways. They went up north. We went back to L.A. Then the girls a few days later decided to go up the coast. But we were going to stop at Big Sur and try to camp. So we pull into a campground, but there were absolutely no campgrounds available. So what do we do? We're in the middle of nowhere, we don't know what we're doing. So we ask at the booth where you sign up. We gave the four names of the four guys. Sure enough...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1497.0,1536.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: They were there?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1536.0,1540.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: They were registered. So we pulled up to the, um, the campground -- and they had been with some girls and I think it intimidated the girls. I don't remember what happened, but anyway, they invited us to join. We joined them in Big Sur at the campgrounds and spent a night or two there. But the guys were going up north to San Francisco and we were going to spend time at the beach. They left, we stayed and we moved up north to San Francisco. By then we had given up our car and we started hitchhiking. Couldn't believe it. But we did do that back then. We hitchhiked, you know.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1540.0,1578.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Did your parents back in Queens know?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1578.0,1584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: They knew nothing about...but you know, you didn't have cell phones.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1584.0,1587.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. Right. They couldn't reach you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1587.0,1589.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: We were staying in campgrounds. They couldn't reach us. We were 18 or 19 years old. No, no, I'm sorry. We were 21 or 22 years old because we had already graduated. So we're in San Francisco and we're -- and you know, this is so serendipitous. I mean, the whole experience was surreal, and we're staying at a little hotel, cheap hotel. And we go to Chinatown one day and who's walking across the street, but the four guys. So by then it was alright. And they were headed to Yosemite. We were headed to Yosemite. Seven of us piled into their car with our suitcases and sleeping bags. It was a Chrysler, I remember it to this day. And we, um, spend time together. We had such a fabulous time. We have great pictures, everything. OK. So everybody goes back to New York. Goes their separate ways, but we got together. It turned out Jeff and I got married two years later and we're still married. Debbie met a friend of the guys named Barry and they're married. Susan, nobody else paired up. But Les...So my sister, let me back up. My sister, um, her husband wound up becoming a Kingston House member. He was younger than us, but I helped introduce them to the Kingston House guys. He died 20 years ago, unfortunately. Yeah. Of brain cancer. Um, and my sister was alone for 10 years. And then 12 years ago she knew Les, one of the guys on the trip, but she didn't know him socially. Anyway, we got them together and they're a team and have been for 12 years now. So this trip like came full circle and we're all like brothers and sisters, great friends. So last July, we decided to have a reunion of the seven of us and our spouses on Zoom. And, um, we put together, we collected. We found everybody and we collected, uh, photos and we put together a slideshow and we had so much fun recalling those days, 50 years in the past, which impacted all of our lives so tremendously. But it was all Queens College that made it happen.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1589.0,1746.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Yes, yes. That's great. I don't even know how to go away from that story. And back to...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1746.0,1750.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Well, let's go back because I know that's not what you're interested in, but it is a good story about living in Queens and Queens College,\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1750.0,1759.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: What life was like. I mean, the fact that you could hitchhike without too much fear, I guess.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1759.0,1767.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: And you could go places without having much money. And, you know, I don't remember being fearful. Um, you know, it was, it was special. Yeah. And eye-opening. You know, it was the time of our lives, where -- and college was -- where we were learning about ourselves. We were learning about other people who didn't come from our little circle. And, um, you know, it taught us a lot and made us reflect a lot or it did for me, because, you know, I've always been like that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1767.0,1804.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: If you remember, your house plan and the house plans in general, were they, the people in them, were they from different backgrounds? 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We recognized each other all those years later. Um, she was Jewish as well. So I, I just, the feeling I kind of, you know, most of the people I knew at Queens were Jewish. Um, I don't know if that's because I gravitated toward them or it was predominantly, you know, who went to school back in those days. It wasn't until I got out of school that I started opening up my social circle to, you know, other, um, people and ideas.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1822.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. So, when you were in Queens and you decided to go into education, where did you student teach?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1890.0,1899.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Um, I student taught in, uh, Belmont, I think it was. And in one other school. And it was the last, it was the end of, beginning of 1969. Right? When the protests began. So I was not on campus during that time, but I did, you know, I didn't go to campus, but I participated in several protests. Um, so I didn't have the experience that some of my friends had who were actually at the sit-ins and on campus. 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It just somehow disappeared.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=1966.0,1976.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Well, I think. What was it, Richie Branciforte was part of the founders, one of the founders of the concept? 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I believe.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=2032.0,2053.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Now, I guess though your house plan's house was out in Bayside. So you go there for a couple of hours between classes. Because one of the things I remember at least as a freshman, sophomore is registering -- and it wasn't online. So you had to stand on each line for, department's line for the class. And by the time it was your turn, the class you wanted wasn't open and you had to take what was open. So you'd have a schedule that was something like 8 in the morning, noon and 5 at night. And then these gaps. 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But I, to your point, I had 8 a.m. classes on the corner of Kissena and like the Expressway, kinda close to the Expressway. And then I had another class all the way down Melbourne. And, well, and the year we went to the Concord for a weekend, I broke my ankle in college and I didn't know what I was going to do. My father would take me to my 8 a.m. class, you know, on Parsons, on Kissena Boulevard, wait for me and then drive me. 'Cause they were right back to back and I would never have...And I'd hobble in with my crutches to the next class and then I had a break. So I could slowly walk around until, till it healed. But, you're right. I mean, we had a lot of time in between. Usually. 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You could sign up for them.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=2213.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Because they don't have anything like Rate Your -- they didn't have Rate Your Professor or whatever those sites are now. So, it was all word of mouth. But you knew which professors you wanted and which you didn't want. So, um, but you were stuck. 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And they were more involved in who you were as students than just their teaching their subject.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=2259.0,2264.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: I only remember the really bad ones from college.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=2264.0,2267.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Yeah. Well, I do remember the speech teacher, actually. 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It was huge. I think to this day, isn't it still known for its education? To be honest though, um, Rebecca, in hindsight, they did not prepare me well as a teacher.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=2334.0,2350.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: That's interesting, because that's what Susan said in her interview. She came, she said she was prepared to teach in a lovely little Long Island school and she got into some school -- was it on the Lower East Side? -- and was not prepared.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=2350.0,2365.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Well, I was assigned to the South Bronx, to Fort Apache. And there were so many problems. Not only, not only was it unsafe to go there, but the children had so many problems. So that behavior and discipline over, um, overtook everything. And you couldn't teach because you were dealing with so many emotional problems, but we weren't trained for that. And the principals didn't know how to help you either. And as it turned out, uh, several years after I graduated and stopped teaching -- I'm living in Los Angeles at the time -- I met a man who was doing teacher professional development in a program called Assertive Discipline. Lee Canter. And I went to work for him. Actually, he was a personal friend, but I worked for him for many years. And it kind of propelled me into the career that I retired from five years ago, um -- which was distance learning, uh, for not only for teachers, but in general. Online learning. Um, but he developed a program that was a, an answer to the '70s when everything was so laid back in schools and let the kids do whatever they need to do. And I used to go home and cry every night when I was first married. My husband couldn't, didn't know how to deal with me because I, I was, I didn't know, I couldn't go back the next day. I was like, terrified that I couldn't talk, get to these kids. I couldn't teach them anything. I did not know how to handle them. So, you know, in that respect, I think education has come much further. That we now know how...We know about social emotional learning. We know how to help kids. Not just teach them subjects, but first teach the child, the whole child. We know that now. We didn't know it then. And it wasn't that there wasn't the right intention. I don't know if the research wasn't there. I don't know what it was, but, uh, Queens College, even though it was known as a great teaching institution, it, it didn't really prepare us.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=2365.0,2496.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. But you, if you would, I know this is not a fair question, but if you would go back again. To go back now to then, would you have majored in education? I mean, your whole career has sort of been in learning and education?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=2496.0,2511.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Right. No, actually I -- well, my career has been in learning and education in a for-profit business sense. So I would have probably been a business major, because that's what I gravitate to do. And fortunately, I was able to parlay, um, my education background into a successful career for myself. But, um, yeah, I wouldn't. Because at the time -- maybe this was true for you, you had this similar experience -- you were either a teacher or a nurse when you were my age. You know, back in the '50s and '60s. That was it. There was no other mention of any other career path for young women in my situation, in my, uh, socioeconomic bracket so to speak. My parents didn't go to college. So to them being a teacher, was, you know, the epitome. My sister became a teacher also.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=2511.0,2578.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: I think I'm just that much younger than you, that things changed. Because I remember being in high school, probably a senior and all of a sudden everything changed. The Women's Movement came along and things changed. And it was sort of very hard mentally for all of us to go from this idea that, well, you'll get a job as a teacher because you can always go back when the kids are older and they'll, you'll have vacations with them, to the idea that, well, now you should go out and do and be something great. And I don't know that we, we all did it that well.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=2578.0,2623.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: And I experienced the Women's Movement after college. 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Which was bad then.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=2680.0,2680.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: She was on the second floor. And I was on the third floor and there was a staircase between us. And when we'd come home from our dates, we'd like call down to each other. It was so cool. We had so much fun. And we'd have people over at her place or people over at my place and we'd be back and forth. We had, it was a great two years or so. 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And it was a great couple of years until, um, I became pregnant and we moved to Fort Lee, New Jersey, before...And then, from there, we moved to Los Angeles in 1980. 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First of all, fortunately, I'm in New York a lot because the company I worked for for many years was, is based, used to. Well, I'm not there any longer, but was based in Baltimore. So I had to be on the East Coast. For 10 years I went like once a month. 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Right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=2807.0,2811.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: But the part -- Queens College, Queens is not.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=2811.0,2815.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: And one of these days, I think I should drive through the campus -- if you can. 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The Champagne Ball. Yeah, for sure. I definitely attended and had a special dress for that. Had a date. You know, it was, it was a big deal. And one year I didn't have a date, but there was this guy -- I didn't consider him a boyfriend. He was more interested in me than I was with him, but I wanted to go so badly I went with him. I won't mention names. [Laughs]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3027.0,3052.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. But I was thinking, after I read Susan's interview, and I was thinking about it the other day before. 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But I was just thinking, here she was. Because she was, she had skipped a few grades and she was very young when she entered college, she said. And here she was, she was 19 and she was running the Champagne Ball.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3197.0,3210.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Right. Well, she was such, um, she's such a terrific. She is such a terrific motivator. She is a motivating person. I mean, I really, I'm sorry I've lost touch with her over the years because she's a terrific gal. And, um, she and I had some really good times together. I mean, that trip to Europe was...I have a diary of it. 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That was our -- my first, um, yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3243.0,3248.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. That -- it was interesting because I got a, I think I got a good education at Queens College, but then I went to NYU for graduate school. And it was in art history. So, and I was with people who had gone to -- it's not so much the colleges, but the high schools they had gone to. They had gone to like Dalton and all of these really good high schools and the education and background they had, I couldn't touch.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3248.0,3282.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Exactly. Well, and I've worked with graduates of Harvard, Yale, Stanford, you know, you name it. And I never -- that was never in my wildest dreams to go to any place like that. It just wasn't who we were as a family. I mean, we didn't, we didn't think that way, whereas... But most of my friends, my contemporaries, aspire for, aspired for their kids to go to Ivy League schools. Um, it, you know, because we see the value of it. Although, they say today that, you know, it may not get you as far as just general education.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3282.0,3328.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: I wonder, because -- and I know I'm getting off-topic, but since you -- the cheating scandal with the. And I'm trying to figure it out, because I, to me, it seems like the benefit of going to these Ivy League schools -- because I had some professors at Queens who were, I would say, first-class professors. They may not have been great as teachers of someone who, you know, needed a lot of hand-holding maybe. But they were first-class professors. But the reason, it seemed to me, you go to these Ivy League schools is to make connections with people for the rest of your life. Now, the people in the cheating scandals, their parents could make those connections for them already. So I am still trying to figure out why.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3328.0,3382.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Well, you know, it's called -- it's all about status. You know, to be able to say, I went to this school or to say my kids go to this school. You know, you're talking about very wealthy people who, um, and celebrities who that matters to. The, the resume is more important than anything. What it says on paper more than who you are as a person or, or what you can really do. I think. I don't, I don't know. It shocked -- I thought it was absolutely shocking.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3382.0,3538.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. It just seems so unreal. So if I can ask? Your, your work with for-profit education companies, what did you do with them? What were they doing? Or...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3538.0,3434.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: So it started with teacher professional development, where I worked for an organization that first started doing workshops for teachers. And then started building distance learning courses for teachers. Then started doing online master's degrees for teachers.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3434.0,3456.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Were they among the first?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3456.0,3456.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: They were among the earliest. This was back in the '90s. And I was in product development. So I watched the evolution of online learning from the days of study guides and VHS tapes to DVDs to fully online and streaming media. And, that company was purchased in the late '90s by a company called Sylvan Learning Systems, which was tutoring. But Sylvan also then developed this higher ed component, which became Laureate Education. And they owned universities around the world. And it was really a fabulous -- I mean, it is a fabulous company. It still exists. It's changed significantly, but it's, it's, it definitely is a fabulous company. And I was in product development. So I had teams of people who worked with the universities to put their programs online. So we had people doing interviews just like we're doing now and editors who would edit and add graphics and, and intercut scenes of where, whatever the discipline was. You know, I parlayed from education into business degrees and criminal justice degrees. Social work and health and nursing, you know.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3456.0,3545.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. So thinking about it with the editing and whatever. So do you think that a really well-done distance learning course is probably more exciting and more impactful than a run-of-the-mill instructor teaching the same course?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3545.0,3564.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Well, I wouldn't say that. I mean, I think both can have the outcome if the course is well structured. What online does is provide accessibility to people who, especially working adults, who can't get to campus. And it also, if done well, affords a great deal more engagement than just sitting in a lecture hall. So, you know, the, the key to online learning is engaging students and not just lecturing to them. Like a Zoom video, don't watch it. To make them do things, because that's where learning takes place. It's in the doing.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3564.0,3614.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: So if I can ask? Now you're retired, so when the pandemic came and schools had to change over to distance learning, were you called upon to consult or you're...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3614.0,3627.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: Well, two years ago, two and a half years ago, I -- the retirement wasn't working for me. I didn't have enough to do, so my former colleague and I started a small consulting company. And the pandemic just like spiked, helped our business spiral. And last year we were so busy. We, we -- but it's to your earlier point, through networking. We don't even have a website or anything. We just, just, you know, connected to people who are hiring us to either K-12, higher ed, uh, produce courses, or do research in how to go online. Or, um, you know, look at, um, a variety of learning approaches that are innovative. So, uh, we've, we've done work here for the U.S. We've done work for, um, international companies as well. So we keep very busy, um, through this pandemic. And I don't think it's going to stop. Well, not us so much, but I think our experiences through the pandemic, which made people more aware of online learning and different forms of learning, will just continue, is my prediction. And it'll get better and better if more people get on board and the research continues.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3627.0,3716.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. OK. This is probably a great place to stop unless you have anything else...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3716.0,3721.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: OK. Oh, it's an hour already.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3721.0,3722.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Unless you have anything else you want us to know.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3722.0,3725.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: No. I mean, I think, um, I think I covered what I remember, you know, um, it was. Queens College was very good to me. That's all I can say.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3725.0,3747.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK, great. It's been wonderful meeting you and hearing about your experiences. And that trip and how Queens College brought you many things in life.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3747.0,3748.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nBarbara Schadlow: It really has.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3748.0,3749.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226/transcript/30610/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK. Bye-bye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/46213/file/119226#t=3749.0,3756.22398"}]}]}]}