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By Associated Press - The Herald-Palladium. Public Domain, Wikimedia Commons, \u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=131987713\"\u003ehttps://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=131987713\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSummary of Full Interview\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eJoyce Moy is the executive director of the Asian American / Asian Research Institute (AAARI), a scholarly research and resource center established in 2001 by the City University of New York (CUNY) that focuses on policies and issues affecting Asians and Asian Americans in four areas of coverage: Asian American Studies; East Asian Studies; South Asian Studies; and Trade and Technology Studies.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eMoy, whose parents immigrated to the United States from China, speaks about the history of immigration laws limiting the Asian population in the United States through the 1960s, witnessing the growth of the Asian population in Queens since the mid-to-late 20th century, and the rise of Asian American elected officials from Queens in New York City and New York State government in the 21st century. Additionally, Moy discusses the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on Asian Americans, including a rise in hate crimes, and the importance of increased political participation by Asian Americans as well as proper representation of Asian Americans in the media, government, and policy-making.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCC BY-NC-SA Contact digitalarchives@queenslibrary.org for research and reproduction requests.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["http://digitalarchives.queenslibrary.org/search/browse/42195"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Joyce Moy (Interviewee)","Melody Cao (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source"]},"value":{"en":["Interview recorded as part of the Queens Memory Podcast's 3rd Season: Our Major Minor Voices."]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["1960s-2021 (temporal)","Oakland Gardens, Bayside, Flushing, and Jackson Heights, Queens, NY; Chinatown, Manhattan, NY (spatial)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eClip 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Joyce Moy reflects on instances of scapegoating Asian communities in the United States. In particular, Moy highlights the killing of Vincent Chin in 1982 and the rise in hate crimes against Asians during the COVID-19 pandemic.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003ePhoto: Crowd of people march by Detroit's Renaissance Center in protest of the sentence of Vincent Chin's killers being too light, May 9, 1983. By Associated Press - The Herald-Palladium. Public Domain, Wikimedia Commons, \u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=131987713\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"\u003ehttps://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=131987713\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSummary of Full Interview\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eJoyce Moy is the executive director of the Asian American / Asian Research Institute (AAARI), a scholarly research and resource center established in 2001 by the City University of New York (CUNY) that focuses on policies and issues affecting Asians and Asian Americans in four areas of coverage: Asian American Studies; East Asian Studies; South Asian Studies; and Trade and Technology Studies.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eMoy, whose parents immigrated to the United States from China, speaks about the history of immigration laws limiting the Asian population in the United States through the 1960s, witnessing the growth of the Asian population in Queens since the mid-to-late 20th century, and the rise of Asian American elected officials from Queens in New York City and New York State government in the 21st century. 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Briefly?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=6.0,14.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: Uh, I'm Joyce Moy, the executive director of the Asian American Asian Research Institute at the City University of New York. I am the fourth generation of my family in the United States. I was the first generation born here. My great-grandfather my grandfather and my father were all immigrants from China.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=14.0,38.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Melody Cao: Do you still remember, when you were young, how was the life in Queens look like, thinking about Asian culture, Asian community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=38.0,47.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: Well, when I was a child, my grandfather owned a home in Queens. Uh, it was in Jackson Heights. So I remember visiting the family as well as living with my grandparents for some period of time. When we lived together, we lived with my aunt and uncle as well, and they had four children. So there were about seven of us all in the same generation running around, but there was a very tiny population of Asians in Queens. And at that time they would have been primarily Chinese. So the focus of our Chinese heritage and cultural heritage was still Manhattan's Chinatown. We would go down there weekly, in order for the family to meet other family members. The births were celebrated in Chinatown. Our weddings were celebrated in Chinatown and the oldest Chinese serving funeral home in Chinatown was of course also where we saw our families buried. So, again, the cultural life was primarily in Manhattan because there was just a tiny population of Asians in Queens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=47.0,129.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Melody Cao: Mm-hmm, but through the time you grow up, it changed, right? More and more Asian immigrants come to Queens. Can you share with us, um, some of your experience, see all these changes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=129.0,145.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: Oh, the change in terms of the Asian population in Queens is just extraordinary, from never bumping into somebody who is Asian to the point where you see Asians just about everywhere. There are Asian businesses, Asian restaurants, Asian clothing stores, uh, and, and again, it's extraordinary. When I first moved into the neighborhood that I live in now known as Oakland gardens, sometimes it's referred to as Bayside. There were no Asians around, I would get on the bus and there was nobody that I would meet who was Asian. But over the last 46 years, nearly everyone, I would say close to 90% of the people I meet on the bus commuting to work in the morning are Asian. My children, uh, went to school here from kindergarten through high school. And again, the student, the Asian student population was really large, I would say about 24% at that time. And now I'm being told that nearly 75% of the elementary school they attend is Asian. As a matter of fact, it's dual language now, both Chinese and English. And so it's, um, it's been heartening to watch that, you know, I recall walking through flushing when I was 15 and people told me to be very careful: crime was a on the rise; if you walked along the main commercial strip on main street, you would see that there were a lot of empty stores. And the area was definitely facing a challenge, you know, but by the 1980s, you began to see a large influx of, of Asians to this area. Uh, it started with the Indians in the late sixties and seventies. And then we began to see more and more Chinese and Koreans moving into the area. The movement of Asians into the area completely revitalized the area. It is a thriving, prosperous, commercial area. It's one of the largest commercial areas in all of New York City. And it has become both a cultural center, not just for the Asian community, but also for many people visiting New York, coming to flushing is a must see, as well as of course, drawing from Asian communities throughout the tri-state area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=145.0,311.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Melody Cao: Mm-hmm. So you've already mentioned what, you know, those Asian immigrants brought to, Queens, so in your memory, you know, do you remember the things that happen that kind of change the whole vibe, the whole environment that you lived?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=311.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: Yeah, I was really excited and struck by the fact that the first Asian American elected to the New York state legislature was from Flushing. His name was Jimmy Meng and he is the father of our, a Congresswoman Grace Meng. But Flushing and Queens in general has become a major hub for political coalescence and awareness. So many of the very first Asians holding political office did come from Queens. So for example, John Liu was the first Asian American member of the New York city council. And it's interesting to note that Jimmy Meng was an immigrant. Uh, John Liu came here when he was five. He was also an immigrant. Later on, he became the New York City Controller, again, the first Asian American to hold citywide office. And he is currently the first, among the first, New York state senators who is of Asian heritage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=330.0,398.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: The other person is Kevin Thomas from Long Island who is of South Asian heritage, but, you know, I can go on and on. In the New York State Assembly, the very first Korean American elected to the State Assembly is Ron Kim also from Queens. And he apparently immigrated to the US when he was seven. And then there's Peter Koo who has served three terms in the New York City Council; Rhonda Binda, who is our current Deputy Borough President is Indo- Guyanese. She has the Caribbean heritage as well as the South Asian heritage. Before Rhonda, there was a Deputy Borough President who actually became Interim Borough President. That was Sharon Lee. So she was the first Asian American to hold Borough-wide office in Queens, and the first Korean American to do so. And now we find that even more exciting is that we have the first two Indian American representatives to the New York State Assembly. And that's Zohran Mondan who represents Astoria. And then we have Jenifer Rajkumar who is in district 28 [should be 38] and represent the middle Queens area just adjacent to Brooklyn. And we're finding in city council as well. There's Sandra Ong, who's also from Queens and there's Linda Lee. Who's also from Queens. So, I mean, we are just, so blessed in many ways, but there's something special about Queens that I think has helped people see the need to serve the community. There have been lots of organizations, nonprofits, charitable organizations, religious organizations that I think have helped to propel these people into thinking about public serve of this. So that's one of the things that makes Queens very unique. You know, it is a borough of communities and the communities have spawned or given birth to these amazing leaders of Asian heritage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=398.0,538.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Melody Cao: I think we do see, you know, a passion about running to office, to serve public in Asian community these years. Do you remember when did that happen and, you know, compare the the past, how is the Asian community's perspective towards political office before compares the perspective right now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=538.0,571.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: Well, I think that part of the problem in terms of the early years was that Asians had been excluded so long in terms of the civic process in this country. So you may know about the Asian, the Chinese exclusion act in particular, you have to remember that in the early years of Asian migration, it was primarily Chinese. So Asians were not permitted to become citizens, under the, 1882 Chinese exclusion act. And as a matter of fact, at one point, um, a Chinese person that was born in the United States was also precluded from re-entering the country, and the Chinese community took that case to the US Supreme court and established the rule very firmly that anyone born in the United States is a US citizen, but this law excluding Chinese from becoming us citizens stayed in the fact until 1943.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=571.0,637.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: Now that may sound like a long time ago to a young person, but when I look at it from the perspective of my lifetime, my great-grandfather my grandfather, even my father were not permitted to become US citizens. So when they talked about home, they talked to about China because America did not treat them as if they were part of this country. And even someone like me who is born here, who sounds like a New Yorker, is often told to go back to China, go home to China. Well, I have a very strong emotion connection to the country of China, because that is where my family is from. And I've had the good fortune of being able to visit. And I've also had the pride of watching China become a world power. When I was a child, China was referred to as the sick man of Asia, a country to be looked down upon, the colonialism, and that perspective, the same thing with India, you know, and many of the other Asian countries like Korea. That whole thing has changed, but it is the Chinese exclusion act in particular and as well as, you know, the immigration laws that prevented the Japanese from becoming citizens, stopped immigration from China, Japan, and India, for example. That prevented us from really taking full act, you know, full in this country, because even I growing up in the, this country did not think of myself as American. I thought of myself as Chinese. The reason is because the culture treated me like I was not American. So I find it really interesting that for us in New York, many of the very first Asian Americans to be elected to public office were immigrants. And perhaps that is because they did not have the stigma or the history that the long time Asians had. And although they might have been aware of it, it didn't affect their perspective, the way that it might have affected the perspective of the long time Asian American communities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=637.0,783.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: That is not to say that there have not been representatives in other states, you know, somebody like Gary Locke, the various elective officials in Hawaii and California, but on the east coast, I think it did have its impact. So I'm very happy to see this new development, but I also must say that the Asian immigrants who are coming here and they are the majority of Asians at this point, 71% of New York City’s Asians are foreign born. They have never known their country to be anything but a superpower. And that's a very different mindset. You come here believing that you can strive and you can grow and you can achieve, and that you can impact. So it's a very different, both psychological and aspirational difference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=783.0,842.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Melody Cao: That's very insightful. I totally agree with you. Like me, I guess. I came here pursuing my master degree. My family was in Shanghai so they have all the financial support for me. I came here, I found a job .It looks like it's, you know, very easy. And as you said, China, economically and politically, it’s been doing very well, but I guess in the pandemic, it was like the first downtime I've experienced. Maybe it's not, uh, compared to, you know, the early age, when Chinese immigrant came here, they've been through a lot. But the pandemic time also give me a chance to reconsider about Asian immigrants. How should we see ourselves? So can you tell us a little bit about your experience during the pandemic time? How is the life like for Asian in Queens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=842.0,913.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: Yeah, I think it's been definitely very difficult for everyone, but the Asian American community has been impacted in a way that I think people don't realize. 66% of Asians are essential workers. And I cannot tell you how upset I was when I heard that some of our family friends were threatened on their way to work to save people's lives. They were on their way to work at a hospital, and they were threatened. When you hear about the fact that only 4% of the nurses in the United States are Filipino, but 32% of the nurses that died were Filipino. You really begin to see how this has impacted the community. Also the falsehoods and exaggerations about the coronavirus had a big impact on Asian American businesses as well. People stopped going to Chinatown, to Flushing and so on. And many of the mom and pop shops found it very very difficult to survive because they depend on foot traffic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=913.0,994.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: These are not online businesses. You know, we're talking about dumpling stores and dry cleaners and things like that in many of the Korean communities. And so it's had a devastating impact. I think, you know, one of the things that is always interesting to me is how the information is not presented in, I think, in an objective way. Whether you agree or not that the coronavirus started in China, whether you agree or not, that China did not do what it should have done to warn the rest of the world. The fact of the matter is 800,000 Americans died because of the failure of American leadership to protect us. And that is the problem. I think people do not place the blame where it ought to be placed with respect to this country. So let me just give you another example of this kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=994.0,1060.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: There was the case of Vincent Chin, which you might have heard of where there was a Chinese American. He was 27 years old and he was out celebrating his wedding. He was about to be married. At that time, the auto industry in the us was suffering. And part of that was because they were not competitive with the Japanese auto industry. The American business leaders in the auto sector failed to keep us competitive. These two auto workers saw Vincent Chin and they beat him to death. This is a 27 year old young man. They killed him. And the courts made these two killers paid $3,000 and they served no time in jail. That was the worth of a Chinese person's life, $3,000. And again, the Asians were scapegoated the way that they are being scapegoated with COVID. The auto industry failed because with the failure of American business and business leaders, not because the Japanese came here and stole our jobs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1060.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: When many of our manufacturing jobs in the United States went to China and to other parts of Asia and now even to Africa and so on, it is because the American business leaders chose to have our manufacturing done in China. As a matter of fact, that included Donald Trump and his daughter who has patents and trademarks in China. It is a decision of American business people to do this. The Chinese cannot come here. The Indians cannot come here. The Africans cannot come here and take your jobs away. It was American business leadership that made the decision to create greater profits for their investors. And if you look at it, the low cost manufacturing in Asia has helped to sustain the American lifestyle. Okay? So you can purchase home goods, kitchen appliances, baskets, you know, clothes hangers, what have you, at low cost and sustain your standard of living because of the Asian cost of production.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1140.0,1215.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: There is not enough insight, not enough analytical discussions about what is truly happening. So again, even if you agree that China is where the Coronavirus began, the deaths of in this country are not a result of China, it is a result of the failure of American leadership. And we have to hold our people accountable, and we have to present the picture clearly so people understand what's going on. Because if we don't, the Asian community is going to be continued to be scapegoated. And these hate crimes that we're seeing is going to be increased. You know, as a Chinese mother, as an Asian mother, grandmother, I am extremely upset about this. When I go out into the street and I walk around, I look to see who's in front of me, who's behind me, and who's on the side of me. As an Asian American mother and grandmother, I worry that my children will be out one day with their babies and somebody will shove them into the street. But these experiences are very important, because it helps connect us to other people. You know, when I worry about my children being threatened like that, I really come to understand why black lives matter. If I were a black, a mother of a black child, I would be very worried that an encounter with a stranger would mean that my child was arrested like that young boy in the hotel who was accused of stealing somebody's phone when he had nothing to do with it. Why?  Simply because he was black, there's no doubt about it in my mind. So we have to learn from these incidences, all of our communities have to learn. We as Asians cannot be isolated. And I'm happy to see that our young political leaders understand the need to build coalitions. When you see somebody like John Liu, John Liu has always been a forefront, building coalitions and relationships with other minority communities and with all communities, religious communities, the Jewish community, with young people, with women and so on. We have to understand that. And I think that when we understand each other and each other's histories,  we will then be able to fight for a better life for all of us in this country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1215.0,1375.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Melody Cao: So it kind of lead to this topic of anti-Asian movement we've seen early this year. What's your perspective about this movement? What do you think it will bring us? Would it bring us some change or it's gonna stay the same?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1375.0,1391.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: I think that it will bring change. I will tell you that from the point of view of an educator, I have been asked by many, many organizations this year to present information about the Asian American community. People want to learn more about us. I think they also want to be supportive in ways that they can. It's interesting to me that there are many communities that carry stereotypes, or frankly, many people in power and in leadership don't know Asians at all. They may not have Asian friends. Although they have Asians at work with them, they have not gotten to know these people. And so, as a result, I think that as unfortunate and as painful as the attacks on Asians has been, it has opened up some opportunities for us to have these dialogues with other communities, but it has also coalesced the Asian American movement as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1391.0,1459.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: You know, the killing of Vincent Chin had an impact on the younger generation. And a lot of those people are now in power or are now in leadership positions. So for example, Frank Wu, who's the president of Queens College said that the killing of Vincent Chin was a big turning point in his thinking about civil rights and about the rights of Asians in this country. And so the current hate crimes are also beginning to spur young minds and young leadership. And I think that in the end, it's gonna have a very strong and powerful impact providing that we learn from this, and we don't forget it. We can't let this pass and then think everything is okay again, because it's not, if it's not you, it's another group and we owe it to each other to make sure it does not happen to someone else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1459.0,1518.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Melody Cao: So during early this year, as part of the Stop Asian Hate movement, you had a lot of lecture. I participated in some lecture as well. It's about media people, journalists. There was one that give me—I was really impressive about the topic that there's not many real Asian stories in the, so called, main street media. What do you think of that? How do you see the gap between the real Asian community that we are living in and the Asian people/figures on the media?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1518.0,1572.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: Yeah. So like, again, you have to realize that the Asian community is fairly new to this country, you know, because people don't realize that before 1965, when the immigration laws changed only 105 Chinese were allowed to come into this country a year. So, as I was growing up, I never saw another Chinese person unless I went to Chinatown, only a hundred Indians were allowed to come in similar numbers for other Asian countries as well. So when the law changed in 1965, it took at least five years for the pipeline to fill. So beginning in the 1970s, you began to see larger numbers of Asians, of all ethnic groups. And it takes a while for you to come here and establish yourself and then get into these industries. So if you think about a generation as 30 years, which is how we've generally thought about it in the past, if they've only gotten here in 1970, that means by the year 2000, we're starting to see significant numbers in various industries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1572.0,1640.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: And we're beginning to see a lot of Asians represented in, if you look at the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, the Atlantic Magazine, it's amazing the number of Asians that are writing for these papers. So I think we're beginning to see the representation, but it's taken time. So again, about a third of the folks in this country, Asians in this country have been here about, you know, or more than 30 years. Another third have only been here about 20 years and another third, approximately 10 years, when you first get here, your first job is to put food on the table and try to establish yourself. So I think we are on the cusp of beginning to see this, but also, you know, in the past, as I grew up, one of the things I used to hate and I still hate is when I see non-Asians writing about the Asian communities, it's always of about us being exotic or being a unusual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1640.0,1705.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: In other words, weird, if you were to use teenage terms, you know, saying there's something different about us. You know what, I'm not that different than anybody else, you know, and I find it very upsetting. I remember years ago, I was interviewed by a reporter from one of the major newspaper papers about Asian American businesses. And she chose to focus on herbal businesses. And what she wanted to know was about bear gallbladders in one of the Asian herbal businesses, because that's the kind of thing that would stick in a reader's mind. And they would look at you as weird people that eat gallbladders, you know, bear gallbladders. I had to remind her that Americans ate squirrels and bear and turtles and snakes, and we still do in this country, and alligator, but the focus was on exotic things from Asia. And there tends to, to be that sort of perspective, particularly with, I hate to say it, some of the older writers who have never experienced Asians in the way that they are experienced now, because there were very few of us when they were growing up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1705.0,1785.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Melody Cao: Like you said, there are some stereotypes, some misunderstandings of the Asian community. Is there any other misunderstanding you can see in the media, like you mentioned, when we think about Asian, we think about Chinese or Korean, is there any other [misunderstanding] you can talk about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1785.0,1813.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: Well, I mean, if you look at the Asian population, only in America are the Chinese, the Koreans, the Japanese, the same as the Tibetans, the Burmese, the, the Indians, the Pakistanis, and the Bangladeshis, because this is an artificial category that's been created by the US Census, right? So in terms of New York City alone, if you look at who is considered Asians, it's over 30 ethnicities who speak 50 different languages. And even within specific ethnicities, like the Chinese community, we have multiple dialects, even though they're supposed to be a national language of Mandarin. Frankly, what still continues to happen is that people from certain regions really hang onto the dialect that are spoken in that region, like people who speak Cantonese, Shanghainese, and the Beijing form of Mandarin. I mean, you can hear the difference when somebody from Beijing speaks Mandarin, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1813.0,1874.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: So I think that that's something that people don't understand that we're not monolithic. The other thing is because the ethnic groups are so large,the differences in ethnic groups can be really large, both in terms of language, social-economic status, education, and occupations and so on. I think people tend to see us as one large group with very little problems because of the model minority myth. But in fact, some of the highest rates of poverty among seniors is in the Asian community. Some of the highest rates of child poverty are in some of the Asian communities. And so it's important for us to disaggregate or break up data, so people can understood and the communities better and then help to serve these communities better. Right now, many ethnic groups have their own community organizations that serve them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1874.0,1935.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: Also, we have seen that Asian community organizations get less of the resources from New York City. And it's not equal to the population of Asians in this country. So I must say that there are many Asian American community groups that have called attention to this and have been fighting for a greater portion of the resources to make sure that our communities are taken care of and are properly represented when it comes to allocation of resources, particularly in New York City. I have to say that whenever I talk about that fight for an equal share or a fair share of resources, I always hear people say, my father worked so hard and we didn't do that. And we did all right. And I say to these people, I'm sorry that your father had to suffer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1935.0,1994.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: I wish that your community also got the resources they deserved so that your family didn't have to suffer, you know, so that this idea that because they suffered, you should suffer and you shouldn't get any help is crazy to me.That's a whole different point. But part of it is because they see immigrants as these people that just come here and take. What they don't see is the amazing contributions of Asian and other immigrants to this country. I mean, and to the City in particular, the economic vitality of this City, and many of its communities and neighborhoods and its businesses really is because of immigrants.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=1994.0,2041.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Melody Cao: I always have this question in my mind. How did you choose the career to be, you know, focused in Asian American? What trigger you to put your research focus on this population?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=2041.0,2058.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: I grew up as in this country as really being one of, I would find in my classes that I was the only Asian, as I was growing up. And when I was in high school, I went to a high school that was predominantly black. And the first time I ever saw a picture Mao Zedong was in the center fold of the black Panther paper. The first time I ever saw a picture of Kim Il-Sung, who was the head of Korea, at the time North Korea, at the time was in the center fold of the black Panther paper. And I went home and I asked my father, who is this guy, Mao Zedong? He was the leader of the largest country in the world. And I had not known that. I was very upset. And I remember that every time I said to my father, I'm American, my father would say, you're not, look in the mirror, you are Chinese.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=2058.0,2116.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: Nobody accept you as American. So I became very, very conscious of my identity and the fact that I was different. And as I began to learn about the discrimination and the oppression of African Americans, I began to also learn about the same thing that happened to the Asians in this country. And in fact to the Latino-Hispanic populations as well. So it was important for me to try to give a platform to people to educate the world about what's happening in our communities here in the United States, as well as connecting it to the communities around the world. You know, it's important for us to understand that there's diaspora from China to countries other than the US. And then from those countries they may come here. For example, there are a lot of Koreans that went from Korea to Latin America or south America, and then came to us and we have to understand how all of this continues to work together. But I would say that it is my experience as a child and understanding that even though my family had been here for a long time time, we were not considered American. We were others. And that's something that did not sit well with me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=2116.0,2208.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Melody Cao: So for people who maybe want to know Asian American community after the anti-Asian hate movement, Or the people like me, you know, start to reconsider what life I should have as an Asian immigrant in this country, in US. Do you have any words to them? What do you wanna tell them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=2208.0,2243.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: I say that the us offers amazing opportunities to people, but we have to increase our political participation and hold people accountable. We also have to make sure that we become properly represented in the media, in government and policy making so that our concerns are also at the table. One of the things I find is that if there's not an Asian at the table, when policy is being discussed, they usually don't discuss it. And I have found that to be the case in the world of higher education, in politics, in even setting up a library, you know. So those are the kinds of things that I think is important. And I would say to you that I know that this experience has made a lot of Asians question whether they want to stay here, whether they can really build a life here or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=2243.0,2313.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434/transcript/61200/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Joyce Moy: And I believe you can. The problem is not you, the problem really is the people who don't understand and are not thinking things through also, you know, when you go through a period that is as tough as COVID has been, there's a lot of anger that's built up insde. And unfortunately when there's that kind of anger, it's easy to scapegoat people. So I would say to my Asian American colleagues and neighbors, don't get discouraged. There is a place for you. We are here, we are here to stay. We're not going anywhere. And we've made our contributions to this country. We helped to build this country and we continue to help build this country. We deserve to be here just like everyone else. And I say to you, don't get discouraged by this unfortunate, you know, large episode of hate that's been named at us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1826/collection_resources/112827/file/215434#t=2313.0,2381.544"}]}]}]}