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OK. It's March 23rd, 2000. Sorry, I'm gonna start again. \u003claugh\u003e Wrong day. It's March 29th, 2023. And today I'm going to be interviewing Dr. Patricia Allaire for the Queensborough Community College Mathematics and Computer Science Retired Faculty Oral History Project. So, welcome Pat. Thank you for agreeing to be interviewed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Oh, thanks, Pat. Glad I can help.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=30.0,32.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: I guess we'll start, you know, with just what, whatever you would, if you'd like to say something about your early life and were you interested in mathematics growing up? Anything you'd like to say about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=32.0,46.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Well, let's see. I was never a great fan of arithmetic. Algebra wasn't so bad, but boy, when I hit geometry, the old two-column proof, statement and reason, I was in heaven. And talking to other people, apparently, that's the moment a lot of us really got interested in math. That, that very logical part.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=46.0,64.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm. \u003caffirmative\u003e.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=64.0,65.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: So then through high school and college. Well, actually, when I went to register at Fordham, they said, \"Well, the math majors you get on this line and everybody else get on that line.\" And I wasn't sure whether I wanted to be a French major or a math major, but I picked the math major line, and the rest is history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=65.0,83.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. Why'd you decide on Fordham?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=83.0,86.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Well, I did get a full tuition scholarship, so that helped.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=86.0,91.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, right. That's important. \u003claugh\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=91.0,93.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah. And, I don't know. It just, it looked like it had what I wanted. That, you know, whatever a 17-year-old knows what they want. But it looked like the right place for me at the time; and it worked out well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=93.0,105.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. Do you remember any faculty that you worked with at Fordham that you were particularly...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=105.0,110.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Well, I was at the small School of Ed, which was down at 302 Broadway. That's now an African American burial ground site [African Burial Ground National Monument]. Fordham is now up in Lincoln Center. So it was a very small math department. \u003claugh\u003e A few adjunct -- people that I realize now were adjuncts plus really, essentially one full-time math faculty member whom I had for most of my 36 math credits. Richard Kirby, it's funny to remember. Yeah. I mean, this goes back a way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=110.0,144.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. It goes back quite some time. So, and you graduated in 1962?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=144.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=150.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Did you go to work from there or did you want or...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=150.0,154.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I taught in New York City high schools for a while. And then I started working on my master's. And I had my children, and then I was home with the kids for a while. Then I started at Queensborough. I was an adjunct and then became full-time and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=154.0,172.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: So when you were at Queens, when you were at Queens College, you were teaching by day? You were taking night classes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=172.0,177.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I, well, let's see. The first, I first started full-time, at what was then Manual Training High School which now became John Jay [Educational Campus]. And then I was at Brooklyn Tech for a full semester, and I was at Hunter College High School for a full semester. And then I did a lot of substitute teaching while I was working on the master's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=177.0,199.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: I see. OK. Since, we ask people who were at Queens College at the time, in the '60s, do you remember there was a lot of, you know, civil unrest at the time? You remember student protests going on at the time at Queens College, or you weren't really around to witness that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=199.0,216.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: No, I guess I was too busy surviving at that point. I dropped -- I was taking as a graduate course, the only course I ever dropped in my entire life. It was a programming course in the very early days of computer science. This would've been probably about 1968, between children. And you had, you had to make up a bunch of punchcards and then find time in the computer lab. And meanwhile, I was pregnant and sick as a dog. And, \"Eh, computers!\" You know, what's that? So that was, that's the only course I ever dropped in my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=216.0,253.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: And that's what computer science was back then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=253.0,256.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah. Punchcards that heaven forbid you don't drop them on the way to the lab and that you could actually have time to feed them through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=256.0,265.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: So you got your degree at Queens College in '69. Did you then go back to work from there, or...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=265.0,272.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I was home with my kids full-time until about, sometime in the, I guess in the mid- to late '70s. Then I started adjuncting at Queensborough. [Ed. note: Allaire started teaching at Queensborough in 1978.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=272.0,282.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. Were you adjuncting anywhere else, or just Queensborough?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=282.0,287.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: No, just Queensborough. It was just, it was kind of by chance. You know, somebody suggested, \"Oh, why don't you see about teaching a course or two there?\" And I did. And I got a course and Juliana Corn became my mentor and lifesaver. That was the early days of calculator use in MA-114 [Technical Mathematics]. And so, she taught me everything I know, as they say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=287.0,312.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: And she was the chair back then, I think, back in the '80s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=312.0,316.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: No, she just became chair when I first...I think, Helga Schwartz, if I remember correctly, was chair when I was actually hired. But by the time I was working, it was Juliana, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=316.0,328.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. All right. So you were adjuncting at Queensborough. \u003ccoughs\u003e Excuse me. So you eventually started doing your doctoral studies at Adelphi. How did you decide to do that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=328.0,346.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: There was a time when there was something going on with the city financials; I never really knew. But I think there was a retirement incentive. That's what it was. Six people in the Math Department took retirement incentives. And what we were told was those positions were going to be filled. Nobody told us when. I mean, we just assumed \"filled\" was going to be soon; it didn't mean that. But I thought, \"Oh, I could, I would like to have one of those full-time.\" But I knew I needed to be in a doctoral program. And in talking to Sylvia Svitak, I heard about the Adelphi program. The D.A. program there was exactly the right program for me. And so I started at Adelphi and kept going. And by the time I got the full-time job, I had the doctorate. So we considered this the accidental doctorate. It took so long for me to actually be hired that I finished the doctorate. \u003claugh\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=346.0,401.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Who did you work with at Adelphi and what, what was your interest?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=401.0,405.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Well, ultimately I worked with Rob Bradley. My interest up front, I think, probably I was interested more in number theory. But then I sort of started drifting toward the history, which I never took at Adelphi. I had taken that as an undergrad at Fordham, and also at Queens College. But somehow then the history started -- you know, bits of history started sneaking in. And then Mona Fabricant pointed out to me that there was a special program, one funded by the MAA [Mathematical Association of America] and NSF [National Science Foundation], the Institute of the History of Mathematics and its Use in Teaching [IHMT]. And she said, \"Why don't you apply?\" So I did; I was accepted to that. That was at, it started in 1995 at American University in Washington for three weeks that summer. And there I found it. I started to zero in on an area of history that really seemed fascinating to me. At that point it was [William Rowan] Hamilton, but Hamilton had been done to death. But I had passed my prelims [examinations] at Adelphi. Rob said, \"Go off to this thing. Find, you know, just enjoy it. Find it, see if you find the topic.\" And he helped me zoom in on another mathematician of the period, Duncan Gregory.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=405.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Hmm. And that was your dissertation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=480.0,484.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Duncan Gregory and British Symbolic Algebra was my dissertation topic. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=484.0,490.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. I know Rob for me, as well, was very influential and helpful in getting me through the program. I think he was...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=490.0,497.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Oh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=497.0,498.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. He was very forceful getting you to finish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=498.0,502.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: \u003claugh\u003e Yeah! Well, I think we were there in the dark days of Adelphi, so it behooved us to get through. 'Cause we didn't know where things were going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=502.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. It seemed like they weren't sure where the program was going. So they wanted to, whoever was there, they wanted to get them to finish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=510.0,517.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=517.0,520.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: So once you, once you got the doctorate, that enabled you to be hired at Queensborough for the positions that were becoming available?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=520.0,527.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yes, the position became available. Eventually, I was hired as a substitute one semester [Fall 1992] and I don't know exactly how it fits with the, I can't remember exactly when I became full-time [ed. note: Fall 1997]. I finished the degree in '97. I'm really not sure whether I was, had the full-time position when I was ABD or whether it, whether it, you know, it actually happened after I completed the degree. I really don't remember for sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=527.0,555.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: But getting the degree, being in the program, enabled you to be hired, you know, full-time at Queensborough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=555.0,561.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah. Then I, then I was in the, you know, in the tenure track. So I guess I must have had the degree because I was never Instructor. I was hired as an Assistant [Professor]. So...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=561.0,571.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: I was hired as an Instructor in '98 since I was getting my degree in the summer of '98. So I was, I spent the semester as an Instructor, I think, before I moved on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=571.0,581.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: And I never actually had the title Instructor, I don't think. So I must have actually finished before and became full-time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=581.0,588.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Alright. So then, once you were full-time, how did that change? What sort of position, what sort of role did you, you know, take on for the department being a full-timer as opposed to what you were otherwise able to do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=588.0,601.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Well, even as a part-timer, I really tried to be active in the department. I used to go to the department meetings and, you know, kind of keep in touch with people. I had office space, which was over in the other side of the, you know, off from the department office on the other side of the building. So it let me be in contact with other members of the department. I remember Sylvester Reese would say to me along the way, \"You know, don't get distracted by what looks interesting in your math, just focus on getting that dissertation done.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=601.0,632.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm. \u003caffirmative\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=632.0,632.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: This from Sylvester who got interested in so many things, \u003claugh\u003e and he never did that, get his doctorate. But, so I got to, you know, I knew people by then. I'd been active in the, tried to be active in the department and, you know, so of course it's full-time. Then you have other responsibilities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=632.0,648.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm. \u003caffirmative\u003e Yeah. And the bigger teaching load. How many credits was it back then? Was it, it was 27, I think. [Ed. note: It was 30 credits.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=648.0,654.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah. What saved our necks is that some of those things were five-credit, five-hour courses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=654.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yes. Mm-hmm. \u003caffirmative\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=660.0,661.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: So that we didn't, we didn't wind up with nine courses for 27 hours.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=661.0,666.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: What sort of courses did you find yourself teaching now that you had a larger say in what you taught?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=666.0,672.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Well, when I started we were doing MA-010 [Elementary Algebra] in mods. And so, I had had a good deal. Occasionally I'd get a MA-007, 008 [A \u0026 B versions of 010] in mods [modules]. I had a MA-114, I remember, early in the game because that's when Juliana, you know, was... Now I forget, I forget exactly what was adjunct and what was as full-time. 'Cause I was adjunct for a lot of years, from '78 to, into the '90s. You know, and so then of course I started picking up the usual, the business courses [MA-240, MA-250: Mathematics for Business and Economics I, II]. The, what was it? Well, we had the 114, 115 tech courses, 120 [College Algebra \u0026 Trigonometry]. And then they, let's add the nursing courses [MA-009: Mathematics for Nursing Students], you know, where the favorite line always was, \"But professor, only the decimal point was wrong.\" For which my response always was, \"Yes, and the patient died.\" And then I always liked the liberal arts math course 301 [Foundations of Mathematics] and 303 [Number Systems], because they weren't a prerequisite for anything else. So you could really, you know, you could teach what you thought was important and try to send out some non-math-phobic people. \u003claugh\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=672.0,744.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. So how did you find, you know, from '78 into, you know, being a full-timer, how did you find the student body was changing? Do you feel the students were changing or...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=744.0,758.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I wasn't finding so much changes then; it was later in the game that I, you know, when I, as I was getting nearer to retirement, that I was finding more of the changes. Excuse me. Let's see this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=758.0,772.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[The interview was interrupted at this point because the interviewee received an important phone call.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=772.0,773.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I'm sorry, I lost track of what I was telling you about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=773.0,775.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: We're just talking about if the students changed over the years from the '70s...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=775.0,778.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I found that they, toward the end, that there was a heavier emphasis on grades. And students would drop a course if they weren't getting an A in it. They, I don't know. The dynamic felt different. It just, it's hard to put my finger on. I'm trying to think just what I... I just remember having some very enthusiastic, hard-working, struggling people earlier in the game. And I, and although they were still there later, there was less of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=778.0,815.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=815.0,815.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: There was much more a utilitarian, I want my course, I want my grade, I want my piece of paper, I want out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=815.0,822.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm. \u003caffirmative\u003e How did you see remediation change over the years? We had a lot of courses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=822.0,830.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Well, when we had mods, of course, students had to, you know, would master a particular mod before moving on. And I kind of thought that wasn't so bad because if they got, I mean, you know full well, if you get stuck at the beginning of something, it's pretty hard to recoup. So if it took a student a few shakes to get past, say, the algebra, the early algebra stuff before they had to move to dealing with factoring and fractions and all that other stuff, I didn't think that was so bad. But I know that, that went by the by while I was still there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=830.0,863.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: It's sort of since changed. We've sort of pushed away from remediation. Now, our big thing is corequisite courses where students are getting the remediation combined with a credit course so they can get a little bit of credit along with doing the remediation they need. That's become a big thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=863.0,882.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: If it works, then that's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=882.0,884.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: We've had some success and at least the students are getting credits, is the thought, instead of just the non-credits.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=884.0,893.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah. I always thought, maybe, if they got even a single credit for a remedial course, it might discourage that, \"Just get the passing grade and get out.\" So if they could get a single credit that had a grade attached, there might be some reason to do more than just what you have to do to pass.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=893.0,910.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=910.0,911.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: So I feel, and that may be part of what's behind what's happening now. So, I was a woman ahead of my time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=911.0,920.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: You were deputy chair for a few years [1999-2002] as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=920.0,923.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=923.0,925.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: And how do you, what was your role with that? What did you do as deputy chair?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=925.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: A lot of it was the, what should we call it? Some of the day-to-day dealings with students who came in with issues. A big part of it was to do the adjunct schedule. You know, the adjunct schedule, and I did that thing. I don't think I did full-time scheduling. I really don't remember for sure. And we had huge numbers of adjuncts in those days. I don't know what it is now. So...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=930.0,953.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: A hundred. About a hundred now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=953.0,955.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: OK. Well, then it hasn't changed. And, you know, it was matter of making it work for everybody, trying to fit in with the adjuncts who were trying to put together a living, teaching in more places than one and needed their health insurance, along with the needs of the department and the scheduling and the rooms that were available. So, Mona and I would spend many a Labor Day weekend on the phone finding adjuncts to get our courses covered properly. That's, that is the part I remember most of being deputy. And some of it was just the daily dealing of the students who came in, you know, with, \"My professor doesn't understand me.\" Or, you know, \"How come I failed when I got a 53 on the final?\" You know, the usual day-to-day questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=955.0,1003.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. I remember when I was deputy chair sometime after you a few years. And there was, a large part of it was the scheduling. That was the biggest thing. The fall and spring scheduling was a big part of it. So you were in the P\u0026B [department Personnel \u0026 Budget five-person committee] as well, I'm sure, as part of it also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1003.0,1022.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1022.0,1023.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: That has its own set of responsibilities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1023.0,1026.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yes. I mean that, the hiring responsibilities that, and the decision always had to be made: \"What are we looking for?\" Are we looking for a heavy-duty researcher, or are we looking for somebody whose primary interest is in teaching undergrads? 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Yeah, that probably would've been a conflict.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1091.0,1094.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1094.0,1096.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: So, were there other committees, that for, either for the college or the university that you remember working with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1096.0,1106.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I worked on the Affirmative Action Committee for awhile. I was the liaison from the Math Department to the Tech Prep Program. So that was that Saturday morning program that students from high school were brought in. And I guess it was kind of a transitional program. And so I, you know, my job was to keep that working and smooth and get in there on Saturdays and make sure everything was going OK in that department. So I was, I did that for quite some time. That seemed like an important thing to me. And of course there was always the assorted department committees; you know that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1106.0,1147.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. The usual duties. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1147.0,1149.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: And I was on the Course and Standing Committee for several semesters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1149.0,1154.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, yes. That's, that's where you vote on WUs and reinstating students and grades. Is that grade appeals as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1154.0,1163.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Sorry?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1163.0,1163.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Is that grade appeals or more reinstating students and WU appeals?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1163.0,1171.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: At the time it was us, it was a lot of the WUs and stuff like that. Some grade appeals. But the big thing seemed to be just, you know, the dealing with the, what was happening with the incoming freshmen and stuff. The newer students and what kind of slack they were going to be cut. And I was always uncomfortable. What seemed to me was that a student who withdrew was in a better position to maintain his standing at the college than the student [who] just stuck it out through the course. And, you know, my feeling always is, if you have students having trouble, hear it through, so that next time you go back to the course, you're going to hear the whole thing through again. But that was not, it was not the official position. So the student who stayed and failed was in worse shape than the student who withdrew halfway through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1171.0,1227.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: More recently we've changed. We've moved the withdrawal date pretty much to the last day of the semester.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1227.0,1234.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: \u003claugh\u003e OK. That's a..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1234.0,1235.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: No-brainer. For those who are aware: \"You're gonna fail. What do you wanna do? Do you wanna withdraw? Do you wanna stick it out?\" And so, to try to get less F grades and more Ws, to keep the GPA, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1235.0,1251.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1251.0,1251.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Better than it would otherwise be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1251.0,1254.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: \u003claugh\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1254.0,1256.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. They were always problematic, WUs. You know, some students just outright disappeared and some, you know, some disappeared in September and some disappeared in, you know, on November 30th, and it was all the same grade, regardless of what, you know...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1256.0,1270.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1270.0,1271.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: ...they put into it. So, you had, you had done a Presidential Lecture as well, I think, in 2003 I believe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1271.0,1282.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: \"The Positively Fascinating History of the Negative Numbers.\" \u003claugh\u003e That was at the request of Dr. Martí. He asked me if I would give a Presidential Lecture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1282.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Huh. What was that about? Is it your research?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1290.0,1294.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: It kind of came out of my dissertation because, the period of which Duncan Gregory, the mathematician I worked on, that was a period in which negative numbers were not necessarily accepted. They hadn't even gotten to the point -- many were not even to the point of worrying about imaginary numbers. It was negative numbers that there was a whole lot of, I'll call it mathematical shenanigans, about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1294.0,1318.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm. \u003caffirmative\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1318.0,1319.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: So that was what I was, you know, I talked about that, and how historically over time, different cultures had accepted negative numbers in different ways at different times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1319.0,1333.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: And you got an award as well in 2004, I think the year later from the Faculty Excellence Award.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1333.0,1339.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Some kind of award for excellence in faculty research. Yeah. I was in good company with that one. \u003claugh\u003e Other good people in the department got that also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1339.0,1352.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: How did you find the tenure and promotion process? Getting through, you know, getting promoted, you know, getting tenure and then getting promoted along the way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1352.0,1364.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Tenure, I didn't find to be, you know, particularly onerous. I guess I was doing what I had to do. Promotion to associate, I think that came with, I guess that came with tenure. So it was the promotion to full. The first time through, I was turned down by the president. And by the second time, I had a better idea of how to present myself. I think it, I don't think much had changed, but I knew better how to present myself. So the second time, it did go through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1364.0,1399.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. So questions about, I guess, Queensborough itself, maybe. Do you remember much in construction, or were most of the buildings constructed at that, by the time you had started working there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1399.0,1416.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yes, I think things, I think the basic set of buildings was constructed. The art gallery, I guess, was new in my time. But that was off at the other end of the campus, so I wasn't aware that was going on. So I don't, I really don't remember construction. I remember the wind whipping through the floor of the building, of my office. That we called construction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1416.0,1441.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: I think a lot of the major buildings were in the '60s, I believe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1441.0,1445.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I think so, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1445.0,1447.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: The Math Department was mostly on, you know, where it was on the second floor of the Science Building?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1447.0,1452.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: The second floor. Most of our offices were around there. A few were around on the third floor, but, you know, we were very focused around, the number that comes to mind is [S-] 235. I don't know if that's the right number or not, but we were focused in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1452.0,1469.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: I think, and well, the department's in [S-] 245, I think 235 is your offices.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1469.0,1474.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Oh, OK. Well, \u003claugh\u003e as I said, there's some number in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1474.0,1479.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Do you, do you remember when the department decided to become the Department of Mathematics and Computer Science?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1479.0,1487.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I do. I couldn't tell you when [around 1989], but I remember it happening. My recollection is that Mona wanted to see that courses stayed with us and didn't lose their mathematical flavor and drift off, say, into the Business Department or into tech departments, things that were truly computer science courses. So that, that's when we, we had got the expanded title because we did pick up computer science courses then. True computer science courses, not applied or construction, not things that belong in the ET or CT Department. But, you know, really computer science courses at the appropriate levels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1487.0,1529.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm. \u003caffirmative\u003e Did you teach any computer science courses?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1529.0,1533.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I don't think so. No. I took a couple from the department as, again, as in the early days. I did a course in BASIC [MA-340: Computer-Assisted Mathematics] with, I believe it was with, Frank Scalzo. And then I took a, this was all, you know, as a faculty member, you could take a course free, and Pascal [CS-101: Introduction to Computing] with Whitney Harris. That turned out to be a very good course because he had us writing a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1533.0,1561.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1561.0,1562.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: And that was a valuable skill to have picked up in a computer science course, you know, describing what happened and why and how. And I remember running into one of the other students from the course later. And she said, \"You know, that course is what got me and kept me my job because I could write about what I was doing.\" And then I took, well, Assembly Language [CS-201: Computers and Programming] with Joe Bertorelli.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1562.0,1588.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: That was 201, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1588.0,1588.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah. So I took, I did take those three computer courses at Queensborough as a faculty member, sitting in quietly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1588.0,1599.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. How do you feel that the department and the college treated women, both as faculty members and as students?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1599.0,1614.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I felt our department was very well-represented in, as far as the women went. I did not, I didn't feel at all put down, minimized or anything else as a woman in the department. I was not aware of any issues with female students. But again, you know, as faculty, sometimes you know, and sometimes you don't. There didn't seem to be any outward issues. That's probably the best, the most I could say. I'm sure -- I'm out of there for 15 years -- so the concerns probably have become much more, much more subtle and more, you know, people are much more aware, probably, so they would know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1614.0,1659.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Well, our department did have a good number of women working throughout the years, so we did have good representation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1659.0,1666.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yes. Especially considering our field. I mean, you know, that it's not traditionally a woman's field, and yet to have women thoroughly represented in the department was certainly a good sign.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1666.0,1677.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. There's been efforts to try to, on the student side, to get, you know, women in, you know, in the higher-level courses and to do research. That's always been a push. And there, we've worked at grants in that, you know, going in that direction. So, well, is there anything else you can think about, anything else you recall about working for the department? Interesting stories that you recall?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1677.0,1713.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Well, I remember how minuscule our office space always was. It was like, \"Your turn to breathe, my turn to breathe.\" Sylvia and I usually shared, you know, when I wasn't deputy, when I became full-time, we shared an office. And we always said, we were glad I tended to teach early in the day, and she later in the day, because there was no room for both our chairs if we were in there at the same time. Faculty office space was abysmal. Well, I forget, what was your original question there, Patrick, that I...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1713.0,1748.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Well, just if you had interesting stories about the department that you recall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1748.0,1759.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: No. That's terrible. Let me... No, no gossip, which I wouldn't share anyway if I had. It was just a very congenial bunch of folks. I don't know what, how things went down the road. But when I was there, I had no sense of factions or opposing...People had different opinions on how you do things, but there was nothing you would call a faction. It was a very cohesive, congenial, congenial group of people. The senior faculty members were very helpful to the new folks coming in. You know, people shared what they did. They made things work for the, you know, help that other people needed, they made happen. It was, it was really, it was a good place to work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1759.0,1811.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yes, it is. It seems we do mostly work together well. And there aren't, there isn't division in different, you know, in the department in different ways of, you know, making decisions, it seems. And that, that has continued. Did you know of any conflicts with other departments in terms of what mathematics was doing and what other departments wanted to do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1811.0,1835.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I had my own little thing. I was teaching an Honors-level Calc two, three [MA-442 and 443], and I had several students who were involved in research in another department. And it was taking these very competent math students and taking so much of their time and energy that their math was getting lost in the shuffle. And I was, I had the feeling that the research was as much for the status of the other per-, of the faculty member doing it as it was for the benefit of the students. And that bothered me tremendously. It, I guess it would be the equivalent if I were doing with stealing with student athletes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1835.0,1882.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1882.0,1882.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Who, you know, who were losing out, I felt, academically in one part with something else. I mean, it didn't come to blows or anything, but I, you know, I did make my opinion known on that and it... But the, there's certain things that any academic institution wants to prize itself on the status and prestige and the research, you know, was one of them. But that still...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1882.0,1918.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: The, actually, what you were saying about computer science, that division of how to divide the courses, actually did continue. You know, whether courses belong with mathematics or business or with engineering technology. And there's been some effort looking back to the origins of when the departments were teaching these courses to see who should have ownership of different things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1918.0,1945.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1945.0,1946.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: So it is interesting how it formed in our department to, you know, take on that, you know, those courses. Because some, in some colleges, computer science is just a completely different department, and that's it. Mathematics is, you know, doesn't try to, you know...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1946.0,1965.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: This is a long time ago. So computer science has become such a much more intense field. Another thing I did was I was involved with the Writing Intensive Program in its early days. And since I had become very interested in the history of math and its use in teaching, that was part of that four-year funding program with NSF and MAA I was involved with, I took a 303 course, I guess it was, several of those, and turned them into kind of mini-history courses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1965.0,1993.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1993.0,1994.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Now, since the students have a minimum math background at that point, you can't, you know, you're kind of tucked back in more ancient stuff. And I had been hoping to have some kind of a co-taught writing course with the, whatever department had classics. But unfortunately, the person who would've taught the appropriate course with me was not interested in doing that. But, I thought that really could have been interesting. I mean, if you're talking about what's going on in Mesopotamian mathematics, and you talk of Mesopotamia, historically, this is, you know, to me, this is a nice blending. If you're talking, even of Roman numerals and what's going on in Rome at the time, this is it. You know, why did Roman numerals fall out of use? Well, there are mathematical reasons, but there are historical reasons. You know, some of that, I thought, would've made a very nice pair of courses. But, you know, nobody would bite. \u003claugh\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=1994.0,2058.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: How'd you find the students' writing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2058.0,2061.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I kept it to relatively short writing. They, I wanted them to, again, describe what they had done or describe what was going on. You know, not just push numbers and symbols around the paper; that was how I did the writing course. And have them also look at what was going on, you know, what topic, what did we do today that you weren't totally feeling comfortable about, that you had mastered? You know, explain what it was you were missing. What's missing? You know, what needs to be relooked at? This sort, this kind of thing, as well as, just explain, you know, explain why there are only five regular polyhedrons possible. You know, this sort of, that kind of writing. But whether it was mathematical explaining or explaining the learning process or the understanding process, that was what I was doing there. And that seemed to go well. The students seem to catch it. And, you know, the writing people who were, this was the early days of students having to have one or two writing intensive courses...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2061.0,2131.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach:  Mm-hmm. \u003caffirmative\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2131.0,2132.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: And the people who were managing that were satisfied with what was going on in my course. They said, their expression [was], \"Would you get it?\" \u003claugh\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2132.0,2142.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Did you do any research projects with students?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2142.0,2146.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: No. I had proposed something once, where students and I were going to learn the markup language together, in order to do some preliminary work on taking some of Duncan Gregory's stuff and setting it up for publication. But that was not done. That was, that proposal was turned down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2146.0,2174.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: That's too bad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2174.0,2175.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah. I had, I did have a CUNY Research Award at one point that I used to get to England to do some -- you know, this was before everything was available on the Internet. So it was, you know, \"Go and look at the documents yourself.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2175.0,2192.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, so you went to England to actually look at the source documents?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2192.0,2195.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2195.0,2196.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, that's nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2196.0,2197.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I was in the Wren Library at Cambridge and at the Royal Society Library, you know, with the original documents. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2197.0,2205.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Wow. That's, well, before digitization. So, you know, you had, that was part of research often was going to the places where things were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2205.0,2214.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2214.0,2214.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: There was no other way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2214.0,2217.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah. Because what got me into this is kind of going back a bit. What got me interested in this topic of Duncan Gregory for my dissertation was that he had died at 30. And there was no explanation, except his obituary said he died of \"excessive study.\" Now, that's our students' terror, but I am sure that's not how he died. \u003claugh\u003e And there was, you know, there's the mathematician who...oh, yeah. Oh, dear. This is the aging brain. The guy who was killed in the duel? [The French mathematician Évariste Galois was killed in a duel at age 20.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2217.0,2251.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, Aaron Burr? No, but not...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2251.0,2257.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Anyway, he was killed in a duel in his 20s. And, so I thought, oh, you know, maybe there's a good juicy story that goes with Duncan Gregory also. So it, while I was doing historical research on his mathematics and the negative numbers and so forth, you know, it set me down a whole lot of directions as far as his connections with Lord Kelvin and the Cambridge Mathematical Journal and, you know, so that it, at the very end, I found out he died of cancer. So there was no good gory, juicy story there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2257.0,2289.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: \u003claugh\u003e So what made you decide to retire when you did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2289.0,2298.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I just felt it was time. It was taking me longer and longer to do things that I had done before. You know, I always prepped fresh for every course. I didn't just pull out last semester's notes. And my philosophy always was you return every paper the next day. But everything was taking longer and longer. I was getting older, and then I thought, you know, I want to be able to do some things while I'm able to do them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2298.0,2325.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm. \u003caffirmative\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2325.0,2325.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: So retirement did not work out as I was planned, in that my son got ill, and then my partner got ill. But I've, to be honest, I've never regretted for a day that I retired when I did. It really was time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2325.0,2339.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Well, you've continued with mathematics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2339.0,2343.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah. I'm still very involved with the Canadian Society for History and Philosophy of Mathematics [CSHPM]. I'm secretary of that. I'm a coordinator with Rob Bradley at the Adelphi Pohle Colloquium on the history of math. We do that together. So I've very much stayed involved in the math world. I haven't pulled out of that. I haven't, I just haven't had time to do the research. I thought I would continue with the, some of the original research and that hasn't happened. It's, I guess just when you get older, things take longer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2343.0,2379.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: You can continue with your involvement in the society, so you can continue, you know, doing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2379.0,2385.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Oh, yeah. I still, you know, I still have my contacts. I know a lot of fabulous people. Being involved with the Canadian society means I know mathematicians, as I say it, from every continent except Antarctica; the penguins don't do math. But, you know, I'm in contact with people from all over the world, and that's wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2385.0,2406.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, that's good. Is anyone else in, have you gotten anyone else in your family interested in mathematics and teaching as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2406.0,2418.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Unfortunately not. My grandchildren are all struggling with their math, so they're unhappy. My son, however, who is a, he's Technical Director at NYU in one of the theater departments. His boss, at his 20-year recognition ceremony, said, \"Thank you to Jon's mother for teaching him math.\" Because Jon has to come up with a whole lot of very intriguing mathematical stuff to make things work for set pieces he's designing and so forth. So he's got, he's got good instincts. He, you know, he was a competent math student, but he's got very good three-dimensional and creative instincts, and he knows what to ask. But for my grandchildren, the apple missed the tree there, at least at this point. But they're young.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2418.0,2466.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: We'll see. They could be teachers yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2466.0,2469.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I keep hope. I keep hoping. I just want them to enjoy math. That's, I think, what I want more than anything. When I was teaching, as I said to you before, I loved doing 301 and 303 because I could focus on doing things that were useful and interesting and enjoyable, and hopefully sent out some kids who weren't math-phobic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2469.0,2492.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm. \u003caffirmative\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2492.0,2493.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: But that were never gonna say to their kids, \"Oh, I was never good at math either.\" No, that's -- I'd wring anybody's neck who says that to their kid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2493.0,2504.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Did you ever run into old students who remembered you and recognize you anywhere?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2504.0,2510.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Not for a while, no. One of my favorite ones, though, was many years ago. I took my mother into the emergency room in the hospital, and one of my nurses, a MA-010 student who was a nurse, was there. And I remembered her saying to another kid one day, \"You know, you just have to pay attention and do the homework, and you'll, this is not hard.\" And this is the nurse that came over. And I thought, \"OK, this is going to be good. This gal is good. This is the right nurse.\" But yeah, that was probably the last time I ran into one of my students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2510.0,2542.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: It's nice to see them, when they're out there and they remember you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2542.0,2545.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah. Do you remember, an elderly lady named Marie [York] who worked for us as an adjunct? I can't think of her last name, but it will come to me. She, she was a very funny lady, and whenever, that you would hear accidents from time to time, like a bridge would collapse, you know, or some great architectural disaster, she would say, \"Oh, please! Don't let it have to be or have been one of my calculus students that was the designer.\" \u003claugh\u003e You know, she never wanted to run into any of hers in that context. Somebody will remember who, the memory I was talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2545.0,2584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. I'm gonna maybe eventually even talk to some adjuncts. You were a long-standing adjunct who, you know, became a full-timer. But there are some adjuncts who have been there, you know, 20, 30, 40 years for us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2584.0,2599.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah. I think this was a woman who, I don't know whether she taught for us full-time or somewhere else full-time. [Ed. note: Marie York was an Assistant Professor for the department between 1966 and 1971.] But in my day as a, even to me now, as a senior, she seemed to be, this was a very elderly lady, but she was a fantastic calculus teacher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2599.0,2615.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm. It's good to have good, we need good teachers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2615.0,2621.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah. Oh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2621.0,2626.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: You missed out on the, the teaching with, the online teaching that we were all forced into...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2626.0,2634.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Oh, that's, that had to be rough because nobody was trained in how to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2634.0,2641.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: No. We just, well, we made it up as we went along, and we did the material. We just had to figure out the technology. So could you, we had that before you retired, I think we had Blackboard [QCC's online course delivery system], at least the starts of it. Did you do anything with it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2641.0,2661.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yes, I was teaching, I guess it was a Calc three with Blackboard. I'd been having a couple different interesting pieces of technology that, you know, were coming in. There was that room over in the far corner [S-220] that, I think it was Mona and Sylvia had the grant for, that was a very heavy-duty tech room. So I was teaching in there and, with the technology and with Blackboard, which was interesting. It, now, you know, again, I'm out 15 years. So, so much has changed, but I remember having the feeling that the students were more looking at their computers than at me. That always was...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2661.0,2701.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2701.0,2703.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: But it had some strong pluses and we certainly made it work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2703.0,2709.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: I guess I could have asked, how did you, how was your change with technology? How did it change over the years from when you started to, you know, when you retired in terms of, you know, computers, graphing calculators, and...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2709.0,2723.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Well, essentially when I started, I think your technology was probably your ten fingers. Then the graphing calculators came in. I remember Mona and I put together a bunch of talks on the graphing calculator called, \"Where is the On Button?\" So these were very, these were absolutely introductory talks that we gave at a bunch of different things, like at NYSMATYC [New York State Mathematics Association for Two-Year Colleges conferences] and at a couple of other colleges around on using the graphing calculator. So they were, they were just coming in. Blackboard was, as you said, was coming along the way. And it, a few people were doing some things, I think, with assorted computer program-type calculus. Sheila [Shailaja] Nagarkatte, I think, was doing some of the Harvard Calculus, and I think she had, you know, had introduced, she was farther ahead with the calc technology on that stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2723.0,2781.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Eventually -- we had Maple eventually for the calculus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2781.0,2784.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah, yeah. That was, that was beginning to creep in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2784.0,2788.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2788.0,2789.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah, I was essentially prehistoric calculus and technology, I guess I'd put down pre-technology and prehistoric technology would be about when I was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2789.0,2802.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Well, it's important to know how to do things without the calculator. If you rely on it too much, you're just saying whatever, you know, responding, whatever the calculator says is an answer, not knowing why things are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2802.0,2814.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Yeah. And then you don't recognize when you don't have a common sense answer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2814.0,2818.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm. Yeah. You just look at a graph and, well, the graph is what? Not understanding what the graph ought look like, you punch some buttons and it's, you get a straight line. And it really shouldn't be a straight line at all. \u003claugh\u003e But that's what the calculator tells you. \u003claugh\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2818.0,2834.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Nothing. Can't, you know, not to be trusted implicitly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2834.0,2839.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mm-hmm. \u003caffirmative\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2839.0,2840.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Needs brains supplementing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2840.0,2844.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Are you in contact with other faculty of the department who retired or are still working?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2844.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: I still see Mona Fabricant regularly. Before she died, Sylvia and I traveled a lot together. We were in touch. We were traveling when she died. [Editor's note: See Allaire's memorial essay for Sylvia Svitak in the supplemental files to this interview.] And, other than that though, unfortunately I don't, there's nobody else in the department I see. I mean, I, you know, I see a few people. I see you from time to time at...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2850.0,2870.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah, at Adelphi events.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2870.0,2870.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: You know, Howard Sporn shows up at those from time to time. I've been in touch on and off a bit with Haishen [Yao]. There was an article that I tweaked a little bit for him based on some stuff I had done. But, you know I've, well, a part of the people were, are either out of the area or just simply gone. We're not, you know, we're not, the people I was in touch with are not 21 anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2870.0,2907.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. Do you have any other, anything else you'd like to add?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2907.0,2911.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: Not that I can think of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2911.0,2913.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: I think I went through various questions, but I think I've gone through everything that I have thought about. Well, thank you very much, Pat, for your, you know, for your time and, you know, sharing your stories with us and stuff about the department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2913.0,2934.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: You're very welcome. I hope I could be helpful to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2934.0,2937.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yes, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2937.0,2938.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patricia Allaire: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636#t=2938.0,2939.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/105871/file/206636/transcript/49114/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: All right. 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