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Everything's working fine now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2.0,7.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Is it good okay on my speakerphone?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=7.0,13.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: From what I can hear right now, it sounds all right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=13.0,18.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=18.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Do I sound okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=20.0,23.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=23.0,24.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Alright. So I didn't get it from my phone. I'm getting it from my laptop and usually I like to use 4G for this, but I think this should be okay. The first question I'm going to ask is have you read the consent form that I sent you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=24.0,44.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Yes, I read it and I agree to the policy on a consent form.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=44.0,52.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay, cool. Yeah. Thanks. So the first thing I'm going to do is give today's date, which is May 19th, 2020. My name is Obden Mondesir collecting this oral history for the Queens Memory COVID-19 Project. I am with Kimiko Hahn. We are at very different areas. I am in Crown Heights, Brooklyn on the corner of Schenectady, and Eastern Parkway and Kimiko, do you feel okay with giving the intersections that you're at right now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=52.0,89.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Sure. I am on the North Fork of Long Island.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=89.0,97.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay, cool. I guess the first question I'm going to ask is, could you provide, first, tell me about the, oh, could you tell me what year you were born? Sorry!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=97.0,113.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Sure. I was born in 1955.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=113.0,117.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And could you tell me about the first house that you grew up in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=117.0,121.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Speaker 2: Oh, the first house I grew up in....","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=121.0,127.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Well, the first childhood home I grew up in, I don't remember because I was an infant and we left, but the house that I recall that I grew up in from about age two on was in Pleasantville New York. It was a kind of ramshackle house that was built on the foundation of a chicken coop. So it was basically built in old farmland that had turned into suburbs. It was a very out of the way and a kind of Bohemian setup. Both my parents are visual artists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=127.0,174.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Could you tell me, how did you get into becoming a writer and then like what led you to become a Professor at Queens College?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=174.0,193.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Well, I have always been dazzled and captivated by words, even the very sound of words. I grew up hearing other languages, even though English is my first language. So I always knew that language had a very, that expression has a very particular kind of power and intensity for me. I loved playing with words and writing little poems from the time I was, I don't know, eight years old, maybe even earlier on. My parents, both really encouraged me. As I said, they were both artists, visual artists, but they encouraged expression in the arts and, onward into junior high and high school. I started to read poetry very seriously and really knew that that's how I wanted to devote myself, to a creative life. I had a lot of different jobs before I became a professor. I was a tour guide in Manhattan. I was a waitress. I ran a reading series out of the Chinatown Public Library. So I had all sorts of jobs. Finally, I realized that I wanted to try my hand at teaching and so I was an adjunct at several colleges. When I heard that a job was open, a tenure track job was open at Queens College and a friend really encouraged me. He said that the CUNY system has a union. That's a very good kind of job to have, a CUNY job. So I applied. I was hired on what was then called, I believe, an opportunity hire. They needed a poet. I needed a job. They needed someone who is a minority and after a whole lot of back and forth and recommendations and so forth, I got the position and that was about, I think about 27 years ago. Since then I've become a distinguished professor and I'm very proud of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=193.0,350.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. So about 1993?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=350.0,356.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Yes, exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=356.0,358.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. Thank God. I got that Math right. I wanted to like lead up to you, be good in your work at Queens College. I guess, could you tell me what it's been like working in the MFA program?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=358.0,380.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Oh, sure. Well, my colleagues and I started the MFA program a little over 10 years ago. We had a master's in creative writing but we wanted to form a master's of fine arts. Since then, we've just had an amazing array of students from all over the country and really the world. So we have students who come to us, both from Queens college and from the Middle East and everywhere, really. So that's very special and one attraction of the MFA program is that we have a translation track. So a creative writing track and also literary translation and that really suits the borough of Queens and Queens College very well. It's a terrific match because as you well know, we have the most diverse, linguistic diverse place on the planet. So, it's a very special program and our students are terrific and really reflect cultural diversity and linguistic diversity as well. I'm very proud of that. Does that answer your question? I sort of rambled on for a bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=380.0,494.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: I'll just add that I really love teaching in the MFA program. We really strive to make it a community for creativity and by that, I mean, for students to take risks with their creative expression and to try other genres and to really play, and apprentice themselves to understand craft from different angles. That's what I mean by taking risks. And by doing that, I need to constantly, you know, kind of stay on my toes as well. So I really, really love the program that we have. I appreciate that the English department is very welcoming also. That is not always the case. Now I've discovered the people at the library, so I'm super happy to have an extended community with librarians as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=494.0,560.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. I guess one thing I'm interested is like, what classes were you teaching this semester?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=560.0,568.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: This semester, I actually was teaching one class because I have released time for administrative duties. So I was teaching one that just ended yesterday. I was teaching one graduate class, a crash class on hybrid text for not just people in poetry but for anyone in the MFA program. So we read everything from Cane by Jane Toomer. We read some Moby Dick. We read, let's see, Muriel Rukeyser's Book of the dead. So these particular canonical texts use different genres. They're a hybrid in that regard. But we also read more modern, modernist texts and modern and contemporary texts that use visual arts as part of their, as part of a kind of vocabulary. And that was really exciting for my students. They really hadn't seen much of that or hadn't thought about that in terms of their own work. So it was really a wonderful exploration for myself as well in terms of reading, writing, and also, exploring with these young people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=568.0,659.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. And, um, considering that you were teaching that class for the entire semester and that on March 11th the world health organization declares, you know, COVID-19, a pandemic and then I think on March 20th, Governor Cuomo puts a shelter in place order. Could you talk about one, the moments leading up to you realizing that you had to work from home, yeah, the moments of you realizing that you would have to start teaching?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=659.0,700.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Sure. Well, we came out to our house on the North Fork and on let's say March 12th, my husband came down with, he's a retired professor, also from the Queens college English department. He came down with mild COVID-19 symptoms and a week later on March 21st, I came down with mild symptoms as well. So for about two weeks, we both had, a low grade fever and dry cough and felt very fatigued but we had no emergency. We did not need any emergency treatment. So we were very lucky, but we really started sheltering; you know, we stocked up on things and did not go out pretty much after he came down with those symptoms. So from March 12th on, our neighbors were kind enough to do some shopping for us, but pretty much we've been at our house, indoors doors, mostly indoors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=700.0,777.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: I began teaching, my sister who is a professor recommended, a platform that I immediately tried out. It's very easy. So, actually I had a trial run and, my husband, Harold Schechter gave a lecture on Moby Dick. That's one of his areas in American literature. So, that was a trial run and the students all participated. They came, they listened to the lecture and because that works so neatly, I found I had a good, a good start. So, from the 20th on, we got very serious about how do you use the platform and so forth. And by that time, I had changed the syllabus a little bit, a little bit more relaxed, with a lot more time to get work done, a little more flexible, I should say. And we just, instead of having final presentations on two days, we had final presentations on three days, and that really worked out beautifully. Everyone really expanded and grew and brought in their stories. Most of the students brought in their stories about sequestering into their final projects, which was really, pretty amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=777.0,879.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. And, I want to get back to that, but when, you and your husband were coming down with the symptoms, what do you remember at that time of what you were hearing and feeling about the pandemic?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=879.0,902.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Well, we were hearing, from President Trump at the time and realizing that we weren't getting factual information, which is not surprising, given that we, he doesn't usually use facts to guide his policy. So, on the news, we were hearing more of the same. We were also hearing how Queens was becoming the epicenter of the epicenter. So that was quite frightening and we felt fortunate that we were out of the New York City area, outside the city limits. I was in touch with my colleagues who were all sequestering, the MFA program colleagues, we kept very close in touch, especially to monitor how our students were doing. I was also in touch with my younger daughter who is in her early thirties. She was working in a restaurant in Williamsburg at the time and that soon closed down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=902.0,982.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: My older daughter who's in her mid thirties, she and her husband have two children in upstate New York and he works for Metro North. So he was on the front lines as an essential worker. So, that was worrisome. So we were hearing the news. I read the New York Times and other sources. So, we were getting our news from a lot of different sources, but then also hearing from friends and family. It's very scary and very strange to one minute be teaching and the next minute being totally indoors all the time and not even in the City. It's very, as everyone keeps saying very surreal. I actually was trying to describe to a friend of mine, an episode of the Twilight Zone and because I couldn't find that episode. I couldn't remember exactly what happened in that episode since I was a child, when I saw it and it was already an older episode from a generation before me. I decided to look up, this is the other day. I decided to look up all the different episodes. I'm not sure it was the Twilight zone, but anyway, there, there was one of those kinds of programs where a couple are living in the suburbs and now they're living a good life and all of that very real middle, middle class and then suddenly they look up in the sky and they both start screaming and shouting and the camera zooms upward and there's this large child's face. Then it pulls back, the shot pulls back and the little girl is about ready to pick up the couple. So, in other words, the couple's home is really in a kind of doll house and I keep waiting in a way for something to break through. It's sort of very weird. It's hard to know what's really outside our, down the block. I look out my window and there's my neighbor and I can't see beyond my neighbor's home. In the past few days, we have driven out and taken walks, but until last week it just has been can't see beyond the neighbors. It doesn't really exist. It's very strange.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=982.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: I actually saw that episode. I know exactly what you're talking about. It's this couple, they wake up and they don't know where they are and they spend the entire time walking around and then you think it's over once they get on the train. I think at one point that's when you see the hand. That was a really fun episode. I like watching the Twilight Zone from time to time. I completely empathize with that feeling you're describing where I don't know, for me, in my case, it feels weird to only see two people on a regular basis. So, like I have my roommate and then I have my girlfriend who I visit and, she under particular circumstances is living by herself. So, like when I see people who are not them, it feels strange.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1170.0,1224.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Yeah. It becomes that at this point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1224.0,1232.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Are there any other moments in your life that reminds you of this time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1232.0,1243.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Oh, well, that's interesting. No, one's asked me that. The first thing that comes to mind is giving birth to my children where I was stuck inside with the little infant. Let's see, one was born in November and one was born in March. So, it was, you know, inclemate weather. So, you have an infant, you can't go outside and yeah, it's very isolating but people could visit. But I guess that's as close as I have come. I haven't thank heaven, I haven't had long hospital stays, so I don't know. So, that's the only other thing I could imagine. I had a friend who had tuberculosis and had to be quarantined in a hospital room, but even then he could get visitors if they wore masks and so forth.That's the only thing that comes to mind, having babies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1243.0,1317.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: You did describe that your daughter's husband works for Metro North and that you have a daughter that works in Williamsburg. How has your family been dealing with the situation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1317.0,1336.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Well, my daughter in Williamsburg, as I said, works in the food industry, for a restaurant. So, she was laid off and actually just this week is starting work again. She has gone back to the restaurant. They have been doing take out orders and the person who has been managing that, needs to visit her own family. So, my daughter's checking that over right now. So, she's gone from being totally isolated in a small apartment by herself with only her plants and her choosing friends to hang out with, but still with social distancing. So, that's been very strange for her. She's going from again all to nothing to all again, pretty much, although, as I said, it's not, it's still a huge difference, being back at work and my other daughter has two small children. She's a stay at home mother, so she kind of jokes that things haven't changed that much for her because she's stuck at home. In fact, the older, one of the two children was going to nursery school two mornings a week. So, that's stopped very abruptly and can't take children to playground, you know, they can go on long walks, which she tries to do to tire them out and so forth. The husband comes home and immediately changes out of his clothes and showers, but he's not sequestering himself from the whole family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1336.0,1464.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: I guess, how have you been communicating with family? How have you been communicating?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1464.0,1472.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Communicating mainly through FaceTime on a daily basis. Even before this, I was reading, I usually read a story to my granddaughter every morning at breakfast time. So that continued. So, actually that wasn't much different from what I usually do with that family but also talking and texting with my daughter about their situation and then, FaceTiming my daughter, who is in Brooklyn every day. I talked to her almost every day, but during this sequestering period, I FaceTime her every day, absolutely! We're really checking in with each other, seeing how, how one another is doing. She's also speaking to other family members almost on a daily basis. So, that was good. She's really become quite close to an aunt and cousin since this has all transpired. So, it's interesting to be both separated, but then also have a special connection that's made.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1472.0,1562.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: I know you've described that moving your work online - (lost of audio)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1562.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Describe how interactions with students have changed especially with the course that you were teaching.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1590.0,1623.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Well, the students were pretty disoriented. I was very disoriented. At one point I couldn't even remember if we had started the semester in person or not. That's how disoriented I was. It's just hard to remember that we all actually met in a classroom and yet when I picture the classroom, I know where, you know, I could recall where every student, ordinarily would sit. But again, it was very disorienting. My students, they were around that time from being very depressed looking, because they had jobs that were in jeopardy.They had family members who died, friends who died, friends who were ill. One person had a partner with whom they were sequestering that was extremely ill, but not ill enough to take to the emergency room. So everybody was dealing with different issues, all COVID related. Everyone sort of had a baseline of disorientation and anxiety and stress. I had another student who is a journalist, so she had to write about all this. She had to write about what was going on in Long Island,as part of her job. So she was very busy. Because they're graduate students by and large, they were working full-time or suddenly on unemployment, suddenly unemployed but most of them working and that really took its toll, and being on screen or on the phone all day being inside all day. So, that definitely took its toll. On the other hand, every single one of them expressed real gratitude to everyone in the class because it was an important time of the week. We always met Monday evenings and it was a time for us to, even though it was on screen, even though it was a virtual class, it was time for everyone to be in a community and to hear how we were and to talk about creative writing and to talk about literature and to talk about their own writing and what these texts, my assignments, what they all mean to each of them, how each student was responding to the text and that was very meaningful. It was very moving sometimes as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1623.0,1825.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Could you give an example?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1825.0,1836.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Yeah. Let's see, well, one student actually left the city and was living with her parents. You know, she's an adult, but she preferred leaving the city and going back and living with her parents for the time being which makes perfect sense, bigger house and so forth. But there were times when it was a bit awkward. Even though, she was in a different room, there were times for the class when it was awkward for her to speak about what she was writing, because some of what she was writing had to do with family history. And even though there was a door, the proximity was stressful but that's what she was writing about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1836.0,1924.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Let's see, there was one student who just last night was reading from the final project. She was writing about how she cannot leave her apartment in Brooklyn to go to a ceramic studio to do pottery and how she misses that kind of physical creativity, getting her hands on clay, being with other people, you can't be close, you can't be in a small room, you know, making pottery. So, that was interesting and the idea of not being able to touch the clay, but also not being able to touch other people. So the COVID story, so to speak, it's very much a part of, pretty much a part of the class. It's like having another member in the class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1924.0,1997.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah. I mean, I feel like some themes that I've been coming up are time, touch and space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=1997.0,2015.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Yes. Time, touch and space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2015.0,2017.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: I have family in Queens, like my mother and my father and I'll bike by, and like sometimes socially stand in the kitchen or hang out in the backyard, but it feels strange to like, not hug or shake hands or do anything with parents, just like, look at them. I did want to go back to, you did mention the first time we spoke with Annie, like this disorientation in regards to time. I also feel that, so could you talk some more about that? How do you feel like time has changed for you during this period?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2017.0,2067.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Every day feels the same. I sometimes don't know what day of the week it is. I mean, I know it's Sunday because of the TV, the news is different on weekends and Sunday we don't have postal service. It's very strange to have day after day. And again, I know it's Monday because I have to get ready to teach, but the regular markers that I might have are no longer functioning. I already was having trouble remembering what day or, what calendar date it is. So, having this, having being pulled out of an urban life and my campus life is really exacerbated or really just, it's like a bell jar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2067.0,2139.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: It's just being put into a bell jar and every day is the same. Another strange element is my friend mentioned this. She said, I'm so sick and tired of when I'm teaching or when I'm in a meeting, or even just talking to a friend on FaceTime and I see myself; I'm so tired of looking at myself or just having, having my my image. It's usually when we talk, like I'm talking to you right now, I don't see myself, but when we're doing this virtual teaching, you know, my face is part of the gallery and that's very disorienting. How is that related to time? Because I'm aging like, Oh my God! I look even older than I thought I looked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2139.0,2203.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: So, that's literally in my face all the time, every day, the aging where I am in my own age, but also being pulled out of time, I will say. I will say though, that I have started a reading practice that I didn't have before. I, myself am not a religious person, but I really like ritual and routine and for a little over two weeks now, I've been reading a poem and an essay about, it's in a Pullman anthology, and there's an essay. So, I've been reading one every day for over two weeks now. I have to grapple, that's what I do and that feels like I'm stopping time a little bit in a really good way. It becomes very sheltering, very important for me, very valuable, and I liked that aspect of slowing down. So, there's a positive and negative element for me and I feel lucky that I can say that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2203.0,2305.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah. I don't think I've had any many real rituals down, but anything that I do that keeps away from this screen, I really valued. So taking up puzzles, taking up cooking, taking up yoga, even though that like in that initially involves my laptop, has been really helpful. And then like my concept of time, aside from things that have deadlines, like, you know, a lot of the work I do can wait. So, it's almost like taking moments from yourself. It is a privilege I try to dive into whenever I can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2305.0,2356.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Yeah. Now that my semester is over, I am going to miss my classes. I'm going to miss knowing it's Monday night, but actually we're all required to take a two week workshop on online teaching. So, I will be a student in that couple of weeks every day, not looking forward to that. But again, in terms of time, my husband, my husband's family, he grew up Jewish and his, one of his grandmothers was Orthodox and he would describe her praying as kind of stepping outside time. That's a phrase, I think, I don't know if I'm quoting him exactly, but, that kind of prayer sort of takes someone out of the moment out of time. I've always, really, I found that interesting, and I've always wished that I could do that. And these little daily reading, the poem and reading, annotations has taken me out of time in a way and that's very special. Even if I don't continue it, I feel that I've experienced something that I would not have otherwise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2356.0,2458.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. You mentioned that you're going to be like a student for about two weeks. How do you feel, or what do you remember about CUNYs response to the pandemic?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2458.0,2476.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Well, I remember CUNY, responding immediately in terms of the shutdown, I think there were some fits and starts or false starts if you will, having to start and then start again. CUNY's a big machine. So that was not surprising and it didn't actually bother me. It bothered, I know some of my colleagues but as I said, I've been very lucky. I have a lot of administrative work, but I don't have a teaching load that others have. I felt that the shift that CUNY had to make as a huge institution, I feel that they did pretty well. I think that our Provost was amazing and one of her emails to us, maybe in end of March, or early April, she used the word kindness. I was just so struck by the Provost in this formal policy, in email to everyone using the word kindness. It made such an impression on me. I actually wrote to her. I wrote to the chair in the English department and I eventually I wrote to the provost and just thanked her. I raised that with my students. I said, you know, that's how we're going to run our class. Our policy now is kindness. So, I'm kind of looking in terms of your question at the macro, institutional response and then also on a really small scale, just how they, this one person that's provost responded, Betsy Hendrey responded and really made an impact.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2476.0,2628.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah. I'm going to repeat that back to you. I really liked that you said like our policy now is kindness. I guess, in your neighborhood and like with your interactions, have you seen any other examples of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2628.0,2647.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Our neighbors across the street, when we were both sick, they did some shopping for us, so, sent over some food. So, definitely kindness. I heard that my students, some of my graduate students, one of them, who lives in a rental, her refrigerator broke and the landlord said, well, I can't get a new refrigerator for you for two weeks. So, even with social distancing people in her apartment building were helping her out and giving her ice and so forth to help her, she and her roommate, helping them pull through. Apparently, there was some kind of truly grassroots, actions, People reaching out to people who are sequestered and couldn't get out of the house and doing shopping for them. I'm amazed. It's just magnificent to see that, especially given how much tumult you see on TV and people complaining about not getting to the beaches and so forth, not being able to get into church or get into a bowling alley or something. I don't know what. The news can be pretty depressing to say the least, but there's also amazing stories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2647.0,2761.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Oh, and I'm sorry, I wanted to add another anecdote. The same neighbors across the street, who were doing some shopping for us, their daughter just graduated from college and obviously she couldn't go but they were going to have a graduation online. So, a whole bunch of neighbors were invited and they have a nice size backyard. So we all social distance and we watched a kind of a graduation ceremony. So, that was a wonderful neighborhood event and she said, the graduate said, I really missed being able to do this with my classmates. But given that I couldn't, this is amazing because my neighbors obviously would not have been at my graduation ceremony. So, it was very touching. I cried, I admit it. It was very moving.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2761.0,2830.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah. I could imagine. When people decide to come together in that way, it is very touching. What do you remember about your reactions to the city was responding to the pandemic as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2830.0,2863.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: I have to say that, I am so impressed with Governor Cuomo. I think Mayor DeBlasio has done well too, but Governor Cuomo has just really stepped up with information, with his daily briefings, with kind of folksy stories and family stories and saying the buck stops here. I mean, he's a voice of authority and reason. So, because I'm out of the City, I'm really watching it from afar. Although, I guess even if you're in the City, you are kind of watching it from the afar because you can't get outside. But I thought that the state and the city did pretty well. The fact that we had an abundance of beds and we didn't need to use them all is just remarkable. It's a sign that they were able to prepare. I mean, I know there are, in some areas they didn't have enough, I guess, or, it seemed from the news that there wasn't enough masks for health workers and so forth. Overall, from what I saw, things were, things were done with great authority and care. I think there was incredible turmoil in terms of the senior centers, senior living, assisted living, that's, particularly horrific, but I'm very impressed with Governor Cuomo. I am sorry he's not running for president? I think he is fantastic. I was kind of surprised. I know him more from, as someone who's not giving CUNY and SUNY enough money so that he stepped up to the plate especially in his messaging is very impressive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=2863.0,3009.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: And I guess, especially in comparison to what the federal government was doing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3009.0,3014.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Absolutely. I mean, they had to reinvent government in a way. We didn't have that authority. We didn't have a network to make sure there's enough beds and so forth. So, he networked with the other governors in order to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3014.0,3042.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: What have you been thinking about in regards to the future of teaching, this Fall and what would the Fall look like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3042.0,3064.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Well, I am hoping that I can meet my students at least in small, small groups in September and then probably everything else would be online, but I would really like to be able to meet them all in person. As I said, that might be small groups over a period of time. If that can't happen, it will just have to all be online. For undergraduate classes in particular, they're much larger than the grad classes. So I'm probably in for a little culture shock, but, I have the summer to prepare for that. I have colleagues who were teaching large undergraduate classes. So I'll get some tips from them. I know how much the creative writing class, the craft class meant to my graduate students and I have both a grad and undergrad creative writing class, poetry workshop in the Fall. I think that it will make a difference to my students' quality of life and vice versa. It'll make a difference to my life as well, to be in touch with them virtually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3064.0,3167.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Is there anything else that you're thinking about in regards to the future?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3167.0,3177.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Well, the way I met the librarians at Queens College Library is that I was organizing a chapbook festival for the end of March, and obviously we had to postpone that and I was thinking, oh, well, okay, we'll just do it in the Fall, hopefully in November. I was hoping, oh, well, we'll do it in the spring, but, that's not going to happen. So I am going to spend part of June and July, re-imagining it, so that we have some panels and exhibitions online. Then I'm hoping in say May or even June 2021 have a one day, book, chapbooks fair to really bring together chapbooks all in one place in the library, but we're not going to have the three day celebration that we were hoping to have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3177.0,3247.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Well, what you mentioned sparks another question in mind where, that was something that was supposed to happen and was put on pause. Are there any other examples of things that you were planning or expecting to do this year that had to stop?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3247.0,3273.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Well, my husband and I were going to go on a vacation, forget about that. We were going to go abroad. That's not happening. We're staying at home. So there will not be any international travel and probably not any travel beyond the Tristate area. I hope I can see my grandchildren soon. It all depends on, I just had an antibody test and I tested positive for antibodies, but no one knows what that means. So, I'm hoping in the near future, I can see my grandchildren and my daughters and their families. All of that, different communities, different, different commitments. I just had a new book come out. I had a book. My new book came out in March and I did not, I was not able to have my book launch. So, I did a virtual reading and that went pretty well, but it is not the same. It's not the same as everyone's getting together in a bar and having a reading and buying books and celebrating. So I, hope that that could happen in reality. That would be nice but I have no idea at this time. So my book coming out, other readings were cancelled. I was supposed to teach this summer, adult poetry workshops, off campus for literary and art centers, that's not happening. So, it's going to me doing my own writing at home all summer long. I've also been taking some classes at a center for book arts, some virtual classes, which have been absolutely wonderful. So, I hope to keep doing that. My husband and I have been doing these sort of virtual museum tours and at night we catch up on detective shows. So, that's been nice sequestering routine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3273.0,3424.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Could you name one of the detectives?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3424.0,3428.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Pardon me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3428.0,3429.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Could you name one of the detectives?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3429.0,3431.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Oh, sure. We're watching Vera right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3431.0,3436.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Vera?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3436.0,3437.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Yes. It's British. She is a middle aged woman who is a detective and now I can't remember, it's not London, but in a small city. She is quite tenacious solving her cases. For some reason we've been watching a lot of shows out of the UK. So, Shetland, that comes out of Scotland. The Tunnel we saw.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3437.0,3487.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Why do you think that's the case?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3487.0,3492.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Well, we both like murder mysteries and detective shows and it's great just to have a series that you can look forward to every day for a period of time and you kind of get to know, I mean, we see them right before bedtime. So they actually enter into my dream, my dreamscapes. Vera is in my dream. She's a detective who walks around in my dreams. So, it's a different kind of community, I guess it's the, the dreamscape community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3492.0,3541.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Could you tell me more about the antibody test, what that experience was like? How did you go about acquiring , stuff like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3541.0,3554.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Sure. My husband was actually picking up a takeout order about a week ago and he saw some nurses doing the same and he overheard them talking about the testing or something like that. Or maybe he just went up to them and asked about testing. He had gone in for a COVID-19 test and it tested positive. So, he was curious about the antibody test and he said, oh, when is that going to be ready in this area? And they said, Oh, well, you can already get it at one of these City MD things. So we called up and they said, oh, come anytime after eight in the morning. So we got a little before eight. We were third in line and we were in and out of there in about half an hour and then the results were sent a few days later by email.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3554.0,3627.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: How may other people do you know how taking the antibody tests within your circles?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3627.0,3636.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Nobody else I know have taken it, but I mean, people may have, and I just don't know, but no one else has reported in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3636.0,3646.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: I think there's a peculiarity to, there doesn't seem to be a straightforward way to go about this and obviously it is not standardized which is what I find really interesting about this moment. Even, the information that you receive about like getting the test is like still very unclear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3646.0,3673.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: It is unclear. I recently heard and said, well, if you get a vaccine, they're not sure that it's going to be any more effective than just testing positive for antibody, because that's in a way what the vaccine is and so depending on what having the antibodies means, does it mean that I can get it again? Does it mean that it will be worse? Does it mean that I'll never get it again? There's no information. It's so novel. So, yeah, so we just don't know. I think some people are waiting to find out what it means because we still have to social distance, apparently beause no one knows what it means. So, we're not acting any differently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3673.0,3730.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Are there any anecdotes that we didn't come across that you've been thinking about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3730.0,3747.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: I'll probably think of something once we get off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3747.0,3751.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: That's how it usually works.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3751.0,3761.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: No, nothing off the top of my head. I have relatives in Hawaii. That's where my mother was born. I still have cousins there and they were very concerned and they told everyone, Kimiko is our first relative who has COVID.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3761.0,3795.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah. Just to clarify, you did have basically only mild symptoms of the virus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3795.0,3808.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Yes. Correct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3808.0,3809.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. Yeah. So, I guess first I'll share, and hear your thoughts. I think one of my initial fears was being someone that not catches it, but coming down with it and then going through that experience, I could be any different, but from what I've heard, it sounds a lot like having the flu and then the mildest form and then getting over it. Did you feel any more part of the story with coming down with the virus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3809.0,3859.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Yes. Absolutely, especially with the thought that, oh, I might have antibodies and I can go out into the world. Of course, that hasn't played out yet. I think probably most people would test positive for the virus. I think that they're saying now that most people get it at home, that a lot of people are asymptomatic. I think at a certain point, probably almost everyone have had it, have been exposed and have it. I feel really lucky. I feel lucky that I've had it, that there were mild symptoms especially someone in my age group, over 65, that I am on the other side of it, at least for now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3859.0,3919.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Yeah. I think it is my impression that a lot more people are just asymptomatic but that is also a problem because that is how it spreads where you're like, look at me, I'm fine. I'm going to go outside and then, you know, you give it to someone who will show symptoms. Are there, are there any other habits that you have developed, aside from the writing in the morning and the watching the detective shows that help you get through the week. I did want to comment that I elected to take a online course and also agree getting to meet with people and talk about something else very intensely is really helpful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3919.0,3985.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Yeah. I agree. I agree. Especially, cause when you turn on the news, that's really all you hear. There are other things going on in the world but that's all we hear about. So it's very healthy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=3985.0,4004.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Oh, now I forget your question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=4004.0,4006.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Oh, I was asking, what other habits have you've developed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=4006.0,4010.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Oh, other habits. Well, a lot more cooking, not being in the City and not being able to get out and restaurants not being open. We're cooking a lot. I have bran muffins that I make every morning. So, a lot of cooking, even though I had the virus, 10 weeks ago, I still have lingering symptoms. So, if I have a glass of wine, I feel a kind of heaviness in my thrust. So, a, that's alarming that it sticks around for so long and b, that's a real drag that I can't just have a glass of wine and feel great about it. So, the new habit is that I have to be careful still about my health.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=4010.0,4078.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=4078.0,4081.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: A lot of cooking, a lot of walks, my husband and I take a lot of walks which we kind of did before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=4081.0,4091.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: In my case, there has been a lot of cooking and the joke I've been making is, the dishes in the sink have asexually reproduced. I would say before March, rarely would there be a stack of dishes and now it's every night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=4091.0,4128.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: We're living with ourselves in so many ways and one of it is all the dirty dishes and clothes and all that kind of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=4128.0,4143.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: I think it is good to end on that note. I'd like to really thank you for taking all the time for talking and you have the forms. If you can't fill them out at this time, that's fine. We'll finalize another moment when you can send it back and also I'll just send an email about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=4143.0,4164.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kimiko Hahn: Very good. I'll probably send it tomorrow morning if that's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=4164.0,4169.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403/transcript/35983/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Obden Mondesir: Okay. No, yeah, that's fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/71683/file/155403#t=4169.0,4169.7175"}]}]}]}