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After receiving his master’s degree, he taught at St. John’s for three years until being hired at Queensborough in 1968. He continued his doctoral studies at Adelphi University in the field of quaternions, his dissertation topic.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eChutsky reflects upon his years of teaching, recalling entertaining stories of students and other faculty, his time as department chair and his travels around the world during winter and summer breaks.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eSadly, Alan passed away in March 2024, just seven months after the interview was recorded.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCC BY-NC-SA Contact digitalarchives@queenslibrary.org for research and reproduction requests.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["http://digitalarchives.queenslibrary.org/search/browse/43685"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2023-08-09 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Alan Chutsky (Interviewee)","Patrick Wallach (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source"]},"value":{"en":["Interview conducted as part of the Queensborough Community College Retired Mathematics \u0026amp; Computer Science Faculty Oral History Project."]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["1940s-2023 (temporal)","Queensborough Community College and St. John's University, Queens, NY; Brooklyn, NY (spatial)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSummary of Full Interview\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eAlan Chutsky was a retired Professor of the Department of Mathematics and Computer Science at Queensborough Community College, where he taught full-time from 1968 until his retirement in 2005.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIn this interview, Chutsky looks back on his early education at Brooklyn Tech and Brooklyn College, leading to graduate studies at the University of California in Riverside and later St. John\u0026rsquo;s University. After receiving his master\u0026rsquo;s degree, he taught at St. John\u0026rsquo;s for three years until being hired at Queensborough in 1968. 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Hello, I'm Patrick Wallach, and it's August 9th, 2023, and today we are interviewing Dr. Alan Chutsky for the Queensborough Community College Retired Mathematics and Computer Science Faculty Oral History Project. So thank you, Alan. Thank you for agreeing to be interviewed. I guess we could start with your early history, growing up. When did you start becoming interested in mathematics?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: I was very interested in becoming an English professor first, but then I realized that math was sort of fun and it was like a game, actually. So at the beginning -- I went to Brooklyn Tech [High School] -- and at the beginning I was going to major basically in English, but then I realized that it was, math was sort of fun, so I decided to work on that instead. And it was, Brooklyn Tech was just about the best school I could have gone to. I had made all three of the schools: Stuyvesant, Bronx High School of Science and Brooklyn Tech, but I picked Brooklyn Tech. My brother had gone there before me and I realized I couldn't use my hands. So I said, \"Which one is the best one to go so that I can learn to use my hands?\" So I had four years of shops of all different kinds. Of course, I was miserable at the beginning. But by the time I was through, I was getting 90s and 95s in shop. So I learned to fix everything in the house, which was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=30.0,114.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=114.0,114.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: My mother and father never had to hire anybody to come and fix things in the house. I was always there to do it. It was great. And Brooklyn Tech was probably the best experience educationally of my life. They were tough. They were very tough. They had a Dean of Discipline, because they could send you back to your local schools anytime they wanted to. And I remember a woman coming in and starting to talk about her son, and the dean said to her, \"Don't tell me about your son. I'll tell you about your son.\" And they were extremely tough. When you walked through the halls, when you went on the right side, you stayed on the right side. When you went on the left side, you stayed on the left side. It was a disciplined environment, and it was great. It taught me how to -- how to live with the rest of the world, so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=114.0,179.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: And then I went to Brooklyn College because my parents couldn't afford to send me to Columbia or anything like that. So I went to Brooklyn College because it was free in those days. And that also was a wonderful experience. Great school, it was. And so I took a lot of math courses, obviously, and then when I was getting near the end, I was going to apply for a teaching assistantship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=179.0,211.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Did you know you always wanted to be a teacher?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=211.0,214.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=214.0,214.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. That's what you wanted to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=214.0,215.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: And so I was going to apply for, I applied to University of New Hampshire, University of California in Riverside, which was brand new in those days. And I was, they gave me on a second round at the University of New Hampshire. But because one of the teachers at Brooklyn College was well-known in math, and had wrote me a wonderful review, they gave me an assistantship at the University of California. So I went there, and unfortunately, I became so allergic to something in the desert that I stayed one semester. I taught my first college math course when I was 22, and...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=215.0,267.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Over there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=267.0,267.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: What?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=267.0,267.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Over there, or...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=267.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: In University of California, yeah, while I was a teaching assistant. And in November, I wrote a letter to St. John's University saying, \"I need a teaching assistantship because I'm coming back.\" And they gave it to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=270.0,287.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: That's good!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=287.0,289.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: For starting in the spring. And they liked me. And so after I got my master's degree at St. John's, I -- they liked me, so they gave me a job teaching. So I taught there for three years. And then the chairman of the department there [Richard Morgan] was friends with the chairman of the department at Queensborough [James Eastham]. And so I applied to Queensborough for a job. And surprisingly, as I said, they only hired two people and I was one of them. It was great. And so, I taught there and after two years, they gave me tenure. Which is unbelievable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=289.0,342.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: That was how long was required? It was a two-year tenure clock, or you just were able to get it? Was it a two-year tenure clock or you were just able to get it that early?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=342.0,351.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: What do you mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=351.0,354.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Was there a set time that you could get tenure by? Now it's seven..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=354.0,358.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah, in those days you could get it in two years. After that, it was not possible anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=358.0,364.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=364.0,364.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: In fact, some people waited seven years to get tenure eventually. But it was wonderful. I got to speak my piece, so to speak, without having to worry about anything terrible happening. And unfortunately, the chairman at that time, you don't want me to mention her name, do you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=364.0,385.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Well it's, you could mention names if...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=385.0,387.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: It was Helga Schwartz, and she had a little group of friends. It was all very political, and so I knew I would never get promoted while she was the chair of the department [1977-1979]. Fortunately, Allan Anderson came after her. He was a professor, I think, in Tennessee or someplace like that [Anderson taught at Western Kentucky State College and later Upsala College in New Jersey]. And his wife was a professor of biology [Lucia Anderson also taught at Queensborough]. And as soon as he became chairman [1979-1982], he won by one vote fortunately, I got promoted the next year to Assistant Professor. And, you know, I was always able to speak my piece and say what I thought, which was wonderful, because of tenure. And I mean, obviously her little group of friends didn't like me and they voted against me all the time for promotion. But as soon as I could, I got promoted to Associate Professor, and then I still couldn't get enough votes for Full Professor. It took five years because of her friends and the people that didn't like me. So I would lose by one vote or something like that every October.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=387.0,472.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Was that at the college level or department level?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=472.0,475.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: That was -- what do you mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=475.0,477.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Well, the department votes on your promotion and then the college P\u0026B [Personnel and Budget Committee] votes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=477.0,481.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah. It wasn't the college level. It was the department level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=481.0,482.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Department level, OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=482.0,484.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Until one summer, the chairman of the Nursing Department came to see me, and I was in charge of the summer session in math, and she said, \"Can you find somebody to help my nephew with math? He's having trouble. He's going to Manhattan College.\" So I said, \"Send him to me.\" So during the summer I worked with him in math. And at the end of the summer, she came over to me and she said, \"What did you do? He's enjoying math now and he's getting As and Bs in it.\" And then I knew that her vote would change in October, and I got promoted to Full Professor after that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=484.0,527.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: That's great!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=527.0,527.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: It was wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=527.0,531.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Is that when, so that was when all the chairs voted on your promotion? All the chairs of the college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=531.0,536.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah, the chairmen. When they had the, what do they call it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=536.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: The P\u0026B? The college P\u0026B?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=540.0,542.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah, yeah, the college P\u0026B. So I got promoted to Full Professor then, and it was wonderful. You can have whatever you like when you become a full professor in the City University. And I did. I taught three days a week, Monday, Tuesday and Thursday, never before noon [laughs], because I'm not a morning person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=542.0,564.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: No, neither am I. I always try to teach after.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=564.0,567.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: And so it was wonderful, and I became chairman of the department eventually [1990-1993].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=567.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Did you run for it or...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=574.0,576.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah, yeah. And I got promoted and I got the vote. And so for three years I was the chairman. But when you're the chairman of the department, you obviously have to act differently than when you're just a member of the department. So when I finished my three-year term as chairman, Helga came over to me and said, \"Thank you for being so fair with us,\" which was the greatest thing that could have happened, obviously. Because it showed once you're the chairman, you have to work for the entire department, not just for yourself or your friends. So it was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=576.0,623.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Do you remember what kind of things were going on when you were chair in those three years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=623.0,628.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Nothing really. Nothing dramatic. Oh, it was a big thing with the women and in those days, with the women getting promoted and things like that. But I was fair with everyone in the department. I don't know whether you remember way back in the '90s, there used to be a Yogurteria store on the corner of, what was it? Springfield Boulevard and the Long Island Expressway. And I owned it with a friend.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=628.0,663.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=663.0,663.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: And the school didn't like that, obviously. So the second time I ran, however, that's when Helga told me, thanked me for being kind, and I got a unanimous vote to get the second term, but I left after one year because I was sure they were going to fire me or something at Queensborough for that. And so, but it worked out fine. Everything worked out fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=663.0,699.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. That's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=699.0,700.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: It was great. And all the time I was doing this, I was going for my Ph.D. at Adelphi, and they offered after -- St. John's, they offered to give me a fellowship to go for the Ph.D. I said, \"No, it's time for me to go to work.\" And that's when I started to teach and do everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=700.0,727.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: So you went to Adelphi at night?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=727.0,728.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: So I did it at night, and in fact, they used my thesis. I didn't show you my thesis, but I could show it to you if you want. But it was great. I couldn't have asked for a better life or a better job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=728.0,752.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Who'd you work with at Adelphi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=752.0,754.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: At Adelphi? Well, Juliana Corn and I shared an office, and she was chairman for a while [at Queensborough, 1982-1990].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=754.0,761.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah, but Adelphi, who was your dissertation advisor? At Adelphi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=761.0,764.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Oh, Fred Pohle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=764.0,767.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. Yeah. His name's on a lot of things now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=767.0,769.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Remember John Chinkel? [An old friend who attended a number of the same schools as Chutsky and also Fred Pohle's nephew.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=769.0,769.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=769.0,771.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah. So Fred Pohle was my advisor, and he was wonderful. I didn't pass the exam the first time because there was an idiot in the department who told me what to study, and I studied it, and he asked all different questions in different areas when I got there. That's when Pohle took over, and he was wonderful, and he liked me, and the thesis is like 200 pages or something. And so it all went very well. And in fact, I taught for them one summer at Adelphi in linear algebra, some students. But no, it was wonderful. I had a wonderful time. I wish I could do my whole life over again. It was that good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=771.0,829.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Well, that's good! Yeah, I was at Adelphi as well in the '80s and '90s. That's where I got my doctorate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=829.0,837.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah. Were you there in the '80s and '90s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=837.0,838.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: In the '80s I was, yeah, late '80s and '90s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=838.0,842.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah, I was there in the '70s, obviously. I got my Ph.D. in '78, so I was there in the '70s, but it was wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=842.0,855.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: What was your dissertation topic?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=855.0,858.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Quaternions in pure and applied mathematics. You want to see the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=858.0,864.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Well just, I guess for the recording, what briefly, what are quaternions? For the recording, what are quaternions, just a brief description.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=864.0,872.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Quaternions are four-dimensional vectors, and don't ask me to prove anything anymore [laughs], but let me get the thesis. Let me show you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=872.0,883.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, well after then; we're recording, so I can look at it after.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=883.0,886.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: No, it was wonderful. And if you read that [CV], you saw I published some papers, obviously; I gave some talks, clearly. I worked for NYSMATYC [New York State Mathematics Association of Two-Year Colleges] and for AMATYC [American Mathematics Association of Two-Year Colleges], and it was wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=886.0,901.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: I mean, [Kurt] Schmeller was a, what do you call, a puppet president [1966-1999] of the college, clearly. And so I remember once I was on the committee for student government, and there were three faculty members, three students and three deans. And I remember saying to one of the deans, I said to him, \"You really should tell the secretary of student government that she should be a little more respectful of faculty.\" And the guy who was in charge of the thing said, \"That's because the faculty don't do any work.\" And so I said to him, \"Then how must she treat the deans?\" [laughs] And they almost collapsed. Obviously, I was not asked to be on that committee next year, even though the union, who loved me, brought it up for the faculty meeting at large and said, \"What happened to him?\" And the second in charge for the Dean of Students was a woman [Marcia V. Keizs] who later became president of York College [2005-2019].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=901.0,986.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Of York?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=986.0,987.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=987.0,988.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=988.0,988.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: And I remember, because I was on the P\u0026B in those days, when I was chairman, and I didn't vote for her for tenure [laughs] because she wasn't anything special, basically. But she got to be president of, what do you call, of York College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=988.0,1006.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1006.0,1009.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: And Russ Hotzler [Vice President of Academic Affairs] was wonderful. He was great. And so it was, he became president of Manhattan Community College, I believe. [He became president of New York City College of Technology in 2004.] And so I got along fine with everyone except, as I said, for Helga. When she died, I'm glad they didn't tell me when the funeral was, because I would have had things to say. [laughs] But I got along well with the students, clearly. I think I had three incidents with students. One when I was teaching a class and I asked a question of a student, and he said, and he couldn't give the answer. I said, \"Show me your homework.\" And he said, \"What are you stupid? Homework means it's at home.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1009.0,1062.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Hmm. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1062.0,1064.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Go to the dean's office, goodbye. I had another girl who used foul-mouth language to me. I sent her to the dean. But I could count on one hand the incidents I had in 37 years. I got along very well with the students. In fact, I'll tell you an interesting story. I had this big student. He was Black, and that's not important. But he was huge, and he couldn't pass the basic math course with anybody. So he took me and eventually he passed, and then he was going to Queens College. But he wasn't going to go in science, obviously. He was going to go in, what do you call, social thing? And so, I remember when he took the exam and the passing grade in the exam in math [the CMAT, CUNY Mathematics Assessment Test] was 25. When he left the room, I looked at his paper and he had 24 questions right. So I never told anybody that. So I erased one wrong answer, and I filled it in because I wasn't going to prevent him from going to Queens College for one math question. And I guess he was happy. He saw me in the street one day, he was very happy. I never told anybody that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1064.0,1149.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Well, If he did well there, then that's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1149.0,1151.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: But I was a student person. I got along well with the students. It was fine. Had no problems with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1151.0,1162.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK, that's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1162.0,1162.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: And in fact, at one point I talked to a person on the faculty and we talked about Schmeller, and he said, \"Oh, yeah, Schmelller mentioned. He said you're very fit to be chairman of the department.\" Well, of course, he never said that. But after I got to be chairman, I said, of course, \"You know,\" I told him, \"I'm never serving on a college committee again, because you made it too hard to get promoted.\" [laughs] And I never did. I was very straightforward. I never, like I said, I told him what I thought was, what I thought, and that was it. So I got along very well. And I told you, the second time I was reelected to chair with the unanimous vote in the department. So I have, like I said, it was a wonderful experience. I wish I could do the whole thing again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1162.0,1226.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Did you prefer being a chair? Did you like that in comparison to the teaching?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1226.0,1230.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: It was fine. Well, I had to be there all the time then. But it was fun. Being honest was fun. And I did treat her [Schwartz] and her friends well because they were members of the department, and I was chair of the department, and that's what you do. It wasn't a matter of personality at that point. It was a matter of putting the department first.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1230.0,1255.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Well, that's the way it should be. You should serve the department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1255.0,1257.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Because there were a group of people who voted against me for promotion from other departments all the time, because they didn't like me because I was very outspoken. But eventually one of them got fired -- he was the chair of the Business Department -- for using equipment from the department on his vacation or something. And so nobody told me that he was fired. Too bad. I would've gone and faced him at that point. [laughs] But it was fine. I got along well with people, basically. It was fine. And I loved it. 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I remember once I was giving them a test, I lifted up one of their papers, and there underneath were all the integrals that were on it and his friend the same. So I took their papers and I ripped it up, and I said, \"Now, go home over the weekend and find out what's going to happen.\" When they came in, I said, \"You're allowed one mistake. That will be your lowest grade, so it doesn't count.\" But, I said, \"You do it again and you're gone.\" So I never treated the students like they were subhumans or anything. You have to be honest with people and treat them well. They are human beings and they are students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1300.0,1356.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. But they should still do the work. So you made them do the work. You made them do the work; they had to get through without help.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1356.0,1364.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Oh, yeah. There was one that I liked a lot, I taught in summer school, and he still didn't pass at the end of summer school. There wasn't anything I could do. But he didn't take it personally because, you know. But that one student that I told you about that I remembered, he hugged me and he said, \"You're like my surrogate father.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1364.0,1385.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: That's nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1385.0,1387.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: It was. You have to treat people well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1387.0,1393.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: All right. That's good. OK, well, I'm going to go back a little bit, I guess. Do you remember back in Brooklyn College, any of the faculty that you worked with there, or it's...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1393.0,1404.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Well, Carl Boyer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1404.0,1405.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Carl Boyer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1405.0,1406.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Carl Boyer is the one that wrote me the wonderful thing that got me the assistantship at the University of California.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1406.0,1411.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1411.0,1414.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: He was, we got along just fine. He was very nice. He didn't give me an A all the time, but he was honest and he was fine. He was terrific.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1414.0,1424.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. And at St. John's, was there anyone who you worked with closely?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1424.0,1427.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: St. John's, I remember the...as I said, the chairman liked me a lot. I forgot his name already [Richard Morgan]. Of course, I've forgotten more and more things in the last two years [laughs]. But he was, we got along very well, and he's the one that recommended me to the chairman at Queensborough at that time [James Eastham], to hire. My life just flowed along. Everything just flowed. I remember one of the deans at Brooklyn College saying, \"You're not going to get a teaching assistantship anyplace because you only have a B average.\" But I got it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1427.0,1469.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: But you did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1469.0,1470.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: They offered it to me at the University of New Hampshire, but obviously I took the University of California. It was great. The students loved me at the University of California. We got along just fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1470.0,1486.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Do you remember, this was during the '60s. Do you remember any of the civil unrest at the time? The protests? Do you remember students protesting at the college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1486.0,1494.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: No, no. There really weren't. There really weren't in those days. Not at Brooklyn College, or not at St. John's. It was fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1494.0,1503.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: But was there...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1503.0,1504.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: I know you asked me that...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1504.0,1506.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Was there anything at Queensborough later, in the late '60s? Was there anything at Queensborough later in the late '60s and early '70s in terms of protests?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1506.0,1512.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: I don't recall anything dramatic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1512.0,1517.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. It was different at different colleges.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1517.0,1519.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: I know afterwards it became obvious that there was a problem in the '90s, clearly. But when I was teaching, it was wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1519.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. That's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1530.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: I mean, I wish I could just start all over again. It was great. Every winter was either St. Thomas or skiing in Colorado.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1530.0,1542.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1542.0,1543.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: And every summer was traveling around the world. I've seen everything. I've done everything. No, no regrets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1543.0,1553.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: That's nice. When you first started at Queensborough, do you remember any kind of construction? Were the buildings already constructed at that point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1553.0,1564.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Most of them were constructed. Later on, they reconstructed some of the buildings, like the Science Building and everything. But in those days, the buildings were quite new.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1564.0,1574.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: So the Math Department, for you, the Math Department was mostly where it's always been, on the second floor?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1574.0,1580.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1580.0,1580.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. Alright.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1580.0,1582.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: No, it was wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1582.0,1584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1584.0,1585.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: And like I said, Juliana Corn, she died a while ago [in 2019]. She was my favorite. We shared an office. She was chairman before me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1585.0,1594.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: She was the chair mostly in the '80s, before you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1594.0,1596.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Right, exactly. She was wonderful. We got along beautifully.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1596.0,1603.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah, I got to know her a little bit. I started in '98, so she was there a little while, while I was there [Corn retired in 2002].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1603.0,1607.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: No, she was a wonderful person. We got along just beautifully.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1607.0,1613.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. Do you remember how things changed when CUNY started charging tuition? How the students changed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1613.0,1622.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: When they had...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1622.0,1624.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: When they charged tuition. That happened in the '70s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1624.0,1628.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Well, I wasn't a part of that. I know they had loan programs and things like that, but I never concerned myself with the money end of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1628.0,1639.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Mmm-hmm. OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1639.0,1643.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: I mean, if I could help students, I would. In fact, once I had a 12-year-old student in my class. He was -- they asked me who could do that in the Math Department? Nobody wanted to do it. Because he was going to apply to Stuyvesant High School, and he wanted to know his math in order to get in and pass. And he took a course with me. His grandmother came with him, because they wouldn't let him come in by himself, and he did marvelously. And later she went to the dean and she said he was just wonderful. He passed the test and he went to Stuyvesant. So she was very happy and we got along fine. In fact, he was exempt from the final, but he said, \"No, I want to take the final.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1643.0,1692.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. What kind of course -- was he taking calculus-level work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1692.0,1696.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: No, no. This was just basic...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1696.0,1697.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach:...basic mathematics to get to Stuyvesant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1697.0,1700.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1700.0,1701.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1701.0,1701.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: But he worked hard and it was fine. We got along just fine. I got along with almost...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1701.0,1708.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: That's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1708.0,1709.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky:...all of my students, It was great. I know that certain people in the department, one actually had a student beat him up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1709.0,1726.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, Mike Brozinsky told me about that. [See Michael Brozinksy interview.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1726.0,1727.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah, Mike Brozinsky.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1727.0,1727.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yes, that's in his interview!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1727.0,1730.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: See, I never had that problem. I never had a problem with the students except for those three or four times. And then it wasn't physical. It was simply they were rude or something like that. They said something bad, and then I sent them to the dean, but I didn't have them expelled or anything like that. \"Take it again with another teacher, go away.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1730.0,1759.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Do you remember when CUNY had the retrenchment in 1976? Do you remember any of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1759.0,1768.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1768.0,1769.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Because I know they let go a bunch of faculty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1769.0,1771.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: I think Mike Brozinsky at that point was let go for a while, and then he came back. 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But then, it can then get tied into the promotions, whether or not you get one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1801.0,1808.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Well, I wasn't going to fight for a promotion by sucking up to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1808.0,1811.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1811.0,1811.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: That was not going to happen. So I mean, and the union liked me, and so, but that still didn't get me promoted, the last promotion, for five years. Because until that one woman, the chair of the Nursing Department, changed her vote. Because I was always missing by one vote, and she changed her vote because I helped her. I didn't do it for that reason, by the way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1811.0,1840.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: That's just who you were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1840.0,1841.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: What?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1841.0,1842.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: That's just who you were. You would help people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1842.0,1844.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah. So I taught him some math over the summer while I was in between classes teaching. And it was wonderful. He never said anything to me. But like I said, his mother did come over and say to me, \"What did you do?\" She was very pleased, and he got to go to Stuyvesant, which was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1844.0,1871.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: That's good. Do you remember the courses that you taught? What kind of courses did you tend to teach?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1871.0,1879.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Oh, basic calculus [MA-441, 442, 443 Analytic Geometry and Calculus I, II, III], things like that. Linear algebra [MA-461], things like that. And a lot of remedial math. Everyone taught some remedial math, clearly. And that's where you get to help the students, because you get to prepare them properly to take the regular math courses. So it was fun. It was fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1879.0,1904.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: How did you feel -- did you feel the remediation changed over the years in terms of how many students needed it or...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1904.0,1910.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Oh, yeah. Yeah. People needed it a lot more after they, after the tuition thing. People wanted to take it in order to be able to continue and go on to Queens College or Borough of Manhattan or something like that. But no, I had girl students come over and hug me and kiss me on the cheek and the whole thing. I got along. I was very happy, very happy. I had no problem. I mean, to be there for 37 years, obviously I must've been happy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1910.0,1952.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Did you think the remediation changed in terms of what was requested? Or it stayed, was the remediation the same from the way it was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1952.0,1960.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: No, it was a lot harder for them because they weren't prepared. I mean, the students were much less prepared towards the end. At the beginning it was easier. They worked harder and everything. But then of course, the high school level deteriorated somewhat. And so by the time they got to Queensborough, some of them couldn't do anything. 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So it was, but it was fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=1997.0,2003.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2003.0,2005.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: One of them actually said, \"Can I come to your house and you can help me?\" And I said no [laughs]. I didn't want to show any favoritism whatsoever. 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Like I said, I got, the nicest part was the diversity, because you got to teach students from all over the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2023.0,2038.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Well, Queens is extremely diverse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2038.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Oh, it was wonderful. It was wonderful. I mean, all different languages, all kinds of, all different religions, all kinds of backgrounds. It was sensational. I learned more than they learned, basically. 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I've been to Machu Picchu five times; the Galapagos, three times. I've been to the Great Barrier Reef in Australia six times. In those days -- because I've always had problems with my hearing. And I had major surgery in 1979, and I had one of the heads of surgery at New York Eye and Ear Infirmary, and we got to be friends. He was from North Korea actually, and we got along beautifully. And so he said to me, eventually -- I've never had to make an appointment with him at the hospital. He said, \"Just call and they'll make room.\" His secretary said, \"We'll make room for you.\" And so he, but he said, eventually, he said, \"Look.\" He did his best job on my ear, obviously. And he said, \"You can't go diving, but you can go swimming and snorkeling. Just use these earplugs,\" he said. And so I got 35 years of being able to do that. 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Well, let's see. I've been to Antarctica.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2170.0,2175.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, you've been there as well, OK. Sometimes that's the one that's hard to get to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2175.0,2180.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: And I was supposed to go to Greenland, I told you, and they closed the border three days before I got there. So I got to see only Iceland and Boston. But I'm not going back just to see Greenland, clearly. 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You've been here so many times.\" And I said, \"No. I'd rather have the room I have, because I can walk to the end of the island where there's some of the best snorkeling on the island and do it from there. So I'll stick with the room I have.\" And so it was wonderful. And of course, on Lizard Island [Australia], the owner came and took me to dinner because I'd been there six times, to see the Great Barrier Reef, the whole thing. And it was sensational. I got to, I had friends, I made friends in Egypt. 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He lived in Maine, but he would come and stay with her for like three weeks. And she didn't need anybody to stay with her, but she wanted him to come. That was her favorite. So she...he'd go back a broken man, by the way; he'd stay in a dark room for two days after he got back. But I mean, one point when she was 85, she said, \"I just want to die.\" And I said, \"Lie on the couch, cross your hands over your chest, and maybe you'll get lucky.\" I was very, she made me very tough. When I was 15 years old, she said, \"No more summers off.\" I worked in vegetable stores, I worked in supermarkets, I did everything. So I worked and I worked and I worked. And it was sensational. 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You work hard, but then you have the time off to do other things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2354.0,2358.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: You have the time off, which is wonderful. And especially when you get to be a full professor you get to, you really get to do everything you want. So, she went in the hospital finally on Thanksgiving, and she died on Christmas Day, and I had reservations to go on vacation to Machu Picchu. Where did I have reservations to go to? I forgot. But anyway, a week after she died, and I went, because she never took a car service, she didn't drive. I took care of her until she died, and that was fine. 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And then they bought the house. And so it was wonderful. 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I don't remember. Because as I said, I never taught a computer science course. I was not a computer person, and I still am not, basically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2513.0,2525.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. All right. Well, at that point, you didn't have to teach computer science courses if you didn't want to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2525.0,2534.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: No. I taught the math. That was math in those days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2534.0,2540.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. Do you remember what sort of services were you doing for the department and college that you remember?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2540.0,2547.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: What do you mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2547.0,2548.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: What kind of department committees or college committees?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2548.0,2551.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Oh, gee. I told you I was on that committee for student government.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2551.0,2555.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Student government.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2555.0,2557.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: And, I don't even remember. It's all in that paper. 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I could look it up...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2562.0,2564.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: If you want to take the paper back with you...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2564.0,2566.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: No, no, I have it. I scanned it. So, did you feel that the students changed over the years in terms --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2566.0,2574.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Oh yeah, definitely. Definitely. There was a big change when they went to paying to get in than before. [CUNY began charging tuition in 1976.] The students had came in much better prepared before that than after that. Well, I had to work a lot harder to get them to learn. In those days, at the beginning, it was wonderful because the students went because they wanted to go, and it was great. But as I said, the best part of it was the diversity. It was sensational. 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Did you feel the curriculum changed over the years in terms of what the Math Department was doing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2647.0,2654.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Well, of course. It became more and more remedial. At the beginning, we got to teach courses at all levels. 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So I'm not aware of a lot of the things that were done. But it was, most of it happened after I was finished [Alan retired in 2005]. Remember, it has been how many years since I finished?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2680.0,2699.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: 18, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2699.0,2701.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: 18 years. 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Well, those were just, it's all in the, you have to read that paper...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2754.0,2759.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Well, you were with NYSMATYC and I think the MAA [Mathematical Association of America]...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2759.0,2762.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: ...what I did with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2762.0,2765.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2765.0,2765.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: And I don't remember, believe me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2765.0,2767.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Did you continue to be involved after you retired?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2767.0,2769.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: No, my mind is going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2769.0,2772.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: That's OK. Well, it's...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2772.0,2775.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: But in here you'll find copies of the papers that I published and also what I did with NYSMATYC and what I did with AMATYC. So take this back with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2775.0,2785.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Alright, well, I scanned it so I have it. Let's see. How do you feel the college treated women and underrepresented groups over the years by the department or the college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2785.0,2797.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: No, we had no problem whether they were women or whether they were men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2797.0,2801.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. So it was fair?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2801.0,2802.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: It was fair. It was fair. There was no problem with that whatsoever. Not at Queensborough anyway, because they were used to diversity. So it was not anything special to go from women to men. 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I mean, ziplining over Victoria Falls, also in Guatemala, also -- all over. And I got to meet people that I liked in Egypt because I was there 12 times and it was fantastic. I mean, you couldn't have asked for more in life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2847.0,2879.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Alright, that's good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2879.0,2880.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: And why didn't I ever get married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2880.0,2884.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: You were too [busy traveling]...Why didn't you ever get married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2884.0,2886.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Because all the women I went out with were stronger-willed than me, and that wasn't going to work out. 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I did enough libraries at Columbia University, all over, for the thesis. It was a lot of work. I mean, Pohle was great because he taught me how to do that. And he even said, at certain points, he said, \"I learned something from that now.\" After I did various things, so what could I ask for? And who was the other guy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2906.0,2937.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Oh, [John] Chinkel? You mean...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2937.0,2938.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: What? No, no. Who was the other guy? Teacher at Adelphi?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2938.0,2945.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Besides Pohle? I don't know. Who was there back then? [Herbert] Kranzer maybe? Was Kranzer there at Adelphi? There was Kranzer, [Robert] Payton, [William] Quirin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2945.0,2954.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: No, it was somebody else. I forgot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2954.0,2958.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: I'm not sure about the '70s. I know who was there in the '90s. I met Pohle once. They have a set of talks...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2958.0,2968.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: He was a tough cookie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2968.0,2969.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. I never took anything with him. But I know they have a set of, they do talks now, a set of talks named after him. [The Frederick V. Pohle Colloquium in the History of Mathematics was established in October 1998.] They have monthly talks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2969.0,2978.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: No, no. He was wonderful. He was just great. Couldn't have asked for more in my life or in my work. So it was great. I mean, all the things I got to do around the world. 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Let me see if there's any other, I think I answered most of the questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=2999.0,3008.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: You have more?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3008.0,3008.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: I think I have answered the questions. Let me see, just look it over. Let's see. All right. I think I have everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3008.0,3021.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Let me get a copy of my thesis and I'll show you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3021.0,3025.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK, well let me just...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3025.0,3027.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Here. It's right here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3027.0,3027.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. [At this point Alan brings a copy of his doctoral thesis, \"Quaternions in Pure and Applied Mathematics,\" from Adelphi University.] Oh nice. So it's...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3027.0,3040.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: He Xeroxed it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3040.0,3042.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah. Alright. Yes. 200 pages. Yes. Alright. That's very nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3042.0,3049.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Yeah, it was interesting. I mean, 205 pages. Oh my God. I don't think I could ever do that again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3049.0,3059.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Well, you only have to do this once.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3059.0,3061.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3061.0,3064.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: That's very nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3064.0,3066.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: But it was nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3066.0,3067.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK. Alright. Any other interesting stories to tell that you remember? Or I think you told a bunch of stories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3067.0,3078.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: I don't know except...except for Helga [Schwartz] and her friend Mickey [Marcelle] Bessman, who I made cry once. That was the high point of my day. And she left and went someplace else [Jacksonville University]. And yeah, Mike Brozinsky and I got along beautifully. 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I mean, Juliana died. So other than that, no, that's in the past.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3119.0,3133.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: All right. That's fine. OK. I think that's it then. Well, thank you, Alan. Thank you for answering all the questions. You tell a lot of interesting stories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3133.0,3142.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: If you have any questions, call me up. It's fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3142.0,3143.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3143.0,3144.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: And you've read this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3144.0,3145.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: I did. I looked it over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3145.0,3147.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: Alright. You sure?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3147.0,3148.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3148.0,3149.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: You don't need it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3149.0,3149.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patrick Wallach: No, no. I'll stop these now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3149.0,3152.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466/transcript/76794/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alan Chutsky: You've had enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/143946/file/266466#t=3152.0,3153.39755"}]}]}]}