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Following his graduation in 1968, Milich earned his J.D. from New York University Law School and became a CPA. He joined the Accounting faculty at Queens in 1978 and taught there until his retirement in January 2023.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIn this interview, Milich recalls both his student and faculty years at Queens, including the many changes to the campus environment he witnessed in the 48 years he spent there. He recounts his challenging path to earning tenure, and speaks of his special affection for advisement, which began in his student days as a volunteer in the Office of Student Affairs. He later established a highly regarded student advisement program in the Accounting department, which he ran for more than 20 years. 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Hi. OK. I'll just do a little preli-, preliminary so they know who we are and what we're doing. OK?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=0.0,8.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=8.0,8.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: I am Rebecca Rushfield. It is Friday, June 3rd, 2022. I am speaking to Marvin Milich, who was a Queens College alumni and faculty member, and now retired faculty member, about his relationship with the college, with Queens, with anything else that we manage to cover in the time that we're speaking. So, anyway, we know that you spent part of your childhood in Queens. From what you wrote, you grew, you were born in Brooklyn...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=8.0,47.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Right. I was born in, born in Crown Heights in Brooklyn and moved when I was a little past 9 years of age in 1955 to Forest Hills. So I was in the middle of fourth grade when I moved to Queens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=47.0,61.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: So you think of yourself as someone who comes from Queens? Or, in your mind, are you still from Brooklyn?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=61.0,66.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Well, I still. I, if any, I still -- I guess I still have my roots in Brooklyn, so, you know. Crazy Brooklyn Dodger fan and everything. Devastated when they left. I moved 10 days after they won their one and only World Series in 1955.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=66.0,80.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Wow! [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=80.0,80.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: But I, you know. I know my real, my long-term roots obviously were in Queens. So I was...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=80.0,88.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right. OK. So, growing up in, living in Forest Hills, going to Forest Hills High School, then when it came time to think about going to college, was it a given that you would go to Queens or did you think about...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=88.0,103.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: No, I wanted to go to, I wanted to go to an out of town school. I don't know why I picked this little school in Pennsylvania called Franklin and Marshall. In fact, it was an all-boys school there. Another rea-... nonsense. I have no idea why I picked it, but I, I think I was intending to be an accounting major all the way. I did very, I just had this, I don't know, talent or whatever for accounting. I was, I was, by the time I was 15, I was keeping all of the -- my father's and uncle's fur business, where I worked as a child -- I kept all their books and records. In high school, the high school accounting teacher basically told me I was too good for the class. Gave me a hundred and told me to make up the exams for the rest of the class. So, I wanted to go to a school, and they were very strong back then in accounting. My parents being both European immigrants did not want their child to go away from, from their home. You know, that was anathema to them. So, as I always had been a negotiator, I negotiated. And I told them that if they would buy me a car of my own, I would stay at home and go to Queens College. There was no tuition. It was a good deal for them. And so, they bought me a car. I went to driver's ed so I could drive at 17. So the last six months of high school, you know, I was a big macher, driving. Not too many kids drove to high school in New York City.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=103.0,189.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right. Right. What kind of car did you have?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=189.0,191.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: I had a 1964 Comet Caliente. Pacific blue. But for whatever reason, my father got a very high 289 cubic engine with four barrels. And it was a very fast car. It was a four-door sedan. A tough-looking, fast car.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=191.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right. But you didn't drive it to school? There was no place to park.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=210.0,213.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: I didn't drive it. I -- you know, I didn't drive it much to high school because there was really no place to park. Obviously, I drove it to Queens College for my whole four years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=213.0,222.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right. And back then -- I know this is a stupid question, but back then, was there street parking around or...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=222.0,229.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: So street parking was always very difficult. Maybe that's one of the reasons I became a student activist so I got a parking spot on campus. [laughs] As a senior, I had my own reserved spot. Right behind the -- it was called the CMC [College Memorial Center], which is now, I don't know what building -- I Building now, I guess. So I had my own reserved spot and...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=229.0,250.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: One of the old little bungalows in the center?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=250.0,253.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: That was where the, that was before -- that was the student union before they built the Student Union. OK? Now it's really more computer and stuff like that. So it was, I had a, I had a reserved spot right by the loading dock. So that was a real pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=253.0,266.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: So you mentioned you were a student activist. What were you active in? [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=266.0,272.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Oh, a lot of things. Well, when I was a senior, student government. When I was a senior, I was chief officer of the Student Senate. I was a National Student Association delegate. That was, that was something I was elected to by the student body, between my junior and senior year. I was treasurer of Central House Plan. So, you know, I had a lot of positions there, so... 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I got active mainly when I was a senior -- I was late -- in B'nai B'rith Youth, which was AZA, Aleph-Zadik-Aleph. So, and, for whatever reason, because I came in so late, in my freshman year of college, I stayed active in that organization, in B'nai B'rith. Which was really mainly high school students. So then when I was a sophomore, a friend of mine from, from AZA, was getting involved in student government and he told me to get involved in student government. And, so I did. And, first thing I think I did when I was a sophomore, there unfortunately someone had died at Melbourne [Avenue] gate during that year, and we were going to have a protest for a stop sign. OK? And I ran that stop sign protest. I remember in my parents' living room, people making stop signs and everything. And that was my first introduction to student government. And then I became publicity director of, of Student Association. And then I started meeting people in Student Association who were in house plans. OK? And, and specifically Kingston House. And so I met Mark Wintner and Dave Mintzes and Richie Branciforte. And they got me to basically apply to go into Kingston House. And then once I was in Kingston House, Richie, Richie Branciforte, who was president of CHP, got me to, onto the board there and I became treasurer of Central House Plan, which was a lot of fun. Handled a lot of money. Ran the, what they called the Champagne Ball. I think in the Huntington Townhouse, we must have had 600 people the year I ran it. It was -- we had the Shirelles. I mean, it was a real big event. So, I did a lot of stuff. I did a lot of stuff like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=303.0,416.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Did you have time for classes while you were doing all of this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=416.0,419.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: I did all, I did all my classes. Yeah. Accounting -- I still was, I was an accounting major, and again, accounting came very easy to me, so I didn't have to work too hard. In those days you had very few elective courses because the accounting major was like 60 credits. And there were like 50 credits of required courses. So you only had that choice for like four or five electives. And then I became, in my last year, I decided to become a dual major in economics because I decided I wanted to apply to law school. And the law schools didn't like accounting majors. They thought they weren't, you know, they were too technical and they weren't liberal artsy enough. So I wanted to write economics on my law school application. So I changed to a dual major, so...so that kept me busy. 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And I was getting a little, it was getting a little mundane, a little boring. So I thought I'd combine accounting and tax and become a tax attorney. It never worked out that way. I wound up being a real estate attorney, but, you know, it's the luck of the draw of who you might meet along the way and stuff. That's what happens. So, but I was, because of the Vietnamese War, and I was fortunate enough not to be drafted -- I got some kind of bogus exemption -- I was able to get into NYU Law, which was, you know, an excellent top 10 law school even then. So.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=466.0,505.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right. Before we go on to law school, on your survey form, you wrote that you founded LeMar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=505.0,514.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Oh, did I put that down there? Yes. So LeMar, LeMar is a, was a national organization for the legalization of marijuana. OK. You have to understand in the '60s, we were dealing with the Rockefeller drug laws. So if you were arrested with one joint, OK, that was a felony and a five-year minimum term. And that I thought was definitely injustice. So, when I got involved with LeMar, I decided to start a chapter on campus. It was a political organization. It actually still exists today. It's called NORML -- National Organization for the Reform of the Marijuana Laws. They've been around forever. So they just changed the name from LeMar. So, it was a, you know -- it wasn't an organization where people would get together just to smoke dope or whatever, you know. That was not the idea. It was a political, it was a political organization to work for the changing in the law. Which we worked for decriminalization way before legalization -- where they just wouldn't enforce the laws. But it was strange the, the day that article -- and I remember Ruth, little Ruthie Horowitz who became Ruth Frisz, you know, ran, ran the, student peer program for so many -- she was my, she was my faculty advisor on my charter. And, the day Phoenix published a story about LeMar, I became known as the biggest drug dealer on campus. 'Cause I, the drug revolution was just starting, and it was important for people to know somebody who was involved with drugs. So even though I never sold any drugs to anybody, I became known as the biggest drug dealer on campus because I started LeMar. It was very funny.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=514.0,612.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Did that hurt your chances with law schools? Or it was good because you were in politics?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=612.0,622.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: You know, no, it never came up in my law school application. After I graduated law school and passed the bar, you have to go to a character committee. And, I thought it might have some effect there, but I didn't volunteer it and I was never asked. So, you know, don't ask, don't tell. 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After...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=640.0,647.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Which one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=647.0,648.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Kennedy for President.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=648.0,651.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Oh yeah. I was, I had a, I had a, I had a client who ran for Congress and I was his treasurer. And we had no, we had no -- we didn't know what we were doing, but we came. We ran and we came in, I think it was a seven-party, a seven-man race for, for the first congressional seat. He was, the longtime Congressman was retiring and there were like seven Democrats. And I think we ran fourth in the primary -- which was OK. We did OK. And then a couple years later, when Kennedy, when Ted -- it was after, it was after -- Ted Kennedy, not Bobby Kennedy. It was when Ted Kennedy launched his camp-, his unsuccessful campaign for presidency. We ran the Long Island division. So that was, that was...Yeah, that was in, I don't know, what year? That was seventy-, '76, maybe? Seventy-., maybe '78? Something like that. [Editor's note: Sen. Ted Kennedy ran a primary campaign against incumbent President Jimmy Carter from November 1979 to August 1980.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=651.0,704.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right, right. OK. If I could go back to Queens College for a minute. The accounting department, when you were in Queens College...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=704.0,711.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: So there was no accounting department. There was no accounting department. The accounting department was a subdivision of the economics department. So the accounting, If you were to look, if you take a look at a bulletin from 1965, '66, '67, you will not see an accounting department. So it's sort, sort of like what risk management was to economics -- where they were part of the department. So, our courses were all different. I mean, they were basically the same courses with different numbers and they had separate professors and stuff. But, by the time I came back to teach in '78, we had been established as a department. Actually, the, there was an interim time where the department was being phased out. Let's see, I graduated in '68...I think '69, '70 or '71, they were phasing it out where students would have to go two years to Queens and two years to Baruch. By the time the first group were having to go to Baruch after those two years, they brought, they reinstituted the department with the help of Lou Geller, who was a longtime chair there. And he got the department reestablished and independent from economics. It's been independent since the mid '70s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=711.0,782.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: When you were a student, were there many people majoring in accounting? If you could major.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=782.0,791.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: I don't know how many majors, because I wasn't involved at that time, but I mean, no, no, it's a substantial number. I mean, I think, I think we probably still had, we were, I think we ran the economics department. I think we had more majors than they had in eco. OK. So, and, but -- no, we had big classes, big lecture classes. So I think we had a substantial number of majors. I can't tell you a number, but, I guess I can go do a CUNY First query. I don't know if they'll go back that far.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=791.0,820.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: But It was a substantial number.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=820.0,822.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Yeah. It was definitely a substantial number. And it was a different school then, you know. It was made up -- I mean, you needed like almost a 90 average in high school. They didn't, they didn't do SATs. They didn't care about them. But it basically went strictly on high school average and you needed a, like a 90, 91 average to get into Queens College. Otherwise you would go to...like some people would go to Brooklyn College because it was easier to get into, even though they lived in Queens. And then, of course, if you didn't have anywhere near that, then you would go to the community colleges and try to do well and transfer or come in with an associate's degree. 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You know, we called it the, first of all, we called it the, you know, the Ivy league of the, of the city, you know. I mean, it was. And even though, even at that time, what I hear, they were very competitive in paying their professors compared to private colleges. So they attracted very high-level professors and, you know, it was all before the City went bankrupt and everything like that. So that changed a lot of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=863.0,891.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: OK. Also, while we're talking about Queens, before we go on. You as a student at Queens. When you were involved in house plans -- I mean, I've spoken to other people who've talked about house plans and how they made their best friends for life there and it, they met their spouses. It just was their whole world. Was it that for you, or...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=891.0,910.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: It was not that. It was not that for me, it was not that for me. I mean, I was more interested in the governance part. So, from the day I got into the house plan, I really did more work with Central House Plan -- the overall administrative body of all the house plans -- than I did for my individual house plan. I had individual friends, OK. We had a nice house on Union Turnpike, which is now a library. And, I made some friends there. But I didn't, it wasn't my -- some people, you know, I mean they spent 12 hours a day in that house. You know. That, that was not me. OK? I did, I did other things. I had my, I spent a lot more time on campus because a lot of the jobs I did were more campus-related. And so...but I did. I did, you know, I was in one, I did do one Frolics skit one year, I think when I was a junior or a senior. And so I did that bit. And, you know, I went to some, a lot of events, but, you know, I wasn't Mickey Kail or one of those people or Vic [unclear name] or something, who devoted their whole lives to that. I was really. And my friends in my year, in '68. Like, well, Rich Branciforte was '67. So even, even he was a year ahead of me. But the '68 guys had a little, had a little different -- I don't think they were as, devoted to, to putting in that much time and effort into the house plan as the older guys were. I don't know how, I don't know how far. Did you? In your research, when did the house plans go to? '72? '71?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=910.0,1001.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: The truth is by '72, they were gone by that. Yeah. I mean, I came into Queens in September of '72 and there was nothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1001.0,1015.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Really. I think, you know, I wonder why -- I'm sure maybe you researched why that happened. I think part of it, I think, was the student revolts and rebellions and the unrest, I think part of it might have been the drug revolution. I think there are a lot of things that contributed to the downfall of those social organizations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1015.0,1034.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Sort of, it seemed old-fashioned. I think about when I was in high school. And I think they still had proms in high school, but nobody went because that was sort of so passé.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1034.0,1046.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: I went to, I went to the, I went to the freshman, I went to the freshman prom at Queens College. It was at the Roosevelt Raceway Cloud Casino Restaurant. So I went to, so I went to the freshman prom. I'm not sure if I went to any proms after that, but we had events, like I said. We did, we called it the Champagne Ball at Central House Plan. That was a big event. 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So the, the...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1097.0,1099.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: They did have, they did have fundraising events.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1099.0,1101.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: OK. So is there anything, any professors who particularly were good when you were there? Or, I won't say terrible, we'll forget those. But I mean, anyone who really had an influence?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1101.0,1119.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Stuck out? In my, well, I had a law professor who was actually an adjunct, David Sachs, who was actually the son of Dean Sachs from Baruch, who was supposed to go to...He was supposed to go to med school and changed to law school after he graduated. It was a great story. And then he, and I had him for law for a couple of classes and he was my favorite teacher. He later became, I ran into him in NYU again. He was going for his doctor of laws and he became a New York City judge afterwards. So he was one of my...I liked, uh, I liked...I'm trying to think of accounting professors. I don't know, Lou Geller, who ran the department, was an excellent professor. As far as other professors, we had some crazy guys like Willie Withers, who taught corporate finance. And he was a fun guy who used to give stock tips to all the students, of stocks to buy and things like that. Some crazy characters. But, you know, that...I was more, I was more...my allegiance was more with, even now, you know, I've become known in my career, my faculty career, as being -- advisement is my balliwick, OK? And I run the advisement program at the undergraduate program and, I'm the graduate director of the accounting program. And I advise all 200 students in the program. But I mean personal advisement. I register every one of them personally. They can't even go on CUNYFirst and register. So it's real advisement. But even when I was a young student, I always leaned towards advisement. I worked, I worked in the Office of Student Affairs when I was a junior and senior. Just, just volunteered there. And I would run the desk. And when students would come in with questions, you know, I would be able to answer. I knew the, I knew the bulletin frontwards and backwards and every page of it. And I could answer almost every question. So I worked with people like --oh God, I can't even remember the team -- uh, Brundage. I remember he was, I liked him. He was, I don't think he was...he became Dean later, but I don't remember what his title. Helen Hendricks, who they named an award after. She was my, one of my best friends. And people like that. So I hung out in that office in Powdermaker -- well, it was, it was Social Science, it wasn't Powdermaker Hall then. I think it was SS110. They were in Social Science 110. I hung out there for hours every day. So while my, some of my friends would be in the house plan, I would be there volunteering my services. That's, that's what I love to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1119.0,1280.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: When you came back as a faculty member, were some of the people who had been your professors still working there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1280.0,1287.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Yes. Oh yeah. Several of them were there. Ralph Ledley was still there. Lou Geller was still there. Rosenfeld was still there. There were, several of my professors were still there. And some of the administrators were there. So, like Helen Hendricks was still there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1287.0,1302.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Was it psychologically for people a different, a difficult transition to see you as a colleague versus knowing you as a student, or...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1302.0,1312.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: You know, I don't, I don't think so. I don't think it ever, I don't think it ever came up, you know. I was out of there for exactly 10 years so, you know, I was, it wasn't like it was a year or two later, you know, like. I did, you know, I did my thing. I did three years of law school. I did two years with Arthur Anderson, so I could get my CPA in addition to my law degree. And then I was working, you know, for five years in, for basically a builder. But when the builder went bankrupt, that I was basically in-house counsel for, I had a friend -- probably my, still my best friend, Lenny Schultz, who was working at Ernst and Whinney, I guess it was at that time. And he got a job teaching at Queens. And one of the law professors was going on leave and they, he asked me if I wanted to come in there. It was no searches or anything. You went for an interview, boom, you were hired. They didn't have all these kind of...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1312.0,1365.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: It was different back then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1365.0,1367.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Yeah. Very different back then. And then the, and then what happened is, he was coming back and he extended for a second year his leave. So I was there and after the second year, he said he was coming back. He came back for two weeks and left. And they rehired me permanently. And that was, the rest is history, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1367.0,1384.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Now this was, you were hired as a part-time faculty member?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1384.0,1387.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: No, I was originally hired as a, as a substitute assistant professor for somebody who was on leave. And then again, I was a substitute again. And then again, a substitute. And then they found out that I was illegally -- you weren't supposed to be a substitute for more than two years, and here I was a substitute for four years. So I made a deal with the school and the union, and they all signed this stipulation saying, I'll go back to year zero when it came to going for tenure. So, I did that. And then when I finally went up for tenure, I was denied tenure. And then I filed a, an arbitration proceeding against the school. Against, for my denial. Against Shirley Kenny. They denied my tenure because they feel, felt I hadn't published enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1387.0,1433.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Uh-huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1433.0,1435.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: So, I, after I filed my notice of claim and for arbitration, I entered into a settlement with them where I got demoted from an assistant professor back to a lecturer, and I had to teach one extra class and start again and give me five more years to get tenure. So, then I got tenure, after that, and I got promoted to associate professor. So I think I was probably, yeah, probably, I probably set a record at the college. I got tenure in my 15th year. \u003claughs\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1435.0,1463.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Wow. Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1463.0,1465.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: So, well, mostly. It was a five-year tenure track and I got it in my 15th year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1465.0,1469.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right. So what did you publish? Law?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1469.0,1473.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: I published law. It was always law. Never, never...and it was different. It wasn't, it wasn't so much as research, it was more like I published in law review journals, you know, about current case law and things like that. Something that was, that was prominent. But they were in prominent law journals. And I did that. And once I got that out of the way, I was...you know, to me, research and publishing was a necessary evil, you know. I know there are three components to, you know, supposedly to getting tenure. Teaching, you know, research and service. I was more into teaching and service. 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I never taught accounting. Just business law. There are three business law classes, and I've taught all three of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1520.0,1528.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: And they're sequential? Or you have to take...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1528.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: They're generally sequential. They used to be all required. Now, since the CPA exam doesn't have much business law in it too much, and a lot of the courses are geared toward the CPA exam, now we, the third business law class is an elective. So only two law classes are required.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1530.0,1549.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right. So people either are very lucky because they like the way you teach, or they're unlucky because they don't like the way you teach. I just, I have to say, I went on Rate My Professor to see...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1549.0,1561.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Oh, I've never gone on there. How bad am I?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1561.0,1564.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: You're either fabulous or horrible. There's no middle ground. People either give you all fives or ones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1564.0,1572.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: \u003cLaughs\u003e That's funny. I never go on Rate My Professor. Never look at that site.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1572.0,1575.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right. You know, people...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1575.0,1577.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: I'm sure the ones who don't like me probably think, you know, that my exams are too hard or...right? Or I, or I go too fast or things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1577.0,1587.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Or too much work. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1587.0,1588.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: I give them the opportunity, they want to record the class, you know, they've always had the opportunity to record the class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1588.0,1593.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Well, it's interesting. There are people, the ones who like you say you're the funniest, most interesting lecturer. And the ones who don't like you say you're a very boring lecturer. I'm trying to think, how could they be in the same class?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1593.0,1607.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Well, probably the ones that say that, they don't come to class. \u003claughs\u003e So, I think the class, you know. And the idea is, as I tell my students, you know, if you, if you come into this class unprepared, you're going to find this hour and 15 minutes is like going to the dentist twice a week. You know, it's going to be very painful. But if you can come, if you come in having read the chapter and ready to learn, you know, you're going to have this, it's going to pass like in a second. And it'll be a very interesting discussion. You know, when I was young and I started teaching, I said, well, I'm going to...I learned law in the Socratic method at NYU Law, so I said, I'm going to teach the Socratic method here at the college. Well, that was such a disaster my first year, because the students don't come in prepared like we did in law school. And if you just start asking questions rather than lecturing, they must be prepared. It works beautifully if -- it worked beautifully in NYU Law and I loved it, but it was...so I switched to a lecture slash discussion approach after my first year of the Socratic method not working.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1607.0,1673.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: So NYU Law was your top choice for law school? That's where you wanted to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1673.0,1678.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Correct. Yes. I actually didn't think I was going to get in there. I got into Fordham, paid my money and was ready to go in, and I was waitlisted at NYU. And I found out a month before school started, or two months before, that I got in. I'm sure only because so many of the other applicants got drafted. And therefore...so I did that. I was active in student activities at NYU too. NYU Law. I just always geared that way. So, I was associate editor of moot courts. I ran the whole moot court system for the first years when I was a second year. They were switching their grading system from A-B-C-D-F to high pass...oh, honors, high pass, pass and stuff. And I was on that student committee that changed the grading system. So, I was always involved in that kind of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1678.0,1728.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Wow. You are a very involved person in everything. So can I ask? Your parents, as immigrant Jewish parents, were they thrilled when you went to become a lawyer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1728.0,1739.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Yeah, they were happy with it. They weren't, you know, they weren't \"my son the doctor\" type of people, you know. I worked in my father's fur factory...oh God. I think I started every Saturday when I was seven years old. My first full-time summer was 11 years old. And I worked every Saturday and every summer, except 1968 after graduation from Queens, when I drove cross-country with two friends, both from Kingston House, until...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1739.0,1770.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Were they the ones who met up? Were you the people who met up with a bunch of girls from one of the girls' house plans in California?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1770.0,1778.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Yeah. How did you know that story? \u003claughs\u003e Yeah!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1778.0,1779.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Because someone told me that story in another interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1779.0,1783.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: That's funny. Yes, that's us. Yes. Yes. I remember meeting -- actually, we went out -- Debbie Factor, who was a, who was a girl who was way above me in class and everything, I couldn't believe I met her in California and she actually agreed to go out with me for a night there. So that was one of the thrilling things of my life, but whatever. So, but I worked. So I worked in the family business. And as I said, I was, by the time I was 15, I was doing all of their books. But I was also doing other things in the business. So, in my last year of law school, my father and my uncle, who's my mother's brother who ran the business, asked me to come into the business. I said, \"Now you ask me? If you would have asked me in high school, I wouldn't even gone to college. I would have gone into the business. But at this point in my life, when I'm graduating law school, I don't want to start working 60 hours a week and doing deliveries at night of mink coats.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1783.0,1835.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: What happened? Did the family take over the business? Or when they retired...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1835.0,1839.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: It is, it is on its last...it's still in, it's still technically in business. It's called Miller and Berkowitz. My father didn't, my father didn't -- thought the name Milich was too difficult, so he, he made, used Miller and Berkowitz. Berkowitz is my mother's maiden name. And it's run by my cousin, one of the Berkowitz daughters and her husband. But it's, as I say, it's, it's probably on its last leg. But they still try to keep it going. So it's, uh...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1839.0,1868.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: The fur business has changed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1868.0,1870.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Yes, because you know, everything is imported. Very little manufacturing. And the old PETA stuff, you know. The animal rights stuff. It's, it's had its...but at that time, when 19-- , when they asked me to come in there in 1970, you had Fred the Furrier and furs were so hot and everything else. And they did well there, so... But, I think they were more upset when I was in my last year of law school that I told them that I was going to open up a McDonald's franchise. Um, I had, McDonald's was just coming into New York in '70 and '71. And a friend of mine from law school and I decided we were going to buy it. And we put, we got, we raised $105,000. It's a lot of money back then, cash. And we applied for a franchise. Now at that time, when you bought McDonald's, you had to work there. OK? You couldn't just get a franchise and hire people. And my mother was going crazy that after three years of law school, I was going to flip hamburgers. You know, not to mention they weren't kosher. But that's a different issue. So, but fortunately or unfortunately, we were denied our franchise because both of us had worked in our parents' business. I worked in the fur business. My friend had worked in the motel business in Key West, Florida. His parents owned a motel there. And since we were quote off the books, they didn't believe us that we had worked in our family businesses. So we were denied. The official reason was lack of managerial experience. So we never got our, we never got our franchise. Probably now I'd probably own 200 of them and be on easy street. But whatever; I don't, I don't regret my career.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1870.0,1966.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: So if I could -- so you didn't do that, but you got into real estate law, or...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=1966.0,1972.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: So what happened was I had -- while I was in Arthur Anderson, and I stayed there, I only wanted to stay there for two years because that's what you needed for the CPA. So I stayed there for two years and one day. And I had a friend there who had two brothers who were running a small building company all the way out in Suffolk County. I was living in Flushing. And they were looking to hire in-house counsel and an in-house controller. Because they had two people, and they wanted one person to take both jobs. That was perfect for me. So I took that job and that's how I got into real estate. And then they had a fight. They went out of business. I came back for six months to the city and worked at Citibank in a think tank operation for executive pension -- executive programs for the top 50 executives, figuring out some kind of incentives or whatever. I hated that. And then one of the partners from that -- those two brothers -- bought into another building company and asked me to come back and work for him. So I gladly did that and started establishing my own practice. And then that company went bankrupt in '78. 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That was a schlep to get to Queens. OK. So for a 9:30 class, I was lucky if I left 8 o'clock to get to the class. OK. But when I, when I -- that was my first marriage.When I got divorced, I moved closer in a little bit. So, and then, with my second wife, we lived in Westbury, which was closer. And then we moved to Woodbury, which was still tolerable. And then, from Woodbury, we moved to Dix Hills where I am now, in 1995. But she passed suddenly in 2000, but I've stayed in that house. And then I got married again, 18 years ago, with my current wife who lived in Dix Hills. We sold her house. So we live in the house that I lived in with my late wife. And so I commute. But now, I was smart enough to take afternoon classes. So it's a -- you know, without traffic, I can make it in 35 minutes, so. So what basically I would do is I would leave here at 1 o'clock to get to school at 2 o'clock, but I wouldn't have a class till 3. So I'd do an office hour from 2 to 3, teach from 3 to 6, do an office hour from 6 to 7, and come back. So...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2049.0,2131.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: And by 7, it's not so bad. The traffic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2131.0,2133.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: No, 7 is not so bad. Also, I used to, for several years, I commuted with another professor who would, from East Northport, and together we could use the HOV [high-occupancy vehicle lane] coming home, which was a pleasure. But he retired a few years ago, so I didn't have that opportunity anymore. But, you know. Took me an hour and a half to get to graduation yesterday; I was not happy. [Interviewer's video froze.] Rebecca, you froze. Let's see. You're up. You're back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2133.0,2162.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: OK, yeah. All of a sudden for about a minute, it froze. We're commuting with another professor...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2162.0,2168.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Right. So I did that for about 10 years. So that allowed us to use the HOV on the way back. So that would cut down. Now the last couple -- well, two years we were remote, basically, but I went back this semester in live, so -- 'cause I just, I didn't want my last semester to be remote. So, it was a little, so it took me a little, so it took me what, 45 minutes to come home. Which is no big deal. 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Because it is your time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2201.0,2205.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: You have a space on campus, so you can park on campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2205.0,2211.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Yeah. You pay for it. They don't give it to you. They charge you an outrageous amount of money to park on campus!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2211.0,2219.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right. No, the thing is for those two years when it was, you know, not so...when it was virtual or at least mostly virtual...I live right near Queens College and those were the best two years for parking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2219.0,2230.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Oh yes, I'm sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2230.0,2230.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: You'd come in and out at any time and there was a space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2230.0,2234.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Even this, even this last semester when I came back, I park over there by, Parking, I don't know what they call it, Two, Three, whatever. But, by Razran, you know, Razran or whatever that building, that building, the building with no windows? [Ed. note: Razran Hall] So the parking lot's been empty, yeah. So it's very easy to park. But if you go in rush hour -- as I said, yesterday I left 7:30 to go to graduation from here. And I, I was, I got there 9 o'clock. It was terrible. And then they had closed the gates. I had to, I had to make them open up the Melbourne [Avenue] gate. I said, I gotta go to graduation, I'm giving out diplomas. So they opened the gate for me to come in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2234.0,2274.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Do you know? I mean, this is just, I'm curious. Do you know, are they ever going to open the campus so...? Because living near Queens College, a lot of times you would cut across the campus to get to, let's say, the Expressway to take a bus there, or to get...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2274.0,2293.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Right. It was an open campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2293.0,2295.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Now they've locked the gates. And if you don't show ID...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2295.0,2298.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: So the ID, the showing the ID is not really for security. It's all COVID-related.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2298.0,2303.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2303.0,2304.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: OK, so when you, when you put your ID on the, on the scanner, the green light comes up and shows that you've had your vaccinations. That's the only purpose. So if this, if this virus ever gets out of here -- which I'm not sure it ever will -- and they don't require the students to be vaccinated, then I think the campus will reopen to the public.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2304.0,2323.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right. Because also, you know, everyone around here used to use the track and the field.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2323.0,2328.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Yeah. Now you can't do that anymore, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2328.0,2330.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: No, I, and -- but actually this past Saturday, for the first time I saw Queens College students practicing on the field. It was soccer and it was like, wow, they're finally using this beautiful new field they spent millions of dollars to build.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2330.0,2344.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Oh, so you live right here in Kew Gardens Hills.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2344.0,2348.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: I live right near the high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2348.0,2350.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Speaker 2: Right near Bowne.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2350.0,2350.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: No, by Townsend Harris.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2350.0,2356.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Oh, by Townsend Harris [High School]. OK. Cause I think of Bowne [John Bowne High School]. Bowne didn't exist when I went to high school. So the kids in Kew Gardens Hills went to Forest Hills [High School]. They took the bus across and went. That's why I had, in high school I had more friends in Kew Gardens Hills than I had in Forest Hills. So that's where my, that's where my, a lot of my friends lived. Up there -- Electchester, you know, the garden apartments down on 136th Street. That whole area. So, you're over there by Townsend Harris, OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2356.0,2392.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right, right. So it was, you know. Parking is such a horror.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2392.0,2396.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: I know. Those, those garden apartments, which we, when I went to school, they were called Campus Hall. I'm sure they have a different name now. [Ed. note: Georgetown Mews] Right. And they turned them all into, they turned them all into co-ops, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2396.0,2408.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Yes, yes. But so, but it is that parking and the college. And you see students going around. And on days when there are exams, they will park near hydrants knowing they're going to get towed because they gotta get to the exam.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2408.0,2425.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: I know, that's sad. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2425.0,2426.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Yeah. But anyway, so you came back and you're teaching at the college. And you, did you get involved in sort of the faculty senates and organizations too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2426.0,2437.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Yeah. I became, of course, I became the -- for like 15 years, I was our representative to the Academic Senate, you know. So I was the liaison, so my department knew what was going on there. And then...what else did I? Well, then I guess about, it must be 18 years ago or so I took over the, as the director of the graduate program, the Master's of Science in Accounting. And also, I was -- also maybe some 20, 22 years ago, I became Deputy Chair for Advisement. So I ran the advisement program. We have an unusual advisement. Every major is assigned to a specific faculty member. And I created this system where they would approve their concentration form, sign their declaration, and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2437.0,2488.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Do other departments have something similar? Or is this...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2488.0,2491.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Very few that I know of. No, most of them, you go into advisement, you see whoever faculty is available at that time. Our, you know, I have every major assigned to a specific faculty member. And it works out fine. So, and, you know, and I think we, you know, I think we are known probably as having the best advisement program in the whole college. So I did that, at the same time I ran the graduate program. It's funny, now that I'm leaving and they had, they had to get new people, they chose two people to do my job. They said, \"One person can't do that job.\" You didn't pay me double, but you know. \u003cLaughs\u003e So they had to get, they had to split my job between two people. So one is taking over the graduate program and one is taking over the advisement program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2491.0,2541.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: I guess that the graduate program has expanded since -- I forget what year they made it-- that to get a CPA, you now need a master's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2541.0,2549.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: You don't need a master's. They never passed that law. You only need 150 credits, OK, of a certain distribution. So technically, you don't need a master's. We recommend the master's. OK? We have a, we have a 30-credit master's program. So if you get, graduate with 120 credits, the best bang for the buck is to stay for the master's. And if -- I've created a seamless transition with students who have over a 3.0 GPA in the undergraduate program to go right into the master's. They can finish it in as little as one year and one summer, if they're not working. And now, I just started, just started a new master's program which is going to start in the Fall, a master's in tax. Professor [Terry] Balkaran is the director. And I was instrumental in getting that done through CUNY and the state and everything else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2549.0,2593.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Mm-hmm. So the department has, in terms of out there in the world of accounting departments, it has a very good reputation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2593.0,2603.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: It has a, it has a very good reputation. But it's suffering from shrinking enrollments like many colleges are overall. So it's a challenge to keep it going. But overall it's still, you know, especially in the City University, you know, I would say we're probably second to Baruch in our accounting program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2603.0,2624.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: OK, so you just retired the other day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2624.0,2631.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Well, I'm really technically not retired until January. Because, number one, they pay me for administrative work over the summer. So I will do my work. And then the last semester is called Travia Leave, which is basically they pay you for one semester for all the sick pay you never took. Actually, I only took one sick day in 44 years. So I'm pretty proud of that. So but, you're on Travia Leave and you don't have to do anything. They just pay you. So my official retirement date I think is January 20th, 2023.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2631.0,2660.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: But the last day you actually have to go in, in person is...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2660.0,2666.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Yeah, I'll go in. I do most of my administrative work from home, but I'll go into the campus, I'll go in one day in July and one day in August. I'll see students and I'll clean out the rest...90 percent of my office is cleaned out and I've just gotta clean out the rest and, you know, gotta give back my keys and all that stuff. So...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2666.0,2685.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: So as someone who has always been intensely busy and involved in a thousand things, what are you going to do now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2685.0,2692.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: So I, you know, I've still been busy. It's a good question, you know, I mean, you know, I'm going to, you know, I'm a very, I'm an avid tennis player. OK. I play four times a week now. I'm not sure if I can play much more than that, so you know, at my advanced age. But, we'll do some traveling. In two weeks, less than two weeks, we'll be in Paris and we're taking a river cruise down the Seine that's been -- to the Normandy beaches, which I've wanted to do my whole life and was postponed the last two years 'cause of the virus. So we'll do that. And then we'll come back for three days and run to San Francisco. My wife's brother who lives in Japan is coming in to see his two grandchildren that he's never met. And we're going to see these, my wife's niece's two children as well. So we'll stay there and we'll do a lot of traveling. I'm very active in my, I'm Chairman of the Board of Trustees, of the Board of Directors, of my local Chabad temple here. So I do a lot of charity work for them. Um...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2692.0,2750.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Oh, so you're busy!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2750.0,2751.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: So that keeps me busy. And so, I'm not sure what I'll do with my extra time, but I know I'll keep busy. So I still have a client, a builder client who technically I'm on retainer to. So he'll keep me busy with a lot of stuff like that. So I'm not worried that I'm going to be bored.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2751.0,2770.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: \u003claughs\u003e OK. That's good. I'm thinking, is there anything else you want to say about your time, your life in Queens? Even if you want to talk about your childhood in Queens, because this is for Queens Memory. So yes, it is the Queens College portion of interviews, but it's still about Queens. If there's anything you want to talk about growing up in the '50s in Queens or...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2770.0,2795.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Well, it was, it was, it's certainly different. It's certainly different than it is now. I mean, you know. I, you know, I thought I got a good education. I was the first graduating class from P.S. 220, the one on 108th Street and the Expressway. OK. Then I went to Halsey Junior High [J.H.S. 157]. I took a different path there. There, I got into, involved in audio visual -- which doesn't even exist anymore -- showing movies and film strips. And by the time I was in ninth grade, I was captain of that squad, the Audio Visual Squad. And I was exempt from all my classes other than the majors. So I didn't have to do art, music, shop or any of that. I remember what, and I used to do the morning announcements every day. Every day with the dong, dong, dong. You know, have a, take a, have a student -- always a girl -- who wanted to do it. Have it every week. Pick another girl to do it. So that made me somewhat popular. But, so I enjoyed that. I remember a funny story that my -- there was an art teacher there. She was like 22 years old, straight out of college. And, I didn't go to art because I didn't have to go to art. So she decided to fail me at art. So the principal who had my schedule there, calls her in, calls her in to the office and said, \"You see Marvin Milich there. You will give him an 85 in art if you want to keep your job here.\" \u003claugh\u003e And she said, \"OK, OK, I'm giving the 85.\" So, those kind of funny things happened. But my overall experiences were pretty positive. And my Queens College experience also, I have no regrets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2795.0,2892.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Where in Forest Hills did your family live?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2892.0,2895.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: So we lived on the cheap side of Forest Hills. 62nd Drive between 108th and Yellowstone. In a little attached house, OK, that my parents bought in 1955 for $13,500.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2895.0,2909.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: And now it sells for...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2909.0,2913.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: I lived in the third bedroom, which was really a closet, OK? There was no closet in the room. That's how small it was, OK. My little, my little bed went from the beginning of the room to the end. And we could hardly squeeze a desk in there or a dresser. So, I remember when my sister got married, I counted the days until I could get into her room. So, so. And I stayed there until I got -- actually, I stayed there until the, until I got married between my second and third year of law school. So I never lived on my own, actually. Went right from there and then moved into downtown Flushing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2913.0,2951.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Where did you live in Flushing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2951.0,2954.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Sanford Avenue, 143-07 Sanford Avenue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2954.0,2956.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: That's changed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2956.0,2956.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: So, it was on the corner of Sanford and Bowne, OK. We had, we had a studio apartment, but a real beautiful studio; a 650-square-foot studio that I put a dividing wall there. We used to make a bedroom and everything. We lived there for about three years or so. Three and a half years until we moved to Holbrook, because I had this job in Medford. And we bought a condominium in Holbrook. So that was, that was the progression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2956.0,2986.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Flushing has changed incredibly since you lived there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2986.0,2988.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: How Queens has changed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2988.0,2992.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: I think of Flushing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2992.0,2992.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Flushing. Yes, Flushing is...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2992.0,2994.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: That part of Flushing was kind of boring and not very -- provincial is not the right word, but it was boring. It wasn't any place you wanted to go or anyone would come to visit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=2994.0,3006.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: No. Right. But now it's, now it's a thriving Asian community and, you know, and...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3006.0,3012.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: It's international and there are all these restaurants that they feature in the Times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3012.0,3017.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: I know. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3017.0,3019.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: I would never, growing up, imagine that there would be large hotels in Flushing, because why would anyone go there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3019.0,3026.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Correct. You're right. But now, you know, it is, it's a remarkable thriving community, so...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3026.0,3032.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right, right. So I don't want to keep you, but it's been wonderful speaking with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3032.0,3037.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: No, it's fine..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3037.0,3037.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: You look like a retired person -- relaxed, happy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3037.0,3043.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Yes. I am. Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. I'm really looking forward to it. And taking some time. We have, you know, we have a big family together. We have six children and 12 grandchildren. So they keep, they keep us busy. So our grandchildren go, well, the youngest is 10, the oldest is 25. So, every day, you know. Every day, which -- and most of them are local. We have one in Michigan, but everybody else is pretty local.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3043.0,3072.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: That's nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3072.0,3073.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: You know, Long Island, New York, Westchester, Rockland County. So like, I'll see three of my grandchildren tomorrow from Rockland County, 'cause we're not going to be home for Father's Day because we'll be on the cruise. So they're going to, we're going to go have dinner with them or something. So...but the family keeps us busy and that's our main goal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3073.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: OK. That's great. That's great. Wonderful speaking to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3090.0,3096.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Thank you. If anything comes up...I have to sign that consent form, I know, or something. Right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3096.0,3102.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3102.0,3102.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Which I will do, and I...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3102.0,3104.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: And you'll send us a wonderful picture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3104.0,3106.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Yes. I'll get my wife to get a picture and I'll email those, that to Lori. And any other problems or questions, let me know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3106.0,3113.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: After, after this is finished, you'll get the transcript. So if there are mistakes, you'll be able to correct them. And if there are any, like, things you want to add aside that...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3113.0,3124.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: I just want to do. I just want to make a shout out to my, to one of my best friends at the college who recently passed. Paul Cohen, who was the Student Body Association President when I -- in my senior year. And he was a great friend. And even though he lived in San Francisco, we rarely went more than a week without speaking. So, his loss is, it was pretty devastating. I see, he was in the book, in the In Memorium at graduation. But I, you know, he was, he was really a big mentor of mine when -- and then the people who came before him. You know, Lenny Schutzman and people like that. And then the people who came after us. Glen Brunman, who was student body president the year after, I still keep in touch with. He's writing, I know, some big thing. It's going to be his life story or something like that. About all the student, his times. He had, he had a really interesting career there. So, I know, I know, Paul gave a lot of his stuff to the college, his house plan stuff. He was in Crown House. And, so, and I think Glen's working on a lot of stuff for the, for this project. So, if you need to contact people, don't hesitate to contact me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3124.0,3198.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: OK, great. Thank you so much. Enjoy Paris.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3198.0,3201.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Take care. Have a good Shabbos!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3201.0,3203.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rebecca Rushfield: Thank you. You too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3203.0,3205.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642/transcript/42029/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Milich: Take care. OK. Bye-bye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/87570/file/180642#t=3205.0,3210.29999"}]}]}]}