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Among his most vivid memories is that of the Follies, an annual skit performance for fraternities, sororities and house plans that inspired intense competition.\u003c/p\u003e (summary)","\u003cp\u003eTo learn more about the history of house plans at Queens College, visit \u003ca href=\"https://qcarchives.libraryhost.com/resources/queens_college_house_plans_collection\"\u003ehttps://qcarchives.libraryhost.com/resources/queens_college_house_plans_collection\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eTo learn more about Kingston House, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.kingstonhouse.org/\"\u003ehttp://www.kingstonhouse.org/\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e (supplement)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCC BY-NC-SA Contact digitalarchives@queenslibrary.org for research and reproduction requests.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["http://digitalarchives.queenslibrary.org/search/browse/44225"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2020-08-19 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Tags"]},"value":{"en":["Queens College Alumni"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Video"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Michael Kail (Interviewee)","Rebecca Rushfield (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["1963-1967 [bulk] (temporal)","Flushing and Kew Gardens Hills, Queens, NY (spatial)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eMichael Kail grew up in Flushing\u0026rsquo;s Pomonok Housing and Aguilar Gardens apartments, and attended Queens College from 1963 to 1967, graduating with a degree in chemistry. 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Among his most vivid memories is that of the Follies, an annual skit performance for fraternities, sororities and house plans that inspired intense competition.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eTo learn more about the history of house plans at Queens College, visit \u003ca href=\"https://qcarchives.libraryhost.com/resources/queens_college_house_plans_collection\"\u003ehttps://qcarchives.libraryhost.com/resources/queens_college_house_plans_collection\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eTo learn more about Kingston House, visit \u003ca href=\"http://www.kingstonhouse.org/\"\u003ehttp://www.kingstonhouse.org/\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCC BY-NC-SA\u0026nbsp;Contact digitalarchives@queenslibrary.org for research and reproduction requests.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Queens Public Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Queens Public Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/010/original/Aviary_QPLlogo_192x192.png?1578574261","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/100/300/small/MKail.aviaryjpg.jpg?1604660134","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - kail-michael-edit.mp4"]},"duration":3810.11198,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/100/300/small/MKail.aviaryjpg.jpg?1604660134","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-queenslibrary.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/100/300/original/kail-michael-edit.mp4?1603967815","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":3810.11198,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Full Interview Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Thank you. All right. Hi, how are you?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=0.0,7.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: OK, how you doing Rebecca?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=7.0,9.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK. I'm supposed to start this call with just a few formalities. Um, it's with the date, etc. So it is Wednesday, August 19th around 10:30 AM in the morning. Um, Michael Kail and I are sitting for an interview for Queens Memory. We're going to be speaking among other things his Queens College house plan experience. But, anyway, may I ask you to start by spelling and pronouncing your first and last names?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=9.0,51.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: My name is Michael Kail, K-A-I-L.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=51.0,56.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: And Michael, M-I-C-H-A-E-L?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=56.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Correct.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=60.0,61.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK. What is your age?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=61.0,65.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Well, I'll be 75 in December.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=65.0,88.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: All right. And now, do you consent to a Creative Commons Attribution, Non-commercial Share Alike 4.0 International license for the interview you are creating?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=88.0,101.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yes, I do.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=101.0,102.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK. Do you agree to the terms and conditions outlined in the Queens Memory informed consent and copyright permission form that was shared with you over email?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=102.0,113.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=113.0,114.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK. And the neighborhoods in Queens that we're going to be talking about are, I assume it would be Flushing where you went to Queens College, but any other neighborhoods?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=114.0,132.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Uh, yeah. Could you hold on one second?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=132.0,161.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: I'm sorry, my wife's exercising in the room. It abuts the room that I'm in. So it was, uh, I was having a little bit of difficulty hearing, but I think it's OK now.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=161.0,175.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK, good. Alright. And I assume we were talking about the neighborhoods in Queens. We're going to be talking about primarily Flushing where the college...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=175.0,185.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Flushing. I guess Kew Garden Hills is probably a better description.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=185.0,190.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK. Alright. I guess just for background information, did you grow -- you were born in Queens?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=190.0,198.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: No, no. I was born in, uh, in the Bronx.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=198.0,201.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: So at what point in age did you move to Queens?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=201.0,206.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Um, I was born in the Bronx in 1945 and we moved to, uh, Jackson, Jackson Heights in 1947 in Queens.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=206.0,219.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Oh, so you were young.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=219.0,221.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: And then from, from, uh, from there, uh, we moved to, um, in 1951. It was December of 1951 to Pomonok Housing Project right across the street from, uh, Queens College.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=221.0,237.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. So, had Pomonok just opened then?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=237.0,243.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: We're one of the first families to move into, uh, that, uh, that housing project. And I, I lived there from, uh, 1951 to, um, about, uh, January 1961. And then we moved, we moved a little bit further down, if you're familiar with the area at all. Uh, we moved further down, uh, Parsons Boulevard to, um, a co-op called Aguilar Gardens, kind of the area where Parsons and Kissena Boulevards meet.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=243.0,282.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. I have a feeling, many people. I live in Kew Garden Hills, so I know the area. So I think a lot of people moved from Pomonok to Aguilar to other co-ops once, I guess, they got a little more affluent.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=282.0,302.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yeah, yeah. Aguilar Gardens was kind of a step up for, for one reason, uh, if nothing else, uh. We had air conditioning! You know, because I, I know Pomonok didn't, didn't get air conditioning for, for years and years and years. Uh, so my friends who still lived in, uh, Pomonok kind of, uh, envied, envied me a little bit.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=302.0,327.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. So the people you grew up with in Pomonok, did most of them end up going through school with you and into Queens College with you?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=327.0,338.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Well, my, my best friend, um, he lived in the same building as me. Uh, we were three buildings in, on, off Kissena Boulevard. Uh, he went to Queens College with me, um. And, uh, one of our other friends, uh, who lived next to us, uh, you might know him, uh, Irv Gikofsky , Mr. G. The Channel 11 weatherman. He lived in the, in the building, uh, next to us, the one with the water tower. But he didn't, he didn't go to Queens College. He didn't have the grades to get in Queens. And we used to kid him unmercifully about that. He went to, to Hofstra.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=338.0,386.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Now, did \n[retired U.S. Rep.] Gary Ackerman live there then, or?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=386.0,393.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: I know Gary Ackerman lived in Pomonok. But I, I didn't, um, I didn't know him. You know, when he was about, say three year perhaps, that was a big age difference.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=393.0,413.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: I'm losing you sound-wise. Now I can't, I can't hear you at all. I don't know what happened.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=413.0,428.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: The sound came on and then it kind of...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=428.0,433.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: It's back. Right. But Gary Ackerman, you were saying, is three years older than you? OK. OK. Let's see if your sound is back again. Can you say something? Hello? I'm not hearing you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=433.0,457.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: It was...got, got loud a little while and then it, so I don't know.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=457.0,469.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Is it thundering near you? Because I know here there's a thunderstorm.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=469.0,481.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: OK, I haven't heard it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=481.0,481.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK. Now it was better. OK.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=481.0,490.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: All right. Sorry. So growing up in Pomonok there were tons of kids around and... You're not hearing me?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=490.0,508.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Faintly though. Maybe if you would touch the button close to the screen, it would get loud, where I could hear it fine. Thank you again.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=508.0,528.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: I don't know what's happening. I'm really bad at this in terms of, um, but let's try continuing. So did you assume, always assume that you would go to Queens College? OK. This is not working well. Um, let me figure, let's see. OK. It's not, it's...should we share screen? I'm going to have to share screen. I don't know why. OK. Let's experiment. Is it louder now?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=528.0,582.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=582.0,583.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: So I really have to talk into the screen. All right. So, did you? Growing up, did you play on Queens College's grounds? Was it sort of part of the background?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=583.0,601.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Actually not. Um, you know, of the college, I mean, living direct, but you know, as a, as a kid down Kissena Boulevard, this is kind of a special place, you know, with its very buildings, you know, like Jefferson Hall and, or, you know, things. But, um, we never, I don't recall this as a, you know, as a...It wasn't until a number of years later that I actually went onto the campus. Uh, uh, I would say probably, uh, I think when I, when I graduated from, uh, from high school, we had our, we had our high school graduation at the college, at Fitzgerald Gym.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=601.0,657.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK. Where did you go to high school?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=657.0,661.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: I went to Francis Lewis. And, uh, but I was aware of the school when I, when I went to junior high school, I went to \n[Harold G.] Campbell Junior High School, which is on Main Street.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=661.0,673.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Yes. My father taught there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=673.0,677.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: To go from Pomonok, we used to walk from Kissena Boulevard, down Melbourne Avenue all the way, uh, you know, to Main Street. So we, you know, we would pass the college every day. So I was certainly aware of it. And like I said, it was kind of like a, a special place, but college was kind of, um, uh, like for me, it, it wasn't really a consideration because, um, neither one of my parents went to college. Um, and you know, in that time, um, it wasn't something I thought about too much, available to me actually, you know?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=677.0,717.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK. It's interesting because my experience is somewhat different. I'm, I guess, 10 years younger than you. And when we, my parents moved to Kew Garden Hills, my father had started going to Brooklyn College right after high school. He went for like six months and left. And then when they moved here, he decided to go back to school. So he was going to, uh, to Queens College, I guess in the late '50s, early '60s. And we would, I guess it was since he was always going on the college grounds, we would sometimes go and play there and friends would play there. So it just seemed this part of the background of our life. And it seemed inevitable that we, one would end up going there. In fact, I remember one Saturday afternoon, I was taking a walk with my parents on the college and my father was, at that point, he was a history major. And we ran into Dr. Schwarcz, who was the head of the history department. Dr. Schwarcz said to my parents, \"Oh, so what year will she be?\" You know, this assumption that well, you were there, you were going to go to Queens College. So...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=717.0,797.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Well initially, like for me, you know, it really, I'm thinking back in public school, junior high school, it really wasn't on my radar, I guess. Maybe because of my, uh, my family background, uh, as such. Of course, I got into high school and grades started becoming important. Then the topic of, of college started coming up. And, um, and, um, I mean, I wasn't that great a student.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=797.0,833.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: But you got in to Queens.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=833.0,835.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: And I recall my father, uh, saying to me, uh, you know, if you don't get, go to, um, a city school, you're not going to college. You know, because, you know, our finances was such, um. My dad was, um, a police officer and my mom was, uh, while she was a housewife, she also worked, um, you know, most, most of the day and finances were such that, uh, going away to school was not a consideration for, for our family. Now my father years later, when I would bring that up to him, he said, \"I was only kidding. I was only saying this to you to get you to, uh, to study, to work a little bit harder.\" You know, back then that was the, that was the thought. And of course the school right across the street was the obvious choice.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=835.0,898.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: And it was free.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=898.0,899.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: I would say that, I think ,thinking about the city schools, Queens had a great reputation, but back in my day, I think probably if I had to rank them, I think it went CCNY, then Brooklyn and then Queens. You know, were the, that was the order of priority.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=899.0,927.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: So when you decided that you were going to college, was Queens the only one of the city colleges you applied to?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=927.0,936.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: I think, I think so. I think so. 'Cause I remember my, our, my guidance counselor, um, coming around, Mr. Fitzgerald. I remember he came over and he went to each person and, uh, in class and he saw what my grade point average was and what my college boards were. And he said, uh, you know, uh, you'll get into Queens with your average and your, and your college boards.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=936.0,964.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: So I said, OK, great. You know, uh, by that time, I'd say in 19 -- I guess it was 1963, 'cause I, we already had moved to Aguilar Gardens. Um, it wasn't quite across the street, but still it was, uh, it was, you know, it was a 10 minute walk. I often think of my life. And uh, when I think about it, um, I spent probably the first 25 years of my life in a square mile. I, I moved from Pomonok to Aguilar Gardens and then when I got married, uh, we lived in Campus Hall.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=964.0,1008.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Oh, OK. You really did stay, yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1008.0,1011.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: You know? So, um, I knew, I knew the area pretty well.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1011.0,1018.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: So you start Queens College and did many of your classmates and friends start at the same time?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1018.0,1028.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Uh, yeah. Well, I'll say yes and no. My, my best friend, my, uh, who lived in the building with me, of course, he, he, was, he went to Queens College, also. Irv, Mr. G, he went to Hofstra. Um, but a lot of my other friends from high school really, I don't know how to put this. They didn't, they didn't value education. Um, as a matter of fact, they used to make fun of me and my best friend and Irv because the three of us, we kind of studied harder and education was more a priority for our families. And as it turned out, a lot of my friends, the people I hung out with in high school, they either never went to college or went to places like Adelphi or, um, or you know, or whatnot. And, uh, I kind of, I kind of lost touch with a lot of them. Uh, I hate to say it, but I kind of, I outgrew them, you know, you know, um. Our interests were different, what, uh, what our family values were, were different. But not from my best friend and Irv.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1028.0,1106.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: What was his name, your best friend's name? You haven't mentioned it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1106.0,1112.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Um, Eddie Glazer.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1112.0,1113.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK. OK. So you entered Queens College and I understand, I think from your, the form you filled out, you became a chemistry major?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1113.0,1124.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yeah. Yeah. I was, I was really good in chemistry in, uh, in high school. I think I got a, I think I got a 98 in, in high school chemistry, you know? Uh, so I became a chemistry major, uh, much to my chagrin. Because it was not, uh, an easy course of, a course of study, you know? And it was with the ancillary, uh, courses you had to take as well. It wasn't just chemistry. I had to take three terms of calculus. Um, and I, I carried a pretty heavy course load and, uh, I, you know, honestly I didn't, I didn't do very well in my science courses, but I made it through. I made it through four years as a, as a chemistry major.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1124.0,1180.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Did you use that in your life afterward? No. Nothing.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1180.0,1183.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: No. No, by my senior year, I kind of knew this wasn't really meant for me, but, uh, I did graduate, uh, as, as a science major. Um, and, uh, when I went to graduate school, I took, I went to something totally different. I took an MBA at Rutgers, uh, across the river in Newark.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1183.0,1212.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: That was your first experience with being in New Jersey as a...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1212.0,1216.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1216.0,1218.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: But so you're at Queens College doing this very intense, heavy program, yet you had a chance to get involved with house plans. So how did that happen?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1218.0,1227.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Well, it happened in spurts. Um, I, I remember, I recall from, um, your, your interview, Rebecca, with Richie Branciforte uh, I didn't, I didn't recall this, but he had said that, uh, for house plans you were allowed to rush, um, lower freshmen, whereas fraternities couldn't. I didn't recall this, but that's what Rich said. Um, but, but I didn't, I didn't rush a house plan as a lower freshman because, because of my course load .And, you know, um, the college was kind of such an overwhelming experience, you know? Um, I felt that I really wouldn't have the time, uh, to do, to, uh, to get involved with something like that. So, um, I didn't, and, uh, and my, my best friend, neither, neither did he. We ended up, uh, you know, in spring semester as upper freshmen. We didn't rush, uh, Kingston House.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1227.0,1296.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Um, we were aware of house plans and which ones were good, you know? And, and what have you. One of my, one of the fellows that I knew from high school said, why don't you rush, uh, at my house plan? It was called Big House. It was one of the better, well-known, uh, house plans on, on campus at that time. The big, I'd say the big five were, um, Big House, Random House, House of Bamboo, State House and Regal House. I think those five, you know, well-known, well-thought-of house plans. Kingston House wasn't really on my radar.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1296.0,1334.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: What made a house plan a good house plan? What made a house plan a good house plan? What, a desirable one?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1334.0,1343.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Um, part of it was reputation. Part of it, I think was, um, the activities that the house plans got involved with, whether it be sports or, uh, student government, politics kind of thing. The social aspect, uh, you know, whether, whether they ended up having parties with the other female house plans and things like that, which was prime consideration for, uh, a guy back then.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1343.0,1373.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Um, and you got to, you got to know. So there was, there was a, really was a pecking order. So we, we rushed this Big House and my friend and I, we got in. And when it came, when it came, you know, we had to meet all the guys and uh, and uh, we made it through. Um, but when it became time for us to put down our initiation fee, we kind of looked at each other and I said, do you really want to do this? And I, and my friend said to me, I don't know if I really want to. And I said, yeah, I kind of feel the same way. So, we didn't, even though we made the house plan, we, we, uh, we decided not to join, which, which ended up being a very, very big mistake.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1373.0,1421.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Oh. Because?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1421.0,1423.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Well, in the ensuing year, the following year as, as lower sophomores, um, I ended up taking organic chemistry. Which, if you know anything about science, that's the killer course. That's the one that weeds out all the de facto science majors. After the first quarterly exam, when everybody comes back and they see they've got a 20 on their quarterly exam, like the following day in Remsen Hall, in the lecture hall, half the class is now gone, 'cause they'd all dropped out. And that semester was just God awful. I was taking organic chemistry, biology, a third term of calculus, a few other courses. It was just miserable. Well, all I was doing was studying, uh, going to the library, going home. And it was just, it was just God awful. It was, it was a terrible, I just wasn't enjoying myself.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1423.0,1491.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: So if you had been even in the other house plan there would have been something social and fun.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1491.0,1495.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Right. It was, it was really a mistake. And, and, um, um, it, it really, I had a terrible semester. I think I had my lowest grade point average that I ever got because I was carrying such a heavy course load. And, uh, I was really miserable. I mean, I had no social life. All I was doing was, was studying and going home. And, um, it was just awful. So what happened was, in the spring as upper sophomores, um, a couple of guys, um, who I knew from Francis Lewis High School said, Hey, Mickey, why don't you, why don't you come to, uh, and rush Kingston House? You know, because they knew me from high school and, uh, why don't you try it out? And I said, well, let me see. And I talked to my best friend and he said, nah, Mick, I don't know. I don't know if I really want to do this, you know. And you have to understand this fellow and I were like brothers, you know, we would, we were joined at the hip. And I finally, I just said to him, Eddie, I can't, I can't do this anymore. I'm not growing. This is, like, this isn't college. This is, um, I'm not enjoying myself. Um, I'm, uh, I'm um, I'm not -- it's been an awful experience and we're getting tired of each other. You know, we spent so much time with each other. So, so I, I basically said to him, I said, Eddie, you can do what you want to do, but I'm going to do this. Uh, 'cause I got to. There was something inside me that made me realize that I had to do this because, uh, I was just going backwards. And uh, and we both did. And luckily we both got in and we never looked back. It was probably one of the best experiences of our lives.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1495.0,1624.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: At this point, most people in the college joined house plans, or half, or...?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1624.0,1633.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: I think, I think so. You know, I don't know how it was for you, Rebecca, but, uh, Queens College was like, um, a large, you know, kind of an overwhelming place. And I think it was, I'd use the term, it was very tribal. OK. If you didn't belong to an organization of some type, you really weren't reaping any of the benefits of your education or your, or the experience. You were really kind of off to the side, you know. I was very much aware of that. You know, that I would see all these people having a good time or doing these extra special things, whether it be, uh, intramural sports or participating in carnival or in campus, uh, school politics and things like that. Um, if you weren't part of an organization, I think your experience was, was really not that good. I mean, from my perspective. I don't know, uh, what, what it was, what the college was like, you know, later on, but for my generation of people, that's how I saw it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1633.0,1706.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. Later on, by the time I got there, there wasn't a house plan in sight.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1706.0,1710.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1710.0,1713.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: They were big and then disappeared.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1713.0,1715.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Right, yeah. Well, uh, judging from Rich's interview, I know they started probably, uh, I think 'round, I think he had said about 1947 at Queens College or something like that. And, um, they ended oh, probably in the early to mid-70s. I know, I know Kingston House itself had a very, very short run. I mean, it was started in 1963 by, by Richie and a few of his friends. And it ended, you know, pretty sadly, uh, in either December 1970 or, uh, sometime in 1971. So it had like a, a pretty, a pretty fast, spectacular run. And then sadly it ended. I think It ended sooner than some of the other house plans did. And I guess, I don't know if fraternities also, uh, started going by the wayside as well. The fraternities and sororities, same thing around that time.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1715.0,1782.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Why would someone join a house plan rather than a fraternity at that time?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1782.0,1785.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: A number of reasons. First of all, uh, economics. I think, uh, you know, fraternities were probably a lot more expensive. You know, the initiation fees and things like that. The, um, pledging. At Queens College, they didn't have hazing or anything like that for fraternities and sororities, but you had to walk around. I remember seeing the guys from AEPi or the guys from Phi- Ep walking around in, with beanies on their heads, uh, these caps. And some of the sororities had them as well. And you had to wear, they had to wear this -- AEPi had a gold tie that you had to wear and they walked around with these paddles and things like that. And I don't know, it kind of made you feel like you were subservient. Uh, whereas, um, in, uh, for house plans, we, we had, um, pledging also, but it wasn't as, um, institutionalized, I would say. We called it rush and you really didn't have to kowtow to the members, uh, to get in or something like that. I mean, yeah. You know, you had, there was like a five-, six-week period where you would meet all the guys and, and, you know, uh, attend events with them and, you know, so they could size you up and, you know, see if you're the person, the kind of person who they'd want to be friendly with and stuff like that. But it wasn't as, um, severe, I would say. And then it was the financial thing too.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1785.0,1883.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Well, like what was the financial commitment to a house plan? How much did you have to pay to join a house plan?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1883.0,1892.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: That I don't remember. For some reason, like, you know, we would pay like a monthly dues. Maybe it was like $10 or something like that. It might've been a minimal initiation fee as well, but it was certainly a lot less than what it was for fraternities.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1892.0,1907.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: And where did your house plan meet?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1907.0,1910.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Well, we used to meet once, uh, once a week. It, um, in either the social science building or, uh, one of the other buildings closer to Kissena Boulevard. You know, we'd have a, um, you know, our, our weekly meeting where we'd get things straightened out in terms of, uh, what events were coming up, that kind of thing. You know, the president of the house plan would, uh, officiate over the meeting and we'd vote on things and stuff like that. But, uh, one of the, one of the great things about Kingston House was the fact that we had our own house, which a lot of, a lot of house plans did not. Uh, I mentioned when I rushed Big House the year before, which was a very, very well-thought-of house plan -- as a matter of fact, I think they were voted best house plan two years running. So they had a great reputation. They had like a storefront off of either Bell Boulevard or Francis Lewis Boulevard or something like that. But when, when we joined Kingston House, I mean, we had a house right off of, right off of Union Turnpike and 169th street, which was great. You could, you know, you could go there, uh, on a Friday night or if, or over the weekend and, and hang out. And it was a place to go. It was a, it was a place to, you know, to be with the other guys and, uh, commiserate about stuff.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=1910.0,2001.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: But I'm just curious. In terms of like, were any of the other guys in your house plan chemistry majors? Could you, did you help each other with courses and, you know, give each other the lowdown, who to take and not...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2001.0,2015.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yeah, we would help each other, but in a way I think, I, I don't think I should mention. Because, you know, lab reports had a way of finding their way around everybody, so that, uh, the fellows who had the previous, uh, the previous term, uh, had a lab report that somehow ended up in, uh, in my hands or something like that, if need be. You get the picture?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2015.0,2042.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Yes, yes. OK. And I assume for certain professors who gave the same test over and over again, tests...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2042.0,2050.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Right. And it was, was the same way for, um, there was, um, for liberal, liberal arts, uh, courses. I, I, in order to take, uh, my, uh, get my index up, I took a couple of poli sci courses. And, uh, there was a very famous professor at Queens College. Her name was Mary Dillon and actually she's, um, I think she's famous for a number of reasons. Her name was Mary Earhart Dillon. So word had it that she had some kind of relationship to, um, Amelia Earhart. And, uh, she also was a biographer for Wendell Willkie, the presidential candidate from the 1940s. Uh, but anyway, Mary was kind of a, kind of a character back then. And, uh, her tests had a way of finding themselves in the hands of the next term's students, uh, where, what you would end up doing is, uh, photocopying the, the test. And, uh, it was like a scene right out of \"Animal House.\" You got the picture?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2050.0,2123.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Yes, OK.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2123.0,2125.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: You know, but, but, Professor Dillon was smart, though. She knew this was going on and rumor had it, that what she would do is, um, even though she knew that the test was making its rounds, uh, she wouldn't change the test. She wouldn't, uh, change the questions. She would just change the answers.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2125.0,2145.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Oh!\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2145.0,2148.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: That was the rumor anyway.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2148.0,2150.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Well, right. So your house plan, Kingston House, I recall. All right, I recall growing up, as a little kid, there in the part where the big new science building is now, it was a parking lot. And like once a year, I think it was around Halloween, the house plans would have some kind of event with haunted houses and things.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2150.0,2176.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: That I don't recall. I recall there being something called carnival, but that was usually in the spring. That was from what I recall. Cause I remember participating in a, in the spring, uh, in carnival, which, which was a fun thing to do. They had booths, you know, uh, and maybe that's what you're thinking of. But you...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2176.0,2200.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: I definitely remember there was a haunted house.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2200.0,2203.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Well, if there was a haunted house, um, it might've been carnival and perhaps what they did is maybe they changed the time. But I do know that carnival was something sponsored by the school, you know, and then the fraternities, sororities and house plans would have, all had their booths. And they would have things like haunted houses and like that, and games of chance and what have you. But for me, from my memory, it was, it was usually in the spring. And we would, we would, they would hold it on the area where -- it no longer exists, I think there's a building there now -- but it was back where we used to play football, uh, the, the open area going towards Main Street. And then, uh, one time, I think they had it, um, in the parking lot in back of maybe Remsen Hall or something like that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2203.0,2258.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: That's what I'm recalling, the parking lot behind Remsen. OK. But that, so these events sometimes were only organized by your house plan and sometimes they were like all house plan events?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2258.0,2275.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yeah, well, it was, it was sponsored by something called Carnival Association, which was, I guess, a conglomeration of, of people who would do it, you know, and various organizations would, would sponsor it. And, you know, the money would go to a charity of some type. From the winnings, from all the booths and what have you. But it was kind of a fun thing to do. And you know, it kind of added to, spice to your, uh, to your college existence other than studying. That and sports also. I mean, um, I, uh, I was on the football team.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2275.0,2312.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Where did you play? There was no field.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2312.0,2316.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: There was an area, it was all open field. It was all on the way towards, towards Main Street. That whole, there was a whole open area, which I guess they're all now buildings.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2316.0,2328.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right? You mean like the center?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2328.0,2330.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yeah. It was past the quadrangle, past the quad.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2330.0,2334.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. So the field wasn't, the, um, track wasn't there then?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2334.0,2339.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: I remember there being a track there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2339.0,2342.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: So between the quadrangle and the track where there's now the new library and the science building. So it was...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2342.0,2351.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: That's where we used to play. So, you know, there was carnival. There was sports. There was politics if you were politically, uh, inclined. Uh, you know, to run for student government, which a lot of the Kingston members did. That was initially, that became, you know, because of Richie's, um, uh, advocacy, a lot of the guys got involved in Student Senate and things like that. Whereas that had always been the purview of the fraternities and sororities, by the, uh, mid-60s house plans started becoming much more active and more powerful via-a-vis the fraternities and sororities. Where, you know, there were probably more members of the Student Senate from house plans than there were from fraternities and sororities, 'cause it was quite a competition. It was really, uh, there was a very, there was a really distinct lines -- and that goes back to what I said that the college was kind of tribal. You really, you were part of, you were part of Kingston House or you were part of State House, or you were part of AEPi. You were part of a sorority and that was your, that was your circle. That was your, your little circle. You know, uh, very, very tribal, which, you know, which, I know the college changed considerably probably, uh, by, uh, the 1970s. It became a lot more, uh, diverse.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2351.0,2445.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. So when you were in the college, most of the people there were from Queens, from fairly close to the college, or...?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2445.0,2453.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yeah. I would say, uh, from Fresh Meadows, from Forest Hills, from Flushing, um, from Jamaica. You know, a large, large, large percentage were from that area. My, uh, my wife, my future wife at that time, uh, she lived in Whitestone. She, she would take, uh, two buses to, uh, to get to college.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2453.0,2480.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right, right. Was she in a house plan?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2480.0,2484.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yeah, she was in our, uh, well, we had a few sister house plans. Um, but she was in something called Dew Drop Inn and they, they were, uh, they were the house plan, uh, that we entered Follies with. You know, and I know Richie, Richie had mentioned to you Follies, uh, in his interview a couple of years ago. Um, it's probably hard to understand, but Follies was a really, really big thing in Queens College. And when I wasn't part of an organization, it meant absolutely nothing to me. I said, what's, what's Follies? You know, uh, what are you talking about? You know, it had no meaning to me, I didn't realize. And it was really, um, it was a fun kind of thing to do. Uh, you had an opportunity to, um, be in a, in something with a female house plan, which was nice because that resulted in some social interaction, how shall I say? And it happened to be a, really a fortuitous, um, meeting of the two. But it had no meaning to me beforehand. I remember when I rushed Kingston House, all they talked about was, oh, and next year we're going to be in Follies and, uh, we're gonna win best house plan award and this. And to a man. And that was what kind of, um, attracted me to the house plan as well. The guys were so singular in their, in their wanting to succeed and to do all these things, all these fun things. That was really interesting. Um, um, so we ended up entering, uh, Follies with Dew Drop Inn and, and, uh, we, we had...and in those days, these skits were put on by fraternities, sororities and house plans. But in, in a lot of instances, it was mostly the fraternities and sororities because Delta Phi Epsilon sorority ran Follies, and AEPi had won Follies, like, for five years in a row. Um, and one of the reasons being that, you know, the guy writing some of their skits was a guy named Paul Simon.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2484.0,2639.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: That could be why!\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2639.0,2639.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yeah. But, but I think by the time I became, I was in Follies, I don't think he was writing any longer. I think it was his brother. He had a younger brother, Eddie Simon, who went to Queens College. And I think he took over his songwriting, uh, duties. Uh, but he was, he was very, uh, very good also. But, so it was kind of a fun thing, but it was kind of like a competition thing too. It was like a prestige thing. You know, if you got into Follies, hey, that's a, that's a, that's a great thing. To this day when, uh, you know, I speak to some of our, uh, you know, my old members or even, uh, some of the, the women who I, I got to know over the years, they all, the one thing they always talk about is Follies, as what a fun thing it was to do and the great memories they had.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2639.0,2694.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: So it was kind of a very, very special, a special thing. And it has, um, even more significance because, uh, the following year we had, we ended up, I think, doing Follies for about four or five straight years with Dew Drop Inn as our sister house plan. You know, that's where I met my future wife.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2694.0,2717.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: That worked. Can I ask you, so how did it work with Follies? There were limited number of groups that could perform, and you had to...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2717.0,2728.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yes. It was like a screening that they would do. First, you know, you would have to apply. And then there was a screening, you know, DPhi E sorority would be the screeners and if they deemed -- you know, you would come in with your theme, with what your plot line was, and maybe some of the music and they would, uh, say, OK, uh, you make the cut. And it was a prestigious thing just to make the cut. And back in the early '60s it was totally run by the fraternities and sororities. You know, they would let a couple of house plans in, uh, you know, every once in a while. But it was mostly run by fraternities, sororities. And in most instances, they ended up winning first, second or third, third place.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2728.0,2778.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK. So you didn't have Paul Simon, but did you, who wrote your music and...?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2778.0,2784.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Well, the two gentlemen called, named Vic Blum and Stan Bleiman. They, they wrote our skits and, um, and our skit in 1965 definitely, definitely beat AEPi, but we really didn't. And I want to read, I want to read you something that Richie had written to me, um, quite a while ago. It's a story. And just, just, just to, um, explain to you some of the significance of this and how important it was. I know it sounds all very silly and insignificant, but back then, it was really -- could you hold on one second? \n[Interrupted by a phone call]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2784.0,2843.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: I'm sorry that my landline just went off. I want to read you something. This is something Richie had told me. \"About six, seven years ago, I interviewed Art Garfunkel for Good Times. The first question I asked him was how his brother Jerry was. Jerry sat next to me in Jamaica High School and I remember him telling me about his brother Art and how he was going to be a big star someday. When he heard I knew Jerry, Art perked up. I then asked him about the old days of AEPi. I told him I remembered their house and that Paul Simon had performed at my freshman orientation in 1963.\" That's true. \"Then this superstar who'd been all over the world, romanced superstar actresses, sighed and said, 'those were the good old days'. He admitted that when he looked back his memories of his college days were some of his best.\" And this is Richie now saying: \"I then told him, you know, you shouldn't have won Follies that year. And he laughed. 'Why?' he said. I was in Kingston House. And then he responded with a bigger, knowing laugh.\" And, you know, it was interesting 'cause I, I, to this day, I recall in 1965, when we were at Colden Auditorium and we'd put on this skit that everybody loved and who do I see walking up the aisle in Colden Auditorium is Art Garfunkel.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2843.0,2930.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: And I, I'm sure he wasn't there alone. I'm sure Paul Simon was there as well. But this is a couple of years after Paul and Art had graduated from their respective schools, so I often wondered what the heck were they doing there? Um, and, and the only thing I could come up with was that Paul was there probably to cheer on his old, uh, AEPi mates. And, um, and also maybe to help out his brother who probably by that time was writing the skits. And Garfunkel, even though he didn't go to Queens College -- he went to Columbia -- I think he'd probably, I think he was in AEPi at Columbia. So he was there too. But just you think about it, this timing. This was 1965 and, um, \"Sounds of Silence\" had just come out, you know, as a hit single in the fall. And you know, what were these guys doing? I mean, they had better things to do than to go to Queens College Follies, but it really, it really was a prestigious kind of, uh, event. Uh, it was that significant,\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2930.0,2997.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. So you had, some of you, I guess, performed. Some of you did scenery, some of you did costumes, some of you did... So when did you have any time for schoolwork?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=2997.0,3013.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yeah, well, that's a, that's a whole, a lot of different issue. Well, that's why I ended up having to take a lot of liberal arts courses to bump up your, uh, your grade point average, 'cause my, my science classes were not going very well. But I wouldn't, I would not have missed it for the world. I, I had a great time. I, uh...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3013.0,3037.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: So the guys...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3037.0,3039.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: In a lot of ways...You know, I've done a lot of thinking about this for the interview. It really, um, changed me, um, the experience. Not so much with the school, but being part of a group was very, very important. And for me, I mean personally, I think it really rounded me out. Um, and I became a much, you know, more -- a better person, a more rounded person. Um, um, I was with a great, great group of guys. They were the funniest, most clever, brightest -- just good, good guys. Uh, and, I was, you know, it was just a great, great experience. And, um, I think a lot of the guys still have that feeling -- probably not to my degree of enthusiasm, but, um, you know, we, we do get together every...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3039.0,3102.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Have you stayed in touch over the years with them?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3102.0,3103.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yeah. Well, interestingly enough, when we graduated from college, I would say we, um, we kind of, everybody went their separate way for a while. They went to med school or law school or graduate school, and some people were teaching and what have you. And, um, we, a lot of us didn't keep that much in touch until about 1986 when we had a, we had a reunion at Richie's house. And, and that was great, but that was before, uh, you know, computers or internet or anything like that. I don't know how we found guys, but we did. And then for another 20 years or so again, it wasn't that continuity. And back in 2006, we ended up -- by that time we had the internet, we had email. Found a whole bunch of guys and we, again, we had another reunion at Richie's house and it was, uh, it was as if time had stood still. It really, it really was. One of the wives of one of the guys, she was like, she, she was there that night and she was watching. And, um, she said, you know, Mickey, I was watching everybody and the guys didn't shake hands. They just hugged. It was, uh, it really was, uh, a really unbelievable experience. She said, she said, \"I saw the love there.\" It was extraordinary. It was a very, very close bond, um, a really extraordinary group of guys, um, who, I mean, I had a great time, um, you know, uh, you know, it really was, it was really wonderful and this is all due to Mr. Branciforte.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3103.0,3219.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right, right. That's great. We probably should stop here because it's such a great moment to stop, unless there's anything else you want to say.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3219.0,3227.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Um, we're getting, getting close. We're getting close. Um, um, no. And it, wasn't just Queens College. Uh, just Kingston House though. I mean, Queens College did a lot for me as well. Um, I'd have to say that, uh, I learned quite a bit. I mean, my, my, um -- like I said, I wasn't that great a student, but, um, I learned things. I think probably the best, the best course I ever took was speech. Um, Speech 8 they called it back then. And, um, I think a lot of people have a problem with doing public speaking. They get nervous and what have you. And I was one of them. I was pretty shy. And I took this course, I remember, during the summer. And it was probably the best course I ever took at Queens College. Um, I learned a lot of techniques, uh, from that. Um, I overcame my fear of speaking and it, and it really helped me in my later careers. 'Cause I oftentimes would have to make presentations to state and local government agencies or federal offices about, you know, laws and regulations and adherence to federal statutes and things like that. And, uh, which can be kind of intimidating. And, um, I learned these techniques, uh, that really, really helped me. Not that I never would, that I wouldn't get nervous making presentations, but, um, the techniques I, I learned back at Queens College, uh, really held me in good stead, uh, and I'm pretty grateful for that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3227.0,3338.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK. That's good. Are there any other people who you think we should speak to about the house plans?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3338.0,3348.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Well, I definitely, definitely think if you can get a hold of Gary Ackerman.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3348.0,3353.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Right. That's hard.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3353.0,3355.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: I know because, I mean, I think you, you know, that I, reached out to him as did Richie. And my sense is that, um, he's, he's not that computer literate. But I think he would be a great interview because I think he would give you some of the information of what it was like in the early '60s. I mean, when, when I listened to Richie's interview, he was, he was talking about how, uh, you know, how house plans arose and became a force in, uh, on the campus vis-a-vis fraternities and sororities. And, um, I think Gary could give you a lot of the background as to what it was like maybe in the early '60s, because he was one of the guys who really started the movement for house plans to become more powerful compared to the fraternities and things like that. And, uh, and I think he would be...and plus, he has the added aspect of, you know, being, uh, a former Congressman. So he had, you know, and, and having, I guess he, and I'm pretty sure he lived in Pomonk too.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3355.0,3434.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Yes, I think he did.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3434.0,3437.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: So he, he would have, uh, a lot of interesting insights. And I think also, um, I know I've spoken to her a few times, Sue Sobel Glazer. She, uh, she was the president of Doll House around the time that, uh, I was a senior and, uh, I think she has, would have a lot of insights from a female point of view in terms of...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3437.0,3463.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Do you have contact information for her?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3463.0,3469.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: I have her email address if I can, I can send it to you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3469.0,3473.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Oh, great. That would be wonderful, yeah. I think to get a woman's point of view.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3473.0,3479.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: I think she's been in touch with the, um, the library on the house plan project, memorabilia project.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3479.0,3487.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Oh good. Yes, they mentioned that there's a woman who they might want to interview, so maybe that's her.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3487.0,3492.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yeah, I would bet it's probably Sue.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3492.0,3496.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK. This is wonderful. The one thing I wanted to ask is, I noticed that you're a twin from your form, and I noticed that your sister went to a community college. Was that her personal choice, or was that more of a, she didn't get into...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3496.0,3517.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: No. It wasn't personal choice. She didn't have the grades, you know, um, she, you know, she didn't have the grades to go to a, a full four-year college.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3517.0,3528.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: It was tough to get into Queens back then.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3528.0,3531.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yeah. I think you needed, uh, I'd say about a, an 85 average, I would think. I think that was about it, 85 average and you know, uh, maybe, uh, you know, 500 each on your, on your English and math, your college boards.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3531.0,3553.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK. Well, it's been wonderful speaking with you, and I'm glad we're getting more interviews about the house plans and life on, you know, social life on the college. What's going to happen is this will get transcribed. Then it will probably go to me to make whatever corrections I can figure out. Then it will go to you to make corrections. And then eventually it will go on the Queens Library's website and they'll take excerpts to put up there. And anyone who has a reason to want to hear the whole thing will be allowed to hear the whole interview.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3553.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: OK. 'Cause you know what I've done? I mean, I listened to the 60 minutes of Richie's interview. And he, he shared the MP3 file with me. And what I was able to do is, I was able to upload it to the Kingston House website.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3600.0,3621.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Well, I'm sure that the file will get shared with you too, so you'll be able to upload it too.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3621.0,3631.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Do you anticipate this being an ongoing project, or...?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3631.0,3638.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: Well, the Queens College histories are an ongoing project, so there'll be more and more, I guess. You know, as more and more people get interviewed, there'll be more and more people who mention house plans in their interviews or more and more people whose interviews focus on that. There might be more and more people who talk about passing down tests. Who knows?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3638.0,3664.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: I mean, 'cause I could think of a whole, you know, a whole bunch of people who would probably, you know, if they knew of its existence, might be interested in, in contributing and they'd all have different points of view too. I mean, I could, I could think of -- well I know of a fellow, if you ever want to Google him, Mark Podwal. He was...\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3664.0,3690.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: The dentist artist?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3690.0,3695.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: Yes. I think he would be a really good interview. Uh, I, I knew him. We went to junior high school together. He was, he was in AEPi and he did, he did all their, um, scenery and special effects for their Follies skits. And as a matter of fact, when I was doing some research, um, they quote him in a Queens College interview one day talking about it, and he talks about Follies and he said, yeah, we used to win every year. How could you beat the, you know, Paul Simon and Eddie Simon? And I used to do the scenery. You know. And there's this accomplished doctor and artist and author. And what was he talking about? He's talking about Follies. It's really amazing. Brilliant guy, but I would think he might have an interesting perspective. He was in AEPi after, uh, after Paul had left. But he might, he might be somebody and I'm sure there's a whole mess of people who might be interested in, uh, giving, uh, their input.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3695.0,3772.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRebecca Rushfield: OK, wonderful! All right. Well, it was wonderful meeting you. I'm glad we finally got to do this. And um, OK, I'm going to click the stop recording. I hope that works. All right. Now I can say goodbye, I think. I'm, you know, I've never sort of handled a meeting before, I've just participated, so I'm going to end. We'll be in touch after then. Bye-bye.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3772.0,3804.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300/transcript/20808/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nMichael Kail: It was a pleasure speaking with you, Rebecca.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/31664/file/100300#t=3804.0,3810.11198"}]}]}]}