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This is starting. All right. Today is Monday, November 25, 2019. It's about 2:30 in the afternoon. I'm here and in the Queens College Library with Mario DellaPina. We're going to speak about his life at Queens College and perhaps before and after. OK. Do you want to start with just a quick background of where you came from before you came to Queens College?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2.0,36.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: I was a native New Yorker. Born and raised in Manhattan -- believe it or not -- living in the east 50s. 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But that's about it. It's 53rd and Second. There's two large apartment buildings next to it. And on the corner is... They call it the Lipstick Building.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=92.0,107.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Oh, yes. Yeah.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=107.0,107.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: That's. 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And she wasn't really fond of public. So, she worked at night, actually, to put me through a prep school. And it was a very good prep school. And that set me on my way, the rest of the way. So then I went to Chicago. And then after I got out of law school -- I didn't practice law. After I got out, I went to work because that's when the Vietnam War came about. So I worked for a, actually for a non, for the Boy Scouts of America as a... Initially just as an account executive and eventually as a fundraiser. 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I think they think they, they kind of pushed it, pushed me in that direction. I also worked for the government for a certain time when I was with the Boy Scouts. The Boy Scouts had hired. The government had had retained the Boy Scouts to do some work, survey work in the area, so I was working with the government and the Boy Scouts.  Some were...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=282.0,301.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Surveying what?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=301.0,302.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Well, what happened. What they would do is, for example, the government did not quite know how to handle the growing discontent among the youth and around corporations and how they were opposed to the war, how strong that opposition was.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=302.0,323.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So we're talking late 60s, early 70s?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=323.0,325.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Late.  Early 70s. And into the mid 70s. And, what they'd ask us to do if they retained the Boy Scouts and myself-- I was part of that group they retained --to begin to interview corporate CEOs and as a Boy Scout America corporation to find out how supportive they were of the war effort. To get their opinions kind of unsolicited, not being the government, but figuring that we were the Boy Scouts, we were quasi-government, quasi- military, youth-oriented. And that they would be more inclined to open up to us and get more of a true belief in how they felt about the war. 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I think that's only the boys, because boys were the ones that would be targeted...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=387.0,391.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Go to war.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=391.0,392.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: And they tapped us. And then they paid... 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I just decided to work, put an ad in the paper. There was an ad for another development program. And it was with the Catholic Church. So... And it was specifically with the Archdiocese in New York. And it was with an individual or small company that had worked, was a consultant to the Archdiocese.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=405.0,430.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Can I ask you about the Archdiocese? Just because we're getting this down in case people don't understand sort of.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=430.0,436.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Sure.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=436.0,436.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: What does the archdiocese oversee? 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The original Archdiocese went all the way from, I think, Philadelphia, all the way up to, god, New England. But then, they split up. 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Catholic charities. All the hospitals.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=486.0,489.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So it's very powerful.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=489.0,490.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: It's a big, powerful group. And it had different segments to raise money from. Obviously you wanted to raise money for the health area. Or you wanted to raise money for Catholic Charities area. Or for the parishes themselves. They didn't have a development office as such. 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And, so they used to hire individual firms to help raise the money for particular needs that they had. And this one firm was a small consulting firm. And they hired me. And eventually they convinced the Archdiocese to start its own development program. So myself and another person started the development office and we began to hire executives to help raise money for the churches, to build schools, to build hospitals.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=509.0,545.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Did you have a target that they wanted you to raise or...?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=545.0,548.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: It depended. You know, they would come to us initially just to raise money for the churches. To build up, to build a new school to a church. Or to re, to build a new church. Or to build a new wing of a church.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=548.0,560.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So it was for, per program.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=560.0,562.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Per program.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=562.0,562.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Rather than to get an endowment and...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=562.0,565.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Exactly. Later on, it became that. But initially it was just a small, small projects. And then it began to expand to do the hospitals and some of the other areas, the church and Catholic Charities. And eventually what they did do is. What they started. A large. Not a large, a more selective group of what they call a Catholic Cardinals Committee Laity which was more wealthy individuals or corporate executives who were Catholic. And then helped them raise large amounts of money for the Archdiocese in general. For the general appeal that they would dole out the money for various things. So that's what I did for a number of years. Then moved to from that. And also did work for a similar diocese, another diocese in New Jersey called Newark. 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And there were a couple of counties outside of that that they controlled.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=622.0,626.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So it's much smaller.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=626.0,626.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: It's a smaller...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=626.0,626.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: And poorer.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=626.0,628.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Well, it depended what, where you talked about. Newark obviously was poor, but the communities around it were a lot wealthier. There was a number of large middle-class areas around there that it that it controlled. I think, for example, Alpine, I think was part of it -- which is a very wealthy area.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=628.0,645.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: I think that New York City, you have access to so many people and so much money.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=645.0,651.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yeah. You had that in a smaller version in Newark. It was based out of Newark but really had the whole area. Like New York was based out of Manhattan. But went up to Westchester. You have wealth in Westchester. You have wealth in Manhattan. You have wealth in...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=651.0,665.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Can I ask? I mean, when, when the Archdiocese. When you as the fund raisers would go to people, were they, as Catholics? 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And inevitably, if they wanted to, had concerns about the school or had concerns about the, wanted to refurbish a building or build a new building and build a new school, they would call us in and we'd speak to the council along with the pastor. And we'd analyze how much money we thought we could raise from that, from that community, that parish community. And then we would do a fundraising program to raise that money. So that set out. They were usually about eight-week programs. I had, I had a staff and I would assign an individual to raise the money for that particular church and that would last maybe a few months. And then by the end of the few months, hopefully we raised enough money to build a church or to build a... whatever, whatever the need was, we would take care.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=676.0,744.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Not to sound crass, but for which kinds of projects would you have to trot the Cardinal out?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=744.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: We didn't trot him out for too much. It was really parochial. It was more, people were more concerned about their own parish needs. So, generally speaking, when I was, when I would go out, it was the pastor who had the idea of doing. Now, that's not to say that he wasn't instructed by the powers that be to say, \"Well, I think you should build a new church and why don't you do a fundraising program?\" But very rarely that the cardinal or a senior... priest come out to beat the bushes. 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Then that became like almost a fundraising program that we do for universities or college where the wealthy people would meet the, the cardinal and he would emphasize the important need that the hospital would, would be providing. And we would get the large donors that way. You know, on the large on a very large diocesan type of programs like a hospital or... he would be involved.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=794.0,822.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Now, you're a Catholic.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=822.0,822.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yes.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=822.0,822.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Did they only? Did it help? Knowing...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=822.0,826.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: It helped knowing. It helped knowing. It helped knowing the lingo. It helped knowing, you know, what some of the needs were and be, relating to that. Yeah. In that sense, you can relate to the parishioners and their concerns and so on. So, yeah, that helped quite a bit. In the strict sense.it was, it was textbook fundraising right there with the program. It's just that the lingo changed.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=826.0,855.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Right.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=855.0,856.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Fundraising is the same thing, whether it's a hospital or a college or university or a, or a Catholic church. Certain principles that you follow. And it's the lingo that changes.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=856.0,867.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Can I ask you? I mean, jumping back. As a little boy-- I don't think anyone as a little child says I'm going to grow up and be a fundraiser, so what did? Did you have any thoughts on what you wanted to do?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=867.0,876.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: I, I thought was going to be a lawyer. You know, that's what my initial thought was. But then as I went down the process, down the line, it was exciting because I was... I worked for a law firm at one point. I was a clerk, a law clerk and so on. And, you know, law is is a very, it's not an exciting field when you you know, you have to  begin to earn your stripes, so to speak. So you have start as a law clerk and then you move up and then you get into partnerships and it gets very competitive--especially if you want to become a partner in a law firm. And I was fascinated because I would meet senior people, very wealthy people, very powerful people, just just on my first outing as as a fund raiser. I mean, I'd be into the executive suite without, without knowing it. And I'd build a good rapport with many of these people. And they'd gain my confidence and I'd gain their confidence. So it was a fascinating. I was, I was intrigued how I could meet so many powerful people and so, so well. And I would say to myself, jeeze, if I was practicing law, I'd probably still be in the clerk. Or I'd still be now doing briefs for somebody.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=876.0,953.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: It's interesting because for a number of years, I worked for the Israel Museum's American development office. And it's true, you would be, you're working with the top people there. And they'd be very, sometimes they'd be very insecure and start asking me what they should do.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=953.0,968.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Exactly.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=968.0,969.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: And I'm like, \"You're asking me?\"\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=969.0,973.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: You can see how you get you get wrapped up in it. You know, I became --very especially here at Queens--so I became part of the Center for Jewish Studies. I used to work with their board.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=973.0,981.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Right. I guess we should go back. Get you up to? So you're working for a different Catholic diocese.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=981.0,987.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Organizations.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=987.0,987.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: As a fundraiser.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=987.0,989.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: And then, finally, I started to, I sort of wanted to do my own firm. And so I became a consultant and I started my own small company. And I, because I was good, I got a number of clients. But then I realized that it was more difficult than I thought because it wasn't so much raising the money, I had to also sell to get a new client. So I was I was working almost eight days, seven days a week. I would raise money for a particular client. Then I would at the same time, I'd have to go out to try to sell to get a new client because they would only last so long. It was six months tops. And you'd have to get somebody else. So you're constantly juggling. And, if I wanted to hire a staff, it wasn't a great step because they wanted, they wanted more stability than I can afford.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=989.0,1035.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Can I? Is there any difference between fundraising and development or..\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1035.0,1041.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yeah. There is. Development is an overall picture. Development would include both the cultivation aspect of it and as well as the fundraising aspect. Fundraising being the actual solicitation portion. The cultivation aspect of it includes both identifying the person that you want to solicit. How are you going to solicit that person. How are you going to shepherd that person along. Then, finally, the solicitation end of it. And then more importantly or as importantly is stewardship of that person. How are you going to keep that person involved? So that's the total development picture as opposed to the fundraising...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1041.0,1076.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Because I'm saying fundraising and I'm saying development. And I should be saying development.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1076.0,1081.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Development. And then they the core of it is actually the fundraising, but actually that's the easy part, because if you bring him along then you...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1081.0,1088.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: [Laughing]\t I still remember working for them, keeping back the index cards with all the dates. \"Oh, it's their child's birthday. Let's write them a note.\"\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1088.0,1096.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Right. Exactly. That's the development end of it. And that's more tedious than it is to ask for money. To ask for money is easy. When you are a fund raiser in the pure sense. I used to, the, with the church and whether it was a, an individual. I had a client and they needed to raise whatever-- pick a number-- you know, 5 million dollars within the next six months. I didn't have time to cultivate. I had to work with the list they had.  So I was a pure solicitor then. I would go out, knock on the door, pray that they were cultivated properly. And then try to sell them or or get them to give money-- either immediately or over a period of time. There's a nuance to giving money. To ask. And would try that. But it was a pure. And that was pure fundraising.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1096.0,1148.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Then I had my own firm but realized that I had a hard time convincing people to work for me because they wanted a steady job. They knew I was really looking for my next job. So, I decided to go back again there again as sort... And someone called me up and said there's a position available at Queens College.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1148.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Now, where were you living then?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1170.0,1173.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: I was living. I was living believe it or not, I was living in Queens. And I said, why not?  And it was it was a firm. A firm hired me. Called me up, and said are you interested. I said, \"Why not?\"  And I remember speaking to, coming here for an interview with the headhunter. Meeting the President, which was at that time a very high point , one of the best fund raisers I've ever met. Her name was Shirley Strum Kenny. And she was the President of the college. And Shirley interviewed me, liked me. We hit it off very well. But then I got a call about a couple of weeks after the interview and they had selected somebody from the firm who had been working here. So, well that's that's life. I mean, I'm used to rejection. That was my, that's my business is to get rejected. So I said, well, that's very nice. If there's anything I can do for you in the future, let me know. And blah, blah, blah. And about a month went by and. Six weeks maybe went by. And I get a call from the Vice President of the college here and says...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1173.0,1241.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Whose name was?.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1241.0,1245.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Susan. I forget her last name.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1245.0,1248.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Nobody knows the Vice President. Only the President.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1248.0,1251.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: So. So she gave me a call. The President would like to see you again. Do you mind coming in with me and her. I said sure. And I was curious. And pressed me into telling me, telling me that the person that they had hired initially didn't work out. They just didn't hit it off. And she was intrigued with me. And ...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1251.0,1271.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So it was very important that. the person working in development had to be...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1271.0,1276.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: And she knew I was. And it was strange because she was a Catholic, she was a Jewish woman. And she had taken a chance on raising an Italian boy who worked for a Catholic organization. So she was pretty gutsy in that. And then we hit it off very, very well.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1276.0,1294.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So when you came into the college, what was their development and fund raising like?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1294.0,1298.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: She had fired the whole development staff. And she hired a firm to take it over. And that's where, that's where the problem went. So her instruction to me was to rebuild the development office. And I started off with the annual fund type of program, which we were focused on [unclear].\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1298.0,1317.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So you hired a lot of people. Or...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1317.0,1319.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: I hired. I hired. Well we actually used in-house staff, students and. mainly students and alumni to do the annual appeal. Which would call up somebody. In those days you'd call them up on the phone and you would ask them to make a five dollar, ten dollar, whatever. And that went on for a couple of months and we were pretty successful at that. And. But she had started very, amazing. She had started a. Well, maybe backtrack again,  you should know we're a state instead of city institution. State city institution. And the board of trustees is not located at the college. The college board of trustees is located at the central. It's City University of New York Board of Trustees. And they make all the decisions. But, a number of colleges, including Queens, had independent not for profit, 501(C) (3)s. Small corporations. To run, for example, a museum. The Godwin Ternbach Museum. I think there was a couple of others. Alumni association was a small 501 (c)(3).  And every college had a foundation. And the purpose of the foundation was to get private money donated to the institution on the proviso that we would tell the donor this money would not be commingled with state money. So, it was to insure you, for example, that if you gave me a thousand dollars, that that money next week wouldn't be swapped up by the state to pay the electric bill or to pay the lights, you know, or pay somebody's salary.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1319.0,1416.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: It would go directly to the college.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1416.0,1416.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: That would go directly to the college. It was a separate 501(c)(3) . Separate corporation. And the money would be put into whatever you said it was. Scholarships or or whatever other needs that the college she decided it wanted to go to. And there was a small board that controlled that money. Or that oversaw that money. And the President had, had, had a seat on that board. She wisely decided to make that her Board of Trustees for the college. So she began to. We and we started to look up, look up some of the most, I guess, notable graduates of the college.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1416.0,1458.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Can I ask? Do you remember? Where was she before she came here?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1458.0,1460.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yes. She was. I think, I believe it was. She was the dean of a school in Washington, D.C. I don't think it was American University. It was maybe George Washington. One of those.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1460.0,1476.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Did she come with a track record?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1476.0,1478.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: No, she was same thing. She came as a Dean. Not as a Vice President or Provost. She came as a Dean. And so they took a chance on her and she was terrific. And the fact that she began to, to build a board. And she got, the first person she got was the head of Comsat-- which is, Comsat was a government agency... Well, it was a quasi-government agency and they put all the satellites in space in those days. For communications, for government communications, as well as everything else.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1478.0,1516.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Did she go out searching for people who had a Queens College connection?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1516.0,1520.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yes. Yeah. It was, they were all alums. And, he had connections to a number of other people. And he knew of some. So then eventually we got the American, president of American Express. We got the president of, Chairman of the Board of Toys R Us. We got the president, got the Chairman of the Board of Continental Insurance. Bear Stearns, CEO.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1520.0,1541.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: And they were all Queens?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1541.0,1542.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: These are all Queens College graduates. It was the most amazing board I've ever been. Mattel Toys. It was the CEO of Mattel Toys. And Computer Associates or CA -- which is out here.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1542.0,1556.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: And they all obviously had a fond... memories.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1556.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: And she would. She would. Some of them didn't. Some of them did, some of them didn't. We had a fellow by the name of. The president of American Express, for example. His name was Edward Cooperman, who the plaza's named after. Right up front as we walk in there, wasn't too fond of Queens.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1560.0,1575.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So how do you change him?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1575.0,1576.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: She changed them. I didn't do it. She did. She spoke to him. She got somebody else at that, that they went to a basketball or football game, who knew him fairly well and finally convinced him to listen to her, to speak to her. And she sold him on it. And I remember laughing at her one day and saying, ‘oh, they love you.’ And it was mainly, mainly men in those days that were on the board. A few women, but mainly men. And I said, \"You know what it is Shirley? You have a way.\" She had five. She had five children, four of which were boys.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1576.0,1609.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Oh. So she knew about them.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1609.0,1610.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: I said you know, how to handle men. You put them in categories. You know, that's the way my husband acts. My second child acts. And my third child. And she knew how to deal with these very separate.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1610.0,1622.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: But I guess she could also put on her disarming Texas charm.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1622.0,1624.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: She was disarming, very disarming. And I remember she said to me one day after she got most of this together. She called me up in the office. She said, \"Mario, I'm going to make you the executive director of the foundation. Meaning you're going to be in charge of the foundation and you're going to be dealing with all these men. These are your board. They're, they're powerful people. And they're going to tell you things that they don't want you to tell me. And I'm going to tell you-- you're going to tell me everything they tell you. And I did. Because a lot of them wanted, wouldn't tell her. But they want, knew I would tell her. So I was like a go-between at some point-- especially when it came to difficult things.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1624.0,1664.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Did they have sort of a mandate to give or to raise?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1664.0,1670.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yes. And then eventually we started to set goals. Initially, when we came here, I think we only had 3 or 4 million dollars in the, in the foundation-- which wasn't a lot. Even in those days, it wasn't a lot. When I left, we were up to 30 million. And now I think they're up to somewhere around 60.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1670.0,1687.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Mostly from large gifts? Or from...?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1687.0,1689.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Combination,  large gifts, but mainly large gifts. I mean. What I, some of the gifts I got here. It was a 17 million dollar gift. Ten million dollars for the....\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1689.0,1698.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So the annual campaign is more ... ?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1698.0,1702.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Annual campaign. Annual campaign.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1702.0,1703.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: You remind people...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1703.0,1704.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yeah. Well, monies come in two different ways. Monies come in what we call restricted and unrestricted. Restricted money means that you make a contribution and you say to me, I want it to go to a scholarship fund. Well, that's restricted to a scholarship fund. It may be in your name. It may be in somebody else's name or it may be just... We knew that restriction. The smaller gifts, like the annual appeal. Some would say, oh, here's ten dollars. Twenty dollars. Well, that was unrestricted money. But in a way that was more important money because the president or someone could use that money for anywhere they wanted to do it. So, they wanted to build something at the college that we couldn't get state support for, we would tap into that money. And it would be done quickly.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1704.0,1748.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: If I can ask, like how much would? In the beginning, how much would come in in a year from the annual campaign?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1748.0,1754.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: It would come in probably in the millions.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1754.0,1758.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So you can do something.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1758.0,1759.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Oh yeah. We came in the millions at one point. Then we did the gala -- which was an annual gala. Which was strictly for unrestricted as well as scholarships. And that began to bring in five or six hundred thousand dollars a year--if not more. Now it’s bringing in. And, I think at one point we were bringing 7 or 8 million dollars a year-- if not more. But we would spend. Because it was unrestricted, a lot would go out to fund projects.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1759.0,1789.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So when you came in, how good was the database of information?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1789.0,1794.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: It wasn't that good.   What we began to do is hire what we call a researcher. And that was the key. And his job in those days-- still is.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1794.0,1806.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Same person or a different?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1806.0,1807.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Today?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1807.0,1808.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Yeah.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1808.0,1809.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: He's still here, but not in that capacity. He's now moved up to development.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1809.0,1812.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: And his name is...?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1812.0,1813.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Dave D'Amato. Dave was fantastic and he's a great researcher. But but now he's Development Director, so...But he has researchers. And what they do is they comb the database and they try to find out where someone is. Their net income. Should we tap into this person or not? I'll give you a quick story. We, there was the Chairman of the Board of the Foundation at that time got a letter from this woman and it came in to him.  I forwarded it on to him, he sent it back to me. And basic letter said, I'm coming to New York on such and such a date and I'd like to see you and the President when I'm here. So normally it would be would be a letter that we'd say, well, okay it's some some some alum that wants to meet the President or something. And we pretty much. But the way it was written, the tone of it was a little bit, a little bit concerning. So I gave it to research. I said, \"Dave, can you just take a look at this woman and see what she's, if you can research her, find out what she's about, and if someone should pay attention to.\" He comes back into my office, maybe about three or four hours later.  He says, \"Mario, we have a whale.\" And that was our code for a very wealthy person. And I said, you're kidding me.’ He said, began to tell me about her and who she was. And it was Virginia Frese Palmer. And she, I called her up and I said, \"Oh, when, Mrs. Palmer, when are you coming to New York?\" \"Oh, I'm coming on such and such a date.” She lived in Tucson, Arizona. \"And I'd like to meet the President and the Foundation, someone from the Foundation when I'm out there.\" I'll be glad to. So, I of course, I told the president I told the Foundation board member about this person. The Chairman of the Board couldn't attend, but he sent one of the other board members in his place.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=1813.0,1942.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: And I agreed to pick her up at her hotel. So I drive and pick her up at her hotel. I drive her back out. We did a tour of the campus type of thing. As we're walking down right, right by the library here. We're walking out from the library, going back to the office of the president. She says to me, well, she says, she was a speech pathologist when she graduated here. And she told me, but my husband was a teacher in the last number of years in Philadelphia. And he loved teaching. And, you know, we we gave so much to the teaching thing. I'm a teacher. My God. This must be, this must be a disaster. She's not a mega millionaire. You know, she's not. She's, she's just a wife of a teacher. So I get a little, little, little nervous now to go up to the President, whoever. And, as we're going up the, going into the building to go up the elevator, she says, \"You know.\" She says, \" My husband made his fortune in electronics. He started his own company, a  tech company. And he sold it. And then what he did was, in his later life, he he went back to teaching and donated his money back to the Philadelphia public schools. He just wanted to teach.\" And so I went, \"Psshuh\". She was wealthy. And we went up and we had a conversation with the President. And on the way back down, I'm driving her now back to New York. And I said, well-- I referred to as Jenny-- because she said, call me Jenny. She says, \"Well, thank you. It was really instructional. You know. I wanted to give you, I wanted to give the school money.\" And she said, \"Before I gave you money, my advisor said that I should take a visit to the school and take a look. And if it's what I remember, if you think it's a decent school, then give them money. If not, then forget it.\" She says, \" I think I'm gonna give the money.\" I said, \"Oh, that's wonderful.\" She says, \"I'm going to give you a million dollars.\" So right off the bat, just driving back and forth, she gave me a million dollars. You know, it's a quick million dollars. Later on, she gave me another 5 million to name a building. 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By, at that point, was your sort of research division computerized or...this is back in the days...?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2083.0,2092.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yeah, it was. It was, there were certain search engines that they used that had all of this information. 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You try to use Social Security numbers. Now you can't do that anymore but in those days you could. 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Fortunately, it got a lot more easier now. Now everything is located on some some databases and there's search engines and various types. And they charge you for it too. So. There's so many of them now. You know, you have the opposite problem. You have to weed out to make sure you're, you're, you're getting the ones that are teaching, getting you the great stuff and not just giving you some junk, you know? Basically, a lot of it is junk. So. So Dave was an expert on it. We pulled up some very good people.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2119.0,2154.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So if I could ask, what percentage of the graduates of Queens College have become that financially successful?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2154.0,2163.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: That's a good question. I couldn't give you a hard answer, but I could say certainly probably a good, probably three or four or five percent-- which is a substantial amount if you're thinking about. I mean, I think that database now when I left was about 80,000, 90,000. So now it's probably over 100,000. 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That's a lot of people.  If you can get even a third of those, you're doing very, very well. So you have a pretty big pool to work for, work from, in terms of a college. I remember if you're a national organization like the American Cancer Society or a big hospital like Sloan or more, well, now you have the whole country as your data... Everybody that has a particular illness or a particular concern becomes your, your data pool. When you're working for a college or university, it's generally just that particular alumni base. Unless, unless you have other organizations attached to you, then then they see you. Like, for example, the Midwestern universities have a larger database because they're the only game in town. You know, you go to University of Michigan, that's ...It's not like New York where you have Columbia, you have NYU, you have all these other not for profits. Someone told me once-- I remember reading this --that there are 35,000 not for profits registered in New York. 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So, you really have to learn how to distinguish yourself or to pick a way to get to that particular individual to make their relationship.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2264.0,2271.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Now, you were the head.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2271.0,2273.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yeah\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2273.0,2273.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: But I'm wondering in terms of the college and its alumni and kind of making them feel good about the college. I mean, how did the campaigns go? How do you do it?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2273.0,2286.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Well, that's it. It was. It was. Eventually the Development Office morphed into what they call Advancement. And Advancement now took on another meaning. So you have advancement, development, fund raising. The Advancement Office now would take into consideration both public relations, marketing. That whole you know, the print area. media relations. That usually came under Advancement. When I was the Vice President at Lehman, that came under my direction. I had not only development and a foundation and the fundraising, I also had media relations. I had government relations. I had a whole slew of other areas. And that all tied in together. So you'd want to coordinate your PR with your fundraising.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2286.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Because I'm thinking. For years and years, the only contact Queens had with me was I think they'd send me an annual...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2340.0,2347.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Letter.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2347.0,2348.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: A letter. And call me up asking for money.  And then once a couple of years ago, all of a sudden, the art department sent me this like, little thing about what was going on. As if to say, oh, we remember that you were here doing that.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2348.0,2363.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: And that, that, that was. That's become more sophisticated. What you're trying to do now is actually target your alumni by their division or by their majors. So, then you you try to get. Larger schools do that.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2363.0,2379.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Right. So I'm thinking, at least it was something more than okay give money.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2379.0,2383.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: And then, then you would try to-- because faculty don't want to do it. A lot of them, they don't have time. So, what you try to do is get staff in the media relations to write newsletters on behalf of the particular department. And that way you start drawing in the alumni into the, you know, what's going on at the Fine Arts Department. What's going on in the History Department. What's going on in,,,You know, pick it and begin to court those alumni. And then Advancement sometimes would hold little receptions for that particular department. So you'd have a reception for the fine arts department. For alumni. And then you'd start begin to weeding out those people.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2383.0,2424.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: I think that you think the Judaic Studies Department does better in...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2424.0,2427.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yeah. Yeah.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2427.0,2428.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Right. And keeping up with... Oh here's a lecture. Here's a something.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2428.0,2432.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: It depends. Each. Again each, each department. Since we're a public institution dealing now with, with tenure and, you know, you don't have to. We don't have control, you don't have control over, over the academic world. They're in another another category. So you're really dependent upon their buying into you. You almost have to sell them into. That it's good for you. And you have to tell them that the money we can raise will go to your needs.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2432.0,2461.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Hard sciences. They get, do they get a lot of their money from grants? From government?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2461.0,2466.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: They do. A lot of it comes in for grant-specific projects. Although there can be money coming in for Individuals.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2466.0,2474.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Did your department also deal with grants? Or grants is totally separate?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2474.0,2478.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Grants. It depends on the grant. If it was a grant for scholarships or a grant for some other areas, yes. If we dealt with a federal grant or a grant that dealt with human studies or human subjects, no. Then it went to a separate organization called the Research Foundation. And that was a separate foundation. It was CUNY wide. It was a CUNY based foundation. And, because of the requirements that, that the government wants and the accounting that they wanted, that was held separately. Because especially government grants, they have certain steps and reporting that they want done, it had to be. We don't have the staff to do that. We just possibly couldn't do that. So, the research foundation handles, handled all that. They still do.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2478.0,2532.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Can I? I'm trying to think. What years were you here at Queens?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2532.0,2535.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: 1988 until 2008, 2008.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2535.0,2540.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So you were here for sort of the.... Did you leave here before or after sort of the crash in around 2008?.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2540.0,2548.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yeah I left around that time around. The crash was. That's a good question.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2548.0,2553.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Because I was wondering what it did for...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2553.0,2556.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Well, it played havoc with, with. Because at that time I think I was with, with Lehmann or I might have just left here. And it did play havoc with the amount of money. You were, you were, you were pulling out.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2556.0,2569.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So was it 1989 or something? There was also another.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2569.0,2575.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yeah, there was a mini. There was a mini crash...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2575.0,2577.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Which must've played.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2577.0,2579.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: It played a little bit. Not too much, because people who have money somehow escape these downdrafts. I mean, unfortunately, the person in the middle doesn't. The large donor didn't, didn't get affected.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2579.0,2591.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So in terms of what you did during your years here-- and then I'll ask you why you left--what do you think was your greatest accomplishment?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2591.0,2600.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: A number. I think the greatest accomplishment was raising the amount of money we raised, you know. And building a foundation board and shepherding that foundation board through a number of presidents. And that was the. 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But they all respected and came to me about the management of the Foundation because they realized that was their bread and butter. And the last thing they needed was to get those individuals upset because they were so... They had the power to pick up the phone and call the Chancellor and say, \"What are you doing with this [unclear]\t? Just get him out of here. You know. Because they were quite. You know, you're talking about major CEOs of major corporations. And I had them all in one room. 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I mean, his brother, Peter Madoff, graduated Queens. And his wife graduated. Peter, I mean, Ruth, I mean. Bernie Madoff graduated Hofstra. And he was on the board of Hofstra. 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I guess he was the chairman of the Finance Committee whose name was Mike Minikes was... the...I think, Secretary for Bear Stearns. And he said, you know, I don't think it is a wise move. I think we should just hold our money where it is and we have a Finance Committee and they're doing a pretty good job in investing. And let's not put all our eggs in one basket. He he he was reluctant even to discuss it. Maybe he knew something that we didn't know. 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At one point she said, \"You know, Bernie runs a closed fund and it's going to be very difficult for him to accept anybody right now\". But that was his. Later on, I found that that was his schtick. You know, \"I don't accept money.\" Don't hold it back.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2777.0,2795.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Just for the record. 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The story with Virginia Frese  I came back earlier. We were in a restaurant and I'd asked Virginia for 5 million dollars that day. And she loved fish. And she came from Tucson. She flew in and she wanted some fresh. So I took her to this seafood restaurant. And they suggested I take one of the trustees with me. And I, I asked Ruth to go along because I wanted that relationship. She was a very,. Ruth is a very sweet, lovely woman. And I figured they would hit it off. So I asked Ruth to join us. So Ruth came and we were sitting there. And at one point, I guess, Virginia for the 5 million dollars. 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And, it took about maybe five minutes and she confirmed that she would do it. And then we went on to talk about other things. And then I, I drove both Ruth and Virginia, Virginia to her hotel and then dropped Ruth off at her home on Park Avenue. And I, I thanked her. I said, \"Ruth, thank you so much for coming with me.\" I said, \"You know, we have got the money.\" She said, \"We did? \" \"Did you hear us?\" She says, \"No.\".\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2873.0,2903.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: OK. She wasn't really. 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He gives me a limit.“\t\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2920.0,2926.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Ah. He really controlled the money and she didn't know that much. But to me in my position 100 thousand's not that bad.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2926.0,2932.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Well, it was. But compared to the millions and hundreds of millions, I guess the millions that they had control of, this was a very. That's how tightly he.  And then another day we were we were driving, she. In front of the campus there's a very large like an obelisk or some sort of thing. It says Queens College. And we, she paid for that. Her husband and her paid for that. I think it was something like 50 or 60 thousand dollars they paid for it. She she wrote a check for it. And it didn't get built for a while. And she would come to campus for these Board, for our Board meetings once in a while. And she'd say to me, \"Mario, when are they building that sign?\" I said, \"I don't know. I have to. They keep on giving me a different date.\" She says, \"One of these days Bernie's gonna drive because we go to the Hamptons...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2932.0,2977.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: And he's not going to see it.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=2977.0,2978.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: \"...and he's going to say to me, let's pull over and see if we can see what that, that sign.\" She says, \"I stall him, but one of these days I'm not.\". 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And maybe, you know, in their case, probably in the 50 million dollar category. But, you know, some of their, you know, some of their alums who are extremely wealthy...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3034.0,3054.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Now, Queens. Could you get in for half a million dollars?\t\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3054.0,3057.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: No. You couldn't do that now because it's a City and they're very strict and one doesn't want. As a matter of fact, that's. People have called up-- a couple; not only this President here at Queens, but other CUNY presidents-- and said, can you, can you help me? I remember at Lehman, the President said, I have no control over the admissions process.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3057.0,3075.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Totally separate.\t\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3075.0,3080.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Your child has to apply. And if he can get in, that's well, you know, I'll . You know, if he needs remediation, that's a different story. But the admission process is hands off. So that-- at least that as far as I know-- at CUNY school it's hands off, you know. In that sense. Because it's a pretty strict process in that sense. What people did like to do in legacy gifts is they like to give like for a building here in Queens. Or a plaza. And this was interesting because private schools, you don't know if they're going to exist 100 years from now, 200 years from now. You know, Queens College is going to exist. As long as the city of New York and the state of New York, there's gonna be a Queens College. So they knew that. So... And we didn't put a time restriction. In some schools now put time restrictions. They'll say for 40 years or 50 years. 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So they. They, they come up with different. Now they are limited.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3144.0,3154.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: But Queens doesn't.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3154.0,3155.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: But we. There's no. If someone wants to change a name, then they have to go through a whole legal process to change the name and to get permission of the donors or their heirs and maybe come up an alternative space that they'd be recognized for. It's a little bit different, I think. I don't even know if it works because some of the original buildings here at Queens were named after faculty members or past faculty members. In those days. In the 30s and 40s and 50s, maybe even 60s, you know, the faculty petitioned the President that they'd like such and such a building named. They’d do it.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3155.0,3193.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Remsen Hall.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3193.0,3193.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: The board would. Or Powdermaker. The Board, the CUNY Board would, would. Now, you can't do that. Now it has to be attached to a gift of some sort.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3193.0,3202.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Now, can you sort of put a name around Powdermaker or a name around Remsen?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3202.0,3209.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: We did that. If you notice Kupferberg. The Kupferberg Center for Performing Arts. Max Kupferberg, an interesting story. Max started his, there were three brothers. All worked on the Manhattan Project. Max was a physicist. His brother Ken was a graduate, was a chemist. And his other brother didn't go to college. Was more or less a tinkerer. He was just a great inventor. Had technical ability. And, they all worked on the Manhattan Project. And, I think they were the only three brothers that worked on that project. And when they came back, both Ken, Ken took a liking to the Foundation. He was on the board, and his brother took a liking to the Performing Arts Center, which was then called Colden. And, to make a long story short, Ken passed, Ken passed away. And Max had a run in with which Shirley Kenney/. And later on to one of the other presidents Jim Muyskens, we pulled him into the fold. And I remember at one point saying we need to get a very large gift from Max because he was worth hundreds of millions. Hundreds of. Yeah. Hundreds of millions of dollars. So I, I built a connection with Max. I liked him a lot. And because over the years I dealt with him. And we talked about renaming the Performing Arts Center because that was his love. But we couldn't because it said Colden. To get that change was like a nightmare. And people would start protesting. So, we came up with the idea of calling it the Ken Kupferberg Center for Performing Arts which would include the Colden Center. The Godwin-Ternbach Museum, the Lefrak Center, the museum, a whole host of things. Like like Avery, like Lincoln Center. So we did the same thing and we made an overarching appeal. And we we said to Max, we want, we'd like to do this. And we gave him three options. The first option was, I think a classroom or something for a couple of million dollars. The second option was to name the science building. I think it was 8 million dollars or something like five or six, eight million dollars. And the last was the Performing Arts Center. And I remember sitting there with the President that time which was Jim Muyskens. And we pitched him these three options. And he said, thank you very much. You know, we were in his conference room. Thank you very much. It's very interesting. I have to speak to my wife. Blah, blah, blah. And that was it. You know, we leave and we kept our fingers crossed. Well about, I say about a week later. Not even. Maybe even less than a week later, I get a phone call from Max. And he says, Mario, I made the decision. Selma and I made a decision what we're gonna do. I said, oh, really? Now, I'm thinking, you know, the chemistry building or the...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3209.0,3399.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: How much was the performing arts center?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3399.0,3400.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Ten million. Or the chemistry, maybe. The chemistry was like five. The chemistry department l was like five. And the the science was about eight. And I said that's probably going to be one of the other two. I don't think. So he said, we're going to name the Performing Arts Center. I said --and I just blurt it out. \"Why?\" I mean, I didn't mean it that way. Why did you choose the Performing Arts Center over all the other ones? He says, \"That's a good question. We talked about it. And the reason I chose the Perfoming Arts Center\", he said, \"I, I am grateful to Queens College for what they did for me for my education. If it wasn't for Queens, I wouldn't be where I am today. I'm also thankful that I grew up in the borough of Queens because if it wasn't for Queens and for the people of Queens, I wouldn't be where I am. And that's what my business is. It's still in Queens.\" So he says, \"What better way to to reward both the community and the college, but to make that performing arts center because it's going gonna serve not only the college. It's going to serve also the Queens borough, the Queens community.\" And that's why he chose it. That's a very nice, very nice story.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3400.0,3466.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Are there any times when it just, you thought that you had developed someone and then it just went. Any disappointments?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3466.0,3474.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yeah. There were a number of disappointments. There are people that, you know that. There's no one that would say, I'm going to name something and reneged on it. There was no one who would do that.\t\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3474.0,3489.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: People who you thought might be big...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3489.0,3489.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: There was always people that I would think. I'll give you a good example. I hate to use his name, but I will tell you. I won't tell you his name. Just say what happened with somebody. He was a very, I've alluded to him before. He was Vice Chairman of G.E  And that's when John, that that's when Welch was the Chairman of the board of G.E.. And that was when GE was probably one of the most powerful companies. Right. And he was in charge, not only a Vice Chairman of GE, he was also in charge of their auto, their aerospace industry-- which was the jet engines itself. So they were making a lot of money. And he was head of that, plus Vice Chairman. And the President and I. He was in Florida at that time. He lived. I think, I think he had a place in Florida. He had a place here in New York. And some other places. So we made an, we made an appointment to go down to see him. And we flew down. And I called him up and I said, \"Geez Mr. So-and-so, I'd like to meet with you.\" Of course, we flew down. And there were a number of people we were seeing that day that we flew down to see him. He said OK, I'll meet you in this restaurant. In this restaurant called. It was an Italian restaurant outside of Palm Beach. And we go down and we go into the restaurant. And it was about 12:30 or so in the afternoon. And the restaurant is empty. And I said to the maitre d or whatever. What I said is, \"I'm looking for a Mr. So-and-so. And we were supposed to meet him, but he's not here.\" \"Oh,\" he says, \"He's in the pizzeria right next door. \"And I was like, it was attached. And he could walk to the restaurant. go into the pizza. I said OK.. We both look at each other. OK. So you walked in and it was a typical pizzeria. It  had a counter. Counter and it had like booths and he was at one of the booths. I said, \"Mr. So-and-so?\" Yes, he says. I'm that name.. And, we sat down, started to talk to him. And. And before I got anywhere near the topic of fundraising, he said, \"You know, I run, I'm running the development program or the capital campaign program for St. Francis Hospitals here in Long Island. And I'm committed all the way to raise that money.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3489.0,3628.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Okay. You weren't getting...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3628.0,3630.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: You know, he made no. I said, \"Well, that's nice.\" I say, \"I'm glad you're doing. That's terrific. We just want to tell you what's going on.\" And he, he was like listening with one ear. Well, at the end of the, end of our discussion, the check comes and it's for, what, three slices of pizza and a couple of Cokes. I mean, you know, let's face it.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3630.0,3650.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Ten dollars.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3650.0,3651.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: He leaves. He. He left it. He left it to me. He puts the check over to the President. So the President picks up the tab for like ten or twelve dollars and we just scratched our heads saying, \"Here is one of the most, probably, senior executives in America. Head, you know, Vice Chairman of G.E. He was so. You know, you talk about people who wanted to forget they. We talked before about someone who didn't want it to for, wanted to forget their roots. He had no interest in Queens anymore. He just didn't.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3651.0,3683.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Do you find that? How common do you find people who, let's say, who went through Queens College and then want to have a different, leave it behind, have a different?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3683.0,3695.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: It depends. As I said, it depends on their, a lot depends on their attitude, their standing in life. Some people don't wish to be associated with their public education. I think. They wanted to have an Ivy League education all the way so they. You know, I went to such, I went to Columbia. And the first thing out of their mouth is I graduated from Columbia Law School. Or I graduated from Harvard. We had a lot of Harvard graduates, especially in law and, you know, blah, blah, blah. And, they would basically. You got the sense that, you know, Queens was just a blip on their road to where they're going to go. Others were quite the opposite. Like we had one fellow who was a Harvard lawyer and bluntly told me. He says, \"Every time Harvard calls me up, all they want is a million dollars and to them a million dollars. It's like, you know, it's like a thousand dollars to you at Queens. I'm a drop in the bucket. They don't appreciate my gift. Even if I gave them 2 million dollars, they wouldn't appreciate it. But here I can make a difference. So I give my money here because I want to make a difference.” So it depends on the prospects.\t\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3695.0,3763.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So people who had a bad experience at Queens. How do you deal with that?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3763.0,3768.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: It depends. It depends what the experience was. One, the President of, of American Express didn't have a great experience here. But, he appreciated the fact that what public education is trying to do. And he saw that. And he began to distance himself from what his experience was and what the experience was for most kids and what that potential could be. And eventually became a very strong supporter of the College. As a matter of fact, he paid a million dollars for that plaza right outside here. Plus other things he did for us.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3768.0,3806.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: What does an institution do when everything has been named? They start going to this room is going to be named. When you can't get a million dollars.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3806.0,3818.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: We named, I think at some point, we started a brick campaign. And if you go to the front of the campus, there's, there's a slew of bricks that go down. I started that, started off.\t\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3818.0,3829.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: All right. Actually, I shouldn't. Because when I was at the Israel Museum's fundraising, Ace Greenberg named the bathrooms in the Israel Museum after his brother.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3829.0,3838.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yeah, Ace was. It was. At one point, a supporter of Lehman because a couple of his senior executives were, I mean, Lehman. Queens. Was, were Queens graduates like Minikes. So, and then we started pulling others, from others because of, for example, the Center for Jewish Studies here at the college. And I became a member of the Board. And many of them were not Queens College graduates. A lot of them were, were high-end executives who made it on their own. I must preface that. A lot of the self-made men had no. Some were Holocaust survivors. Some, you know, just wealthy individuals who through hard work and brilliance made a business. And they gravitated to the Center for Jewish Studies. We had a very powerful board.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3838.0,3897.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Do you see that self-made people are easier to get...?\t\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3897.0,3901.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yes.. The worst are people that inherit money. They have no concept of giving. That's my personal opinion. I think they give away because their accountant tells them to give away. They may have some feel for something, but it's not. It's not in them. The self-made man or woman is the one that really has, are the most generous. I think for two reasons. One is they they appreciate the struggle and want to pay back as kind of a reward. To say, look what I've accomplished. And the other. I think one person told me. I have more fun giving it away than I do making it.\t\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3901.0,3949.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: That's nice. I have a question in terms of cultural things. And as the student body changes. Changes in the culture of giving as the culture changes. How do you deal with that?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3949.0,3962.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: That's very good. It's tough. Because if. You're right, the institution is changing. You know, Jewish philanthropy, that's always been our major donors. Is really the Jewish philanthropy. The Jewish alum. They by far. This was a lot of Jewish students. A lot of Jewish alumni here. And then second became... Others. A number of Catholics or Italians and other are giving quite a bit. I think the Hispanics are starting to pick up a little bit because of that. The other ones, I don't think it's in their nature yet. Maybe down the line.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=3962.0,4009.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Because I know. Some job I have. I work with Asians and I see a totally different cultural thing and I think it's much harder in terms of the giving. And as the population of Queens becomes more and more Asian and probably the alumni of Queens is going to become more and more Asian.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4009.0,4028.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yeah, I. Asians, I think, just it's that. That's a funny one. I think they, they, they're more frugal in one way, but they're also more understanding of what, what that gift can do. They're more demanding. So I'll give you money, but you have to produce with that money. It's almost, it's almost like an investment. Let's. I'll give you a million dollars and you say you going to do this with the million dollars. I want to see that million dollars. Before you go any further, I want to see the results of that. It's more of a practical...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4028.0,4062.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So it changes in advancement.\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4062.0,4064.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Right. Puts more stress not only so much on development, but the usage of the money. So if if a department says I need this money to do X, Y and Z and that department doesn't use the money for X, Y and Z, you're not going to get the money, get the money back. Where a Jewish philanthropist may have over, may overlook and say, \"Well, you know.\" Where the Asian philanthropist will probably be more, more demanding. And he probably is more aware of also the demographics of the institution. So he or she wants to make sure that there are Asians in that institution that are going to reap the benefits of of his or her gift. So, that becomes a part of it also. It's hard to say about some of the other ethnic groups because it's not a culture of giving in some of them some. Some learn it as they go on. Some realize that it is a benefit to him in terms of businesswise to do it, so they do it because it gets them into certain social networks.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4064.0,4134.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Right. Right. I think about in certain museums.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4134.0,4137.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yes. So if I want to go on the board of X, Y, Z, I better pony up some money to do that. So, then it becomes a social standing issue as opposed to just a pure. You know, I was, I learned that from. From, you know, from meeting the Jewish philanthropy or from my parents and Catholic philanthropy..\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4137.0,4157.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So can I ask? What made you leave Queens? I mean, Lehman was a step up.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4157.0,4162.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yeah, that's basically it. Lehman was a step up. I had been here for eight years. I mean, for 19 years or something like that. And I always wanted a challenge. I was very comfortable here. That was a problem. I mean, I was well respected. The board was, the Board was very upset when I left because I was. They would look at me at one point because it was almost \"ask Mario what we should do.\" and I'm still friendly with a lot of the Queens Foundation Board members. About half a dozen at least. But I went to Lehman because it was a new challenge. Because it was a, I saw, I saw Lehman as the way Queens was when I had first started. I liked the president's at the time.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4162.0,4208.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So, at Lehman, what was your mandate? What were you supposed to be doing?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4208.0,4211.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: I was more. It was more in charge of Advancement, as here I was in charge of development for the most part. Where at. And the Foundation. Where at Lehman, I became in charge of Advancement--which was both the PR aspect of it. We have a very large performing arts center, just like they do. Like Colden. Same size. Almost the same size. So I was in charge of that. I was in charge of their museum or gallery, I should say. I was in charge of their government relations area. I was in charge of media relations. I was in charge of development. I was in charge of the foundation. I was in charge of alumni relations. All of that.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4211.0,4257.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Right. How old is Lehman College?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4257.0,4259.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Nineteen ... Is it older than Queens, I think. No. It's not older than Queens. I'm sorry. It's it's technically only nineteen sixty eight or nineteen sixty so-and-so, I think. Maybe '64, '65. But it was built in 1929. And most people don't realize that Lehman College was, was Hunter College. What happened was, in the 1920s before the Depression hit, they were going to move to college to the Bronx, to Lehman. And they built a small campus and that's what they were building. As a matter of fact, the buildings say Hunter on it. And then the Depression hit and they stop building. And so they had two, now they had two colleges. They had Hunter and they had Hunter. And that became, Lehman became known as Hunter in the Bronx or Hunter North. And Hunter in Manhattan was Hunter Manhattan. And eventually. At one point, every borough had a senior college-- meaning a four year institution. But Bronx didn't. So they decided to take the Hunter campus and make that the Bronx campus for the borough and they changed the name from Hunter to Lehman.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4259.0,4340.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: I'm thinking. So it has a much shorter history as Lehman.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4340.0,4344.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: As Lehman, but a much longer history as a college.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4344.0,4345.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Right. But I'm thinking. People who went to Hunter in the Bronx do they...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4345.0,4349.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: No, they don't have any. No. Matter of fact, Philip. A very wealthy billionaire, you might have heard of him. He's ... He's the one challenging Elizabeth Warren [about her presidential campaign economic policy proposals]\t. His name is Leon Cooperman. Leon Cooperman graduated Lehman College, but it was Lehman College in the Bronx. Not. Hunter College in the Bronx. Not Lehman College.\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4349.0,4366.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So who? Does he?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4366.0,4366.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: He gave, he gave twenty five. Let's put it this way. He gave 25 million dollars to Hunter. And I had approached him.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4366.0,4372.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Right. So that's a problem. Right. It's fairly new. When your alumni may not have made their millions.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4372.0,4378.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Right. Exactly. So it became much more difficult to begin to to raise money. Plus, getting back to what you said before, the Bronx has a different pedigree in terms of of the type of people who are in the Bronx. I mean, it's more Hispanic. It's black and Hispanic, which, you know. It's a poorer. It's one of the poorest communities in the state.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4378.0,4409.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Except for Riverdale.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4409.0,4408.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: And of course Queens, its diversity has has really grown and spread. 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Certainly not the same quality as Queens...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4423.0,4428.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: But it's a smaller college than Queens.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4428.0,4430.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: It's a smaller college. It's half the size. Meaning it's oh, this is 75 acres. I think that's 45 or 40 acres. The. Uhm. It has about. Now about maybe 70,000 graduates. Some. There are some well-known graduates of, of, of Lehman. Especially the earlier years, because there were more, you know, the borough was more Jewish.   Ivan Seidenberg, who is a graduate. He's, he was the Vice Chairman, he was Chairman the Board. Vice Chairman. No, Chairman of the Board of Verizon. So he was, he was a graduate. So. So we began to identify a lot of key people in that sense. But it was a different type of, it's a different type of fundraising raising the Bronx.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4430.0,4481.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Though the Bronx is so strange cause I think of like the Botanical Gardens there, you know, and the zoo. Which are these world class institutions and their fund raising gets people from well outside.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4481.0,4491.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Again, it's... I can't tap that because I don't have a national. You know, it's more parochial in the sense that Lehman attracts to, you know. Its, its alumni are only coming from the Bronx.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4491.0,4504.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Northern Manhattan maybe?\t\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4504.0,4507.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Matter of fact, years ago the Botanical Gardens wanted to change its name to, from the Bronx Botanical Gardens to, you know. Because they wanted to get rid of that stigma, you know. And the zoo itself. But, even to this day, when you say. If you talk to people in Manhattan or in the city and you say the Bronx, they don't associate the Bronx Zoo or the Fordham Botanic Gardens. It's like, oh, it is? That's right. You know, or Yankee Stadium or Arthur Avenue or Wave Hill or Riverdale. Even people in Riverdale don't consider themselves part of the Bronx. They consider themselves Northern, they're Northern Manhattan.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4507.0,4548.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Right. So that's a much harder job than Queens. Queens is now. Queens has gotten hip. But I remember there was some op ed in the Times. Was it last year? Something of Queens. Someone. It was called \"I grew up in Queens when it was lame,\" \"still lame\" or \"before it was hip.\"\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4548.0,4568.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yeah, it's true. Well, it was farm country. It was milk farms. A lot of milk farms right here. Now it's some of the wealthiest communities in the city are located. I mean, talk about Malba, and you know, Little Neck. And places like Forest Hills. I mean their,houses there easily rival Westchester or even parts of Long Island. You know, the Gold Coast. So and now you have Long Island City. That's booming. I mean, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's. It's rivaling Brooklyn, I think. Brooklyn-Queens corridor now.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4568.0,4606.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So what made you decide to retire from full time employment for someone else?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4606.0,4613.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Well, my age. I mean, it got to the ripe old age of retirement. And I said, let me, let me, you know. You know, it's a tough, it's a tough business, you know. Especially when you have goals every.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4613.0,4627.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD:  But, is it as...? In terms of the potential of being fired as, let's say, being a coach of a football team? Where a team, if you don't produce you're out..\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4627.0,4640.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Yeah. If you don't produce, you're out. You know, I was very fortunate that I produced every, every time. Plus, we had a change in presidents at Queens, at Lehman. The President was there for 25 years. He was at that time the oldest President. I worked with him for eight years. We had a new President come in. I'd liked him, started to get along with him. And then I said, \"That's. This is, this is my time. You know, I had reached my limit. In terms of, in terms of what I wanted to do, I mean, I was 70 years old and, you know, how long can you push it, you know? Plus, you know, my retirement numbers were good. And I said, you know, why am I going to put up this additional stress now when it's...So I told the President that I gave him a year.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4640.0,4689.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Did you help choose your replacement?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4689.0,4691.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: No, no. That I didn't do. No. And I don't think. I don't think anyone. That's one thing that's almost taboo. I don't know anybody in the, in the community. In the college system that does. It's open search.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4691.0,4706.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Do they promote from within?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4706.0,4707.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Very rarely. That's one thing I've always complained about with with the CUNY system is that they don't promote from within the institution. They do, but it's almost. Very, very difficult. You stand a better chance of, if you're a director or if you're an associate director and you want to become a director, you're better off applying for a director position in another CUNY school. Not necessarily outside, but another CUNY school. So they're more likely to take you from Queens to Hunter or from Baruch to Queens...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4707.0,4742.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Than from Queens to Queens.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4742.0,4743.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: Queens to Queens. For some reason or other, there's like a. You know. There must be a magic person out there that's better than what we have. They become very blindsided, you know. I don't know why that is, but that that happens quite a bit.  And I often joke with people saying, you know, if you want a promotion, don't expect it from within your institution--whether it's Queens or Lehman or whatever.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4743.0,4765.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Right. You just have to go someplace else.\t\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4765.0,4766.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: I'lI say, really apply for a position at one of the other schools--one of your sister schools--because they're more likely to choose you than, than...\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4766.0,4775.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Well, did you find you lost a lot of good people because they couldn't? 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I mean. And so that. I don't think they lost with me. From here [Queens College]\t I don't think they lost with me. Maybe, maybe one or two people. Nothing, nothing earth shattering. I mean, the researcher who I, to me was, was the strong, strong person, stayed, you know. And to me, that was key. And we're still friends. Very good friends.\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4801.0,4831.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: Can I ask? Changing totally the subject. But you, I think you wrote on your form that your children both went to Queens?\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4831.0,4839.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA:  Yeah, my, both my two. My wife went to Queens. Got a master's degree here. Two children went to Queens. Both got their Masters here. One is in speech pathology, one in urban studies. And my wife's brother went to Queens here. He's an accountant. Got his degree here. 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Well, that's that's strange because it was a... You left. But when I left, I was here so long that the Retirees Association granted me retirement. In other words, retiree status. So, I always maintain that. And, so, when I retired, it came in the paper. Mario is coming and Mario was Lehman's Vice President, you know. And then they nominated me for Vice President of the Retirees Association.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=4861.0,4899.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: So the Retirees Association, it's more a social group? 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Right.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=5047.0,5048.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nMARIO DELLAPINA: And I would go against traffic going up to the Bronx.\r\n\r\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900#t=5048.0,5054.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/29927/file/97900/transcript/19155/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\r\nREBECCA RUSHFIELD: OK. Is there anything else you want to ...? OK. So then we can end it here. 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