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So my name is Annie Tummino. I'm Head of Special Collections and Archives at Queens College. And we're going to be recording this oral history today with Helen Hendricks to contribute to the archives at Queens College, as well as to the Queens Memory Project. And this interview is part of an initiative called the \"Student Help: Lived Experience Project,\" which is exploring and documenting the experience and impact of Queens College students who initiated and participated in the Student Help Project in the early 1960s.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2.0,38.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nAnnie Tummino: And the Student Help Project had two, I guess, wings. There was the Jamaica Student Help Project, which involved tutoring local kids in Jamaica, Queens, and, you know, areas where kids needed support and help in Queens. And then also summer of 1963, where some of those volunteers traveled to Virginia to work with students that were completely shut out of the public schools due to massive resistance to desegregation and worked with the local community there for the summer. So that's just giving a little bit of context for how this interview came together. And now, I guess, if we can all just kind of— oh, I should say it's Monday, November 16th, 2020. We are conducting this interview on Zoom and now I'll just kind of let everyone else go around and say who they are.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=38.0,91.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Okay. I'm Helen Hendricks, excuse me. And at the time that this Virginia project was going on on the campus, I would say that I was very excited when I heard about them going to Virginia because when I heard it was four years the kids were kept out of school, I just thought that it was awful and that these youngsters from, from New York City was going to go down there and help. It was really great. The only thing is, as I recall, they didn't have someone at the time who was going to go down with them. And if I recall, I think I got in touch with Rachel, or either one of them knew about Rachel, and Rachel and I talked about it quite some time and I was letting her know that these two young men were really and truly quite, they were not only interested, they were caring and were doing what they wanted to do to, to make this just a better world.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=91.0,168.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: And I thought it was great. And Rachel— doctor, Dr. Weddington, I should say. Dr. Rachel Weddington, who's now deceased, did decide to go down with them at the time and I thought that was just super because we didn't want them to go down without some kind of, of supervision themselves. They— she felt that they also needed, if not so much the supervision as they needed to, to be learning something. She was an instructor. She was the one who was going to at least direct them in some way and try to keep them out of trouble, you know. Because, you know, they were quite enthusiastic and it was important that there be someone that they respected and they knew was in charge.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=168.0,227.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: You're answering all our questions, Helen.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=227.0,231.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Really? I don't know about that but—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=231.0,232.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Let me—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=232.0,236.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nAnnie Tummino: And why don't— for the record, why don't Mike and Stan say who they are and what their role in Student Help and when they graduated and then we can keep going with the questions. [crosstalk]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=236.0,247.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: [crosstalk] Go ahead, Mike.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=247.0,248.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: I was saying you go ahead. All right. So I'm Mike Wenger. Queens College Class of 1965 and civil rights activist on campus during my time there. And Helen Hendricks was one of the driving forces behind the work that we were doing on campus.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=248.0,277.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: I'm Stan Shaw. Also Class of '65. I started the Jamaica Student Help Project while I was President of the CORE, Congress on Racial Equality chapter, and then was involved in the leadership of the Virginia project that went to Prince Edward County. Subsequently, I was a professor and now I'm a Professor Emeritus at the University of Connecticut. And now let us begin. Helen, you already mentioned a little bit about your background. Could you run through for us—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=277.0,325.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: In what capacity?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=325.0,326.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Well you, you, you changed and had, had more and more responsibility over time. Tell us about some of your, your changing roles over from the early '60s on.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=326.0,338.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Okay. Well when— I think in the sixties, I was a College Administrative Assistant working in the office as a more or less an administrator of the— I, I was the one, I guess, a supervisor? I don't know what I was at that time, but, but I do know that I was very much responsible for being in touch with the student organizations. And that's what got me in touch with, I mean, had me working closely with Stan and, and Mike. To get any of the services on the campus, they had to go through the Office of Student Activities. Okay. I did that for some time at Queens, always with the student organizations. Eventually, I was, I guess, upgraded to a College Assistant-Higher Education person. I don't think you guys were on campus at the time. You were not. And I started working with students who were going into the professions. Minority students going into medicine and going into law.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=338.0,433.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: So that's kind of what I eventually did. How you do it is changes on the day-to-day basis when you're working with students, student organizations. There's, there's no pack way of doing things. At least that's— they allowed me to work with them as, as things were needed or if what they wanted to do and see if it was going to work. And eventually, I kind of established certain things that would make what they planned to do after they left the college run a little smoother for them. For instance, the students who were going into medicine, I would find medical schools for them that were having programs in the summer and I'd have them prepare themselves to get, to prepare applications to be accepted into those programs. Almost any student that wanted to go into a program was accepted usually.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=433.0,504.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Usually I, I had a contact at the medical school and it would work out for the students who wanted to go. And they'd get paid to go to these programs, to these internships, summer internships in which they learned how to— well, they competed with other students from Yale and Harvard and all the other schools on, you know, in the United States. And they started out saying, \"Oh, if I could only get into the program, if I could only get into the program.\" When they got into the program, they worked it through for the summer, they came back and they said, they would say, \"Oh, when I go to medical school.\" They, you know, \"when\" as opposed to \"if\" I could get into first the summer program. And after competing with the students, the other students from other campuses, they found out how, how prepared they were. Many times they were doing better than some of the kids that were coming from— most of the times, I should say, not only many, but most of the times they were doing better than some of the kids that were coming from other parts of the country and going to ho— what would you say? Going to Harvard and Yale and all of the competitive schools that we know of.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=504.0,597.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Helen, bring it back to the sixties if we may.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=597.0,602.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=602.0,603.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: You talked about your role. I'd like to differentiate my, as a student, my impression of Queens College at that point in time like most colleges across the country, fit the term \"in loco parentis.\" They were in charge and students were just irritations to have happened to be around here. And so in a lot of ways, Queens College was not very accepting of lots of the things that we were doing. But you were. Was there a tension that you felt between your support and the lack of support otherwise from the administration of college?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=603.0,653.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Well, I didn't quite feel that, that you guys needed a mother and father. I thought you were doing quite well on your own and with the things that you were doing. And I would have to most frequently in the, the after talks with the staff, I would remind them, first of all, if it wasn't for the students, we wouldn't be here. That's number one. And number two, they have parents. They don't need us as their parents. We need to help them move from one place to another, but we're not their parents. So it was nice to be a go-between because I do know with the deans that were there, they did respect me, although I was not much older, but they did respect me. I made it clear, I think, that I would get certain organizations after them if they didn't. The time was right for that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=653.0,714.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: So kind of held that over their heads too. But in all honesty, it wasn't that bad. It was just that they needed someone in between to try to explain, first of all, that they were doing something. And after all being an African American woman at, you know, was also helpful. But you know, they weren't going to fight me, but so much without having me confront them with something that wasn't so nice to be confronted with. So, but it was always done nicely. And I think they trusted me and I also had a very good connection with Dr. Weddington, Rachel. Rachel was just, she was always there. And a lot of times when they came to me with something, little did they know, I would check it out with Rachel first, you know, to make sure that I was within the confines and I wasn't doing something that was going to let them get into something that was not going to be, have a good outcome.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=714.0,788.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: And, and that was correct. And she would certainly back it up, you know, most of the times she would back it up. And I think that's why she agreed to go down to Virginia with the students because she said they also needed to have an education. It wasn't always going to be that they were in charge and she didn't want it to get, I, I, I guess I would say she didn't want them to think that they were prepared to go out into the world right now. That they were students and they were strong students, they had a good, they have good purpose, but you're not quite ready yet. So going down to Virginia at that time was, it was important that she be there with, with them and not let them go down.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=788.0,848.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Let, let me follow that up a bit, since you've raised the issue of Rachel Weddington's role, and we can call her Rachel at this point.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=848.0,860.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Yes, yes. Right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=860.0,863.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: When she chose to come to Farmville with us, I was very surprised. As I described before, she was not your \"let's go to the bar with the kids.\" She was a very special, I would describe her as regal lady in a lot of ways.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=863.0,887.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Absolutely.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=887.0,888.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: How did she make that decision? What was your role in helping her make that very, very surprising decision?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=888.0,901.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Well part of it too was— the other part, I should say, was that we both said that we did not like the idea of letting you guys go down there unattended, you know. And if something happened, she was very concerned about that, that something might happen. It was the time for things like that to happen. We had, I don't know. I, I'm not sure I can, in my mind, I can't remember Goodman, Schwerner, and Chaney.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=901.0,937.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: That came a year later.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=937.0,938.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Later, right. But it was, you know, the times were certainly revving up toward that. There were a lot of things that, you know, were happening down in the, in the South that let you know that they were out there. The Ku Klux Klan was very obviously around, and maybe they didn't wear the, the hoods in the daytime, but they certainly were roaming the, the environs at night.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=938.0,969.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: And she did not want you guys down there for fear that they would watch you or find you and so on. And if anything happened to you, she was concerned that— look at what would happen. Here are some young people, young, youngsters who are interested in going down and they were interested in change being made. And that, that was very important that change in this country be made. And if anything happened, it would change your families, it would, it would change how even you felt about African Americans later in your lives. You might not have continued to have the same feeling if something happened to any of you because as we mature, we change and we think differently and, you know. And all I know is, it was a lot of talking to her to get her to think about it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=969.0,1035.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: It wasn't a lot of begging her to go. It was— we had quite a few conversations on why she should be the one to go down with you guys. And I was just so happy when she did say yes, she would take the trip because she was a person who didn't believe in loco parentis either. She was right up, she was the right person for it. She wasn't the kind of person who wanted to rule a group of students. She just wanted to make sure that you had a learning experience and she was going to learn from you guys too. You know, that was important. She, I think, prior to that had been to the director of a study abroad program in Puerto Rico. So she was really perfect for that adventure that you took her on.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1035.0,1093.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Speaking of that adventure, since she is not here to speak for herself, which is very sad.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1093.0,1103.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: It is.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1103.0,1107.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Can you tell us your, from your interactions with her either during or afterwards what she thought, how she, what she was thinking during the, during or after that experience?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1107.0,1126.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: I know it was a great experience for her. She said she got so much out of that. And I think she was quite sure that you guys got something out of it too. She was positive that you got something out of it. The fact that no one picked up and left, either student or, or staff member, picked up and left the experience lets you know that, I think, you were really both of, both students and Rachel I know got so much out of the whole experience. And she knew that you were moving those kids ahead as well. It wasn't something, it was just a random educational experience where one person was doing something and another was doing and there was no kind of control. But she kept, I think, she had you guys run— working like it was a class. But an unstructured class, so that you wouldn't feel as though it was a class.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1126.0,1211.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: It was a class on how to be a change agent.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1211.0,1214.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: How to do what?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1214.0,1215.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: How to be a change agent.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1215.0,1216.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Yes, yes, yes. I would say that's, that was her. She was brilliant. A brilliant woman.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1216.0,1224.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: She was obviously at the time, one of the few African American faculty members on campus, and you mentioned the fact that you were one of the few African American people in the administration and, and what that meant. Can you talk a little bit about what the racial climate was on the Queens College campus at that time?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1224.0,1256.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Well— this is recorded.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1256.0,1264.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: Yeah. But, but all of those people are gone.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1264.0,1271.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: This is recorded right now. It would not be admitted by anyone on the campus that it was a raci— racial, racist environment. Very, very racist environment. There were not that many students on the campus. I, I'm not sure whether the SEEK students had come on as yet.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1271.0,1302.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: No.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1302.0,1303.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: They had not come on as yet [crosstalk]—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1303.0,1306.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Correct.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1306.0,1306.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nAnnie Tummino: I think sometime in 1966 [crosstalk]—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1306.0,1306.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: But the African American students that were at Queens College at that time really and truly did not come from very, very poor backgrounds. They were bright students. They were coming from a lot of middle-class families, who came out of the St. Alban's area and that Jamaica area. The ones who did get to college were pretty good students. However it was quite obvious, I'm certain that you certainly saw it, they were not treated very well. They couldn't go into an office and expect to get serviced by even the staff, the clerical staff that was in those offices.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1306.0,1362.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Many times they came to me and would say things to me and I would try to assist them in trying to, you know, work it out so that they would not be so unhappy or they would not get into trouble by responding in a way that the normal person would respond to what had just occurred to them. The, the college was, I think up to that point, I would say about eighty-five percent white, maybe fifteen percent other and— maybe not even fifteen, it might be just about ten. Because when I came in '57, I would say there was only, it was only two percent. And now, this is now '63.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1362.0,1424.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: I don't think it changed much.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1424.0,1426.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: It hadn't changed that much. Even some of the staff was uncomfortable with the environment. I think because I was in Student Activities, it was a little bit better for me. And I think my personality, also may have had something to do with that. I was young and kind of, well, feisty.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1426.0,1464.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: With a killer smile.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1464.0,1466.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Yeah. Yes. I, it was always with a smile. And interestingly enough, because I had also, I had had a background before in an environment that was not all African American and not all white. And so I really knew how to navigate the system pretty well. And then I had Rachel there and I could always deflect off of— if I saw something happening to me and I didn't care for it, you know, we would kind of talk about it, you know, and make things, you know, a little bit smoother.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1466.0,1518.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Let's put it that way. But the environment at Queens College campus for a long time was very racist. I took some courses there to finish up my degree. And I remember going into a history, a social, social, soci— I'm sorry, a sociology class. And we were talking about the Second World War and the, and we were talking about what African Americans were doing in the war and this and that. And the instructors said that there were no African Americans who were in the Air Force and would fly planes. And of course I knew about the Tuskegee Airmen. I waited because I was on the staff, I thought it would be respectful of me not to say anything that's not so right then and there, but I went to the library the next day and I brought out, I took out some books and I did, I did ask him, could I speak to him?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1518.0,1585.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: And, and I showed— and he did make it, he did acknowledge it to the class after, but that's the kind of thing. If you don't have it— he didn't have it. He was a sociology teacher and he didn't have the information. And so he was passing information on to a whole, a full class. And I was an adult taking that course. And I mean, I guess I was in my forties, maybe late forties when I was taking that class and I was kind of shocked. But then, that's what it was. And that's how Queens College was. I realized they were just unaware, a lot of times unaware. And sometimes they were just plain racist, period. Which is unfortunate, but it was the time and the climate that we were living in and many of us just accepted it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1585.0,1648.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Some of us accepted some things, even I, I know, accepted the unacceptable many times. But I know that I had a I had, I made a plan as to why I was accepting certain things. Maybe it's because I wanted to see something else go by that was more important for the student than it was for me to get my ego fed by having a knockdown drag out with someone over something. And it wouldn't have been necessarily— I would have lost the point because the student that I wanted to help would not have gotten help anyway. And so it was, it would've been a double knockout. A win for somebody that I didn't think should have won that particular war. So that was—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1648.0,1711.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: Do you remember anything about the reaction of Dean Kreutzer, Covert, or others, to the activities that we were engaged in Student Help Project, Virginia project?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1711.0,1730.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Well you know, how can I say this? I think, I don't think they were outwardly, outwardly against anything that you were doing. I think it's more a question of not really caring until it was explained or fed to them. You know? So I don't think that it was intentional, but they weren't doing anything to support it, you know. But they wouldn't do anything against it either. Cause they'd have, they'd have a person like Rachel, who they respected very much— she was highly respected. And that was the good part about asking Rachel to participate in this program. She was highly respected by the staff, not only in the Department of Education, but certainly in the department of the Dean of Students office and Academic Senate certainly, you know, respected her. So I don't think I can say anything untoward or against either Kreutzer or Covert. They were two deans. I think, I think they, they thought they were doing the best they could, you know.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1730.0,1829.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: Do you remember any specific incidents in which you were able to be supportive of the projects with Kreutzer, Covert, or whomever? Any specific incidents in which your intervention had an, made an—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1829.0,1856.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: I could think of a few, but it involves a student and I wouldn't want to discuss that, you know. Something that I saw was approved for one, but not for this particular for, not for the minority student. And just to let, to remind them that this happened in that case. And I was not afraid to let them know that I know that it existed. And so since it existed there, it should also exist here. Being in Student Activities and Student Life with the Dean of Students office was a very interesting spot for me to be in because I saw a lot. I was never one to gossip with any of the other staff members, but they knew I saw it, and they knew that I was going to certainly protect our students, you know, a minority student, if they were involved. Or, didn't have to be a minority student. It could have been just a student who, a Queens College student who was doing something which they said was, was not the right thing to do, like walking on the grass, you know. Something as, you know— Mark Levy, I think was persona non grata for walking on the grass and he did it intentionally. I know he did. [Laughter]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1856.0,1949.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: And I knew he did it just for that purpose, just to get them riled up. But that's that. But you guys worked with a good group of students. All of you were strong students. You— most of you were good, good students. Maybe academically, not so good, but you were good. You were, you were sharp, smart kids. Just didn't have time for the classes sometimes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1949.0,1978.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Exactly, exactly.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1978.0,1978.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Didn't have time for that. They had much more important things to do. So anyway, it was a very, very interesting time. It was a scary time. It almost reminds me of that sometimes today, I must tell you. Some of the things that I recall going on at the time, but we got through it. You got through it because they were people who had their heads up and didn't let things just go by without putting in a word or two.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=1978.0,2017.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: Did you see a change in the racist beliefs or attitudes on campus as a result of what we were doing, as a result of what Rachel was doing, as a result of what other students may have done? You were at Queens College for a long time—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2017.0,2044.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Yes, thirty-seven years I think it was.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2044.0,2046.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: Yeah. So can you talk about how racial attitudes evolved on campus over that time and why?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2046.0,2062.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: I know it did evolve, but it wasn't overnight. It was something that took a lot of doing because when change is, you're trying to make change like that you had the organizations. And then we had trouble when I think the staff and the students began to see that we were having more different types of students come on the grounds. Change was coming, but many times it was coming after something not so nice had happened. And it was up and down. It was very much like, I guess if you were having a march and then somebody decides, \"Oh, let's break that window over there.\" You know? And after the march and all, it, it wasn't something that was going to be accepted by the majority of people in the environment because there was destruction of property or something.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2062.0,2151.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: And so you take two steps, you've got two steps forward and making the change on the campus. And then it's two— four steps back because something untoward had happened while this change was going forward. A lot of, not a lot, but many student groups began to be formed that were along the lines of what you were trying to do. You know, you had a Democratic Club that was there that became a little bit more involved. And then you had the LGB groups that were formed. And I think all of that happened because you guys were doing things that were good and different. And so there, there was change, but it was slow. It was, as I said, you do, you go two steps and then you go four steps back. And then another two steps, and then another four steps back.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2151.0,2227.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Helen, when the campus admissions process changed, was that two steps forward or would that become two steps back?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2227.0,2238.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Attitudinally for the, for the staff, they felt it was two steps back. They thought that these were students, all of a sudden, these different types of students who were coming in. And by that time, you did have students coming in from some of the, from the areas that were not the same type of student that they had had before. And they really began to see a difference with some of the students who didn't have the greatest education from the same local schools that you guys had gone to. I think you, you went to, you graduated from Jamaica High, didn't you, Mike?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2238.0,2285.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: No, I graduated from Hewlett High School on Long Island.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2285.0,2289.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: From which?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2289.0,2289.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: Hewlett High School on Long Island.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2289.0,2290.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Oh, Hewlett. Oh, on Long Island.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2290.0,2292.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: I went to Jackson.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2292.0,2293.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: You went to Jackson. Andrew Jackson is the one I'm talking about.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2293.0,2296.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2296.0,2297.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2297.0,2297.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: It closed.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2297.0,2299.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: It, it's closed now?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2299.0,2300.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Shortly thereafter. In, in that period, it was seen as the worst—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2300.0,2306.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Yes, it became one of the worst schools in the area because the, the area started to change. You didn't have the, the St Alban's private homeowners. You started having students come from some of the projects that they had in that area. And this school, the education they were getting at those same schools were no longer the same. You had teachers who were science teach— reading teachers, teaching science courses. So, anyway, that's interesting. I don't know that people were paying attention to it, but at any rate.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2306.0,2349.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Let's go back to the Student Help Project . You had these intense, passionate white kids showing up in your office here. What did you think of us at the time? Or at various points?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2349.0,2368.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Well, I— you know, because of my experience and exposure before, I didn't think anything was wrong with you. [Laughter] I said, that's how they behave, that's how they act. But I had a lot of respect for you guys too. I really truly did. I thought that you were sharp. You, you know, you knew what you were about and you went about doing it. And I figured that you came out of homes from parents who might have been union people or whatever. I was always thinking about, you know, I would make up stories about everyone in my mind as to where they came from. And I never took anything as a— you never insulted me either. You never, neither, none of you ever said things to me that were really racist. And even if it was kind, it was, or it could be kind and racist, but I didn't get that out of you. And I think that's why I respected you so much and Rachel respected you guys too, for the same thing. That you two were open to learning about some of the culture that you were looking at, you know, and exposed to, so.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2368.0,2460.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: And we have admitted in previous interviews that there was a great deal of immaturity amongst us. But we also have talked about the fact that when we, we'd go to you, you could teach us things in terms of how to deal with this bureaucracy and how to deal with various people. That was critical. Can you talk about that a bit?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2460.0,2493.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: You know, I, I didn't think I was doing anything intentionally. I always just felt that whatever it is you wanted, if it made sense, it would just have to be, you know, requested in a certain way. Maybe not in the way you originally brought it to me, but you know. 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And I would just kind of just, you know, try to soften it a little bit so that it would be acceptable. Let's put it that way. Right. You know, I just interacted with you people, you know, with you students. I, I guess I never quite thought about what will they say. I didn't think about, you know, pulling back your suggestion to do something as much as it was just a question of let's get it done. Let's get it done. It makes sense. So—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2535.0,2578.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: Yeah, I was going to say that your story about us coming from union households and that sort of thing was accurate for me. I had the advantage of coming from parents who were union organizers. And I think I've said this probably to you before, my mother was the stereotypical little old lady, and—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2578.0,2608.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: I remember her, I remember her. Short and feisty.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2608.0,2610.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: Who never, never wanted to miss a civil rights march, a peace march, a pro-choice march. She wanted to be part of all of that. so I had that advantage. I don't think Stan had quite the same—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2610.0,2626.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: No?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2626.0,2627.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Not at all.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2627.0,2630.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Where did you pick— but where did you pick up your sense of things should be right? You know, correct and fair.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2630.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Just as you and Rachel were my mentors and Sid where my mentors in college, I had some mentors during through high school that I could learn to follow.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2640.0,2655.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Put you on track.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2655.0,2657.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Yes. And you know, you talked earlier about you encouraging Rachel, Rachel to come to Virginia to keep us out of trouble. And I've mentioned, I didn't even think about that. And in terms of parents, my parents said, \"Do not go, you're an idiot.\" And yet I had other folks who could support me.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2657.0,2688.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2688.0,2689.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: That was critical.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2689.0,2690.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: And my parents after some temporary anxiety about me going, encouraged me to go.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2690.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: They encouraged you?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2700.0,2701.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: Oh yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2701.0,2702.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Oh, okay. I remember your mom though. She was a short woman. Wasn't she short?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2702.0,2709.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: Four foot, eight and a half.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2709.0,2711.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Yes, yes. I do remember her.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2711.0,2714.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2714.0,2716.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: So I don't know.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2716.0,2719.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nAnnie Tummino: I have a couple of questions, if that's okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2719.0,2721.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: Sure.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2721.0,2721.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2721.0,2722.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nAnnie Tummino: One was just you know, you showed a lot of, it seems to me, a lot of courage showing the kind of strength that you did in the position and the environment that you were in. And I was wondering if you'd want to touch on any of your own sources or background in your own life, whether it was your family or upbringing that kind of gave you that well of, of strength to draw upon.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2722.0,2745.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Well, I came out of a household— my parents came from the islands. My father was from the island of Dominica and my mom came from a small island called Montserrat. My father is a very interesting individual. We had to listen to the news every evening at dinner time. And, you know, just before dinner we'd— and then he would talk to us about what was going on in the world. And he had us my— there's a sister, I have a sister. It's just the two of us. He would have us always take to, to listen to what's going on and see how it affected you. How does that affect you? And he would explain to us how it affected us. He was a Garveyite. I don't know if you know what a Garveyite is, but he was a Garveyite. And so I, I don't know.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2745.0,2821.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: I really and truly took in a lot of what he said. And by the time I was like about twelve, and if I'd go to a movie and kids were yelling for the Indians, you know, \"Get him, get him,\" I was against that, you know. So it was the way we were brought up that things happened. There's cause and there's effect, you know. And I don't know, anyway. It's, it was a background of, as I said, of islanders. But they were islanders who knew they came to this country and we were living in an African American environment.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2821.0,2873.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: And the people didn't come from the islands. I came in— I was in an area where most of the people that I grew up with came from the South. So it was a question— a part of us, my, my family knew that we were different, yes. And yet, we were African Americans and looked and viewed as African Americans by everybody else. So I came to understand a little bit more about what this whole business of being an African American was all about. And at that time we were \"Negroes,\" you know, and we were all Negroes, whether you came from the South, from South Carolina, Florida, wherever. And so the best thing for me to do is understand where everybody came from. And so that's how I learned about different parts of the South and knew that I wasn't ever going to go there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2873.0,2937.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: That was going to be out for me. But it was because I came up in a family where my father made it very, very— it was a very important thing for us to, to see what was around us. To listen to the news, to see how, as I said, how it affected us, how the World War II affected us and, you know, affected him. He was a Black man very much aware of his Blackness and that jobs were not going to come easy to him. And he explained all of that to us. My father eventually became one who drank a lot because he was really a very smart man who had to deal with a world that was just not ready for him.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2937.0,2995.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: So, I had an interesting childhood. They were very, very interesting. My mom was the, was, you know, one who was, who held us, everybody's feet to the fire to, you know, do things. She was a soft woman. But as I said, she was, she was a woman who had to deal with a lot of different things. With a father— I mean, with a husband was not happy. They both came— well, they got married here. They did not get married in the in the islands. And it was well, just an interesting family that I came out of. We had to get a school— had, have good grades in school and that was most important.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=2995.0,3052.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: And you know, just hue the line and do the best you can always. Do the best you can, even though it might not be, you might not be rewarded for it, but you had to do the best you possibly can. And that was that. So that was my upbringing. It was, was a very interesting one. They always put us into afterschool programs to make sure that we were never, you know, straying. You know, and we'd get certain, there were certain advantages to that because we can go out in— if we were not, let's say if we were, were not in the program then we had to be in the house. And that was that. And studying, always studying. We didn't have to do housework and all of that because it was our job was to get great grades in school, period. That was it. Don't have an excuse for anything. They didn't want to see C's. They didn't want to D's, of course they didn't want to see B's even. You had to be an A student period, no more conversation. And that was that. Interesting life, very strict parents. They were strict. No movies.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3052.0,3144.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nAnnie Tummino: Thanks for sharing that about your personal background.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3144.0,3149.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Yeah. That's something Mike and Stan didn't even know.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3149.0,3153.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3153.0,3156.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: I'm not sure how aware you are of how impactful you were to me and Mike, particularly. Not simply in terms of Student Help Project, but in terms of growing us up. Are you aware of that? Do you recognize that?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3156.0,3182.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: You know, I hear it from both of you and from, even from Mark who was a little older, I think.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3182.0,3190.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3190.0,3190.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: But I, I don't— I can't see it as much with you guys. I just was myself and I felt that you are yourself and you adjust to whatever comes you. And that was it. I, I would never tell you a story, I would never tell you, you know something that wasn't so. And I was always very, very honest with you. Maybe that's what you saw. You saw that if I said something, it was what I felt, what I believed and I would try and do it and get it done. That was that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3190.0,3236.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: I think what we saw is someone who respected us.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3236.0,3244.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Very much.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3244.0,3245.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: And, and yet who recognized the fact that we were young and somewhat impetuous. And so when Stan says that you were significant influences in our lives, I think that's what it was about. And, and I credit you and Rachel and Sid Simon with helping us grow up and change from young impetuous, in some ways, disrespectful young people, immature, more— into more mature, more responsible, more thoughtful people. And I don't— I think I speak for Stan in saying that I think the three of you had an incredible influence on our lives, both professionally and personally.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3245.0,3311.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: I certainly appreciate that and thank you for it. I've heard it before, before from other students, I must confess. Because as I said, I was there for thirty-seven years. And I think after a while, you don't realize how much of an effect you have on other people. But I think it was my security. I did not feel insecure in my environment there, not by any means. I did not. I never felt insecure even when I was interacting with the president of the college. I never felt that he was any more important than I was, or my father who I loved.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3311.0,3359.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: I think we probably thought we were more important than the president of the college. [laughter]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3359.0,3368.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: I know you did.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3368.0,3371.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: I have one last question, Helen. In the latter part of our stay at Queens College, the tragedy of Goodman, Schwerner, and Chan— Chaney occurred.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3371.0,3382.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Devastating.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3382.0,3383.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: What was the reaction from your perspective on campus, from students, from administrators to that event?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3383.0,3404.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: I don't know. I, I think I was so, so torn up with what had gone on myself that, you know, I really— I know the students were, were quite devastated. But I don't know about some of, some of the white students. I really don't. I, I think it's like it— you didn't get the same effect that you had when you saw George Howard get killed. If you know what I mean, when I contrast what happened then to Goodman, Schwerner, and Chaney to what happened to George Howard, it was such a different response that I see now that of course I did not see then. But this is fifty years later. That shows you how things took quite a while to get to where we were here in the summer or when this happened to, to the young man in South. So I have, I have feelings about it. Some, I don't know that I'm, I can express them. I don't know that I could express what I felt then and what I felt now. It had the same impact on me, but I don't know that it had the same impact on others at that time, because the time had not passed.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3404.0,3514.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: I, I'm, I don't know that I'm explaining what I really feel about that. I don't know if you got it, you can understand what I'm saying. There was, there is— I'm sure that you could see that there's a difference between then and now as well. The response to what had, had taken place. And yet, I wonder when I think about the young lady last week who said, she was wearing a mask that had Breonna Taylor on it, and they were calling her Breonna in the— she was in the Congress, she was a new person coming to Congress. And there are a lot of people who still were unaware of what happened to Breonna Taylor. With all the time that it's taken on television, on radio, social media, there's still some people that they don't get it. They just don't get it. So, you know, I don't know. I don't know.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3514.0,3588.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nMike Wenger: Well, there are seventy-three million people who voted for Donald Trump.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3588.0,3591.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Exactly, exactly. That I will never understand. But then I didn't understand, I don't understand the senators who stand by and, and, you know, they let that number, whatever. Forty-five is he? They let him do whatever. I, I just don't get it. But eventually we will. Eventually, we will all get it. As I said before, it's a very scary time for me right now.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3591.0,3632.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: For a lot of us.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3632.0,3633.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Yeah. Very scary.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3633.0,3636.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: It's been great hearing from you. I want to say it publicly, I love you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3636.0,3642.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: I love you guys too. I'm telling you, I love you, love you. You made my experience at Queens College, really—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3642.0,3651.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: Interesting?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3651.0,3652.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Interesting. No, but it's wonderful. I sit down now. I, I, I— this past month or two, I've been talking to a lot of the students who have graduated and have gone on. They are doctors now thirty years and I've been talking to them. I would say about maybe fifteen of them. Sometimes I call them or they call me or whatever. And it's been just— I can't believe it. I just can't believe. But I do see progress because when I hear them tell me about their experience— first of all, they like what they're doing and with the ups and downs and all arounds. But they have raised children now who have graduated from college and they're going— one is a doctor and another one is a lawyer and somebody else's something. They have done so well, and I am so pleased that I think I'll stay around for a little longer to hear from somebody else. [laughter] Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3652.0,3718.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nStan Shaw: We're counting on it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3718.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nHelen Hendricks: Yep. Yeah. Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3720.0,3721.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295/transcript/21694/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\t\nAnnie Tummino: Okay. I'm going to stop recording now. Sounds like we're coming to an end. And then we can sort of say goodbye and get off. I'll stop recording.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/35273/file/104295#t=3721.0,3729.28"}]}]}]}