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So to introduce myself, I am Victoria Fernandez. I am the Freda S. and J. Chester Johnson Civil Rights and Social Justice Fellow for the Queens College Special Collections and Archives. And you can go.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=0.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And this is, I am Rosalind Andrews. And when I participated in the Virginia project, I was Rosalind Silverman.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=20.0,29.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay, fantastic. So today is Friday, October 23rd, 2020. And we're recording this interview using Rev Phone Recorder. And it's being recorded for Queens College Special Collections and Archives, along with the Queens Memory Project. Part of an initiative to document activities of the civil rights and students of Queens College who were active in the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s. We'll be specifically talking about the Student Help Project as being one of those civil rights activities that Queens College students were exploring. So that's the topic of today's interview. And I'll start by asking you, Roz, where did you grow up and how would you describe your neighborhood?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=29.0,78.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I grew up in Jackson Heights, Queens in an apartment building, a one bedroom apartment building on 81st Street. And it was, I guess I never thought about the neighborhood in that respect. It's, it was middle, middle-class, lower middle-class. It was— no Blacks, but my father believed that when, one of the reasons he wanted us to move into that apartment before I was born, was I think we were the only Jewish family in the building at that time. And that was something that my father was conscious of wanting to do. But it was a Protestant-Catholic-Jewish neighborhood. There were, there was a synagogue. There were, you know, Catholic churches, Protestant church across the street. And, and that was, that was the neighborhood.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=78.0,133.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. And were you influenced by your parents' political views? Did you take any of their guidance, sort of, in that realm?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=133.0,142.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: That is an understatement. I, I was thinking about this because it was, it's something that my mother would never have me talk about. And of course, when I was growing up, I couldn't say a word. My parents were members of the communist party and it was— oh, yes. And so I was always very, very careful about what I could say and not say to people who were not their friends and not part of that community. But their focus was really before it was popular, you know, was civil rights and, and justice for people and taking care of people.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=142.0,187.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And, and what's, to me, what's particularly interesting is my parents were not religious at all. But at the same time, as I, after joining a synagogue here in Knoxville, I really learned that the values they had were very much Jewish values. It wasn't so much the communist party as it was the idea of Tikkun olam, healing the world. And that was really the focus for my parents. And that's how I was raised. And it was just, you know, living and breathing that, and my parents were active in union activities and writing letters and wanting to make a difference in the world. And, and it was just that the, the close friends I had that's, that's who we were. And that's, that's what drove me, I think all my life really. So I am very much as I, as I have said in the past, I am my father's daughter.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=187.0,250.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Oh, okay. And so did they participate outwardly in like social justice movements at the time? Or did they keep a lot of their, I guess, activities like under wraps because they, they felt they didn't want to be exposed as being part of the communist party?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=250.0,267.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: It was, it was a mixture. They certainly went to demonstrations. That was very much a part. Just, that was just living and breathing. \"Oh,\" you know, \"we're going to a demonstration about the Rosenbergs or about integration, civil rights.\" That was very much, that's, that's what they did. So, and, but they had to be careful about what, what they said. They would never let people know who were outside of the party, that they were members. And, but people in the building knew. We were getting The Daily Worker delivered. So how could they not know? You know, that was the communist party newspaper. But it's funny, people were, were concerned about that. And I had an experience as a kid, I came, I came back to the apartment to tell my mother that I had gone up to play with my friend, Diane and her mother had said to me, \"Do you love the American flag?\"\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=267.0,331.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And I replied, \"Why do you ask me that question?\" I mean, I was probably ten years old at the time. And she said, \"Well if you don't love the American flag, you can't play with Diane anymore.\" So I'm sure I said I did love the flag and I did tell my mother. So people knew, people knew about my parents in the building. But what's particularly amusing to me is when word got out that the landlord was going to raise the rent for people in the building, a number of the neighbors came to my father, you know, and said, \"Hey, Bob, what can we do about this?\" So it was, it was an interesting thing. Nobody ever said anything ugly, you know, to me or to my parents. And I had friends in the building and it seemed to be, you know, kind of a non-issue I think people just knew, and it was what it was.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=331.0,385.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Right. And so were your parents did, were they American, were they first generation? Where— did they live in Queens their life too?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=385.0,394.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yes. Well, no. I think part of— no, I think they lived, there was some times in Manhattan. My dad was born in London and when he was two years— his father had come from Russia. And when they were two years, when he was two years old, they, he moved to Canada and lived in Cobalt, which was this depressed mining town in Ontario, you know, with no— I mean in a shack with, with melting snow in the morning, you know, on their wood-burning stove to wash up that he would tell me stories about it. And then when he was about eleven, he moved to New York. My mother's parents were born in, in Poland, in Austria and, but she was born in the United States.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=394.0,443.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. So basically, it sounds like social activity and sort of the civil rights was ingrained when you growing up. Can you think of a particular instance, maybe when you were a child where you felt that you needed to be involved as an, as an agent of social change? Or did you witness any social injustice that made you want to act?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=443.0,474.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I, I— To think, there wasn't a moment when I felt I needed to do something. I, I just was raised to believe that you do something. You know, even, even becoming a teacher was, was part of that. You know, you need to do good in the world. And so when, when there was— I went to the March on Washington and, in fact that there's a woman, now a woman, but girl, I met her when we were each eleven. And I really should have talked with her more about, about our youth before I spoke with you about this, because she might remember more, but we went on a lot of marches and a lot of demonstrations together. I mean, that was just, her parents were also communists. So she was my dearest and closest friend growing up. And so we just, I mean, we just did it. It, it wasn't like a moment. You saw something, and if you could demonstrate, if you could say something is wrong, you, you do it. That's all. You speak out.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=474.0,545.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Oh, that's definitely really interesting. And so looking at your college career, I know we talked a little bit about this before, but how did you get involved at Queens College? Why did you enroll at the campus?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=545.0,561.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I didn't get into the school I had applied to, which I'm really grateful for actually, because I can't imagine a better—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=561.0,569.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: What school was that?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=569.0,571.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Cortland State Community Col— It was Cortland State Teacher's College.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=571.0,573.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=573.0,573.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And I, because my grades were so terrible in high school. I had a 79 average. And so I couldn't get in. And so I, I, the only alternative, really, was going to Queens College, which was a subway and a bus ride from the apartment. Excuse me. And but I, but I couldn't, because of my low average, I couldn't start the day school. So I went at night for two semesters until I got the B average and, and then matriculated to the day school. And that's how I wound up at Queens, but I was very happy to go there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=573.0,616.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And what year was this?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=616.0,619.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Excuse me. I'm fine. I don't know why my voice is sounding razory. Anyway, I'm sorry.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=619.0,626.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: It's okay. And what, what year did you start at Queens College in the day school?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=626.0,631.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Ah, 19— oh, in the day? 1961. Because at night, I began in 1960 and graduated in 1965.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=631.0,642.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. And like you said, you were working while at the night school.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=642.0,648.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah. I was working at a, at a five-and-ten. Langstons five-and-ten on 74th Street in Jackson Heights. And that was, that was what made me realize that I, I really needed to go to college. That I, that's not what I wanted to do for the rest of my life. So it was, it was a good ex— it actually probably wound up being a really good thing that I couldn't get into the day school. I think that was, that was a key thing for me. Even though my parents wanted me to go to college, my mother had not gone. My mother— maybe she went for a couple of years after she graduated high school and my dad went, he got a drafting diploma degree. And again, I think it was like a two-year program. And, but they wanted me to go to college. My sister went to Queens College and may— she's nine years older and majored in music. So there was a certain, you know— and it was, you know, it was in Queens where we were living. So it was, it was perfect. And there was no cost at the time, which was amazing.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=648.0,724.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah, definitely. So there was some expectation that you should go to Queens College, especially with your sister and it just being local.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=724.0,732.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Right. Right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=732.0,734.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And can you tell me a little bit about your campus experience? Not only was the campus, education free at that time at Queens College, but what else do you remember about campus life?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=734.0,748.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: The cafeteria. I met, I met a woman there who has remained my dearest friend all these years. So I've known her since I was nineteen. So that's 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 57, 58 years I've known her. So that's, I mean, that's— she's, she's, she's just a very dear friend and we, we have— that happened at Queens College. I met my first husband there. He was in the, in a philosophy class I took with a Dr. Malali. And, and then there was— I can't even remember now the name of it. There was some political group that I joined for a while. I don't remember us doing anything, but the key, with the link with the, with the Virginia project had to do with my minoring in education. I majored in history and minored in education and having Sidney Simon as the teacher. And then of course, meeting Dr. Rachel Weddington and that's, that was how I made the connection for the, for the project in Farmville.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=748.0,827.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: So, you said in addition to participating in the Student Help Project, the Virginia side of it, you were part of a political group on campus. Would that be Student Association?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=827.0,840.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't remember the name. I don't remember doing anything. It was, it was real early and it was— there was some guy there who I found attractive. I think just I, I, I just I don't re— I, I haven't thought about that group in fifty-five years, so I don't know. I don't know.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=840.0,865.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And just—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=865.0,865.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I ran track.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=865.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay, I was going to say—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=870.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: That was the other thing I did. I ran, I ran track for Queens College.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=870.0,875.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And so, just tell me a little bit more. How, how did Sid Simon and Rachel Weddington— they sound like they piqued your interest in the Student Help Project. How did you get involved?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=875.0,888.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Sidney Simon was, was really an amazing teacher. He had kids, we would go to his home. I remember eating, you know, eating there and talk, talking. I don't, I don't know what we talked about. I don't know what, but he was very involved with students in a very appropriate and positive way. And again, I think there were themes with, with Sidney. And, of course I only called him Dr. Simon, about, you know, about teaching and reaching students and make— again Tikkum olam, making a difference in the world. And then he and Rachel Weddington began talking about this project in Farmville and it was an, it was like, I just sort of slid into it. It was a natural thing to do. My parents never raised an objection at all about it. And of course there were issues before we went concerns about safety. That was a big thing.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=888.0,956.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And my parents— it was just, you know, it's almost like, \"Well, of course.\" I mean, there was just no question. My boyfriend, future first husband, he had talked with his parents about going and they forbade him. You know, his father said, \"You'll put your mother in the hospital if you go.\" You know, that kind of thing. So he, he was not going to go. And, but for me it was, it was a very, it was just— it was almost in a funny way, it was almost not even a decision. It was just, of course I'm doing it. I mean, there was no, there was no question. It was a decision, but it was like, no question. This is what I'm going to do.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=956.0,1000.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Right. Second nature. I mean, obviously like you say, to help out others. And so do you think your parents were proud that you went down there? I know I'm skipping ahead a little bit, but their reaction— it sounds like you made this decision very independently, but they did support you. So where they, where they proud?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1000.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I don't— that's a funny thing. I wish they were alive for me to ask them about it. I think they were pleased, you know. I just, I only felt supportive about it. The— another part that's important is growing up, we used to go to a camp in New Jersey called Midvale. It was an integrated camp. It was the only inter— probably the only integrated camp and certainly in New Jersey. And, and that was just, you know, that was just what we, what we did. I, I never thought anything of it. You know, I went there with my parents for years. We spent summers there and, and it was a communist-run operation, really. And it just— so it, this all fit, it all fit together. My going to Farmville was just part of, part of the way my parents lived and, and just the way I was brought up.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1020.0,1085.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And so, as a, as a teenager, did you have any objection to the fact that it was going to be six weeks long? You were giving up your summer, in a sense. Those feelings didn't really come across?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1085.0,1100.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Oh, no. No, no. It was, it was an adventure really. We had a lot of meetings beforehand. And again, there's very little of the specifics of that, that I remember, but I think there was, I recall a meeting where the parents were invited with Sidney Simon and Dr. Weddington. You know, talking about what was— you know, to, to make sure the parents were comfortable and weren't going to be concerned about our safety. And I learned recently from the, from talking with, with two other people, two other women who went and who were there that we even had made the decision before we went, apparently, that we were not going to be involved in any of the CORE, you know, Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee activities, demonstrations. That we were not going to do that and we were just going to focus on the kids mainly to make sure that we, that we stayed safe.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1100.0,1159.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I didn't remember that. I remember the issue of the demonstrations coming up while I was down there. And it was just, \"Yeah, we're, we're not going to do that.\" We were, of course, sympathetic and supportive, but we had a focus just on teaching the kid., But it was just— we had meetings and I assume my parents, I don't remember my mother being there. They may have felt they didn't have to go. I don't think I remember them being at any of the, any of the meetings with parents. Maybe there was only one parent meeting, but there was a lot of, you know, preparatory work before we went.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1159.0,1198.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And can you remember any of those like, those preparedness workshops beforehand? I know some others speak about fundraising, a Carnegie Hall concert, and having multiple orientations that Sid's house beforehand. Anything that comes to your mind?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1198.0,1215.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Sid's house makes sense. I don't remember the Carnegie Hall thing. I was probably there. I don't remember it. I, I did see in the, in the papers I gave to Queens College that I, there was a copy of a letter from someone who sent me money before I went to buy supplies. That was another thing that struck me about it when I looked at that. There was an article in the Herald Tribune, I think it was, about our going down there before we went. And it had my name in there, it could even have had a picture, I don't know, but it had my name and address, which of course in this day and age would never happen. And instead of— I got no hate mail and instead what I got was several people writing to me and sending me checks, like for twenty-five dollars, to tell me to buy supplies for the kids before we went down.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1215.0,1281.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: That's incredible. And, and these were people, these were just general readerships of the Tribune.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1281.0,1286.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nNew Speaker : Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1286.0,1286.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: They weren't neighbors that you knew?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1286.0,1289.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: No, no, nobody I knew. No one I knew. And, and it's funny when I saw that letter, I thought, \"Oh God, I hope I had enough sense to write back and say, 'Thank you. Yes, that's where the money's going to go.'\" I don't remember doing that. And oh, I hope I did. I just hope I did. I don't know if I knew about thank you notes in those days.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1289.0,1312.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Hopefully so. But I'm, I'm looking at the one [crosstalk]—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1312.0,1316.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Hopefully.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1316.0,1316.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: It's very incredible, not only that donation, but some others that you received for the same reason. To help you, help your work in Virginia, so—.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1316.0,1327.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Right, to buy supplies for the kids. Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1327.0,1330.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. And what, what did you know about Farmville before going down there, in terms of the schools had been closed at that point for four years. Were you aware of that? Or did you \n[inaudible] going to help kids?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1330.0,1346.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: No, no, no, no. That we knew. We knew that the clo— the school had been closed. That rather than integrate, they had just shut the school down and that there was enough money to set up private schools for the white kids, but the Black kids were basically, you know, out of luck. So those that had relatives in, in other parts of the country and had money to have them travel and go there, left Farmville and went to school where, you know, when they lived with other relatives. But the kids who stayed in Farmville who couldn't leave, they had no schooling. There was nothing set up. Nothing, nothing had been done. I don't know what happened, you know, like to the Black teachers, that, that would be interesting to know what they did. I don't think they did anything. That they set up [crosstalk]. Yeah. I don't remember, I don't remember meeting with them, meeting with any of the teachers that the kids had. I don't, I have no idea.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1346.0,1410.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Hm, okay. Yeah. I'm not too sure. But, but yeah, that would definitely be interesting. I'm just thinking of some other, some other questions that come to mind. Did you, have you, did you ever travel outside of New York before Virginia? Did you have any, like, fears about going down to the South? Anything like that?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1410.0,1433.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I went to New Jersey.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1433.0,1438.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: To the camp, right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1438.0,1438.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah. I had— I'm trying to remember if, I don't remember now if this was before, this is probably after, after Farmville, I went on a, on a, kind of a mini Freedom Ride with, you know, trying to integrate lunch counters in Virginia or Maryland. I, I don't remember. I wasn't afraid. I had no idea what Farmville was going to look like, but it was more like an exciting, and it was an adventure.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1438.0,1473.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And do you, do you feel that you shared this like excitement with others, other kids, other students in the cohort?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1473.0,1481.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah, I think so. I would not have remembered how I got down there except for a publicity photo that was taken by Queens College at the time. And it's a wonderful picture that's in there, I'm sure you can see it of— I was with Lenny Hausman. He was driving a convertible that I think he borrowed from his sister. So it was Lenny Hausman, and me and my roommate who was, the woman who was going to be my roommate, Carolyn Hubbard. And I always thought it was Mike Wenger, but it was Stan Shaw. He was the, he was the other person. So there was the four of us driving down and we were waving and smiling and off we went to Farmville.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1481.0,1528.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: I, I didn't realize that you guys all drove down there. It didn't occur to me to even think about that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1528.0,1534.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Apparently that's what we did. I have no, again, I have no memory of that. And I don't know, again, if we stopped to eat and if it was an issue because Carolyn is Black and I don't know if that would have affected where we stopped. I have no, no memory of it. If you've got any of the other three, who are, who are participating in this, you should ask them about it. They may have better memories of it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1534.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Sure. I'm actually talking to Lenny later today, so I I'll definitely throw that question in there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1560.0,1565.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah. Say hello to him for me please.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1565.0,1569.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Will do. So then when you get to Farmville, how did the reality of Prince Edward County compare to, to what you were feeling? What you, what you expected to see?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1569.0,1584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I, I just remember being happy there. That it was, it was, it was, it was basically a really positive experience. And this is the problem that I, I had emailed you about. I have so few memories of specifics, but what I have are feelings, you know, just a sense, I was comfortable there. I, I felt at home in a way, even though it wasn't, you know, it wasn't the city to put it mildly. We were, we were, we were staying with a woman who— and I don't remember any, you know, con— I had contact with her, of course. We were living in her home, Carolyn and I. I think Carolyn and I were sharing a bedroom, but I'm not sure. And it just I— you know, we had our routines, everything. Part of it, again, it's Simon and Weddington. It was so well organized. And of course the contact they had ahead of time, probably, with the Reverend Griffin.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1584.0,1656.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1656.0,1657.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: That really, that really, you know, set it up. I was, I was just, I didn't have— in a sense, I didn't have any decisions to make. It was all really set up. It was perfectly set up for us and they just did an extraordinary job.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1657.0,1677.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. And I know Sid wasn't able to go down to Virginia. I don't, I don't exactly remember the reason why, but Rachel Weddington was down there, as you, as you say. Any instances that you can remember where you received, say, her guidance? Or maybe she had a different perspective on on the reality of Farmville that you might've not had that you shared with her?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1677.0,1703.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Victoria, I do not remember her being there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1703.0,1707.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1707.0,1709.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: That's, that is the difficulty with my, my memory and, and I'm sure I had contact with her. I'm sure she was helpful. She— I adored her. She was, she was just an extraordinary and remarkable person and I just— I invited her to my wedding. I mean, I just, but I don't, I don't remember. I don't remember her being there. Sorry.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1709.0,1738.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. But also to say that, she had an impact on your life no matter what.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1738.0,1742.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1742.0,1746.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. So just a little bit more about the project itself when you were down in Prince Edward County, do you remember feeling prepared? Both like from a personal perspective on like social relations and from the perspective that you were going to teach these, these children and you, and you, you know, were basically new into the education program at Queens. How, how does it—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1746.0,1772.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I was only, I was a sophomore. I looked, I looked it up to try and see when. I had just finished my sophomore year. I, I'm astounded that I taught. I, I had my guitar with me, so I did singing with the kids. But apparently from, from the letter, there is a copy of a letter that I wrote to my parents after I had been down there, maybe, you know, like for a week or two. And so I apparently was really teaching, doing something. Math, English— I don't know, I don't remember. I know I played guitar and I sang with them too, but I, I don't remember the specifics of the teaching.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1772.0,1822.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: The one thing, and I, and I don't know if you're going to ask about this, but I, I wanted to talk about it because it still remains clear in my mind, the only time I was afraid down there. And that was— and I'm sure everyone, and everyone remembered it and it affected everybody who was there. We were going to, I think it was like a Dairy Queen one night. And we, you know, we, we had, I guess we had several cars down there. So we, a bunch of us, we were in a couple of, maybe two or three cars and we drove to the Dairy Queen. I, I don't, we certainly didn't have any time to buy ice cream until a couple of carloads of white boys showed up and they must have said something or right away, we knew they, they were, they were going to be trouble. And we immediately got back into our cars and drove, and we each were taken back to the home we were stayed, we stayed in. And Carolyn and I, I'm pretty sure Carolyn was with us, too.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1822.0,1892.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And we were dropped off at, at the house that we were staying in. And I remember I ran up the stairs and I actually got under the bed in the bedroom. I was, I mean, to be as such an infantile thing to do, but I was, I was really scared. And then I heard knocking at the door and I came out, and I remember standing at the top of the stairs and it was a straight shot to the front door and the front door had, had glass on the top and, and a lace curtain. So I could see through it. And I saw that there were two large Black men standing there, and I felt this incredible wave, physical wave of relief going through my body. And I went downstairs and I opened the door and they were tall, large men. It turned out they were the men who ran the funeral parlor for, for for the Black community.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1892.0,1959.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And they just were checking. They wanted to know, they had heard what happened and they wanted to make sure we were okay. And that incident stayed with me, it has stayed with me for the rest of my life. Because I really felt what it means to live with people where you, where you begin to see them as these are the people I'm comfortable with. These are the people I'm safe with. And when I got back to New York, it took me a couple of weeks to begin to feel comfortable with white people. It just, it was, it was— and that, that experience has just stayed with me and made me so aware of how important it is that schools are integrated. You know, that, that, that white kids can be with Black kids and Black with white, because surely if the Black community is going to have the same problem and now of course, understandably so, that whites are a danger, which apparently some certainly are. But it just, it just stayed with me.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=1959.0,2034.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And even later on in, in my work, when I came down here to Knoxville, which was, it's very, it's a very white place. Dealing with, with, with defendants who are white and finally having a Black defendant, it was like old home week for me. I felt the comfort level with, with this defendant that I had with, with anyone. But I'm getting ahead of myself, but it's, but it's something, it just is something about the Farmville experience that stayed with me. You know, forty years later, I'm still conscious of, of the effects of it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2034.0,2073.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. And you're not, you're not getting ahead, ahead of yourself at all. It's striking that you bring this up because in conversations with Mike and Stan, they also talk about Dairy cre— Dairy Queen, and saying that that is when they felt, and it sounds like you're hinting at this too, very immeshed in the Black community, as, almost as though you didn't quite see yourself as white at that time. And my question—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2073.0,2101.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I didn't see them as different. I, I knew I was white, but I didn't see them as different. I was just— this was the community I was a part of. I was a white person, but I was a part of this community. These were my people. I mean, it just— when we, we would go to church every Sunday, that was another thing again, that has stayed with me. The, the sermons that, that Reverend Griffin, gave were, were just inspiring. And the music, oh my goodness! And we'd stand and we'd clap and sing and we'd sing civil rights songs, you know, like \"Ain't gonna let nobody turn me around.\" I mean, just, it was, it was, it was just terrific. And I remembered thinking, growing up as an atheist, which I, I remain, I remember thinking if there is a God, he sure is here. It was, it was those, those experiences in that church were we're, we're just, we're thrilling, absolutely thrilling. And that, that's another, I was— and again, this was, even as a Jew in that, that, you know, Afro-Methodist Episcopal church it just, I belonged there. I didn't feel like an outsider in the church and I'm sure part of it, too, was the people there, you know, made us a part of their community.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2101.0,2196.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: So they, excuse me, they welcomed you to some degree. You weren't necessarily outsiders when you arrived, arrived in Farmville, is that—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2196.0,2208.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I never felt that way. I never felt that way. I think the parents really appreciated us. They must have. You know, the kids came. We had, you know, we had classrooms filled with kids. And, and, and it was a place— I mean, those two, you know, those two people from the funeral, those two men from the funeral home showing up to check on us and people in the community putting us up in their home. I mean, it just, I, I felt very welcome. There was never a moment when I didn't feel welcome, welcomed by the Black community. Never.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2208.0,2250.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And thinking about your experience living in New York, before obviously you head down there. And you touched upon this a little bit in something you said before, but in New York did you feel that that was a distinction, between Black and white community? Did you feel integrated in the same way up here? Living up here?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2250.0,2274.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: No, no. Jackson Heights was white. Queens College was white for the, you know, there were individual Black people there I'm sure, but it was— I lived in a white world. And that was the shock when I— except where we went to, you know, when I was growing up in Midvale, because Blacks were very much a part of that community. But, but it was again predominantly white with the Black minority. And my high school was predominantly white, so it was never—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2274.0,2313.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Where did you go to high school?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2313.0,2313.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Bryant High School, William Cullen Bryant High School.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2313.0,2317.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2317.0,2318.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And when I student taught, I taught at Andrew Jackson High School. And that, that was— those classes again, I'm trying to think. I think they were mainly white. Also my student teaching, that was, that was a pitiful experience because I was very anxious about teaching and the teacher I was assigned to, Mr. Tropp— Tropsky, who I think changed his name to Mr. Trop or something, he did, he didn't make me teach and he should have. And I was just so afraid, I didn't want to. So I only taught the class maybe two times when my advisor from Queens College was coming and that's when I taught.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2318.0,2369.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And that's afterwards—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2369.0,2372.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And that was after, that was after Farmville.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2372.0,2377.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2377.0,2377.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah. But then, then I taught in New York for three years at at Long Island City High School. And I had Black— that was a very, very mixed school. Jewish kids, kind of middle-class kids, Irish, Italian, Greek immigrant kids, and Black kids from the projects. And that was, that was a terrific experience. At the time, I thought the principal was a fascist. However, in retrospect, it turned out, he ran an incredibly tight ship and he made it possible for us to teach. I never, ever, ever had a problem in that school with this whole incredible mixture of kids. And well, that's later on in my life, but, but I really, I loved the teaching. Then I really, by then I was able to teach. I really could teach then.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2377.0,2437.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. I definitely want to come back to that, but I do have some last questions about Prince Edward County.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2437.0,2444.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah, sure.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2444.0,2444.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: I'm looking at your letter and related to what you were saying, that the students really wanted to learn. You write that to your parents. And can you tell me about the reactions, more about their reactions coming into the classroom and what was your how did, how did you see them? Where you were— what did you feel when you saw these students were excited to learn after being denied education?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2444.0,2475.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Well, I'm, I, I, must've been very happy and it was interesting reading the letter, you know, cause it just— I do, again, it's more like feelings. I can't point to specific examples. But I, I don't remember ever having a problem with the kids in Farmville. I mean, they wanted to learn, they paid attention, they were excited. They smiled, they, they talked to me, you know, after class. It just— they, they were thrilled that we were there, they really were. And of course, you know, they felt, they felt wanted and appreciated, liked. You know, it went both ways. We appreciated them, they appreciated us. It was, it was both things happening.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2475.0,2523.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And did you feel that you prepared them enough to, for them to start school that fall? Or was it just more social interactions that you were having with them?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2523.0,2536.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I don't know. I can't imagine that I prepared them for school. I mean, they, I mean, they lost four years, so I don't, I mean, that's— I don't know what happened to them, you know, in terms of what they, how they were able to catch up or. I mean, how do you catch up four years? At that, you know, at that age? I don't, I don't know. I imagine some could and some couldn't. We also— real, real teachers came down too, from the American Federation of Teachers in New York. They sent down teachers. I had no, and gosh, I'd like to know how, how the others reacted. I vaguely remember a kind of, you know, like \"what are they doing here?\" Competition with them. Have you heard that from anyone at all? Or—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2536.0,2600.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: It would be great to have you all speak to each other, but I will say that in an interview that Mike and Stan did with Annie in July, he kind of hints at that too. He said, you know, we looked at the UFT— I don't, I don't recall if he says competition per se, but he does, he does say that there was, there was a divide between the Queens College students and the UFT teachers, so.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2600.0,2626.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: We didn't— and it's, it's crazy because they could have helped us and we of course could have helped them. I mean, it was— but it was two very separate operations. And my guess is they may have done a better job that I did in terms of teaching the kids. But at the same time, those kids also really needed, you know, a sense of feeling good about themselves and not so much the things they don't know, but to feel, to feel good as people. They really, they really needed that. Let me, let me— another thing [crosstalk]. I'm sorry, go ahead.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2626.0,2664.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: No, you can go.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2664.0,2665.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Oh. Just another thing came to mind that I want, that I would just want to mention. I got contacted by Look Magazine while I was down there. And they sent a photographer and a reporter down who— and cause Look Magazine was going to do a story on us in Farmville. And they picked one person to follow around, to, to you know, to use as the center of the story and it was me. And, and I— and so that was fun. That was fun for me. And the sad, the sad, sad part of it was when I got back to New York, they never ran the story. And I went to Look to get to talk with them about it and to get the photographs that were taken. Clearly they were not just of me, they were all, you know, like hundreds of photographs of the kids, of me, the other teachers, the community, I mean all kinds of things. And I was told that they had destroyed all of them because they weren't running the story. And that's, that just is, that's heartbreaking. To think that we could have had, we could have had that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2665.0,2746.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: To know it's gone, basically. And that—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2746.0,2752.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2752.0,2752.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And to not even run the story afterwards of all the work that you guys had been doing, but not only— I'm sure, and you know I'm assuming at this point, but to publicize the fact that these New York kids were down in Virginia helping out, probably would have been a big deal. It would have been a big media story.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2752.0,2774.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah. Right. And brought attention to the fact that, you know, Virginia closed down the school. You know, and kids are without school for four years. I mean, I think, I think yeah, people really would have been outraged and most people didn't know anything about it. So it, it wou— I, and I don't, and I don't know why, how the decision was made. I don't remember asking about it. I didn't know enough to ask or what. I don't know why they didn't run, run the story, which, and it's really, that's really too bad. And then, of course, and it wasn't that long afterwards when I went there with, again, the man who was to be my first husband and, and then told that they were all destroyed. I mean, that's really— you know, \"Well, if we don't run a story, you know, we get rid of the pictures.\" And it's, that's really, that's a shame.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2774.0,2831.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: It is. And I can't remember off the top of my head why they didn't run the story. But I do know that Stan Shaw spoke about this a little in an interview we did with him last week. So I could always, I could always ask again and let you know. Or you could, you know, I can—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2831.0,2851.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah, if somebody knows that would, I I'd really, I'd really like to know how that decision was made just out of curiosity. But, but what a loss, those photographs. I mean, the photographs of me aside, really. It just, I mean, it, it, it, it's just really too bad. It's really too bad. The guy who— they were very nice, the, the the guy who was writing the article and the photographer. I enjoyed spending some time with them. And they, they just, they, they were really very nice. But he did ask me if I could change my hairdo. It was in the days when we wore fake hair. I always called it my \"puchkie,\" I don't know why. It had a comb. I'm shaping it with my hand as I'm speaking to you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2851.0,2911.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: It was like a little mound of hair with a comb, and I would stick it in the top of my head and then comb my hair over it to give myself the look of having more hair cause at the time, I didn't have much, I didn't have thick, luxurious hair. And so the shape, I think from the side— from the front, it looked good. But I think from the side, it looked a little peculiar, which I didn't care about cause I never saw myself from the side. So he, I think he wanted me— you know, they're taking pictures and they're getting some side views. So I think he— that's my guess. And I think he didn't like this thing sticking out of my head. And I just, I refused to— I was very sensitive about it. So I, I refused to change, to change the hairstyle. I don't think that's the reason why they didn't run the article though.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2911.0,2973.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: To elaborate a little bit more, some last questions about Prince Edward County. You touched on it earlier in terms of Rachel Weddington kind of quashed, even before you guys got there, any idea of you participating in outside demonstrations. To what extent did you want to join them when, when you saw that they were happening? Like SNCC, I believe, was down there at the same time.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=2973.0,3003.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I learned from reading comments that other, other people made in some of the, maybe some of the emailing back and forth that I'd had with, with Debbie and and Phyllis that there was a meeting in April before we went down. That Lenny Hausman was a part of and the Reverend and probably Rachel and maybe Sid Simon, I don't know. You know, again, planning discussion about how this was going to work and that was when the decision was made that we were not going to participate. And I just remember being sympathetic to the, you know, to what the SNCC people were doing, the Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee and all of that. But knowing that we really need to just focus on the teaching. That we don't want, we don't want to do the two things. That that would be a mistake. And it would also, I think it would also put us more in danger, really, if we did that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3003.0,3069.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Can you elaborate a little more what kind of danger do you feel you would have been put in if you were participating?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3069.0,3077.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: If the white community saw us as not just staying where we belonged, you know, in the Black community and teaching Black kids, but we're now trying to do some kind of change in their world, integrating their lunch counters and, and everything else, that they would then see us as threats. And, and we would, we would, it, it would have been prob— really problematic. The last thing I would need is a carload of white boys showing up at our house.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3077.0,3112.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Of course. It sounds like it would have been a step too far.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3112.0,3116.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For the white, you know. We, we— other than the, other than that Dairy Queen incident, I don't, I don't know of any other time when anybody felt any fear from the white community. So what— we, we, we made the correct decision cause our focus really needed to be teaching those kids, being with those kids, being in that community, period.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3116.0,3147.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Right. And to lead into, to add into that conversation, how about the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom? That was on the way back from Prince Edward County, some of you stopped there on August 28th. What do you remember about that if you attended?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3147.0,3168.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I left Farmville a couple of days before everybody else. And I regret this, I regret doing that. And I left it because I wanted to spend time with my boyfriend in New York.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3168.0,3188.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: The one who hadn't gone down to Prince Edward County?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3188.0,3191.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Right. And I'm really— I left without my parents knowing, without his parents knowing. So we had time alone for a couple of days. And I'm sorry, I did that. I'm sorry that I didn't stay, didn't stay and just do the whole thing with everybody.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3191.0,3214.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And you're saying that you feel regretful. Did you regret like— how, how am I asking this. When everybody sort of in your Virginia cohort came back and you heard about their experiences at the March on Washington, where you were regretful then, or are you saying that you're regretful, you know, now that you've had these years to reflect?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3214.0,3237.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I'm regretful now.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3237.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3240.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Cause I don't, I don't remember— I, I'm sure we got together. I don't remember talking about, you know, meetings about it afterwards and processing. I'm sure we did. And I, and I don't, I just don't remember us doing that. And I'm just, I'm just sorry though cause someone else also, again, in, in contact with, mainly with Debbie and Phyllis, talking about some dinner that they had the last night and all of that. I'm just, sorry. I was not a part of that and, and it, but it's in retrospect. It's in learning about it, you know, years later.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3240.0,3278.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. And do you remember when you left, then? Like around what day did you leave early?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3278.0,3285.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah, it would be like, whatever the last day was, it would be like two or three days. Maybe like three days before the end. Whatever that was.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3285.0,3297.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: That last week of August. Around there, the second to last week of August.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3297.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah. Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3300.0,3302.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. And so when you returned to New York at the end of the summer after having this experience, did anything change in the way you viewed society? I know we spoke a little bit about that. But more specifically, were you more attuned to demonstrations of racism and injustice in New York when you got back?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3302.0,3326.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I think I was going to them just as much before as after. The main difference I remember was the first couple of weeks back of, of just feeling a distance from white people. That's what I remember. And again, it's at up so much at an emotional level, you know. That, that, that I remember. But it, but it didn't— I don't, I don't think it's, I don't think I, I then was involved with some, with some Freedom Rides, with a Freedom Ride.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3326.0,3363.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Again, I think that was after, after Farmville and it was, you know, getting, getting on— I guess we were in cars going down Highway 1 and, and trying to integrate lunch counters. That's, and that's all that really, that I, that I remember about that. But I was always involved in demonstrations and, and, and doing that. And went to— gosh, and I really need to, should have asked my friend Marie who was another, she was my close friend then because of her communist parents, that we went to a lot of demonstrations together. And I think we went, we went to the mar— March on Washington, like the main March on Washington. And somewhere in this house, I have a small little bit of grass that Harry, Harry Belafonte walked on.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3363.0,3419.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: So I remember that about the March. I also remember at the end of a march, and we may have been to more than one, I remember walking up on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and we, everybody started to sing \"We Shall Overcome.\" And I start to hear this voice, like an angel and I turn, and it was Joan Baez standing there and singing with, you know, this incredible melodious, just astoundingly beautiful voice. And powerful, powerful voice. And that, that stayed in my mind, that I remember. And the grass Harry Belafonte walked on.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3419.0,3467.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: That was at a subsequent march the following summer?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3467.0,3469.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't know, but I think it was called like the March on Washington.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3469.0,3479.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Right. Okay. So to move a little past Virginia, in regards to the Jamaica Student Help Project, were you active in any way?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3479.0,3495.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Apparently I was. And the only reason I know I was is because there's that picture that I sent into Queens College of my helping kids make a garden in Jamaica. And other than that, I, and I don't remember doing that and I have no memory of being involved in that project and I'm sure I was.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3495.0,3521.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. And that, and that image is just a cutout, a clipping from a newspaper on June 24, 1963.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3521.0,3527.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yes, yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3527.0,3530.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. That is in the Special Collection at Queens College.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3530.0,3532.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3532.0,3534.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. Just to reference that. Okay. So, to talk a little bit more about this experience and how it affected you in your life do you— wait, hold on, let me just ask the right question. How were you personally changed? Not only the minute you got back, but how did it inform your future personally or professionally? Anything that really stuck with you that changed who you were as a person?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3534.0,3572.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: You know, it's funny, I, I think of that experience as a gift. And it just, it was— it's funny because I, I remember so little of the specifics of it, but at the same time, it just, it was, it was important because it really, it made a difference for me doing something like that can make a difference in other people's lives. And I think that's really what stayed with me and coupled with, you know, the way I was raised, it, it absolutely shaped the, it was part of the shaping of the rest of my life and the things that I did and the career I had. You know, it's funny [crosstalk]—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3572.0,3623.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah, sorry.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3623.0,3623.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I, I remember I there was a woman, and I'll get to the specifics of what I did but I, I I remember going, being invited to a luncheon by a woman I worked with to meet the woman, one of the— like a woman who was a higher, high-up echelon in, in Estee Lauder, I believe it was. And, and it was interesting because, you know, she was, she was an executive in a company at a time when women were not executives. And so that's why this friend wanted me to meet her.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3623.0,3661.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: But what I remember coming away with, from, from the luncheon with her, and I can see it in my head sitting at the table, and she wore this hat with a lipstick on the hat, that I'm so glad I don't, I don't have that as a life. To have a life where what you're doing is focusing on makeup. And I mean, I wear makeup. I'm not, I don't have a problem with makeup. Okay. But at the same time, I just, I, I was raised to do something meaningful with my life. I was raised to try and make a difference. And, and on that road, the experience in Farmville was a perfect example of it. That's, that's the kind of, that's what I needed to do with my life. I needed to make a difference.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3661.0,3710.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah, \n[inaudible] striking. It sounds, you know, as I'm hearing you say this, the difference between a life of material culture, sort of like corporate, that's the first word that comes to mind, how that differs between where you, where you saw your place in the world and, and really being active and taking a more social and realistic look at what was going around, going on around you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3710.0,3737.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Right. Right. Right. And making money was not, was a non-issue. My dad's comment, frequent comment was, you know, \"Well, it's only money.\" I mean, and he meant that. That was— money was irrelevant to him. You know, what was important was, again, was, was tikkun olam. He never would have— I doubt my dad knew the phrase tikkum olam and I only learned it when I came down to Knoxville and joined the synagogue. But it just, you know, my— that was, that was the way my parents felt, you know, we should live our lives. And my sister, you know, the same way she became a music teacher and she did wonderful, wonderful things for kids. I mean, and again, we're, you know, we are our parents daughters, we really are.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3737.0,3787.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3787.0,3788.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: So.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3788.0,3790.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. So tell me more about, where did—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3790.0,3794.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: My life?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3794.0,3794.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Where did Queens College take you? Your student teaching? What was your career after that?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3794.0,3802.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Okay. I got married to Jeffrey first, the first, the first husband. We went to India, he got a Fulbright, so we went to India for a year and, and then traveled. Thailand, Cambodia, Hong Kong, Japan. I mean, it was a terrific experience. And then when I came home, I began teaching in New York. I taught history at Long Island City High School and it was, it was a terrific experience. I really en— I just, I loved it. I really loved it. I had a lot of fun with the lesson plans and and it was, it was great. And then he got a, husband got a job in DC and we moved and now what am I going to do? So I went back, I went to Catholic University and I got a master's degree in psychology, which prepares you for nothing, by the way.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3802.0,3862.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: You know, it's not an MS. It's not an MSW, where you really are prepared, you know, to work and to do therapy. And the masters, the MA in psychology was, you know, null. But I, I then learned about a job at the federal probation office. I had never heard of probation, I didn't know anything about it. But there was a guy who worked with my husband and he said there was an opening and that they realized they really needed to hire women. It was 1972, I think. And I went for the interview and I remember, you know, I have a master's degree in psychology and they were very impressed with that. And the guy who interviewed me, who was the deputy chief, I think he thought that my experience teaching in a New York high school prepared me for criminal justice work, which it didn't. And and so I got hired as a federal probation officer and, and it turned out to be an, an extraordinary career for me.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3862.0,3927.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I was a federal P.O. In D.C. for five years, and then I was promoted to supervisor. I was only the fifth woman in the country to be made a supervisor. I mean, that's how male that— and this is federal. That's how male the, that is. And so every, every, you know, every district has, has there's, I don't know, like 150 probation offices or something. And so as, as, as sup— as a supervisor, I was only the fifth. And I worked there for, I worked as a supervisor for six years, and then I transferred to the Administrative Office of the Courts and did work with the Witness Security Program for two years. But it was— they put me in an office without a window and I really, I couldn't stand it. And I really loved the \"Wit-Sec\" work, but at the same time, they wanted me to do other things. And it's such a bureaucracy.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3927.0,3994.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And I, I just, it doesn't fit. That kind of thing doesn't fit with me. And by then I had gotten divorced and remarried to my second and final husband, who I've been married to for over forty-three years now. And he, and I mention this because it's important. I, my thoughts were that I would just try and get a probation officer job somewhere like up in Vermont. My husband, Jim, I diagnosed him later, he has, he needs sunshine. And so there was no way on earth he was going to Vermont. And instead he said, \"Why do you want to work for—\" and he mentioned, you know, someone who had been my deputy chief in D.C., who was an idiot. And he said, \"Why do you want to work for the Arnold Hunters of the world?\" He said, \"Why don't you apply for a chief's job somewhere?\"\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=3994.0,4051.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And this— as a woman growing up when I grew up, when I grew up, this is an unheard of thing. It's like, I can't be achieved. Are you kidding? You know, I just, I— there were no, when I was in college, the Ivy league schools were all male. And the message to me was, women, girls were never smart enough. We weren't smart enough. That's why the Ivy league schools were male, Harvard, Yale, Princeton. Women weren't smart enough to get those schools. And, and the same thing with being a chief that just, you know, that's what men did. I can't do that. And Jim really pushed me and encouraged me to apply. And I looked around and they had an opening in East Tennessee. And I, I remember the day I sent my resume off. I just, I, something switched in me and I thought, you know, maybe, maybe I could do this.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4051.0,4126.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And I, I got an interview. We drove down to to Chattanooga. And I was interviewed by three white male Republican judges who had absolutely no idea who I was. This— they didn't know I was Jewish. They could tell from the resume that I was from New York originally. They certainly didn't know I was a Democrat, a liberal Democrat, the daughter of communists. They had no idea, but I had terrific references from judges that I worked with at the courthouse in D.C., and also from a chief probation officer in middle Tennessee, who I worked with while I was doing the Witness Security stuff. And they had a chief, the chief judge down here, Tom Hall, who has since passed. He was comfortable with women in a, in an appropriate and wonderful way. And he he wanted to hire me. And so they hired me and I was appointed Chief U.S. Probation Officer for the Eastern District of Tennessee.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4126.0,4198.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And I brought merit hiring and promoting to this district. They just had never done that before. It was all, you know, \"Hey, Hey Tom, my boy needs a job.\" You know, \"make them a probation officer.\" I mean, that's how it was done. And, and I, I hired, you know, qualified Hispanics and Blacks and women. And, and the, and the court really began to appreciate it because the work was better. And and so it was I, that's, you know, that's what I, that's what I did. So I was Chief for almost fifteen years. And when I retired, the chief judge, we had, you know, they have a party and the chief judge did say that hiring me was the best decision the court ever made. And that made me feel great.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4198.0,4252.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And then when I retired, I was only fifty-seven, because you're supposed to retire, you know, that's how it works with, with law enforcement. I'm considered a law enforcement agent. And but I then wanted to keep working. And I then began working with a guy as a mitigation specialist in death penalty cases. So I did that for thirteen years. And the focus was, I was hired by criminal defense attorneys to try and, you know, to do a complete background investigation on a defendant where the government wants to kill them and to try and find reasons why, if we go to trial, a jury might vote for life rather than death.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4252.0,4302.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: That's [crosstalk]—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4302.0,4303.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: It was— huh?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4303.0,4305.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: I was going to say, this is an amazing track record from, from where you started to where you end up in, in, career-wise.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4305.0,4314.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and thank God for the women's movement. I mean, that really— I mean it, this, my life would not have happened if it weren't for the women's movement. That first step about getting hired as a federal probation officer in D.C. would never have happened. They were feeling, \"Oh, you know, we have to hire a woman.\" And, and it would not, would not have happened. And so I've, I feel incredible. I mean, I just feel so fortunate to have had the career that I've had and it's and, and I hope, you know, I hope I've made a difference in some ways, you know. I mean, it was, it's just, it's really been, it's been really interesting. And then, and then I, when I retired for the first four or five years, I just, I didn't do anything. And I got bored and realized I have to begin, you know, doing something with volunteer work.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4314.0,4381.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: So I've been volunteering at the Smokey Mountain Raptor Center, dealing with with birds, with raptors, with owls and hawks. And it's just, and that's been terrific. I really, I really— it's very relaxing and lovely, and I don't have to think about the politics. I don't think about, you know, when I'm sitting there with a screech owl, an adorable, sweet little screech owl, I I don't think about Trump. So it's very, it's just very nice. And the, the way that the raptor center works is we take injured animals, injured raptors, and if they can be repaired and released, we do that. If they're not going to be able to survive in the wild, we then keep them as education birds. To teach children, you know, about how to, you know, how to do things differently so that raptors aren't, aren't killed. Like don't throw food out of your car because that attracts moles and voles, and then the raptors come and then they get hit by cars. So that's an example of it. So, so that's it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4381.0,4453.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. I just want— one, two last thoughts because it's absolutely astounding, like I said, where you, where you've gone with your career, but—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4453.0,4465.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Let me add one other quick thing. When I was appointed chief, I was only the second woman in the entire country to be made chief. Just want to, want to mention that, too.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4465.0,4477.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4477.0,4478.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I mean, that's how backwards things were. Okay. Now go ahead, please. I interrupted.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4478.0,4484.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. No, I was going to say, like, do you, do you have any reflections about any professional skills that maybe, or personal, or activist skills you developed in in Prince Edward County, if, if you saw them really shine through in your career later on? Anything, anything specific you could point to?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4484.0,4510.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Just wha— what, one of the things, I think we talked about this a little earlier. What— in D.C., all the defendants I dealt with almost, all were, Black. Because it's D.C. and D.C. is a Black, you know, predominantly Black city. When I moved down here, I, it's almost all the defendants are white, you know. They're, they're rednecks from hollers. And I had been, I as, even as a supervisor and as a chief, I always took a case. I would write a pre-sentence report. I would do a pre-trial report. I always wanted to keep doing the work that my officers did, because I thought that as a chief, you, you convey a kind of disdain for the work if you don't do it. It's almost like now that you're promoted, if you're a supervisor, you're too good now to do the work. The scutwork as one of my offices called it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4510.0,4577.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: That's the message that you're giving. So I always did the same work that the people I was supervising were doing. So when I came down here as chief, I, I did a you know a pre-trial report and it turned out the defendant that I had was Black. And it was just, I remembered thinking about Prince— about Farmville at the time. Because the guy comes, you know, comes into the office and to me, the thought I had was it's like old home week. I just, I had a comfort level with this Black defendant that I had not had with any of the white defendants I had been dealing with here. Because they were kind of alien, they were like alien beings to me, these white, Southern Tennessee boys. And here, this Black guy who just, he was like dealing with someone in D.C.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4577.0,4634.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: It just, it was, I had a certain comfort level with him that I had, not that I had not had with the white defendants. And so when I was dealing with, when I was doing my death penalty work and had Black defendants for that, cause I had both Black and white with the death penalty stuff, again, there were Black defendants I just had a real kind of comfort and rapport with in a way that I didn't have with, with with a number of the white defendants. It was just a different kind of connection with them.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4634.0,4671.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: That, that's really very interesting because it sounds to me it's this, I don't want to call it a culture, but this mindset of equality and to use your word comfort that, you know, you had in Prince Edward County and it's shown up in your, in your career later on.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4671.0,4694.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4694.0,4695.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4695.0,4696.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yeah. I just, and, and I, you know, as I'm talking to you, I'm thinking of defendants. I had a guy who had murdered you know, two drug dealers and he— but he was, and he was originally from New York and had come down here to do a, you know, to do his drug stuff. And it, again, again, I use that phrase, but it was like old home week. So it was just like, \"Hey, how you doing?\" And it was just, I mean, you know, he's a homeboy. And I just, I was, I was very comfortable with him in a way I'm not with these with, with the redneck, Tennessean men. It's just, it's not, it's just not the same thing. Or some Black defendant— I remember one of the Black defendants from Memphis, again in a bank robbery, and it was a federal murder case.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4696.0,4748.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: And we were, you know, I'm working with him. He, he, he didn't go to trial. He took a plea, but I remember just kidding around with him and showing him how he walked and that, you know, he does that kind of tough guy, Black walk, that sort of rolling thing. You know it when you see it and I showed him, this is how you walk. I said, \"You can't walk like that into, into the courtroom.\" You know, \"Let me see you, let's try— and you got to walk like I'm showing you how to walk.\" And we were laughing and just kind of kidding around about it. And it was just, again, a certain comfort level with him that I really didn't have with, with almost all the white defendants. And, and it's like a straight line from that, from that Farmville experience. It really, it really is. And I, and it's funny, I've not realized it until I'm talking to you about it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4748.0,4802.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: No, that's so great that you can reflect and just add on to some of these experiences and how they've played throughout your life. And we're coming to the close, the last question I want to ask you, and it might sound redundant, but just to tie some things together. How did the social— the Student Help Project experience influenced your outlook in race relations or social, social change throughout, throughout, yeah, throughout all of your life?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4802.0,4841.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Well, apparently it has in more ways than one, you know. I mean, it just it's, it's just this special thing that happened and it really, it really has, it really has made me conscious of how, gosh, how, how alien people feel from each other when, when they, when they don't, you know, when they don't experience day-to-day things with each other. That's really what— I mean, like the, the office, my office in D.C. was, was an integrated office. I mean, to use that term now. But I mean, it was Black and white probation officers, and I supervised Black and white probation officers. And it was, I had— it was just a comfort level. And again, just the, the whole, that whole experience after, after the Dairy Queen of seeing those two Black men standing at that door and feeling that physical wave of relief running through my body I've— that has stayed with me. And I'm, I'm just aware of what a difference it makes when you work with people and how you, you begin to feel comfortable with them and you see them differently. You don't see them as other, which is of course, what our president is desperately trying to do. Divide us and make us all see each other as other. Other and less. Other and less and dangerous.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4841.0,4935.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. They're important to have, especially just important to look back at the Student Help Project and really draw, connect— not only connections, but reflections because it seems very similar to, you know, what had happened back then to what, what's occurring now with sort of my age living through the Black Lives Movement. The Black Lives Matter movement, excuse me.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4935.0,4964.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. And of course I've been, you know, I've, I've gone on, you know, some demonstrations down here and went to the women's march after \"it\" got elected. And so I've continued to do some things. And I'm now working with some friends who are sending a letter to our local commission because they don't want to have a, a mask, you know, something where people have to wear masks. You know, where it's, it's a personal choice, you know, that bullshit. Personal choice. So, I mean, this is all, again, it's all part of the way I was raised. And, and, and Farmville was part of, you know a logical step along, along my life's journey. It really was.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=4964.0,5019.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: No, it sounds very cyclical. And it's great to hear your observations and not only your experiences then, but your reflections now. So my last question, do you have anything that we didn't touch upon that you want to add to wrap things up?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=5019.0,5040.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I, I think it's, I think the things I thought about ahead of time have been covered and then some. You're a wonderful questioner. Thank you. I love what you're doing. I love the, the, the description you gave of yourself that, that Queens College is doing this. I think it's terrific. So you know, it's, these are little, you know, little oases of wonderful things happening in a vile, vile world, so.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=5040.0,5073.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Sure. And we're lucky to be able to do to do this initiative and explore, explore the Student Help Project more to really keep it documented at Queens College. So we're happy that we're able to connect with all of you and, and really create, like, create these interviews and create these connections.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=5073.0,5092.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: I think it's terrific. I'm really, I'm thrilled that you're doing it. I really am. And if the plauge ever goes away, we'll— I'll come back. When I get up, back up to New York, I'll certainly get back over to Queens College and track you down.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=5092.0,5108.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Definitely. It'd be lovely to meet one day in person, so.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=5108.0,5110.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yes, yes, it would. Yes, it would. Thank you so much for doing this Virginia. Really, thank you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=5110.0,5118.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Thank you so much for, for participating. I'm so glad that we were able to work it out and especially that we were able to do it today, so.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=5118.0,5126.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Yes, yes. And it's been fun, too.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=5126.0,5130.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yes it has.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=5130.0,5130.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Good. Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=5130.0,5134.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: I'm going to hang up and so we'll stop the recording and I'll send you an email just to follow up in the next few weeks about processing and what happens next, so.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=5134.0,5145.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Terrific. Terrific. Thank you again.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=5145.0,5147.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Thanks, Roz. Have a good weekend.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=5147.0,5150.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293/transcript/21692/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRosalind Andrews: Bye bye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/35271/file/104293#t=5150.0,5152.2"}]}]}]}