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So I also like to ask questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=0.0,5.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: No, that's totally fine. Um, this can definitely be, uh, uh, we'll focus on you, but you're welcome to ask questions. Um, and I'm actually, I studied anthropology, so we're not too far from each other in degrees.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=5.0,21.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: And, um, you're an anthropologist?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=21.0,24.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: I would, right now I work at a nonprofit organization, but I did a study anthropology for my undergraduate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=24.0,31.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: You were an undergrad undergraduate. And did your parents or your parents? Immigrants?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=31.0,36.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: They are yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=36.0,40.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: From where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=40.0,40.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: From Nepal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=40.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Oh yeah. There were no Asians when I grew up in Queens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=45.0,51.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: I'm sure. Um, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=51.0,53.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: There were, um, people from India, although I'm not sure what part, in Main Street, Flushing, a few of them. They, yeah, they had, they had moved there because the, uh, what's now the number seven line comes directly from the UN. So people from the UN settled there, um, it was inexpensive and a good place to raise children and then they attracted other people from India. And that's how Main Street, Flushing became an immigrant community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=53.0,91.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Mm Hmm. Oh. So before we get started, I'm just going to say that this is the interview for Carol Turbin. Um, and we're, we're recording now on date, uh, November 30th, 2020, uh, for the Queens memory, uh, COVID-19 project. Although I am aware that you were contacted pre-pandemic. Um, and if you wouldn't mind, if you could just say your full name and could spell it out for the recorder. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=91.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Okay. Um, Carol C a R O L E Turbin, T U R B I N.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=120.0,127.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Okay, great. Um, and, um, I know we have your pre-interview survey. Um, so we'll just grab some of the information from there and then we can go ahead and get started. Uh, we could actually go back to what you were telling me about, uh, main street flushing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=127.0,144.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Oh, okay. Um, well, I'll share with, um, a family history. My parents moved to Flushing in 1945 and I was born in 42 and my parents lived in, um, uh, a one bedroom, a fourth floor walk-up in uptown Manhattan, near the Cloisters. And my brothers were born in 1944 and they turned out to be twins. So my parents then, we were then in a one bedroom, fourth floor walk-up with, I was a toddler and two infants. And, uh, and it was, uh, during world war two when there was a housing shortage. So it was very hard to find new apartments because a lot of people were coming to work in war industries. And my father happened to find this house for rent in Flushing, which was, um, completely out of my family's vision. They, my father grew up in the lower [unclear], my mother grew up in the Bronx and my grandparents were immigrants from-- my mother's from Poland. And then they moved to Paris. They came in 1906 and my father's family came in 1892 from Ukraine. And, um, they, they had never been to Queens before, but he found this house. And in 1945, um, that part of Queens was semi-rural, there were many empty lots. And, um, it was all small frame houses, a few bricks. Um, there were very few cars because, um, the government, um, rationed metal and very few cars were manufactured during the war. So I grew up on this quiet street with hardly any cars lined by trees. Trees are gone. Now I went--maple trees. I went back a few years ago just to, to find it. Um, and, um, it was mostly--my family's Jewish. It was mostly a Italian-Irish neighborhood, some, um, white Anglo-Saxon Protestants people next door, the neighbor was a taxi driver. It was what-- you know about class because you're an anthropologist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=144.0,293.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: --It was really what you call a lower middle-class neighborhood, small houses, um, nobody very wealthy. Um, uh, the people next door had a little more money to the person next door. Um, the guy worked, um, as a train conductor, um, and, um, um, it was ver","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=293.0,363.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Um, but, um, and most of them, men, neighbors had never been to Manhattan or very rarely went to Manhattan. But my parents, because my father grew up in Manhattan and my mother, um, had worked in Manhattan. They, they took us there. So I grew up, um, riding the subways at a very young age. I'm a real native New Yorker that way. Um, I really appreciate it. Um, and, um, there was a school about a block and a half away, which, uh, we walked to, it was an elementary school, very old fashioned teachers. My second grade teacher used to hit us on the, on the knuckles when we did something wrong. Um, but, um, otherwise it was a pretty good school. Well, no, I was, um, at first of the only Jewish kid in the class until about the fourth or fifth grade, because in the, um, my-- moved there, we moved there in 1945, by the early fifties, there was a building boom after the war and then, um, Jewish and Italian families began to move in from, they moved from the Lower East Side and, um, the Bronx. So then there were more Jewish students and more Italian families and children. Um, so it was, uh, actually very isolating at first. And I did encounter prejudice. I encountered, um, there was a cath-olic public school nearby on the, um, most of the, most of the kids were Catholic and they, they went to the Catholic school and they told me I would burn in hell if I didn't convert, but I didn't, I don't know. I didn't take it very,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=363.0,479.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah. Hello. Oh, okay. Sure. Yeah. You were telling me about some of the prejudice that you experienced as, as a Jewish person growing up in Flushing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=479.0,496.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Right. And, um, I was, I was back to main street flushing where, um, I had learned about, about how it was settled from, um, this friend who was an anthropologist. So she knew something about it. And she was the person who introduced me to Indian food. We had very boring food. We had, um, I've, you can't imagine how boring it was. Um, uh, meat and potatoes and a vegetable. And, uh, there was something they called Chinese, which was, uh, basically chop suey, uh, which is, uh, noodles. And I don't know, uh, uh, those crispy noodles and rice and over cooked-vegetables. And, and then there was, uh, uh, there was one place that sold pizza, which was owned by Greeks. And then there was a diner that was owned by Greeks. Um, but we, we had very, we very rarely ate out and that, but then I do remember my first Indian meal, there were, I think maybe two Indian restaurants in all of Manhattan and all of New York City. And this friend introduced me to that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=496.0,580.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Um, yeah. So you were, did you continue on for, for high school? Um, before you started at Queens college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=580.0,589.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: I went to Bayside high school. There was a other, the elementary school PS, 130. Um, well what happened was they started building middle school , junior high schools they called them. And they started in the seventh grade. So I went to a new junior high school, um, on Northern Boulevard for a few years. And then I went to Bayside high school, which was, it was quite a good school. The New York City schools were really excellent schools, but, um, they, they had more funding than they do now. Like teachers were paid better. And right now you'll get a little bit of my political perspective here. Um, I really think teachers should be paid well. And they, they were at that time paid very well. The union was very strong and I think they had very good teachers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=589.0,652.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: And you were commuting from, from where you still live,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=652.0,656.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Pardon me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=656.0,656.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: You were commuting from where you still lived in Flushing with your family to Bayside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=656.0,662.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Yeah. Yeah. Well, we took a bus to high school to go to junior high school and to Main Street Flushing. And it was really unheard of for parents to take their childrens to school. In those days, you know, we just always took the bus and the, the, the, the one, the main thing that kids did that was forbidden was smoke cigarettes. It's really before marijuana or any drugs, but drugs didn't happen until, um, I guess the late sixties and early seventies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=662.0,703.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=703.0,703.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: And it was particularly a problem in high school. And then I went to Queens college and like also, uh, actually I went to Hunter college for a year and then I went to Queens. So I took buses and subways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=703.0,718.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: What, uh, what brought you to Hunter first? And then later to Queens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=718.0,723.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: I went to Hunter first because my grades were there. The schools, the city schools were very selective and free. You probably know that, um, it cost my parents $15 a semester.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=723.0,740.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=740.0,740.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: To go to school and I desperately wanted to go away to school. Um, but my parents didn't want me to go. And I think that my mother was old fashioned and she-- as a daughter. She didn't want me To leave the house. Um, but I, I didn't get into Queens. Queens was the most selective. And so I went to Hunter, um, but it was the guidance counselors didn't encourage girls to do more than go to a local school and then get married. Um, it was very, very different for young women. My, my brothers were two or three years younger. They had much better guidance counselors. Who got them money to go to private schools. I went to Cornell and Colgate, but there was very little sense that I would do anything, but go to a local school. And, um, I went to Hunter for a year because, well, actually, I'll tell you the story. Um, I didn't get into Queens. Um, the guidance counselor told me I could have gone to Queens at night and then transferred. And there was no sense that going to school at night for a kid who does well academically would really be, um, disappointing. But it happened that I, there was a girl in my, in my high school whose father was the president of Hunter college. And I ran into her and she said, I should call him. And he said, don't go to Queens at night. You won't really feel you're in college, go to Hunter during the day. Then you'll feel you're in college and then transfer if you want to. So that's what I did, but my parents, because they had no experience with school. My father went to city college for one or two semesters, but he didn't do very well. And he didn't like it althought he was quite smart. Um, but it wasn't really necessary to go to college. And my mother had had to quit high school during the depression. She did well in school, but my grandfather, um, was a husband painter and he got tuberculosis during the depression and had to was unemployed. So they had no money. So my mother had to quit high school and go to work. And she worked, she started out [unclear] real job. So I don't think my parents had any sense of what it was like, um, and you know, and, um, you just can't imagine what it was like before women's liberation, when women weren't encouraged to, um, be as much--to use all their abilities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=740.0,922.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Um, so, um, I, and I was very good at art, so I majored in art and that was the other thing that I really no one to give me advice about what to major in or what would be the best thing for my future. But I was good in art so i majored in art, which was really good because, um, the city universities had excellent studio art programs much better than the rest of the country, because at that time, um, the art world was centered in New York. And there were a lot of very talented people who were very good teachers. Um, so I made my way, um, in college and, um, uh, just to get ahead a little in 1964, I read the feminine mystique by Betty Friedan. And that really, that changed my life because I knew that my mother wanted me to be a housewife. And I knew I didn't want that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=922.0,986.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=986.0,987.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: But I didn't know what I wanted. And when I read the feminine mystique, I realized what I wanted. And then I became a feminist and I joined women's liberation. Um, but I was of this-- I was probably the last generation of women who were raised to be a housewife and, uh, and, and live in the suburbs and have children. And that was your life, right? It was just a few years later that-- and the other thing that is interesting, I actually didn't mean to get into all this women's liberation stuff, but, um, but, um, my brothers were very athletic. They were, they had, uh, they had track scholarship and it was, it was actually, I usual for Jewish boys to be athletic in those days, but they had track scholarships and I was a really good runner, but it never occurred to me. There was no females sports.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=987.0,1048.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Um, and I think that knowing myself now and that I was such a good runner, I would have, I would have been on a team if I, you know, but girls did not play sports. They just, no matter how good they were at it, they just, there were no girls teams. There was no opportunity. There was no, he just didn't do it. But I think, uh, it's interesting. 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And the other thing is, um, Bayside high school had no football team and we were told that that was for safety. We were told that it was not good for, um, it was, um, dangerous for boys to play football because they could get concussions. And I just find that so interesting because it's only fairly recently that your hear and now that they say that, um, football can be very dangerous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1080.0,1109.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah. They, they were ahead of their time on that one, maybe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1109.0,1115.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: In some ways they were, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1115.0,1116.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: I went to Francis Lewis high school actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1116.0,1120.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Oh yes that was later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1120.0,1120.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: And, um, yeah, we also didn't have a football team for the same reasons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1120.0,1126.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Yeah. And Francis Lewis was still later because I'm a generation, uh, I'm not a baby boomer. I'm a, I'm a war baby. I was born during the war. I don't only later when there was a housing boom in the later, in the very early 1950s at the baby boomers, the families, those families moved to Queens and they were, and then they, the schools were totally overwhelmed. They didn't have the space. So that's when they built Francis Lewis high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1126.0,1160.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: And during this time, while you were both at Hunter and Queens college, was your family still living in f- flushing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1160.0,1169.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Yes. My parents lived in flushing until my mother died in 1991. And by that time it had become mostly Korean and my mother, although she didn't finish high school, she was very good musician and she, she played piano and she was a piano teacher. So she actually did work when I was growing up, which was unusual. Uh, and then he taught the children in the neighborhood. And by the time, um, she, um, I was no longer in the house. Um, she was teaching the Korean kids, but also it was a way because my father was a meter tester for Con Edison. He had a blue collar job, and then he also had a small business on the side. Um, so we didn't have a lot of money, but also there weren't no air conditioners there weren't no dishwashers. Um, um, there were some, some people didn't even have telephones. It was a very different world. We didn't have a car until the early 1950s. Um, I remember my first car ride and I remember when my father brought home a car for the first time. Um, you know, we took buses and subways, then we walked a lot. And I bicycled.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1169.0,1256.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yes. Um, and, and how, uh, which point did you leave the flushing area?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1256.0,1265.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Um, I stayed at home until I graduated college and I was desperate to get out away from home. And I had a friend who had to follow a boyfriend out to California, and she said, come and visit me in California at Berkeley. So, um, against my parents' wishes, I bought her a bus ticket and I went took a Greyhound bus all the way across country, alone. I can't believe I did this. I did have, I did visit people along the way. I had, uh, had relatives in Cleveland and other places. And so I stopped. Um, but I, then I went to California in 1964 and that's how I met my husband. And then we came back to New York, um, in, um, 1966 because he went to graduate school at Columbia. But then my, when my mother died in 1991, my father moved to a senior resident in Main Street flushing. And he lived there until he was, uh, into his nineties. And then my brother, one of my brothers had moved to Massachusetts and he moved him to senior resident up there. So I used to go back to main street flushing, well into, I think was maybe up to maybe 2003 or four and visit my father. So I saw what it was, like, felt the changes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1265.0,1363.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah. What, what do you think about all of those changes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1363.0,1368.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: All the changes? Well, I love New York and I love the, I love that there's so many different people and different types of people. And I find it amusing actually that, um, Queens has become so trending that the young people, um, young people want to move there. Um, I can't imagine ever living in Queens again, I, I found it really very boring. I wasn't very, um, I was the kind of young person who wanted a lot of variety and I, I found it. I was very glad to leave at the time, but like, when i go back now. And I see all the wonderful Indian restaurants and, and immigrant community and the people speaking different languages. And actually I got connected to the Queens memory project through a guy who was a friend of a friend who lives in main street flushing. And I went back there and I, and he showed me around and bought me Chinese food. There was, that was fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1368.0,1437.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah, it's definitely changed a lot since then. And actually there is still a Jewish center. I'm not sure if you were ever connected with that on main street next to the library. Um, I remember,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1437.0,1450.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Um, I, I, I didn't hear that last, uh, I'm beginning to have hearing problems, so it's partly my earring, but it's also that this phone, the sound isn't so good. So say that again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1450.0,1461.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Sure. I was just saying there's also a Jewish center in main street, so I'm not sure at what point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1461.0,1468.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Oh is there still? . Do you, do you recall when that might have been built or was your family ever connected to them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1468.0,1475.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Well, when we first moved there in 1945, the only Jewish center anywhere around was main street flushing. And my mother used to take us there, although I should say my family was not at all religious, my mother's parents were socialists in Europe and they were atheists and they did not believe they were culturally Jewish. They believed in the, in the, they were, they were cul-- they identified with the cultural part, but not the, they had no interest in Israel and they were just, they were what we now would call social Democrats like Bernie Sanders, um, where you want a better society, but you don't want a revolution. Um, and my father's family also was not religious. Like my father's mother was uh religious, but his father wasn't. And so, but my mother, I think mostly because she didn't have any religious education or any connection, but I think that because we lived in a neighborhood where we were the only Jewish family, she wanted us to have some connection with our cultures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1475.0,1549.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: So she took us to a synagogue and main street flushing. And then in the fifties, when Jews began to move to Queens, then it was a synagogue closer to us. So then we went there, but I, um, some point when I was in high school, I just realized I did not believe in God and I would have no more to do with it. So I, I never went, I never went again to synagogue and I married someone who's not Jewish. Who's um, um, Protestant, not that I have anything against it. I feel very identified with being Jewish, but I just have no interest in that religion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1549.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah. Um, do you still have, um, friends or neighbors that you know are still around in the flushing area?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1590.0,1599.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Um, say that again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1599.0,1600.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Do you still have any former friends or that, you know, may still be around in the flushing area?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1600.0,1607.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: No, no. Everyone's gone. Uh, after my mother died, there was one neighbor who kept in touch with me for awhile, but, um, it's so, uh, I have no relationship to it anymore. It's just completely different. Um, um, completely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1607.0,1626.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah. And I noted that, I noticed on your pre-interview survey that you live in Brooklyn now. So where in Brooklyn are you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1626.0,1637.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: We live in park slope and we lived on the upper West side when my husband was a graduate student at Columbia, which I loved. Um, but we moved to park slope, partly because at that point it was very cheap. And, um, also a lot of people, we knew where moving here, so, um, and it was before and the way it was discovered, we just, we just, we discovered park slope was that during the Vietnam war, when we were anti-war activists, we, um, we, we used to ring doorbells in neighborhoods like park slope and tried to convince people to be anti-war, which of course was ridiculous because they just got very angry at us. But, um, we discovered that it was a beautiful neighborhood and near a park. And so, so then we moved here, but I still want to move back to Manhattan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1637.0,1703.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: [inaudible] yeah, you still can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1703.0,1707.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Yeah. And, and some of the young people, one of my cousin's sons is a legal aid lawyer and he lives in Astoria. I think. So. Um, and then another cousin who grew up in Queens stayed there and his daughters both live in Queens. So yeah. I still have some relevance there. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1707.0,1733.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Um, do you, is there anything else you want to share about your time growing up in Queens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1733.0,1739.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Oh, your, your voice just disappeared.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1739.0,1741.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Sorry. Um, I moved away a little bit. Is there anything else you want to share about your time growing up in Queens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1741.0,1749.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Oh, again, I didn't hear that. Maybe I should try calling you back on my landline.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268#t=1749.0,1753.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131268/transcript/34878/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah. 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Yes. I was just saying, if there's anything else you wanted to share about your time growing up in Queens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=0.0,10.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think what else. Um...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=10.0,18.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Maybe...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=18.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: I did--My mother used to like to shop and she used to take us to Jamaica too. There were department stores there, so, so I knew that part of Queens from shopping and at that point we had a car, so we were able to go there. I think that was pretty much an African American neighborhood at that point. Although I think the schools were still pretty good, Jamaica High School and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=20.0,66.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah, that's exactly the question I was going to ask whether you explored other parts of Queens, aside from.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=66.0,74.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: I had, I had, I had relatives in other parts of Queens. I had relatives in other parts of Bayside, and then I also had relatives in Brooklyn and then I went to girl scout camp one year and I got to know another girl who lived in the South part of Queens. So I got to know a little bit about it. And then in high school and college, I knew a guy who, who lived in, I think, Kew Gardens or Forest Hills. So I knew those neighborhoods somewhat. Queen is actually hard to get around because it's on an angle and it's not clear what's South and what's North and what's East or what's West but I have a childhood memory of the geography of Queens so I can't get lost. I know, you know, where Northern Boulevard is and Jamaica Boulevard and the other major streets and I can always find my way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=74.0,152.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah. Queens is a borough of boulevards. Once you find one, you can go most places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=152.0,158.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=158.0,165.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah, I was, I wanted to learn a little bit more about your Queens College experience as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=165.0,170.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Oh yeah. Queens College was much smaller then. And it was free and in fact, one of my first political acts. Well, my first political act was during the Civil Rights movement where I and friends picketed Woolworth's to protest the lunch counter segregation. And then the second political act was that I picketed the Board of Education to protest charging tuition as a city university. So we felt we were getting a very good education, you know, and not paying a million dollars. And we all came from families where we wouldn't have been able to spend a lot of money on college. But I found it difficult living at home...and i and i...but it was very high level. The classes were difficult. We had to work very hard, but there were a lot of girls of my generation aimed to major in education, become teachers and get married and move away. And so, um, I found that disappointing. I didn't want, that's not what I wanted in my life. And a lot of the boys were studying to be accountants, which I found very boring.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=170.0,264.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: I think it's probably, I think Queens is probably more academically-oriented now. I think a little bit. When did you go? Yeah. When were you at Queens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=264.0,275.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: I never studied at Queens College. I studied, I went to college in Pennsylvania,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=275.0,282.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Oh, which college in Pennsylvania?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=282.0,284.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Franklin and Marshall College?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=284.0,286.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Oh yeah. I know Franklin Marshall. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=286.0,289.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah. So that's where I did my undergraduate in anthropology. And then I pursued a graduate degree in Migration Studies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=289.0,298.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Oh, interesting. Migration in one particular place or migration in general?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=298.0,308.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah, just global human migration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=308.0,312.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Yeah, but that's the trend now when I was younger, it was much more nationally oriented. You studied a particular part of the world, you studied a particular country or, but now it is much more cross-cultural and people study the relationships between different parts of the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=312.0,337.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah. Especially in anthropology, which has such a history of being really like minute. Or a really specific location and that didn't really appeal to me because I was more interested in movements of people and the cultures that move and change across space. So that's what I focused on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=337.0,358.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: True of history too. My husband, is a US historian and that history has also become much more, um, much broader.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=358.0,368.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah. I'm also curious to learn about your parents and how you think they were shaped by their lives in Queens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=368.0,385.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Well, I think it was very hard for my mother because she was very far away from her family because my father found this house. Flushing was beyond the subway line, which in those days seemed really far away. And she, she was born in Passaic, New Jersey, and then they moved to the Bronx and her sister, when I was born, we lived in the same apartment building as her sister who she was very close to and a cousin my age. So she was accustomed to having her family around and her parents. And in order to get to her parents she had to take a bus to Main Street Flushing and then another bus across the Whitestone Bridge. I think she was lonely because she wasn't near people she knew. She was a shy person anyway. But my father's life didn't change that much because he worked at Manhattan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=385.0,464.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: So, and there was a Long Island Railroad Station a few blocks away and you could get to Penn Station in 40 minutes. I interviewed him the way you're interviewing me before he died. He was quite lucid until the day he died. He lived 'til '96 and he was quite, quite lucid up to the end. And he said he really liked the house. Because there was a garden and he liked to garden. But my mother said that it was the first time they had that much room, that much space. There were three bedrooms. And my mother grew up in an apartment where there were two bedrooms and a lot of people I know my age and were like me growing up like this. The parents slept on a couch, a sofa bed in the living room and the kids had the bedrooms and she shared a bedroom with her sister and then her brother had the other bedroom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=464.0,541.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: And it was very typical if you read any of these books about memories that people lived in very small quarters. And, and this was a forceful - she grew up in a fifth floor walk up. And when I was born, we lived in a fourth floor walk up. And my grandfather who lived into his eighties, he lived in that fifth floor walk up almost until he died, he was walking up and down five flights of stairs. People I think, you know, they didn't have the sense of comforts that we have because.. well, my grandfather came from a very poor family in Poland, although it was a big city. And, uh, and then he, he went to Paris. Um, you know, a lot of Jewish, young men were drafted into the Russian army at a very early age at about 16 and were, had to do the most menial tasks and a lot of them ran away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=541.0,605.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: So my grandfather did this, she ran away from the Russian army and I read a book about it. And it seems [unclear], they actually walked from Poland, um, from Russia through Germany and then to France. And in France, I know my, my aunt, my mother's sister was a few years older. She had, she heard the stories of where they lived. My grandmother, also, her family also came from a big city in Poland and moved to Paris. And they lived in a one room apartment above a winding staircase. And the toilets were in the, um, uh, in the backyard and in the courtyard, in the backyard. And I know that's the place my mother grew up in, in, um, New Jersey. They lived above a store where, which was heated by a stove on the first floor. And it went through vents and it was always cold and they didn't have hot water.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=605.0,672.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: They had to heat water on the stove. So, um, this and this frame house that my father rented, and then he actually acquired it because he was very nice to the landlord and the landlord gave it to him when he died. Um, but it was what you now I would now think of as a pretty shabby house. It was built in the 1920s frame, very narrow, had a big yard. So it was really wonderful for a child. But so my parents, it was an enormous amount of space. They had just never had that kind of room before. And they had never had, um, grass and, and, uh, yards before. So it was for them a big step up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=672.0,721.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Um, I'm curious whether, um, the s-- the seven train now, I think it must have been another elevated train at the time. Was that around, were growing up or was that built?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=721.0,735.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Yeah, it was, um, it was called the main street flushing line. Those numbers are fairly recent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=735.0,741.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=741.0,741.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: I even have trouble remembering them because I thought of it as the main street flushing flushing line and what we call the one and the two, um, I think of as the West sideline and what we watch the five and the six, I think, of as the East sideline. And, you know, I have to think, um, it's, it's almost like, um, it's another language, you know, I learned, I learned it in a different way, so I have to, I have to think it through why does this number mean? Um, but that, yeah, that's somewhere it was there. And I remember it costs only 7 cents to get on the subway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=741.0,785.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah, yeah. Transportation. It was amazing to hear that you, uh, your family primarily use public transportation because now definitely the flushing Bayside areas is a lot of, um, uh, car drivers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=785.0,801.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Yeah. People drive. Yeah. Yeah. People drive, but they grew up depending on street cars, they were still street cars when I was a child. And then those disappeared and they, uh, um, cemented over, they put, um, they put asphalt over the trolley tracks. And for many years you could still see places where the trolley tracks stuck out. Um, but they're gone now completely, but that's, that's how they got around. And that's how I got around it. And I have a lot more patience for the subway than a lot of younger people. Ain't no jumping taxicabs. My parents, my mother, especially would never take a taxi was too expensive. She would walk, or she would take the subway. That's how I think there are many immigrants live that way. You know, they are, they have to save their money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=801.0,864.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yes, definitely. I mean, that's, I think that's why it's interesting. So I grew up in Elmhurst and my family doesn't drive. I don't drive, we never had a car growing up. Um, and I live in a very, I grew up in a really dense neighborhood, so very like heavily commercial. Um, we also lived in pretty small spaces, um, always an in an apartment building one or two bedrooms for, for all us. Um, but I went to school in flushing and with, in Francis Lewis, um, and my peers who were more living in flushing and Bayside had a really different experience than I did, and most of them were driving or their families drove. Um, so that was interesting to me to learn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=864.0,912.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Yeah. I know it's a very different life. And I do remember when it became a suburban car culture, because you really can't get from the North shore of Queens to the South shore on public transportation, you have to drive, um, it's all the transportation is meant to get somewhere you are to Manhattan. So we, so I didn't get, I didn't learn about Kew Gardens or, or Jamaica until we had a car.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=912.0,945.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah, that's true. Um, so we're, we're, we've reached the one hour Mark. Um, so if there is nothing else you want to add right now, um, I can finish this out with, um, just a few, um, single answer questions that I have to enter in here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=945.0,966.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Okay. I can't think of anything. I can't think of anything else. I'm sure there are more, I'm sure there's more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=966.0,978.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: There's always so much to share.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=978.0,978.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: I just should add. And this is in my memo, if you ever get to look at it, that the business my father had on the side was selling those bronze plated, et cetera, of liberties and empire state building. And he had the made in a factory on the Bowery. And I think that later they moved to Bushwick and there were three companies that, that sold these items. And they've become kind of historic now because everything is plastic now. So his business and he [unclear] he had the business in the basement. And he used to pay us a few pennies to put glue felt on the bottom. So if you ever see these bronze plated, statue of liberties and empire states with felts on the bottom, there were my father's, that was my father's business. And then eventually he went into that full-time and then he, then he became, he became more prosperous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=978.0,1048.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Um, did he, um, did he end up selling the business or did he keep it until the end?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1048.0,1055.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Well, he sold it to a company that sold postcards uh New York city postcards. I think what was about that was about the time. Um, I think it was in the middle sixties and he decided he wanted to retire and he was born in 1909. And, or maybe it was, it was when he was about 65. So it would have been later in the sixties, it would have been in the seventies, he sold the business and he worked for the company he sold it to, and he kept working pretty much until he was 85. He was very energetic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1055.0,1105.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Amazing. So, um, I think some of the questions here, um, just asks, what is your current zip code?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1105.0,1114.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Current","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1114.0,1115.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Zip code? So I know you live in park slope. Do you know what the zip code is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1115.0,1121.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Um, I didn't hear that. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1121.0,1124.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Sorry, your zip code. So like, uh, is it, um, cause I'm in one, one, three, seven, three.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1124.0,1132.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Oh, the area code. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1132.0,1135.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: No, I think that's the, is that the zip code? Wow. I always confuse the two. Oh no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1135.0,1142.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Somehow your voice is not clear. I'm not sure why you're asking about, or you're asking about COVID","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1142.0,1151.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: No, sorry. The, the zip code that, where you currently live.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1151.0,1155.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Oh oh, my zip code was the one, two, one five. Sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1155.0,1159.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: That's all right. But if there's something you want to share related to, to the pandemic as well and how you're managing and dealing with that, you're welcome to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1159.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Well, it's very hard in some ways I feel very privileged because I'm retired and I have a pension and I own the house and I don't have to go to work and I don't have to take a lot of those kinds of risks. Um, that sense, I feel very privileged, but, um, it's very isolating and limiting and scary. And you just worry about, um, particularly now with the numbers going up and I can't, I can't go to the movies or concerts or theater and, um, it's very limiting and, and it's scary. And, and I do know people who have died of it, three people who have died of COVID and, you know, I think it's sad, sad time. I know a lot of people know someone has died, but I also feel very, I must say I feel very proud of New York that we did so well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1170.0,1235.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: We did. We, we, we did well and hopefully we'll stay that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1235.0,1241.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Yeah, well, yeah, it's getting to be a problem now because of the cold weather, but, but, um, I just cannot understand why people would not wear a mask. It is just such a simple thing to do, and it makes you so much safer. I just, I can't understand why people, how people could not believe it and not wear a mask. 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That's very good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1292.0,1296.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Um, so yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1296.0,1301.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Many different ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1301.0,1303.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Definitely. Um,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1303.0,1306.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: So,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1306.0,1308.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Uh, no, I, I don't, um, I'm only 26.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1308.0,1312.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Oh, I still have children when I was your age people and people had children much younger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1312.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: I'm sure that's true. Yeah. No, not, not there yet for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1320.0,1325.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's your generation. That's, that's good. Yeah. Your life together first.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1325.0,1332.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: True. Um, so I do need your date of birth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1332.0,1338.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: 1942.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1338.0,1341.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Okay. Okay. And, uh, country of origin, I believe you said you were born here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1341.0,1353.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: I am a new Yorker born and bred.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1353.0,1356.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Okay. It also asks for, um, which like number of generation you are in the U S so would you consider yourself second or third generation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1356.0,1368.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: Well, you know what? That is, um, a confusing point, because from the point of view of a sociologist I'm third generation, the first generation is considered the generation that arrived that, um, that came here. So, um, my grandparents were immigrants. My parents were born here and I was born here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1368.0,1396.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yeah. Okay. I'll I'll put in third. 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Um, but, but yeah, we, we talk about that a lot in, in migration studies or in, in that field, because, um, uh, there, there's this interesting concept of sort of like, um, um,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1425.0,1467.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: My, my, my niece married, a Sikh who, um, was born in Punjab. Um, and he, he acts like a, like an American kid. He came here when he was six years old, but it is a very different, it's a very different orientation. So my family has become actually quite international. My, my niece's half Chinese and she married a Sikh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1467.0,1494.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: My, um, my partner is Sikh as well. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, but it's interesting because it's, it's more about like the, how, how we're able to rekindle parts of our culture. Um, and I think it was harder then because, um, there's so much distance both physically, but also like you can only make phone calls so many times, your letters take forever to come. Um, but, but for me, I, I w I used to call my grandmother growing up. Um, so even if I couldn't move back, it was easy to communicate. Um, and it's gotten even easier to, to communicate. Um, and people are able to fly between places a lot more easily if you're, if you have the means to. Um, so I think it changes that dynamic of that relationship. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1494.0,1545.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: I think that's true. It's very, very different than I really admire when I think that my grandparents came here and they never saw their parents again, they never saw, um, my grandfather had, um, he had an uncle here. Um, so at least he had some family, which is typical, you know, that people come to a place where they were relatives, but, and then he tried to bring his parents to America. He sent them money. And the story my mother told me was that they died. I suspect it was from the Spanish flu, but I don't know, but that's, you know, when I think that when he left, he would never see them again. That's a very, very poignant and my, my grandmother, well, she came with her mother. So, um, she at least had that, but yeah. 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I am always, um, I remind myself how brave they were to come to a foreign place where they didn't speak the language and where they would never see their family again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1619.0,1634.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Yes, definitely. 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I taught sociology and women's history-- women's studies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1701.0,1707.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: Mm. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1707.0,1713.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carole Turbin: So I hope I haven't lectured too much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1713.0,1715.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269/transcript/34879/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shrima Pandey: No, no. That's, it's much easier, I think. Um, when you speak, um, and, and just go with it rather than a lot of question answer. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think that is, that is it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/56182/file/131269#t=1715.0,1756.55184"}]}]}]}