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I'm Victoria Fernandez, the 2020-2021 Freda S. and J. Chester Johnson Civil Rights and Social Justice Archives Fellow at the Queens College Library. You can go, Fern.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1.0,19.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: I'm Fern Kruger and I currently live in New Orleans. I'm retired here. I was formerly an educator and I was educated at Queens College, 1961 to 1965. And I am very happy to be here today.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=19.0,41.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Great. So today, just for posterity, is November 6th, 2020, and we're recording this interview using Zoom. This is being recorded for the Queens College Special Collections and Archives, along with the Queens Memory Project. And it's part of an initiative to document the activities of Queens College students who were active in the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s. More specifically, we'll be talking about your participation in the Student Help Project as one of those student initiatives on campus.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=41.0,70.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: So bef— before we talk about the Student Help Project, I'd like to ask you where did you grow up?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=70.0,82.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: I grew up—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=82.0,82.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: I'm sorry Fern, I don't hear you for some reason.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=82.0,87.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Oh.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=87.0,88.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Now I do. No. Hold on, you're muted.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=88.0,95.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Can you hear me now?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=95.0,96.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yes. Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=96.0,98.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Okay, good. I was born in Harlem. I grew up initially in the Bronx, moved to Flushing, and most of my growing up was in Flushing. And I went to Queens College.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=98.0,116.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. And just to ask, why did you move from the Bronx to Flushing? Why'd your family move?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=116.0,123.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Ah. My family's parents, my fam— both parents grew up in the Bronx. They were, both families were immigrants, who lived in the Bronx and we were very close. In what year was that? '52, during the time when there were cooperatives being built. A new form of living, in a way. My father saw it as an opportunity to have a little more rural, a suburban life than the intensity of the city, raise us. And I was seven and my sister was born shortly after that. And though, it was just very new. It was these, not condos. They were— well, yeah, they were condos. My father was able to buy a share. So it was his way of still being urban, but being a homeowner.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=123.0,195.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And how close [crosstalk]—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=195.0,196.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And it was [crosstalk]—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=196.0,197.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Oh, sorry. Continue.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=197.0,198.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: No, go ahead.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=198.0,199.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: I was going to say—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=199.0,200.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: How close to?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=200.0,200.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah, to Queens college did you live? Because Flushing is so big.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=200.0,204.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: No, we were very local when we lived in Flushing. We went to the neighborhood school, we walked. But by the time I went— and I walked to high school, I walked to Flushing High School.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=204.0,221.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=221.0,221.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: But from— at literally on my corner was a bus that went from my home to Queens College.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=221.0,232.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Right. It's great to orient. Like with Flushing High School, I know exactly where that is. And it's, you know, just a trip down the highway to Queens College, for those who might not know.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=232.0,243.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Right. I— it wasn't great at the time, but when I look back, I was only sixteen when I graduated from high school. So I was too young to drive. And nobody drove to school then. I mean, it was a commuter school. I was disappointed because I really always wanted to be a teacher and I had applied to all the teacher's colleges. It was all free, college was free when we went to school. And I applied to teacher's colleges, not so far away, but my parents didn't approve of it. And so I said, \"Okay, I'll go to the commuter school,\" and took the bus every day. I don't know exactly how many miles, but if you know that area, you know it's not very far.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=243.0,294.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. And so, to talk more about your parents, what were their political views? Were you influenced by them at such a young age?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=294.0,303.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Yeah. My parents were Democrats. They were, they always— I look back on it now and they were very progressive. They spoke a lot at the dinner table, particularly my dad. And my mom was a homemaker, she stayed at home. She wasn't that outspoken. Very loving and supportive, but my dad was very involved in the world. And he was very active in our community. He was a leader in our community in his own small way, you know, in his fraternal organization. And, and, we were Jewish. He raised the money to build our synagogue. He worked on raising money to send, at the time, inner city kids to camp, raising money for that. So not just by his words but by his deeds, he was always looking to make life better. He felt like he had achieved enough, but he wanted to always contribute. And he was my role model.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=303.0,381.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Definitely. And what did he do as, as a career? I'm just curious.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=381.0,385.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Well, he inherited his father's business. His— he and his three brothers worked in the business. It was a die-cutting, paper, cardboard-cutting business in the Lower East Side. He definitely was a, kind of a blue-collar guy. But he and my mother, both were very intelligent and would have gone to college if not for economic, you know, they were both— could have, yeah, could have gone to college, but the families couldn't afford it. So the boys went to work in the father's business. And they, you know, cut paper for printing paper and other commercial things like men's ties and, and cookies and dolls, you know, the cardboard that kept. And that was one of the things when I thought, \"Oh, I'm pretty well-off,\" cause I always had a lot of dolls.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=385.0,456.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Right, right. Okay. And switching back to Flushing a little bit, how would you describe your neighborhood? Did you ever experience any social injustice? Did you witness any racism like in your close circle that maybe made you feel like you needed to be more of an agent of social change?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=456.0,477.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Not very much until I went to Queens. That's where it, really my eyes opened up. That was the, being woke happened at Queens College. But when we moved from the Bronx, my circle was extremely small, you know, as a little child. And it was almost primarily Jewish, though we we're aware of other immigrant groups, and we didn't have close neighbors who were anything but Jewish, white, Jewish people. We came to Flushing and it was pretty much the same. But our school wasn't finished being built yet and so when we arrived, we were bused to another town and that was the first time I experienced antisemitism. But because the town was pretty hardcore, I look back on it now, I didn't have the words, but conservative and I was never abused or hurt by anyone, but we were definitely bullied and lots of name calling. And I, I felt for the first time that sting of that. But it was less than a year and then we came back to the coziness of our pretty homogenous neighborhood school.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=477.0,567.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. And what neighborhood was that, that you had, that you were relocated to?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=567.0,571.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: It was Main Street— Union Street in Flushing. It was called Mitchell Gardens\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=571.0,581.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=581.0,581.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Whitestone area. From the Whitestone Bridge to Downtown Flushing because Flushing High School was right on the street of Main Street.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=581.0,597.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=597.0,597.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And it was in high school that our, our little tight community was integrated. So it was the first time that I had Black friends, Black students in my classes, in my world. And, and that was a turning point for me. Where, you know, it's just the beginning of being able to go to a party with— cause I was a, not a cheerleader, a booster, you know. And so we supported the football team and the football team were mostly Black boys and we were invited to parties and that was the beginning of, you know— and I remember asking my parents if I could go to someone's home or, cause it still was questionable. The integration of these communities, they were, it wasn't what we grew up with.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=597.0,660.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And what was your parents' reaction in terms of like this, this level of integration that you had in high school or having Black friends?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=660.0,668.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Well, they were glad because it was their vision for the world, but they also were very cautious because it wasn't like, easy. It was, you know, be careful. There was always an element of fear. But, but they, they encouraged and supported it, but they were— my mom was a little afraid.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=668.0,688.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. And I, and I'm thinking for you to say that you experienced some injustice yourself and some antisemitism in that area of Mitchell Gardens and Whitestone. That's not very far from Flushing High School, like you said. It's, it's probably just up the road. The neighborhoods are very close to each other, so just that difference.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=688.0,706.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Very close.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=706.0,706.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah, definitely interesting. So tell me a little bit more about why you enrolled at Queens College.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=706.0,716.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Again, it was a little disappointed. I wanted to go away. I had bigger visions, but it was the closest commuter school. I mean, I could have gone to any other of the city colleges and commuted, but it was kind of the default. And honestly I was half-heartedly going to go. It actually stirred up something in me, the beginning of kind of anger and unrest, that I had never really felt before. And even though I was only 16, I forged my license, driver's license. When I became seventeen and I was able to get a permit and a driver's license, I forged it to say I was eighteen so I could get a job. And instead of going to day school, I worked during the day in Downtown Manhattan to kind of grow up and have my own money and started going to night school.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=716.0,780.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. And what did you work as in that time or where were you working?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=780.0,784.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: An office assistant. A personal assistant to an editor of an audio magazine when audio component parts were just being developed. And yeah, it was very interesting for me. It was— first of all, I went to Manhattan, so I took a bus and a subway into Manhattan by myself. And it really opened my eyes to a much bigger world. And part of my job, I had to go once a week because, it's hard to believe but you're a historian, we had to set type for the magazine, like little squares of metal to make the print. 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And in New Haven it was where I— I think it was my first view of the real discrepancies of the way people lived. Like people didn't just live like I saw, or even my newly found Black friends were still pretty kind of middle-class. It was in New Haven when I started seeing real poor people living, not just in the newspapers or in books.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=853.0,888.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. That's interesting. I was going to say whether it was a wealth discrepancy or a diversity discrepancy, but it's interesting to hear you say that it was, you know, a different kind of class system in New Haven. Yeah. So a little bit more about the campus - what was it like to be a student at that time? Not only the diversity makeup of the student body, but maybe other clubs or activities that you were involved in.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=888.0,918.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Well, it's interesting. I just got a, an email. It was from the Development Department as an alumni, requesting support. And one of the graphics was a photo from Dew Drop Inn, which was a house plan, which was so, so you know— and I was in Dew Drop Inn.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=918.0,945.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=945.0,945.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: So it really evoked my memory. So when I moved from night school to day school, I really \"chose in,\" as they say. But once I said, \"Okay, I'm going here. I'm going to get the fullest, most wonderful experience of the college. I might as well.\" And because as a night school student, I was just taking, you know, English and math and basic courses. I wasn't really involved in college life. Although I did meet one of my best friend at the time, is, turned out to be a lawyer, a civil rights lawyer in D.C., who I still see.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=945.0,992.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: But other than that, I did, I wasn't involved in school life. And my first entry— and I don't really remember how I got to Dew Drop Inn, but the house plans did a lot of recruiting, you know, for incoming students. And there was, you had to go through some hoops and some, to get in to be accepted. But that was my circle of women. And they, for the most part if I remember correctly, they were involved in social activity on the campus. And so I expanded my world. But they were pretty much like me. They were all white middle-class, local young women.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=992.0,1047.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Right. And just for clarification, Dew Drop Inn, it sounds like some sort of dormitory, was it? Am I correct? [inaudible].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1047.0,1055.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: No. In fact, there were no dorms on Queens College at that time. Everybody were commuters. But it was a clubhouse. They had a house where, and all the house plans had spaces, but nobody lived there. It was just like club, clubhouses.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1055.0,1079.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Gotcha. That makes much more sense. Okay. So a place to hang out because it was a commuter school.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1079.0,1085.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Right. Before that, we hung out in the Student Center or in kind of departments or, you know, not much outdoors because of the weather in Queens College, you know, at the time. But I'm reminded now that then I went to sorority, because my cousin who, interestingly enough, just text me now as I was on the phone, invited me to come and join the, her sorority. And her sorority was Iota Alpha Pi. And I, I was, that was a very active part of my life. That's where I got more involved in community.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1085.0,1138.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And because we had to pick like a club within the sorority, like an activity, and I chose foreign students. I was the head of Foreign Student Affairs from my sorority. And boy, was that a good decision. I don't know how I made it, but I just felt called to it, you know. And it really opened my world. You know, we— it was social at the time. You know, welcoming foreign students, making sure that they got connected, hosting events and including foreign students. And I think that's where I first started really listening to people who were different than I was. Like, \"Wow, you came from other countries to come here,\" you know.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1138.0,1190.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And what kind of, what kind of, sorry, like population of foreign students where they? Like where were they from?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1190.0,1199.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Oh, I wish I remembered better. But I believe that they were from, I don't know, more Arabic countries, you know. Iran perhaps, or like history escapes me in terms of timing, but I know that they were from the Middle East. There were a lot of people from the Middle East. Some European, but not much, a few. I feel that there were Asian students and— but I know that they were all so, so unusual and different. I wish I had a clearer memory. But I remember like, I, I remember myself feeling so much compassion and it was the beginning of stretching myself. Like, \"Wow,\" you know, people really do live differently, even though those people's lives still were more similar to mine. And because, when I look back, they had to have been raised by parents who had the means to send them to America.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1199.0,1284.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Right. That's a big factor also. Yeah. Okay. And so how did you get involved with the Student Help Project?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1284.0,1294.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Well, so the sorority was very important to me and we did some community projects, but I was beginning to really have my mind and heart open. And by then I had my, I declared my major because my minor at the time— which I remember how I felt. I was an anthropology and sociology major, because I really, I really wanted to go around the world. You know, then I wanted to go to the countries where people came from and I wanted to travel and I wanted to explore and understand and Margaret Mead was my, you know, hero. And there was a wonderful professor, a woman professor who inspired me beyond measure in anthropology.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1294.0,1352.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: But, I don't know, during those times I also was influenced by my parents and my family to be more practical. And without my, my view of it or my censoring it, I think the reality of my life at the time, since I was still living at home, was I should be a teacher. And so I changed my major and became an education major and that moment definitely changed my life. That moment changed my life because Sid Simon— have you interviewed Sid Simon?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1352.0,1391.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Annie actually had a discussion with him. He's doing well, but I haven't met him on my own yet.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1391.0,1397.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Yeah. Well, he's probably the most impactful person in my life without a doubt. And so I met him. He was my education professor and I became a friend of him and his family and my world changed. You know, I was still living at home, but I had learned to drive. And I became a friend of the family. I was a babysitter for the children. I learned to sing folk songs. And you know, because of him, we, the Student Help Project, what I remember the most impactful was doing physical work to build and repair a playground on Long Island in, the town that he lived in Long Beach.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1397.0,1459.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. Yeah. I'll definitely ask you a little bit more about that, but I'm curious to know when you changed, changed your major to be an education major, what was your feeling? Did you, when you first met Sid, when you were taking those classes, you said that your parents wanted you to have more of a practical switch, practical career. So what was your reflection on that?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1459.0,1483.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Well, my reflection was a little bit of resignation because it didn't feel like it was my passion. But I think I've always been like this, I was not going to suffer. I was, you know, I felt it, but I was going to move on and I was going to find my passion in this work. And so that really, that really directed my life's work. It really directed it, it really did.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1483.0,1515.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. That's great. And again, I'll, I'll ask you that sort of at the close of the interview, just where your life has been since Queens College. But certainly it sounds like Sid had, had an impact on that. And many others talk about the interpersonal friendships that Sid created. Him being just a very, someone that they had very close relationships, him inviting them over to their house. So again, you say the same. It's quite interesting. And—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1515.0,1543.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Yeah, it was a form of friendship that I had never known before. We were really in it together. It was perfect timing for launching as adults, but still not being alone. Like we were in a new family.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1543.0,1562.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Right. And it, it's probably definitely what you needed to mature as sort of like a sixteen year old, your first year in college, so.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1562.0,1570.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1570.0,1571.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. And what year did you start being involved with the Student Help Project?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1571.0,1577.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Again, forgive my memory, but probably '63.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1577.0,1582.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1582.0,1583.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: I think. I mean, '62 or '63. As soon as I started in the Education Department and met Sid. I re, I remember the work on the playground and then I remember the tutoring at, in Jamaica.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1583.0,1603.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. So can you tell me a little bit more about the playground remake. We have in our collections, just to add this fact, we have an image, a newspaper clipping I think that Rosalind gave us, Rosalind Andrews, and it shows a few of, I think her and a few other cohort members, helping to build that playground. So you want to just give a few details on that?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1603.0,1625.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Well it was the most physical, tangible, outside of like dreaming or imagining, it was we can really make a change. We can actually, with our hands, make this space where children who didn't have this, like we had had it made for us. We can make it so that there could be a little glimpse of a more equitable society. Like it was a great feeling of accomplishment.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1625.0,1663.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. All in just the playground, which seems so, such a simple object. I mean, how many times do you pass them on the street now? But to, to have that be a sign of equity is, is quite striking. 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And, and did, were you taking a lot of courses at that point? Had you been involved in the major extensively?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1759.0,1767.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=1767.0,1767.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. So do you feel that you had some preparation to take that on? 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[inaudible]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2009.0,2097.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: I don't know what happened.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2097.0,2098.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Oh, that's okay. I— sometimes the internet's a little unstable but I can hear you now.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2098.0,2104.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Okay, good.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2104.0,2106.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Can you turn on your camera?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2106.0,2108.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Let's see.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2108.0,2110.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Or does it look like it's on for you? Oh, okay. Perfect. Okay. So, so the last thing— I didn't hear you answer that question at all.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2110.0,2118.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: What was the question?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2118.0,2120.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Sure, if I can remember. It was, what kind of, like, relationships did you have with your students? You said that you couldn't necessarily remember any particular stories, but I forget where I was going with it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2120.0,2136.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: But I do remember a feeling, like I was making a difference. It was new, strange uncharted territory for me. It was— when I lost connection with you, I just had this flash of a, because I really wanted to be an anthropologist and I really wanted to go to the Peace Corps and I really wanted to get out in the world and make a difference, this was my beginning of that. You know, it was like a strange land in a way. I have no memory of any particular kids, which is very interesting, I mean it was over fifty years ago. But— and it was brief in a way, but it was so impactful and it's so, was the foundation of all the work that I did as an educator.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2136.0,2203.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. And just some, some other questions that are coming to mind, when you went to tutor, you said it was most likely after school. Were you going with other Queens College students who were in the Student Help Project? 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I cannot imagine I went there myself.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2220.0,2225.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2225.0,2225.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: But I don't have any memory of going with anyone else.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2225.0,2231.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: All right. And—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2231.0,2233.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: I'm sure I did.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2233.0,2234.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2234.0,2235.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: I'm sure we were a group and we went, and then we got assigned to a small group. I can vaguely picture like a cafeteria setting, but so many of my life experiences with children are kind of collapsed over that one.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2235.0,2255.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. And I'm not sure if you have any memories of this also, but to what extent did this, the cohort of Student Help Project volunteers who were working in Jamaica, kind of sit down. Did you guys have like, reflection meetings afterwards to talk about like differences that were happening in your classroom? Did you meet with them very often?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2255.0,2285.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Frozen again. Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2285.0,2311.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Fern, do you hear me? Alright. 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I'm wondering if it might be in my home, there are three other people on the internet.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2353.0,2362.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: It could be that. And I, and I'm home too. So I changed my, I changed the router that I was connected to. So hopefully it won't happen again. Yeah and I—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2362.0,2373.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: But, but it's given me time to have some reflections.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2373.0,2379.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay, that's great. And I, before we continue, I just want to ask, would you like that those segments are removed from the, the end, like video quality. Cause I can edit them out every time that you come in and out?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2379.0,2393.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Sure.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2393.0,2394.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. Alright, so I will rephrase my question because I've had time to think about it too. Did the Student Help Project, the volunteers who were involved in Jamaica, did you guys have workshops after meeting with your own classes? To what extent did you guys regroup and share your experiences altogether?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2394.0,2418.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: That's good. That's what I was thinking about. Cause I could not imagine that I was there alone, but I don't have any visual memories of others there because that photo of me with my group is so strong in my mind. But I do remember us being back at campus, not— maybe we met there on site, but I don't remember. But I do remember being back on campus and debriefing and sharing and there is where I didn't feel alone. That's where I felt like we were part of a meaningful project because we heard everybody, the impact with everyone or the challenges or— you know, I don't recall that there was ever pushback. 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And I'm curious, if you can remember, what kind of challenges or, or discussions did you all share?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2472.0,2483.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Just, I do remember kind of that vulnerability because we were all so passionate that we were going to make a difference. 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That's great.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2510.0,2511.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Because the challenges were, you know, I've worked in many afterschool programs since, you know, and I don't remember us going in with treats or, you know. I don't have those memories from that time. So I'm sure that we were aware of, you know, food scarcity and other challenges. It was also the time, I didn't realize it, but I think it was, and it's, it's hard to kind of sift this for myself, but I think it was the beginning of when I started really questioning the structure of public education. Even though I was so committed to it, had been raised in it, continue to, you know, be a strong advocate and still am, but I think that was the beginning of when we started seeing more of the systemic problems with public education.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2511.0,2573.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. Definitely. Can you [crosstalk]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2573.0,2576.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And it was, it was also the time of segregation, so. Not in New York so much, but the awareness of the, the inequities in the kind of education that children were having.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2576.0,2592.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And this, this leads me to sort of think about were, were you aware before being involved in the project of the realities of these, these Black students of communities in Jamaica?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2592.0,2603.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: No.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2603.0,2603.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2603.0,2605.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: No, it was so eye-opening. 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But it never got to my attention.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2624.0,2632.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2632.0,2632.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: More— it's interesting because I think my attention was more at that time of my studies was more on the inequities around the world. And then I just, and, and the kind of segregated, insulated life I had had previously that I wasn't that aware of it. And I don't think it was highlighted in the media. I mean, the media was, you know, black and white TV and the newspapers that I read.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2632.0,2666.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. Okay. And so now's the time that I can ask you, how was the Jamaica project a meaningful experience to you? 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Wish I remembered, but I do remember the experience of, extraordinary experience. First time I marched and held a sign and spoke out, and there was no backing down on that. We were going to win and we did.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2751.0,2776.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And so that's at Queens College to, to protest the dress code that you guys had. Okay. 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They had, I don't think they had ever had something like that, where we went to the President's door and we demanded it. And so that was a turning point in my life. And I also remember, because of Kennedy— sorry, powerful moment. But, at the time, I hated the president of our college, you know, cause he was the enemy. He stood in the way of girls being able to wear pants to school. I mean, that was the extent of my passion at the time. And I remember being in the quad at Queens College when we heard that Kennedy had been shot. And the first thing I heard was, \"The President has been shot,\" and I thought, \"Yay,\" because I thought it was the president of the college. 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If that could happen, we better get our, really jump in even bigger.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2903.0,2914.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Definitely.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2914.0,2915.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And that was the time that we jumped in bigger. And again, I don't have it well documented in my own mind, I wish I did, but I know, I don't know the timing of all of it, but I do remember when Robert Kennedy was assassinated, by that time I was a substitute teacher. I don't even remember this chain of events, I could recreate them. But I remember being woken up, staying up all night and watching the horror and being called to substitute in Jamaica and that's where I was with a new generation of young Black students who were devastated.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2915.0,2970.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: So they shared the same kind of emotional reaction.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2970.0,2974.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Yeah, because he was such a hopeful champion for equal rights.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2974.0,2982.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. No, that, that's, that's interesting to hear. I wouldn't, personally, I wouldn't think that students that young would have sort of political awareness, but again like you said, it affected them way deeper than seeing someone on, in the news. it was their livelihood.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=2982.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: It was their lives. He came into their communities, he shook hands. He really cared. Maybe that wasn't true, but we all believed that at the time. 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And such an important political figure, public figure in general.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3011.0,3016.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: I moved to another part, jumped ahead, but you asked earlier the question of, and now I forgot, but something about how it impacted my—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3016.0,3030.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. What was, what was the sort of the rest of your trajectory in Queens College changed? How was it changed by the Student Help Project?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3030.0,3040.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Oh, because that was my commitment to equity and education, reforming education to be more affective, more of an opportunity to express feelings. That was a lot of Sid's work and I took it on as my work. And—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3040.0,3075.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: I think you froze again.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3075.0,3150.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. I see you again, Fern.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3150.0,3154.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Oh boy. I moved cause I, for two reasons. One, because I saw the time and I realized that— hold on one second. When, because I was on with you, I don't know if, huh. I can't tell. My grandson was going to go to visit a friend to work on a project and I looked at the time. Oh, there he is. Okay. Hold on. So Ben, you're good? I'll be in here and I'll check with you. Okay, good. So I had to leave my room.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3154.0,3200.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3200.0,3200.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And so I was saying that, I forget. Something important to me. Do you remember?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3200.0,3211.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: I believe we left off with Sid Simon.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3211.0,3216.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Oh, oh, so I do. So I left to do student teaching because even though all of this was happening and it was so, building to be more important, the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act, I was simultaneously— Oh, I do remember as part of education— Oh my gosh, I'm remembering a lot of stuff! I remember going to Atlanta, which is now a lot on my mind this morning, being in Atlanta at Martin Luther King's church. I went there for some educational conference. I remember going to L.A. because they were sampling Sesame Street for educators and trying to, like in a focus group, on the impact of Sesame Street. So I just was becoming more of an educator and an activist, but the activism kind of took sort of a backseat until— oh, it's all coming together, it's all. Wow.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3216.0,3301.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Cause the years are not clear. Andy Goodman, Mickey Schwerner, and James Chaney, from Queens College Andy who I knew, during this time— So, so just to finish my point, I was moving my attention a little bit towards focusing on developing myself as an educator and pretty committed to my student teaching. And the reason of my hesitance is when I look back on it, I can't believe I would stayed so focused and didn't take the other road. But, for example, Andy did. He was older than me. I guess I must have been a junior, but I was younger and he went to Mississippi and I really wanted to go. And 'til this day, and especially in this voting cycle, I have often said when people say, \"You're so involved, you're so passionate,\" I say it's because I'm doing it for Andy because he couldn't.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3301.0,3375.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And I feel like a lot of my life and what I've chosen to do happened because of that. Cause he came to Mississippi to ensure voter rights and face the voter suppression, which is still going on fifty years later. But I was, I wanted to go, but I was, my parents really pressured me not to go. And not because they weren't committed to the cause, but because they didn't want me to die. And I think they had intuition about it. And I often, although I was mad at them at the time, I often look back and say that's why I'm here.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3375.0,3418.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah, definitely that I— that is great intuition on their part. I mean it was a fairly dangerous activity to, to be involved in that way, but for those who did participate, we were also very lucky.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3418.0,3431.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And— Oh, go ahead please.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3431.0,3433.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: No, I was just— it's, it's like so eye-opening for me to, to hear you say that, especially in this week's climate and today's climate, in terms of voting rights. Yeah, so.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3433.0,3448.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: What I wanted to add, and I don't know where it fits in, but fast forward to, I don't know how many years ago now. If I graduated '65. Five years ago, I went to Queens College and had not been back there since I graduated.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3448.0,3469.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Oh, wow. Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3469.0,3470.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And I was invited because it was my fiftieth year reunion. And although I lived here in New Orleans, I decided to go. I hadn't gone to other reunions, high school reunions or a sorority, but I felt moved to go. And I'm so glad I went because they gave us, they treated us like royalty. I had never walked the stage because I didn't— because of my political and social activities during the time I was there with the Student Help Project, et cetera, I didn't graduate on time in June to walk the stage. And so I took summer classes at NYU and Stony Brook to get my courses and I got my diploma. But fifty years later, I got my cap and gown and those of us who came to the reunion were really treated like royalty. And we got to walk first before the graduates and they stood up and clapped for us. And that was amazing. And the keynote speaker devoted the, his speech to Andy Goodman, to the memory of Andy Goodman. So yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3470.0,3561.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: That's really spectacular.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3561.0,3566.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And, oh. And I stayed in a dorm at Queens when I went five years ago and at the time there were no dorms, so that was really something.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3566.0,3575.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah, definitely awesome treatment. Yeah. So just thinking on some of the reflective questions that we can ask, where have you been in your life and your career wise since Queens College?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3575.0,3594.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: So my first job was in an all-white, suburban town school. I moved out of my home and lived in that town and they were— it was on the bay and they were fisher people, and a whole different group of people than I had ever really known. But it was my first assignment and I took it. I wanted to work in the city schools, public schools, but at the time there was an abundance of teachers, which is not the case right now. And I couldn't get assigned to an inner-city school and so I took this one.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3594.0,3645.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And I had to drive, you know, out on Long Island on the highway. But I moved out there because I couldn't stand that life and, and was part of the community. I got a lifetime teaching credential from New York state, which I have framed. But boy, I— it could have gone a different way, but it didn't. Anyway, I realized in that year that this is not my path in that form of teaching. And so I, I don't know how I found out about it, but I received a fellowship from the Department of Defense, I think, it's hard to believe. But, hold on one second. You almost finished or no, [inaudible].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3645.0,3700.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Okay. And me too, I keep getting bumped. Hope you get in. Me too. Yeah. Okay. Oh, so I got this fellowship and I went to Hofstra University and they paid me to go. I got a stipend for my living expenses and I got my Master's in Education. And one of my teachers was one of Sid's colleagues, so it was a very meaningful, I— it was on educational psychology and that shifted my perspective to, you know, more of the needs of mental health of students and special needs of students. And that was a wonderful year.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3700.0,3757.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And then I came back and taught one more time in a suburban, mixed-age classroom, really to hone my skills. You know, I, I felt like I needed to hon— hone my skills as being a classroom teacher.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3757.0,3779.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3779.0,3780.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And then, but I wasn't satisfied. And so, my path was so lucky and so wonderful. You— probably, we don't have the time for all the pieces of it, but I had the good fortune of being hired at Bank Street School of Education in Manhattan, which was a little progressive school, downtown in Greenwich Village. But it was such a successful model that they got lots of funding and built a beautiful building uptown right near Columbia.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3780.0,3818.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And it was a partnership with Teacher's College in Columbia. And I was a classroom teacher of the most outrageous and wonderful fifth, sixth and seventh grade, very diverse classroom. It was extraordinary. And I did that for a couple of years and I thought my path was going to be, to be a school administrator or do research in education, cause I knew that the forms that I saw were not what I believed in. I mean, Bank Street was a model for it, but it also was private. You know, with lots of scholarship money, but still. And then my life circumstances changed and I wound up moving to Vermont, to a regional high school where I taught work study skills to working-class kids who lived in rural Vermont. But taught them work study skills and interviewing and resume and career development. That, later on fast-forward maybe forty years, became a lot of my most meaningful life's work.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3818.0,3904.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: I was a career technical educator in the last chapter of my life as an educator. I left Vermont and moved to California. And I didn't have a teaching credential in California. It took me about fifteen years to be credentialed in California because, in between, I raised a child, who herself is an extraordinary educator, who just got her Ph.D. from Johns Hopkins in education leadership. But I took a very circuitous path away from education.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3904.0,3950.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: I worked in the corporate world as a technical educator and a manager of a technical education division. Always related to education, but not in public schools. And then when my daughter was graduated from high school and got into Berkeley, I no longer felt like I had to do all these other things to make sure she was, you know, her education was paid for because it was no longer free.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3950.0,3981.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: So then I went back to teaching and I called Sid Simon, who I'd been in touch with and had him kind of inspire me and get me back in. I had already gotten the coursework, but not my credential yet. And so the only thing I could figure out to do was to start at the very beginning because I didn't like what I saw about education. And I became a Montessori preschool teacher to see how it starts at the very beginning and a form that I really believed in, with emergent curriculum and more child-centered.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=3981.0,4026.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And from that my daughter started a charter school that was project-based. I love project-based learning because it reminded me of the Student Help Project. We built a skateboard park, we built a community garden. We built a lot of playgrounds, all the things I had done fifty years ago. And, and then I took a break because I helped my parents make their transition and pass on. And I came back—\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4026.0,4065.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Oh, I think— sorry, I didn't hear that last piece you said. After your parents.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4065.0,4071.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Oh, can you hear me?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4071.0,4072.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4072.0,4073.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Okay. I, I said, \"What am I meant to do? This might be my last chapter as an educator.\" And I got a credential in career technical education, and I wound up working in an alternative high school as career counselor for youth who are formerly incarcerated or teen parents, who wanted to get a diploma. And so I really, I, I designed a course called \"Life After High School,\" and I helped them transition into being adults. And many of them are still my students and, I mean my friends, and that led me to my volunteer work, which has been in the area of criminal justice reform and voter rights.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4073.0,4137.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Okay. And to ask a little more specifically, what sort of, maybe activist skills, professional skills have, do you think the Student Help Project gave you to succeed in, in your career path?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4137.0,4152.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Well, it gave me a sense of the power of community. It gave me a concrete, viable model for community organizing for project-based learning, for hands-on education, for the, the support of, being part of an organization to fulfill one's own vision and join a bigger vision and make an impact. So here, in Louisiana, I've joined a group called Together Louisiana. So all of the life choices I make, in how can I make a difference, is all found inside of shared vision and community engagement and, and friendship. And, and connection even through Zoom. I mean, a lot of the work I did on voting happened on Zoom, like it's inconceivable. But, you know, just the Student Help Project opened up my eyes and heart to the Black community.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4152.0,4247.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: And when I look at the things I do with my daily life, I kneel for almost nine minutes every day with a group of people to remember what happened to George Floyd and to raise awareness that Black Lives Matter. I have done canvassing in low-voter turnout neighborhoods amongst the Black community. I moved to the possibility of going to Georgia this time and doing the voter engagement that I didn't get to do in Mississippi fifty years ago for the runoff that will happen for the Senate. And yeah. I live in a diverse community. I choose that for my— chose it for my daughter and now for my grandchildren. And it really put a focus to my life.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4247.0,4314.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. It definitely sounds in everything that you shared, that it undoubtedly really changed the way you thought about social change and how you lived your life from then. So the last question I'll ask, and a little specific, and I think it's very timely, in what ways has the Student Help Project experience influenced your outlook regarding race, race relations in the United States today?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4314.0,4342.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Wow. Well I'm, I was more naive then and more idealistic and I'm glad I was. It's harder to feel that way now. I feel much more aware, much more awakened now. It's more painful now. I mean, seeing the inequities was painful, but I believed I could impact it. Now it seems like a much bigger reach. I'm sadder about it now, but also determined in a different way. You know, I'm not as able to go out and put my body down on the line like I did at the marches and all, but I still get out in the streets. I still hold my Black Lives Matters sign.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4342.0,4409.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: I still work for the candidates who I feel will have the power to make the difference in race relations. I'm very glad at the moment to be living in New Orleans with the mayor we have, who I feel very hopeful about doing specific things to heal that. A place where I watched them take down monuments, you know. I at— interestingly enough, because of my daughter being the educator she is, has gotten me involved in reading, \"How To Be An Anti-Racist,\" \"Me and White Supremacy,\" and I've taken it on as a course of study and for personal development. And I'm honestly quite shocked that me who I thought was everything I thought about myself has so much work to still do.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4409.0,4468.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Right. And these, these are fantastic the— what you're referencing fantastic publications that have become more public since George, George Floyd's death in June, since the protest in June. But definitely, always feels like there is more work to be done and more learning to be done.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4468.0,4485.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4485.0,4486.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Yeah. Alright.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4486.0,4487.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Even more than I felt at Queens College. I thought I knew it all.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4487.0,4493.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Definitely. And is there anything else you'd like to add before we end?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4493.0,4498.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Oh, just how grateful I am to you for your work and trying to uncover this and for sharing it with the young people in the future. I'm so happy to know that Queens College is a place I can really be proud to say I'm, I'm an alumni of. It's had me feel more connected to my friends from those times and to the memories, and it'll hopefully fuel the work that we have to do in the future.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4498.0,4530.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: And Fern, I'm so grateful for you to take the time out of your day and meet with us and have this conversation. So yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4530.0,4538.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Thank you. I look forward to seeing the results.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4538.0,4541.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Great. And I'll be in contact with you over email.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4541.0,4544.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Okay, good. Yeah. Best wishes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4544.0,4545.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nVictoria Fernandez: Enjoy your day. Yeah, you too.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4545.0,4545.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643/transcript/21087/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nFern Kruger: Yeah, you too. Alright, bye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/32804/file/101643#t=4545.0,4550.48"}]}]}]}