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By making this recording, we both consent to the use of our names, voices, images, and likeness by the Queen Public Library, understanding that this recording will be the property of the library and will be used in connection with the promotion and marketing of the library, its programs, and services. It will not be sold by the library in any way. We understand that we will not receive compensation and agree to hold the library harmless from any claim arising from the use of this interview and recording. So thank you for being here, Ken.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2.0,38.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Thank you for having me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=38.0,39.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Alright. So we're going to start with the question of, did you grow up wanting to be a librarian, and why or why not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=39.0,46.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: No, it was not something I thought of as growing up, although I do have a memory of my school librarian who used to read a story. She used to do story time and she'd light this red candle [laughs] and it would be like a story time candle that she would always light when we did that. So I have some nice memories of the library, but I was mostly the kid who went and ran around and was probably told by the librarian, \"stop running around the stacks\" and stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=46.0,77.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's fun. It's fun to run around library [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=77.0,79.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, now I'm telling kids to stop running around the library [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=79.0,82.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right, full circle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=82.0,84.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yup.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=84.0,84.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: So since that's the case, how did you get into wanting to be a librarian? Was it something that came up in college or later in life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=84.0,90.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Well, I had a bachelor's in English literature—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=90.0,95.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Okay—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=95.0,95.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —and I didn't really know what I wanted to do, I was going to—more interested in taking classes and reading books, and I was spending a lot of time at the library. I would check out old movies and just go and sit and read. And I had a friend from high school, and she was a librarian at Syosset Library, and she just suggested it to me after I graduated and was kind of having freakouts about, \"what am I going to do with my life?\" [laughs] And she suggested it. So I took a class with, it was an introduction to the fundamentals of library science with Professor Hess [phonetic] at Queens College and it was— I liked the idea of it, that libraries are places that hold an accumulation of all of our knowledge. And obviously a library doesn't have every book and everything like that, and then there's the internet now, but the idea of it, that this is just a place where the things we know, you can go and you can find out what we've learned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=95.0,167.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: So I like that idea a lot. And so I just took that one class and then she brought in a whole bunch of other librarians, like Nick Buron, who is the chief librarian here now—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=167.0,182.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Oh, great—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=182.0,182.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —at Queens Library. He was working in the YA [Young Adult] department, I think, back then. This was over 15 years ago. And he came into the class and he started talking, and she had a bunch of other former students who were in the library fields come and talk about what they do. So it was a very interesting class. And yeah, I went from there and I enjoyed working with kids, so I went down the Children's Librarian road.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=182.0,208.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Awesome. Is that something that you had to decide early on in the program? Or kinda just—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=208.0,213.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, I mean you had to pick which way you were going to go and then you would take a bunch of YA and children's book classes and then or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=213.0,221.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right. And this is at the Queens College—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=221.0,222.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: At Queens College the GSLIS [Graduate School of Library and Information Studies]—[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=222.0,222.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —library graduate school? I'm also a student there, yeah [laughter] GSLIS, yup.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=222.0,228.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah. Okay, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=228.0,229.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's great to know. I love the legacy of that school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=229.0,232.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, no, it's a—[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=232.0,233.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —it's a nice place to learn about this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=233.0,233.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —it's a cool place, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=233.0,235.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Well that's great. I'm glad that you found out through your friend, like you said, that's a nice way to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=235.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, it was a good—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=240.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —figure it out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=240.0,242.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: It was a good fit. I mean, I don't know if I was going every day to the library, but I went a lot. And so it was a good suggestion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=242.0,251.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=251.0,251.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And it worked. And I get—as a Children's Librarian, I have a lot of creative freedom. I'm lucky that I'm the only Children's Librarian here—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=251.0,262.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Oh, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=262.0,263.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —because some, like Central will have, they have like three or four—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=263.0,267.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=267.0,267.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —so they'll have someone in charge of the department there and here I get to just, I don't want to say do anything I want, but any ideas I have, my manager's pretty cool with me trying them out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=267.0,279.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's awesome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=279.0,280.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Kids, you don't have to be as serious with kids as you do with adults [laughter]. Adults want to be taken seriously [smacks table for emphasis] but kids, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=280.0,289.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: So do you feel like your time at Queens College and your degree coursework prepared you for this role?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=289.0,294.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: I feel like it did. I mean, I did a lot of—I worked at the Rosenthal Library, I think?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=294.0,301.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=301.0,301.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Is that the Rosenthal Library?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=301.0,303.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Oh, so do I [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=303.0,303.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, I was a page there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=303.0,305.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=305.0,305.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Which it's a pretty awesome job, especially if you—I enjoy books, so as a page, you're just putting all these books away. It's like, \"oh wow, I wanted to read this. I heard about this one.\" I'm like—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=305.0,318.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right. Self-selecting while you're doing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=318.0,319.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, selecting while you're doing that, but that was a very fun job and it's a really huge library. So I learned how to use the Library of Congress system and I would like to still do that now [laughs] if I had time, I would totally just do that on the side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=319.0,333.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=333.0,333.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Because it was very fun. And I worked at a homeless shelter library in the city. I can't—it was downtown. I don't remember exactly where it was now. They were just trying to reorganize their library. 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I know some of my other friends who were librarians, they came and they said they did not feel ready to be a librarian. And I feel like [pause] it's not a super hard job [laughter]. It isn't. But I don't know, I felt ready when I got out of college. And we also, some other colleges, they don't have, the 309, is it 309? That's the last class that you have to take to write the paper?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=358.0,389.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: 709, they're calling it? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=389.0,389.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: That's what it is, yeah. I feel like they're doing them a disservice by not doing that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=389.0,397.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=397.0,397.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Right? It's like they pay more money to go to this class and they don't have to do as much work and then they get the degree, but then they come out and they don't feel like they're ready to actually be a librarian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=397.0,407.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: I could imagine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=407.0,407.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: So, I mean, I thought it was good. Maybe it could have been with the experience I got from those other jobs too, but—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=407.0,416.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right, the experiential learning on top of the coursework—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=416.0,418.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, I mean that's definitely important. But I mean, you have to learn the OPAC [online public access catalog] system, which isn't that difficult, if you understand computers, which you really kind of have to [laughter]—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=418.0,435.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=435.0,435.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —to be a librarian, and then it's basically customer service.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=435.0,442.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=442.0,442.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Just, what I like about this job is that [pause] while it's not lifesaving or anything like that, it gives an opportunity to just help someone out, like in a little easy way, make their day a little better by being nice. And even if you don't find what they're looking for and you're still nice and kind to them, they're like, you tried and, I don't know, it makes the world a little less ugly place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=442.0,470.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: I agree. I think that's really well put.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=470.0,472.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=472.0,473.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: It's just those daily interactions—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=473.0,474.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=474.0,474.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —it's what we're after. And so is this your first job right out of college after your—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=474.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: As a librarian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=480.0,481.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —library degree?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=481.0,482.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Actually, Nick Buron had, when he came, there was a scholarship that they paid for grad school and then you worked for the library. And I'm like, \"that sounds great!\" And it was actually for a Children's Librarian and YA Librarian. So I'm like, \"I'm going for this.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=482.0,505.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Perfect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=505.0,506.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And there was one spot available [unclear], and they actually, I had to work at Queens Library to do it. So they gave me a job at, well, then again, I applied for a job [laughs] as an Activity Assistant and I worked at East Elmhurst.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=506.0,521.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=521.0,521.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: [pause] I can't remember [unclear]. The manager was Johnnie Dent. She was really good. Okay, you know what? So, that also helped too, because I was working doing that as well. So I was working as an Activity Assistant coming up with, at East Elmhurst, they had a Catholic school down the block and literally after school, like 50 kids would march over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=521.0,548.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=548.0,548.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And they would be this huge homework help program there. So I was helping those, doing that. And then once I [pause] I didn't finish, I think I only had 709 left, and then I was an intern or maybe this happened before then. I don't remember the exact order [laughs]. I was an intern also at Central. And I worked in Government Docs, and I worked in ILL, in Interlibrary Loan department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=548.0,581.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=581.0,581.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: I don't know if you've seen the government, I don't know if they still have it, the Government Docs in the basement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=581.0,587.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: I haven't, but I might—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=587.0,588.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: They have—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=588.0,588.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —make a trip to the archives soon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=588.0,590.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, no, you should. I mean, most of it's just books of numbers and things like that, but there's some interesting gems down there, just all these old documents that they've kept for years and years and years. Okay, so maybe I was being unfair saying, \"oh, college prepared me.\" I did a lot of—got a lot of experience with the internship and then I was [pause] part-time at Sunnyside Library until I graduated and then they put me here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=590.0,625.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's fantastic. And was this a goal of yours to get to a certain area of Queens? Be placed in a certain place? Or just—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=625.0,632.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: No, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=632.0,632.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —wherever it ended up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=632.0,633.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: No I was living, I was actually living in Sunnyside when I was working at Sunnyside, so that was the nice little—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=633.0,639.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Nice. That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=639.0,639.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —walk down the block. And then, I wasn't—they just put me here and I didn't really have a specific place I wanted, but it was, I think what I heard, I don't even know if, I may have met her once or twice, but we've never actually talked, the Children's Librarian who was here before me. But what I heard was that she kind of ran out of steam, didn't want to be a Children's Librarian anymore. I think she switched to Adults.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=639.0,666.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=666.0,666.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: So it's very quiet when I first got here [laughs] and it was very interesting. 'Cus I was like, \"wow, this is my Children's Room now,\" and I get to make signs and do all this and put up whatever. And I made, there are pictures somewhere, they're gone now. But I had a whole little, this little koala bear coming out of a \"Welcome to the Library: Children's Room\" sign. And I had a little dragon board up there that I made out of cardboard boxes that had—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=666.0,696.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's awesome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=696.0,696.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —things happening at the library. Yeah, so I got to—I went out to the schools. It was [laughs] when I first started, I was doing my story time. There was one kid who was coming and it was very funny because it was like the mom was very nice and I don't know if she was coming, 'cus she was like, \"oh, I can't not come because we're the only kids\" [laughter]. But they came for a while and eventually— I got a pretty good crowd now. I try and mix up my programs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=696.0,734.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=734.0,736.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: So it was nice being in this area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=736.0,738.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's great. What year was that again, that you started here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=738.0,740.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: 2007.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=740.0,742.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Awesome. So you really got to make it your own over—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=742.0,743.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, totally. I mean, they did renovation, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=743.0,748.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: It's a beautiful space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=748.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: It is nice. It's nice. They're gonna—well, one day they'll renovate it again and then the Children's Room will be in the basement, which is where it was originally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=750.0,757.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=757.0,757.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah. I'll show you some pictures of the old library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=757.0,759.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Oh, that'd be great. Thank you. Awesome. So on that topic, what would a day in your life as a Children's Librarian here entail? What are your responsibilities or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=759.0,770.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Well, I've heard say from [pause] Jillian's [phonetic] not in charge of the Young Adult, the Children's Services anymore, she's doing something else now, but she said a lot different librarians have different strengths—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=770.0,790.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yes [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=790.0,791.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —different fields. So I would say [pause] collection development, is probably my weak spot and I'm very lucky that I have great colleagues who really helped me out with that a lot. I'm definitely a stronger programmer and just customer service. I do my best on the collection and I try and keep up with it. And there's sometimes when I'm not doing as many programs where I'm like, okay, I could do this and that, but then sometimes I'm doing so many programs that I don't have as much time to keep up with it. But like I said, I got great colleagues who helped me out with that. So a day would be, like today, I had—we did a toddler movement program, which is for ages two to four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=791.0,842.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And this is kind of an experimental one where I'm just, it's not a story time, it's like there's no chairs. We're literally walking around in a circle and I give 'em instruments and we do some dancing. Some try sharing and learning about directional words, put this on top of the chair, put it under the chair and things like that. And we just started with a homeschooling group, a chess club, which I had at 11 o'clock. So it was kind of a busy morning, usually after a toddler program I don't have anything else. And then from one to two, I answer emails or prepare for programs. Like today at 4 o'clock is game day. Started doing an art lab program, which is kind of a whole bunch of different art stuff as well as music. We give 'em instruments, we do some painting, do some drawing, and just talk about what creating is. So there's—I try and mix it up and otherwise I'll get bored and won't want to do it. And then 3 o'clock, 2:30-ish, the kids come in for homework help. It's been slow. I feel like it has been very busy for the past couple of weeks, especially with homework help. We have a lot of third graders in the same classes who come. So I have some volunteers who have been helping and then usually a program at 4 o'clock and then we take a break and then it's 6 o'clock, time to go home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=842.0,938.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Well, that sounds great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=938.0,939.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, it's a fun day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=939.0,941.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Is there a specific age group of kids that you enjoy working with the most?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=941.0,947.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: I like all of them. The young ones, the toddlers are fun, 'cus they're very into it and smiling. I'd say my biggest fans would be second and third grade, like when I'm doing my storytimes, or maybe first and second grade. I went—I have costumes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=947.0,970.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=970.0,970.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: When I was, yeah, I think it was the first year I was here and it was Halloween. And I'm like, \"I kind of have to dress up.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=970.0,974.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=974.0,976.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Right? I'm like a Children's Librarian, I was like, \"I need to do this.\" Even though I didn't really, for many years, I didn't really dress up for Halloween. And then I have a whole slew of costumes now and I have a turkey outfit, and they do a \"Turkey Trot\" at this library. So I go and I dress up as a turkey and run around, and it's like the first and second graders are like, [imitating children] \"oh, a turkey!\"[laughter]. But then you get to like, the third and fourth and fifth [graders] and they're like, \"why is this guy dressed like a turkey?\" [laughter]. So for them, I don't know if this has anything to do with being a librarian [laughter], for them, I would—it was just walking around the block over there. So for the fourth and fifth graders who were just like, \"what is this guy?\" I would just hide behind cars and jump out and scare them [laughter]. And that was fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=976.0,1022.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Keep 'em on their toes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1022.0,1023.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Keep 'em on their toes! [laughter] Don't know what to expect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1023.0,1026.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Don't grow up too fast [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1026.0,1029.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, so I'm—my hope is it gets more people interested in coming to the library.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1029.0,1033.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yeah!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1033.0,1034.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And then sometimes it does. And then, before the pandemic, it was very crowded. We'd have the tables were full and there'd be kids sitting all over the floors, and we haven't really got up to that level. Some days it's been almost like that. But then there was a snowstorm this week and then the past couple days it has just been very quiet. Which is, it's always like you know, it's really busy and then it gets quiet [lowering voice] and you're like, \"what happened? What's going on?\" And you start to feel like, \"what did I do then?\" Right? But I've learned over the years to just enjoy when you get a break.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1034.0,1071.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right, the ebb and flow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1071.0,1073.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1073.0,1073.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's good, that's good. So, I mean, speaking of the pandemic too, is there, in your experience, have you noticed the library adapting to the changing needs of the community? Especially with the kids, you know, online learning and things like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1073.0,1088.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, I mean the [pause] I don't want to feel like a politician who doesn't answer the question [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1088.0,1096.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: It's okay [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1096.0,1100.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: It was very difficult over the pandemic. I didn't have an online presence. And especially with the families at the library, some librarians already have Facebook groups, or whatever, where they contacted parents like that. So they had a way to contact, I had like no way to contact anyone. So it was very difficult. We were doing programs, we were doing online programs, virtual programs, some with the library, some you try and do yourselves, which is exceedingly difficult because there's just very little way to contact them. And the rules were, like for story time, \"oh, they can't be visible.\" There was very weird rules. So, we did come back and then, they are still doing virtual programs now. I have a very bad taste of virtual programs [laughter] that I just can't—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1100.0,1155.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: It's an adjustment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1155.0,1156.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, but it's also—it was a pretty bad experience the way it was being done. So I was just like, I don't want to continue to do it. I'm like, people are here now, and it's a lot of effort to go and to try and do that when I don't know who I'd be reaching out there. So maybe that's the wrong way to go about it, but that's what I'm going about it. So as far as, I feel like, well, we just had our hundredth anniversary, so I feel like for that, I really reached out to the community, like a lot of going around and talking to different businesses. And I'm already in touch with a lot of the schools, but I feel like we're trying to do more with the community. Maybe that's why more people are coming back. I mean, there's still people who come who haven't been back to the library since we reopened. And there's now that we're getting kids for my toddler programs who've never been to a program before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1156.0,1219.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1219.0,1219.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And this is like their first time out. So, it's definitely an experience and an adjustment, especially the kids who've never been around other kids and they're like two years old already, and now they have to go and they have to share things and they have to do—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1219.0,1236.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Definitely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1236.0,1236.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: So it's a challenge for them, and just to get them accustomed to being in a library and being around other kids. Yeah, I lost my train of thought.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1236.0,1252.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: No, that's great. I mean, I've always appreciated that about libraries too, being the social gathering—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1252.0,1256.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1256.0,1256.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —point. And especially—I know that was complicated during the pandemic, so I'm glad that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1256.0,1263.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: It's coming back, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1263.0,1263.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —like you're saying, it's coming back here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1263.0,1265.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: I mean, it's twofold. When I first got here, like I said, it was a very quiet library. So there was one particular customer, we won't get into [laughter] the details, but he was very upset when I started getting kids in the library, because then started getting naturally getting noisier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1265.0,1281.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1281.0,1281.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And I can't tell you how many conversations we've had about doing something about the noise and it's just, there is no like—[crosstalk]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1281.0,1292.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: It's a shared space, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1292.0,1294.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: It's just like, if this room is full of kids, it's just going to naturally be loud.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1294.0,1297.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1297.0,1297.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And I'll go around and tell people to be quiet, but it just becomes a naturally loud library. One day, eventually the kids will be downstairs. So he stopped coming. He stopped coming to the library [laughter]. I feel bad about that, kinda.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1297.0,1312.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Well, it is for everybody! [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1312.0,1314.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: But that was—it's part of also making it a community center—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1314.0,1318.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1318.0,1319.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —and being like, \"hey, this is a place for people to come.\" And there's really not that much of those anymore that you can go and not have to pay or not have to buy something. That's the other thing I like about the library, that anyone can go here, which is I suppose a double-edged sword in some ways. We've had some trouble-customers on occasion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1319.0,1341.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: [Knocking noise] Right [laughs] definitely. But that's great. Thank you for sharing that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1341.0,1347.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1347.0,1347.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: And I guess, on the point of libraries serving as community centers, in your perception, recently, how do you think the public is interpreting the services that you've been putting out? I know you said you're doing a lot of programming with the kids. Like is it—are people giving feedback in any sort of way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1347.0,1365.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, I mean [pause] people are so busy these days, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1365.0,1374.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1374.0,1374.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: So, there are people who used to come to the programs, but now their kids are older and they're doing karate and basketball and tennis and everything that they could possibly do. So it's like, \"oh, we don't have time to go to the library anymore.\" Which is cool, I dig that. I mean, what's interesting about being a librarian is that you—being a Children's Librarian, you see these kids grow up before you. And then they stop coming. Sometimes they visit and come back. The fondest memory, maybe, possibly, is these two twins, Jennifer and Maria, these two [laughter] these two very little girls, and they were coming to my toddler programs and I just remember seeing them one day and they were like, their heads were over the shelves right here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1374.0,1425.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Aw!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1425.0,1425.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And I'm like, \"oh my god, you guys are getting so tall!\" [laughter] And now their little brothers and sisters still come and they come every once in a while. But I think one of them is married and living upstate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1425.0,1437.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Wow!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1437.0,1437.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: So it's wild to see that change. And I mean, I think people, going back to the community center thing, sometimes there's been programs I do, and whenever you start on a program, especially if it's a new program, you got to consistently do it and keep doing it. Otherwise people, like if you only do it for one day, it's like, \"oh, nobody came.\" Which I have plenty of programs where nobody comes to, but you got to keep doing it in order to get them there. And it's got to be consistent, otherwise—and then there's always a person who's like, \"oh, I wanted to come, but Tuesdays are no good for me.\" And I'm like, \"oh, that's the only good day.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1437.0,1478.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1478.0,1480.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: I do guitar lessons. We were very lucky to have the school next door. They donated us like, 10 guitars—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1480.0,1487.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1487.0,1487.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —of which 8 remain [laughter] and they're kind of falling apart, but the kids can check 'em out. And I do like 4 weeks of lessons. But Tuesday's really the only day I can do it on. [Quietly] Maybe I can change the days [laughter]. Well, I've been doing it on Tuesdays and some people are like, \"oh, I want to take it, but I can't come on Tuesdays.\" And I was just, I'm doing an adult program, a creative writing. And this is probably the most frustrating thing about programs, and maybe this ties into being community centers, getting the people who want to come to these programs to know that this program is happening—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1487.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right, the outreach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1530.0,1530.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —when it's happening. And I email schools and I email local representatives and things like that, and I tell people about it when they're here. But I was just speaking to a mother who was here the other day, and she's like, \"oh,\" she saw the creative writing, which I'm like, I've had some people come, but it was like there was some where no people came for many of them. And I'm like, \"I know there's people in Woodhaven that write—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1530.0,1556.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1556.0,1556.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —and that do creative things and that would want to come to this, but it's difficult finding that person. So, I got it next week, I think, we'll see who comes. So, [unclear] yeah, sometimes I think I'm not going to get anyone for the program because I haven't had for weeks, and then some people come. Or then, some people who've never been into the library, then I'm like, \"hey, do you want to do this?\" And sometimes it's a matter of—[laughs] sometimes I have a program and there are people in the library, but I'm like, they're not here for my program and everybody's doing their own thing [laughs], and I'm like, why am I going to be like, \"hey, come and do this?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1556.0,1596.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: But sometimes, they're not here for it. I'll be like, \"hey, why don't you try this?\" Because they're not, sometimes they look like they're intentionally here to maybe do homework or write a paper or whatever it is. But if they're just doing, playing games or something, I'll be like, \"oh, why don't you do this?\" So I pull 'em over. We did a spelling bee the other day, which is [pause] spelling bees have been tough. I've actually, when I first started, there was a thing throughout Queens Library, Tatiana [phonetic] was doing a big spelling bee contest and we would all do it. And so we had like one or two, and then the winners of that one would go to the main one in Queens at the main branch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1596.0,1638.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Oh, cool!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1638.0,1639.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, I don't know, she hasn't done that again since the pandemic, I don't think. But I was still doing the classes and sometimes I would get 10 or 15 kids there, but then it just dropped and people weren't coming for it. So I just try and do different things, like I would get a dictionary and say, \"okay, I'm going to tell you a word, and you have to find in the dictionary and find what it means.\" And sometimes kids are here, I'll just be like, \"hey! Try this, try this, and you get a prize!\" So, I mean, there are definitely programs that people are like, \"oh yeah, we like this. We come to it.\" And then there's programs people will be like, \"ooh, I wanted to come to that, but I can't, 'cus it's that day.\" And I'm like, I dunno, I can't just change a program just 'cus you want to come to that—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1639.0,1684.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1684.0,1684.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —and then maybe you wouldn't even come on that day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1684.0,1687.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: The struggle [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1687.0,1689.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: It is. It is a struggle. That's probably the hardest part. But if I—I mean, I've really built up my toddler programs and I get anywhere from 10 to 25 families depending on the weather [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1689.0,1701.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1701.0,1702.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: It's the weather. Yeah, it's been a buildup. And then it gets to the point, do I need to start registration? Registration is a whole other thing, man [laughter]. It's just then you get people who sign up and they don't come, and then new people come who didn't sign up, are there, it's a big mess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1702.0,1723.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That sounds like people are coming though. That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1723.0,1725.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, people are coming. Some programs, I get a lot of people who come for it, some people, programs, I don't get anyone to come for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1725.0,1730.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: And do you sort of plan your programs around what you're seeing people coming to more often? Or is it just like you said, you try to diversify—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1730.0,1737.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, I mean—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1737.0,1737.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —the topics?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1737.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —I try and change it. We just started a roleplaying games one, which is Forbidden Island and Dragonwood games, like roll dice and cards, and things like that. And sometimes you get a lot of people and you're like, oh, people like this [laughing] and then the next time nobody comes and people are busy, they're doing things. And I feel like the library is, for most people, it's probably their last—[laughter] like some people—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1740.0,1767.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yeah, I think we're a little biased [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1767.0,1768.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, it's like, \"ooh, let's go to the movies, or let's go to the park.\" Or they're having this big event here or there. But I mean, it's a nice job to have and I try and do different things. Some programs, it's like I only do it once a month, so if you miss it—we do karaoke and a lot of people, that varies. Sometimes I have 2 people, sometimes I'll have 15 to 20 people, but before the pandemic—it also depends. We had a group of school kids that all love to sing, so it was really, we had 30 people coming for karaoke when we were doing it then. And now it's just some kids, they're coming, they're singing Spider-Man [laughs]. And the Frozen song, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1768.0,1817.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1817.0,1818.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah. Movie nights. We did movie nights and they were very popular in the beginning. Like for Frozen, we had 80 people!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1818.0,1828.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Wow!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1828.0,1828.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And all the little girls just started singing, \"Let It Go\". It was like this whole room had come to sing like, \"wow, this is crazy!\" But then I don't know, either people don't know about it or the times are hard to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1828.0,1846.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1846.0,1847.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Because it's either 3 to 5, or maybe 4 to 6, and then we're very short staffed. So then a librarian has to be down there for the whole time. We used to pass out food too, but they pretty much don't let us do that anymore. Yeah, I think a lot of it is just like I'll be out, and walking in, I take walks in the neighborhood, and you see all these people, you're like, \"I've never seen you at the library, I've never seen you at library.\" But if everybody came that didn't come to the library, it'd be crazy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1847.0,1886.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1886.0,1886.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: So, double-edged sword.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1886.0,1888.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1888.0,1888.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: People—it definitely goes in waves, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1888.0,1891.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1891.0,1891.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Sometimes it's very busy—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1891.0,1893.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —the seasons, I'm sure, too—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1893.0,1894.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah. And sometimes—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1894.0,1894.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: People have more time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1894.0,1896.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —kids just need more homework help. Sometimes they can do it on their own. Parents are busy, vacation's coming up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1896.0,1904.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yeah, right. Next week already.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1904.0,1905.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1905.0,1905.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: And so do you notice kids are coming in here mostly for those kinds of things? Like programs and homework help? Or are they renting books?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1905.0,1915.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, I mean, we definitely have some kids who come and take out piles and piles of books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1915.0,1923.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yeah [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1923.0,1923.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Some kids just come for homework help and then they leave when homework help is done. I try and get them to stay. \"Hey, we got a program,\" but I'm like, the parents like [makes beeping noise] and I'm like alright, they've got things to do. But sometimes they stay for programs. And the art lab [pause] was over when we were doing the 100th anniversary. We did this program, which [laughing] is actually a mini version of this thing I do outside the library with a poetry group I'm with. So it was basically music and prompts and drawing and painting and some writing. I've tried so many writing programs [laughter] with the kids [pause] it's difficult to get them interested in that, especially because they're still learning how to write.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1923.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And some of the kids who come for homework help, they're still a little far behind. So we kept it to drawing, painting, and simpler things like that. But they seem to have liked that. We were supposed to do one on Tuesday, but we were closed for the snowstorm. So we have one left and then I'll try and develop it more. We're going to work with some people in the neighborhood when one of the fathers who comes to the toddler program, he's a drummer. So he came to that first art lab and I had a friend who was a DJ, he came. And then we're going to try and get the local historian, he's going to talk about—we've got a lot of—so this library just turned a hundred and there's a bandshell and a carousel up in the park over there in Forest Park, and they're about to turn 100. So we're probably going to try and do something for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=1980.0,2035.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Crossover event. That's nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2035.0,2036.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Crossover event [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2036.0,2036.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yeah. Very cool. That sounds exciting!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2036.0,2039.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: It should be fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2039.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yeah. So I guess on that point, what are your hopes for the future of this library, or Queens Public Library in general, but also this Woodhaven branch?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2040.0,2051.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Well, we did bury a time capsule that we're going to dig up in a hundred years. So it would be cool if someone finds that, I don't know how that's going to work. I don't know who's going to tell them, \"Hey, it's a hundred years.\" [laughter] \"Dig up the time capsule.\" Maybe they'll look back at the records if we're still here. I mean, they say they're going to renovate and move the Children's Room downstairs. So right now we've got a hallway downstairs that we use as a haunted hallway on Halloween.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2051.0,2086.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: [laughs] That's fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2086.0,2086.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Which is going to be gone, unfortunately, when they do the renovation. But we've probably got a couple more years left, so that'll be sad to see that go [pause]. The Children's Room downstairs, I like being up here on the main floor, 'cus I help adults too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2086.0,2105.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2105.0,2105.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And it keeps things interesting. I imagine if I was downstairs, it would be kind of quiet at certain points, very quiet. 'Cus there wouldn't be any, adults wouldn't be sitting down there, and then there'd be kids, but when they would leave. So that'll be a challenge when that happens. Yeah, I hope the library continues to be a relevant service for the neighborhood. I mean, definitely things have changed with the internet, but there's still services we offer. We get a lot of people for the English class, which we just had the registration for that yesterday, and toddler programs and it's just a good introduction. It's a cool place. Going back to what I like about libraries, is it's a cool place that has all these books here and you can get everything for free. So I mean, hopefully it will continue to be used. I know they want to lessen the shelf space, so there'll be less books and things like that. As you can see, we don't have that much shelf space right now [laughter]. We've got books all over the top, so—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2105.0,2181.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: And is that something that was suggested to create more workspace? 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But I think also just going with the changing times that people aren't as interested in checking out books or movies. But I mean, people still do checkout books and I think it's almost like, not starting from scratch, but it's like there's always—I mean, I'd say that's why a little more interesting in working with kids, it's like there's always new kids coming. And there's new adults coming into the library as well too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2193.0,2229.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2229.0,2229.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: But it's like when you see a new family and they become library users, so that's always exciting to see. And [pause] yeah, I mean, who knows what'll happen and how we'll be able to reach out to the community in the future? I mean, I feel like since the 100th anniversary, I've been reaching out more to the community. We've talked about doing a local artists and musicians, we're trying to get set up. So I've been speaking with one local band and a local artist to hang their paintings and the band will come and play.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2229.0,2270.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2270.0,2272.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: If things work out, we might be able to get them paid. So that'll be nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2272.0,2275.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Even better [laughter]. That's really cool. Yeah, I like the way that you're thinking about, with bringing—is that your personal, it seems like your personal interest in music and everything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2275.0,2286.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2286.0,2286.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: But also bringing—is that something the community responds well to when you have those sorts of programs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2286.0,2292.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Well, okay, so we do it on Thursdays at 6, and it gets dead [laughter] at this library at that time. But people are here and some people enjoy it and some people come for it. I mean, this is more of a chance to give the local people who haven't really been out there a chance to come and play somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2292.0,2318.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2318.0,2318.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And the artist, it gives her a chance. And the hope is that people will see that and be like, \"ooh, I want to put my art there.\" And then get the community more involved in the library. Fingers crossed. We'll see what happens. I know a couple of artists in the area. I guess I'm a little worried that we will run out of people [laughter] who will come. But yeah, I mean that is, again, being a Children's Librarian, I can put a lot of things that I have interest in doing, and do that with the kids. So over the summer we do a movie-making program—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2318.0,2358.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Cool!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2358.0,2358.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —because I like messing around with movies. So we've been doing that maybe since I've been here. We were a little more risque in the beginning [laughter] when we first started, but they're all fun to do. And I used to always have a big crowd for that. And the past—since the pandemic, it's been a little smaller group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2358.0,2384.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2384.0,2384.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: So, we'll see what happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2384.0,2386.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Do you have regulars? I know you mentioned before there's some kids that you saw growing from—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2386.0,2391.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Oh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2391.0,2391.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —very young.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2391.0,2391.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: We definitely have regulars who come a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2391.0,2395.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2395.0,2395.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Sometimes they come for programs, sometimes they just come to do whatever they're doing. So it goes back and forth about [pause] who comes. It's interesting being in the library, you can not see someone for six months. It's like, \"oh, hey, how's it going?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2395.0,2416.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2416.0,2417.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And then they come back and then they start using the library again for a little while, then they disappear. And so it's interesting. There are definitely people who come a lot, though. The guy who's a drummer, John [phonetic] and his daughter, Ada [phonetic]. They come almost every day probably.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2417.0,2433.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Oh, that's great. 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Obviously we all know that's part of our everyday lives—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2437.0,2451.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2451.0,2451.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —but is this something that you're going to look to integrate more into the library or just see how, what the community needs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2451.0,2461.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: You mean like, computer classes? Or things like that? Or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2461.0,2464.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Or, yeah, I guess for kids, just thinking about how they're interacting with the space. If they're not really checking out books as much, if it's maybe appealing to them in a different way, like eBooks or audiobooks, things like that. 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I guess I'm assuming kids are coming here to research [laughs] that's probably—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2503.0,2507.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, I mean, some of 'em come to read [pause]. As far as doing more computer type programs, some of it is beyond me. 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One has a work order on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2548.0,2556.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yeah, it's difficult to have—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2556.0,2557.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, so—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2557.0,2557.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —a lot of kids for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2557.0,2558.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —and then downstairs we have a computer with a projector, and I could be like, okay, here's Code.org. But it's like if I get one kid, it's like, \"okay, you can do this.\" But if I get five kids, then we all have to take turns.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2558.0,2572.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2572.0,2572.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And it's also stuff they're probably already doing in school, and more guided, and more of it. So I'm discouraged from trying that on my own. If we had a presenter to come in and do it—but then, also, we've had some robotic classes here before and they have some interesting—before they even do anything with the computer, they do a bunch of arts, I wouldn't call it arts and crafts, but models, that they do with sticks and paper and things like that and be like, this is how we're going to build a computer program, and they do it on the paper. And then the next day they'll build a robot or something. But there are certain things as a programming librarian that I can do. 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And maybe it was on the wrong day, but it's like I can only—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2641.0,2651.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: You don't have a crystal ball [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2651.0,2652.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, exactly. 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I was doing the role playing games every week, but people weren't coming [laughter]. And then it's like, maybe one kid comes and then you got to get off the desk and go downstairs or do it up here. I try and be flexible with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2666.0,2691.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2691.0,2691.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: But there are—okay, I do a chess club, and I enjoy teaching kids chess. And we do this program, we have Program Partners for, it's like a volunteer program for teens—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2691.0,2706.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2706.0,2706.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —where they can come and just help with a program. So, it might be a math help program, or a chess club program. So they teach kids to play chess. And what I found about that is in the beginning of the school year, maybe September, I get a ton of kids, and then they don't come from October to April.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2706.0,2731.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2731.0,2731.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And then May and June, and usually in the summer I get a lot of kids. So I'm doing these programs and I'm like, if I have volunteers, I'll really be able to do this. Then I could have volunteers for each one. But then you don't have anyone. So I was doing a reading help program [pause] which I've just turned into an extra help up here. 'Cus it was like, some days I would have a lot of kids, and I can't sit and read with each one of you. So I have to do a group reading program. And then they're on different levels. And maybe that's—sometimes I've tried to level, kindergarten, first, second grade, but even then, they're still on different levels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2731.0,2770.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2770.0,2770.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: So I mean, we do the homework help and we do extra help and people have been coming to that. But the actual program where I would do reading help and I'd even tell the parents, I'm like, \"hey, you should come to this, so we could practice reading.\" Sometimes they come. But then, it's just me, and I can't sit down and read with them. So I mean those are challenges to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2770.0,2794.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right, the practical concerns.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2794.0,2796.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah. What was this question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2796.0,2799.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: [laughs] Oh, we were just talking about the future of—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2799.0,2803.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —of libraries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2803.0,2803.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —the library and everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2803.0,2804.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, I mean, so I would say, [unclear] programs—I try it, and if no one's coming—and again, it varies. Some days I'll have 15 kids and then the next time there won't be any kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2804.0,2819.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2819.0,2819.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: So, and it could be because people are expecting like, \"oh, I thought this was going to be one-on-one reading help.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2819.0,2824.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2824.0,2824.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: And again, if I don't have the volunteers, like over the summer [claps] we do that a lot more. And I usually have enough, sometimes I have more volunteers than I have kids at the program [laughter] and then I have to come up with jobs for them to do. So yeah, if a program's not working, I'll try something different. I would say also, if I get bored of it—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2824.0,2845.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2845.0,2845.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —or tired of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2845.0,2848.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's a good rule of thumb, mindset [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2848.0,2849.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, it's like if I don't want to do it [laughter], I don't know. I've tried to do these storytimes, and for my story—the storytimes for older kids, which was kindergarten to second grade, but it's like, people—and it could be I'm not pushing it hard enough, and telling people about it. Like, \"hey, come in for storytime,\" which is in two weeks I guess. So I got to advertise that more. I mean, I think a lot of it is, I could put signs up and I could tell people, but I got to tell the people who are at the library and being like, \"hey, this program is happening.\" And usually if I do that, I get people to come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2849.0,2893.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: That's awesome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2893.0,2894.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: So yeah, we'll see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2894.0,2896.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Very nice. Well thank you for sharing that. And I guess I'll just ask you one final question, if there's anything else personally you'd like to share about your experience or anything we haven't talked about? [pause] No pressure if not [laughs]. Or closing thoughts?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2896.0,2913.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Closing thoughts [pause]. I feel very fortunate that I have been able to do this job and in this particular library. There's a nice park up there, so I get to take a walk over there during my lunches. And I wasn't—I would say being a librarian made me a little friendlier person [laughter]. I wasn't the type of person who would smile or go and talk to people before this. But approaching people, asking them if they need help, has definitely changed me as a person. So it was a little added bonus of the job—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2913.0,2960.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yeah!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2960.0,2960.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2960.0,2964.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Any advice for a future Children's Librarian? Someone who's—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2964.0,2968.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, you know—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2968.0,2968.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —thinking about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2968.0,2968.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: —take your time setting the bar. Once you get to a certain point, people expect that [laughs] and try different things and try and put stuff you like in the things you're doing. So if you like it, you could at least explain to the kids, that they'll see you like it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2968.0,2992.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Right, passion shines through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2992.0,2994.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2994.0,2994.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: Yeah, that's great. Well, thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2994.0,2997.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Yeah, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2997.0,2997.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: This was really nice speaking with you. I will—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=2997.0,3001.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: How long did we go?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=3001.0,3002.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gianna Fraccalvieri: —stop recording.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=3002.0,3002.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815/transcript/67160/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ken Gordon: Alright, 50 minutes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1432/collection_resources/129016/file/241815#t=3002.0,3003.19347"}]}]}]}