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Starborn discusses his parents' roots in England and their move to New York after World War II because of his father's position as an international lawyer of human rights for the United Nations.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eRegarding his childhood in Parkway Village, Starborn recalls a strong, close-knit community in which he and other residents enjoyed weekend barbecues and other opportunities to socialize. He also reflects on how natural and commonplace it was in Parkway Village to associate with children who spoke various foreign languages and came from families of various ethnic backgrounds and religions. After attending the United Nations nursery school and kindergarten in Parkway Village, Starborn went overseas to attend British boarding school. Starborn remembers feeling homesick for Parkway Village while away at boarding school and that he maintained a noticeable American demeanor and American tastes in food among his British peers. Starborn, who went on to became an engineering instructor in England, returned to Parkway Village as a visitor in 2013. He describes the visit as both a happy and sad experience—happy in that it triggered fond childhood memories and sad in seeing that nearby stores and businesses from his childhood were no longer there.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003ePhoto: Parkway Village, Jamaica, New York - long view along parkway, 1952. By Gottscho-Schleisner Collection - Library of Congress Catalog, \u003ca href=\"https://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/gsc.5a21689\"\u003ehttps://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/gsc.5a21689\u003c/a\u003e, Public Domain, Wikimedia Commons, \u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=67997057\"\u003ehttps://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=67997057\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCC BY-NC-SA Contact digitalarchives@queenslibrary.org for research and reproduction requests.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source Metadata URI"]},"value":{"en":["http://digitalarchives.queenslibrary.org/search/browse/45903"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2022-06-22 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Foggy Starborn (Interviewee)","Dexter Fergie (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["1940s-2013 (temporal)","Parkway Village, Queens, NY; England (spatial)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSummary of Full Interview\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eFoggy Starborn speaks with interviewer Dexter Fergie about the years that he and his family spent living in Parkway Village, circa late 1940s to late 1960s. Opened in 1947 and located in the Kew Gardens Hills neighborhood of Queens, Parkway Village was built to serve as housing for United Nations employees. Starborn discusses his parents' roots in England and their move to New York after World War II because of his father's position as an international lawyer of human rights for the United Nations.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eRegarding his childhood in Parkway Village, Starborn recalls a strong, close-knit community in which he and other residents enjoyed weekend barbecues and other opportunities to socialize. He also reflects on how natural and commonplace it was in Parkway Village to associate with children who spoke various foreign languages and came from families of various ethnic backgrounds and religions. After attending the United Nations nursery school and kindergarten in Parkway Village, Starborn went overseas to attend British boarding school. Starborn remembers feeling homesick for Parkway Village while away at boarding school and that he maintained a noticeable American demeanor and American tastes in food among his British peers. Starborn, who went on to became an engineering instructor in England, returned to Parkway Village as a visitor in 2013. He describes the visit as both a happy and sad experience\u0026mdash;happy in that it triggered fond childhood memories and sad in seeing that nearby stores and businesses from his childhood were no longer there.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003ePhoto: Parkway Village, Jamaica, New York - long view along parkway, 1952. By Gottscho-Schleisner Collection - Library of Congress Catalog, \u003ca href=\"https://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/gsc.5a21689\"\u003ehttps://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/gsc.5a21689\u003c/a\u003e, Public Domain, Wikimedia Commons, \u003ca href=\"https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=67997057\"\u003ehttps://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=67997057\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCC BY-NC-SA Contact digitalarchives@queenslibrary.org for research and reproduction requests.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Queens Public Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Queens Public Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/010/original/Aviary_QPLlogo_192x192.png?1578574261","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/295/985/small/Parkway_Village__Jamaica._LOC_gsc.5a21689_copy.jpg?1761316124","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - starborn_foggy_20220622_edit.mp3"]},"duration":2799.0,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/295/985/small/Parkway_Village__Jamaica._LOC_gsc.5a21689_copy.jpg?1761316124","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-queenslibrary.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/295/985/original/starborn_foggy_20220622_edit.mp3?1761314784","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2799.0,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Full Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e So first, thank you so much for speaking with me today. I really appreciate it. So, just to begin, can you tell me your full name and tell me where you were born, when you were born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=0.0,16.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, right. Well, I'm known these days as Foggy Starborn [née Kris Brand], and I was born in a nursing home in Bishop Auckland, County Durham. It's in the north, eastern England. It's not a nursing home anymore. And my mother was a wet nurse there. Two weeks later, cuz my dad was in a conference in Geneva, my mother went over to Geneva with me, and then when the conference was over, we went back to Parkway Village.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=16.0,55.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And, just, how did your family end up in Parkway Village in the first place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=55.0,63.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that's down to my father because he worked for the UN [United Nations] as an international lawyer of human rights specializing in minority groups. And that's about as condensed a title as we can make it [laughter]. It was all a family joke that he didn't have an easy title.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=63.0,87.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, yeah, it is pretty common at the UN to have those kinds of titles. And then how long did your family live in Parkway Village?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=87.0,100.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, obviously, they were there a few years before I was born. And I think it was, well, my father left about '67. I think that was it. So it'll be sort of like '48 through to '67 approximately.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=100.0,131.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And so—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=131.0,133.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e You can always tell—I sent you that list of, you know, where we lived and when.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=133.0,137.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=137.0,139.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e So if you want any final details, it's on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=139.0,142.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And, you know, you spent a decent amount of your childhood in Parkway Village. Can you tell me what that was like to grow up there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=142.0,155.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Gosh, the childhood [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=155.0,161.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e It was a while ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=161.0,163.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah. That was a while ago. The thing I remember most vividly, not so much the sense of community, but, you know, the feeling that it was actually alive. Because most of the times you could, you know, you'd walk to the shop or to the Dotties, to the luncheonette, or to Key Food or something, and you'd see people about, you know, and you could chat to any one of them and any one of them would chat to you. It was certainly very easy to make friends. You know, some of you shared the same schools. Weekends, there were lots of people with their coal fired barbecues. You got invited around to people's birthday parties. If you stood watch on a barbecue, you might get a free burger or a free dog [laughter]. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=163.0,239.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And what's your earliest memory of Parkway Village?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=239.0,247.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e [laughs] We moved house while I was at school [laughs], so I came back to a different—I think, [now that] you've got me going, the first thing I recall is discovering Dotty's [phonetic] Luncheonette for the first time. And then of course, all the American toys, the Wheel-o's, the Pez dispensers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=247.0,283.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And something that you've written about in your correspondence with me and elsewhere is just how multiracial, multicultural Parkway Village was, you know, like this deeply integrated community. And I would love to hear more about that, like, what that was like to be a part of that, you know, when you would've become aware of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=283.0,316.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Ah, yes. Well, yes, you've hit the nail on the head there because I distinctly remember the church. I've forgotten what it's called [St. Nicholas of Tolentine Catholic Church, clarified by interviewee], but next to the church, they had a gym and they had a teenage social club. So you'd meet a wide variety of people there, even people who didn't live in Parkway Village would come to it. I met a girl there who lived in White Haven, or White Plains, something like that. [It] was very north of New York. And culturally, I don't know if you're familiar with Peter Sellers, Mike Milligan—Spike Milligan—and The Goons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=316.0,364.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e What's that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=364.0,366.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know if you're familiar with Spike Milligan, Peter Sellers and The Goon Show.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=366.0,371.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm familiar with Peter Sellers, but I'm not familiar with The Goon Show.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=371.0,377.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, well, maybe you can look it up sometime cuz I remember there were some people at the social club who were very familiar with it, we put our heads together and tried to remember one of the skits and try to perform it. It was a total disaster, but it was terrific fun and everybody enjoyed it [laughter]. It was that kind of safe, secure environment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=377.0,415.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=415.0,418.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember when I was about four years old, I took this [girl] home, and her parents answered the door and I said, \"I'm going to marry her when I grow up.\" I think that's pretty much my earliest memory.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=418.0,435.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e That's really sweet. And you attended the UN nursery school and kindergarten, right? Do you— Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=435.0,445.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=445.0,445.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yeah. What was that like? What was it like to go to school with all these other people from around the world?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=445.0,455.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, my brother and sister were there as well. And as I keep saying, I didn't think anything of it. I mean, we were just kids together. We had story time. I had a very active imagination. We, for Christmas one year, we casted some candles in plaster. 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What was it like to have to leave the United States, which is where you'd spent most of your life, and of course your family, for the school year at least?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=508.0,522.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it must have—it was part traumatic and part, sort of like, all right because my father was friends with the headmaster. So they met up during the holidays, and then my parents left, and I spent two weeks with the headmaster and his family. So sort of like, I'd already made school part of my home before I actually moved in. But of course, I was homesick. And frankly, sort of during my teenage years, I was always very confused, apart from adolescent angst and all that [laughter]. It was sort of like, when I was in America, I was regarded as English, and I was sort of like homesick for England [laughs], and when I was in England, I was regarded as an American, I was sort of homesick for Parkway Village.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=522.0,572.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, of course. Of course. Yeah, and I mean, in the memoir that you sent me, you referred to yourself as one of Kennedy's children. 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No, I'm, yeah, I'm loving all these details and stories. Yeah. And so, yeah, I'd love to hear a bit more about this kind of dual identity that you were holding, especially when you were younger. Do you have any examples where you were just really confused about who you were, whether you were American or British?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=635.0,670.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I always felt deep down, you know, that I was British. I always wanted to go back. So, in 1969 when my sister was at Cardiff University, she had a flat, and having dropped out of high school, I went back that autumn and spent a few years with my sister. Being sort of pseudo dual nationality [laughs], it's more sort of like the remarks people make, or if I come out with an American—you know, when I say trash or garbage instead of rubbish, you know, [P.J.] for peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, which nearly everybody I know finds absolutely disgusting [laughter], but I don't. You know, and of course not to mention hot dogs, burgers, root beer, cream soda, Hostess Twinkies, sort of cupcakes with the white swirl on top, Red Hots. The list goes on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=670.0,755.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And so it's kind of in your language, in your tastes. 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I mean, the annual international festival was just, it was like this summertime festival where there'd be, you know, booths with foods from around the world and demonstrations of different, you know, national dances. And it was just kinda this celebration of different people's cultures. But, perhaps your family was outta town or something at that time. 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And, I sort of missed out on the Beatles first appearance on the Ed Sullivan show, but I did see that again on a repeat. Oh, I'll tell you one thing about sort of being American, English American. I watched England become Americanized. England didn't have dry cleaners. England didn't have supermarkets. England only had three television channels. We had 13, we had dry cleaners, we had supermarkets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=930.0,971.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. That is interesting. 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I don't know if you're familiar with them. We used to go there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1008.0,1012.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Where is this? What—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1012.0,1015.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e J-A-H-N apostrophe S ice cream parlor. I think there's only one left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1015.0,1021.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, no—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1021.0,1023.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e White Castle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1023.0,1024.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Gotcha. Yeah, no, I'm not familiar. But White Castle, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1024.0,1028.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Now you see that's interesting cuz, you know, in the sixties, we used to stay up and watch The Late Show, the late night show, late late late show [laughter], and we used to nip down to White Castle and get some burgers. And I remember one of my English friends just a couple of years back was asking me all about White Castle because he'd sort of like seen a bit of it in the film, but, you know, obviously he'd never been there. 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I can't remember the acronym, but I know what you're talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1080.0,1083.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So we have America in common. So we finally found the recipe for American pancakes [laughter]. Delicious. And American crispy bacon. 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Which, going off on a [tangent]—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1138.0,1169.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, please do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1169.0,1170.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e —the Empire State Building and the Statue of Liberty, they say in New York you'll only see these things twice. Once when your parents take you, and the second time when you take your children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1170.0,1184.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e [laughs] I had never heard of that before, but that's pretty apt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1184.0,1188.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Just thought I'd throw that in the mix.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1188.0,1191.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah, and so you've stayed in touch with a lot of the people that, well, other people that grew up in Parkway Village. Did you stay in touch before the Facebook group was created? Like, did you guys write to each other?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1191.0,1217.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, sadly, when I left, most of my Parkway Village friends fell off the face of the earth. 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They haven't responded. So all the people that are sort of like in the Parkway Village gang are sort of like post-sixties.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1259.0,1289.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Gotcha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1289.0,1294.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e But as you can see from the exchanges on there, you know, they're still pretty tightly knit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1294.0,1299.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that does seem to be the case. I haven't spoken to too, too many people yet, but more of the people that have replied to me with interests are, yeah, from like the sixties or even the seventies. So, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1299.0,1319.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'll tell you what, I'll give my sister a nudge, because as I said before, you know, she's three years older than me, and her memories are a lot clearer. 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Yes, it was, oh, [fun].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1341.0,1353.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Pardon me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1353.0,1356.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm just leafing through my filing cabinet cuz I can't remember exactly when it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1356.0,1362.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Gotcha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1362.0,1364.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e A few years ago [pause]. Right, okay. The date was 2013.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1364.0,1405.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And what was that like to return?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1405.0,1411.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I went there with Andrew, my elder nephew. He'd always wanted to see Parkway Village because, obviously, his mother had talked about it quite a bit. And it was sort of like a happy, sad experience. It was happy because of the memories it brought back. I started remembering people's names that I'd forgotten for years. Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1411.0,1439.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1439.0,1439.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. I started remembering, you know, little events. For instance, back in the day, you could buy a chemistry set and it would teach you how to make gun powder. You wouldn't get that today because of health and safety. 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And then I dragged my brother along and lit it and scared the [wits] out of him, you know [laughter]. [Many] completely silly little things like that just came back to me. But then it was sad to see the pizzeria wasn't there. The ice cream parlor wasn't there. White Castle wasn't there. Parsons Cinema wasn't there. The luncheonette at the end of the village had turned into a Deli. That was quite a joyous—Dotties Diner looked closed down and graffitied. 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It was at a Christmas party and, of course, the Christmas tree was up, and there was all these ornaments, and I was really fascinated by the shininess of them. So I walk towards it, and I could hear in the back, \"Oh, look, he's walking. Oh, look, he's walking.\" But what I remember most was staring into a gold ornament and seeing my hideously distorted reflection [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1537.0,1569.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e That's incredible. That must be your earliest memory. So I would love to hear more about your parents. And so I know you've already written me their names, but can you tell me what their names were?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1569.0,1584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e George Albert Brand is my father and my mother, Florence Alice Yates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1584.0,1596.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e You've already talked about your, like, what your father did at the UN, but I'm curious to know how he, you know, as a British person ended up working for the UN.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1596.0,1612.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Well, he wasn't conscripted into the Army because he had cerebral palsy. So he's really quite a hero. And he became a lawyer. And they moved, during the bombing, they moved the school out of London into the countryside where he met my mother. And because he was involved in the law—I don't know if he had any associations with the League of Nations, but the work he did on the [Nuremberg] trials was kind of associated with the UN, I believe. I could be wrong about that. But it must have been a springboard in how he got in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1612.0,1677.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And when he got to the UN, you know, he spent a big chunk of his career working for the UN. Was—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1677.0,1685.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e He spent his entire life working for the UN.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1685.0,1689.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1689.0,1690.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e The top grades there are D-1 and D-2, and just under that is a P-5, which is where my father ended up. 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I don't know if I've got any—I did have a little pamphlet somewhere, but, no, not immediately visible. Again, this is where my sister comes in cuz she knows a hell of a lot more about it than I do. She had a very happy, healthy relationship [with] my old man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1717.0,1752.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And, you know, moving from England to the U.S. is obviously a really big deal. How did they, like, how did your parents feel about, you know, leaving England for the U.S.?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1752.0,1770.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think they were particularly that worried. I'm kind of guessing here, because Britain was going through the war and the post-war austerity, the rationing. Again, as a child, when I stayed with my paternal grandmother, I looked under the bed to see all these tins, you know. Oh, they're American. Del Monte. Again, only in later years did I realize that she was sending her food packages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1770.0,1809.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, of course. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's something that I've come across a lot [crosstalk]. 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I mean, but yeah, it's a very different place, especially in the post-war era, just, you know, U.S. is this place of abundance, whereas the UK was a place of rations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1843.0,1855.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e See, I have no idea whether it was a leap of faith or whether he'd actually been there before to know what it was like. I mean, in those days, you know, your job was your life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1855.0,1866.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1866.0,1867.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, and if you got a good one, you thought you'd died and gone to heaven. You know, you'd stay, and companies were loyal to you. If they wanted you to move, they'd give you a moving allowance, things like that, as opposed to the present atmosphere, which doesn't—not worth mentioning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1867.0,1883.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And what about your mom? How did she—what did she do in the U.S.? 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My mother rode a motorbike and was a courier between the listening posts and Bletchley Park.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1908.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=1920.0,1922.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e It gets even more interesting is because when I was growing up, she'd say, \"Do you want to know what the best kept secret during World War II was?\" And she told me all about Bletchley Park. She would, because I was into engineering at the time, still am, she talked a lot about the Enigma machine, [it's] got wires and gears and bulbs and lots of keys. So I grew up thinking that everybody knew about Bletchley Park, everybody knew about the Enigma machine. So a few years ago when that guy published his book in Australia, blew the lid off everything and the world was shocked, I was quite taken aback [laughter] cuz I didn't realize it was a secret. 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So that's what she did over in England. And of course, in those days, you know, husband was the patriarch, the wife was, put it in a nutshell, white goods. 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Nevermind which countries she was in, because she was actually studying for a degree when they met, and it was most unusual for a woman to be doing that. 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In many ways it was so more advanced and so more comfortable than the England of that time. And, I don't know if she met any of the fellow feminists in Parkway. Frida, somebody or other—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2045.0,2076.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Betty Friedan. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2076.0,2077.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Betty Friedan. But yeah, I think her difficulty was being a woman in an all male society and being a very intelligent woman in an all male society. And she would've had that conflict whether she was in England or America, but I think it was somewhat [easier] for her in America, especially in Parkway Village, you know, where people were just so tolerant of each other's beliefs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2077.0,2115.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And, well, what about your parents' friends? Like, do you know, or can you remember who they would've socialized with? Like, would they—were there particular families in Parkway Village that they were close with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2115.0,2133.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Everybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2133.0,2135.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2135.0,2136.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. The Queen was coronated in, what was it, '51, '52?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2136.0,2145.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2145.0,2147.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Now—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2147.0,2149.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e '52.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2149.0,2150.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, '52, it had to be cuz I was a year and a half old at the time. And you appreciate that day and age—televisions were extremely expensive. We had one. Oh boy, did we have one [laughter]. So the room was absolutely chock-a-block with ex-pats watching The Queen's coronation and they're all drinking wines. And at that time it was customary to leave a little bit in the bottom, which I as a one-and-a-half-year-old went round and [unclear]. My father said, \"You've gotta stop him. You mustn't be doing that.\" My mother said, \"Oh, don't worry. He'll sleep like a log.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2150.0,2194.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2194.0,2195.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e So they put me to bed and ten minutes later I'm standing up in my crib, holding onto the edge, rocking back and forth going, la-la-la-la-la at the top of my voice [laughter]. 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I've never really had anything since.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2255.0,2302.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And in terms of the, yeah, like the families that your family would've been close with, were there particular regions of the world where there was like more of your family's friends coming from? 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But, you know, there was kind of, because you all lived in the same complex, when you went to somebody else's house, it was sort of like the same structure—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2440.0,2462.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2462.0,2463.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e —just sort of like a different way. So in a peculiar way, you were sort of halfway home. I mean, there are differences in the apartments. We always had sort of like upstairs and, as you know, there were basement apartments as well. They were sort of a different configuration, but they were still—they were all part of being in the village. Oh, I even had two girlfriends while I was in Parkway—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2463.0,2501.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2501.0,2503.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e —that lived in the village.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2503.0,2504.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And before our call, we were talking a bit more about—I think you used the phrase colorblindness. Like, you kind of, you know— Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2504.0,2522.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2522.0,2522.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. —you grew up in this, like, very, you know, cosmopolitan international space. And so, you grew up with, like, basically not seeing color. And I think that's really interesting because that is very different from how most kids would've grown up in that time. So I would love to hear more about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2522.0,2551.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's so natural. It's so ingrained, you know, sort of like, when I look at it inside, I think, well, you know, so what if they're Chinese, or they've got dark skin, or they've got curly hair, or even from Australia. It just seemed so natural and so commonplace to associate with children of different languages, different ethnic backgrounds, different religions. It's just, you know, and as I say, it wasn't until later in life when I realized that this was, well, dare I say it, unique. I [have] not known anything else like it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2551.0,2619.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e I used to be an engineering instructor at one time, and every once in a while we had to do exercises in equality, in diversity, to make sure you are being fair and objective and not [biased]. \"What is this shit? You are preaching to the choir!\" You know, it's just so ingrained. Sort of like—there aren't many, certainly in my [experience] in England, I haven't come across many ethnic variations, but when I went back to America, of course, there they all were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2619.0,2664.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, and I remember one incident in New York, I was sitting on a bench and a woman had lost a dog and was running down the street after it. \"Stop the dog! Stop the dog!\" And the person sitting next to me on the bench said, \"Oh, she must really love that dog.\" I said, \"Yes, [surely].\" I came back to this person and I said, \"I'm sorry [but she's eight blocks away and chasing the dog].\" Now what I've given you is a person to person interchange. I neglected to mention that she was Black. That's the way it works. I was speaking to somebody. [What I was trying to convey here, and failing dismally, is that while the eyes perceive the ethnicity, the heart does not. Intellectually and emotionally you are dealing purely with another person. Clarified by interviewee.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2664.0,2716.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And so, like, growing up in Parkway Village it seems really shaped how you see the world, how you see difference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2716.0,2730.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I think you'll find, you know, the more people you speak to, they'll say something among similar lines.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2730.0,2741.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Foggy, thank you so much for speaking with me. It was such a pleasure to travel down memory lane with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2741.0,2752.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I'm delighted you brought back [so much that I had] forgotten about that [era].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2752.0,2758.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And, yeah, and we'll be in touch over email, and if you wanna put me in touch with your sister, that would be delightful as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2758.0,2771.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah, sure. Well, I mean, obviously it's—this reminds me of sort of like being in maintenance. You solve a problem. Because you've solved the problem, you can see other problems. So we've had this conversation—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2771.0,2781.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2781.0,2782.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFoggy Starborn:\u003c/strong\u003e —and then you'll have your afterthoughts and things that you might want to pick up. You're more than welcome for another Zoom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2782.0,2789.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985/transcript/85611/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, great. Well, yeah, thank you so much for your generosity too. I just, I really appreciate it. And, yeah, and I hope you have a pleasant rest of your day as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/162514/file/295985#t=2789.0,2805.5"}]}]}]}