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Starting with the AIDS Quilt being brought to campus his freshman year, he touches on the series of changes that occurred on campus and within GLASA during the early 2010s, as LGBTQ students became increasingly welcomed and supported by their peers. As the club shifted away from activism, Samuel notes the increased emphasis on social spaces and equal access to campus spaces. He describes his own experience coming out as transgender on campus, as well as projects he pioneered to make socially transitioning more easy for students, including safe sex trainings. 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This is Dani Stompor. I am recording an oral history with—I'm going to ask you to share your name, pronouns, if you'd like, your title, the day and time, and where we're recording it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2.0,18.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Sure. My name is Samuel Nathanson. My pronouns are he/him. I am currently a Lead Editor and Producer at NBC Daytime. Today is March 19th, 2024. I am currently in New Jersey.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=18.0,39.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Nice. And we are recording this over Zoom. In addition to your current role, you're also the former Treasurer and President of GLASA [Gender, Love, and Sexuality Alliance] at Queens College. So I'd love to start this conversation, we've talked a little bit about the drag show as an event at Queens College. So I'd love if you could paint us a picture of what the drag show is, where was it? What was the room like when you first went?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=39.0,69.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, I mean, it feels like jumping the gun to start right at the show, but I had the idea for the show. I clearly had watched tons of RuPaul's Drag Race and had seen some local drag shows in the city and was like, \"We should do that. That is amazing. And we are a bunch of talented little queers and we should have one.\" And we were looking for something to raise money for a local LGBT homeless shelter for youth. And we were like, \"Oh, this is great. We'll collect tips and then we'll do a little\"—we did Auction Off a Date with the Performer, so when you performed you had the option to then be \"auctioned off\" to the crowd, and the highest bidder got to take you on a date. And that was very cute. I went for the most money in the first year. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=69.0,129.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: But it was very fun. The room, I forget what the actual room was called, but it was right off of one of the bigger cafeterias. It was a side room off of one of the dining halls or restaurants, I forget what the name was. And it almost felt like a mini high school gym, is the best way I can describe it. It's a big open room, and nothing. We set up a runway. We had these little risers that would make a stage in that room. We set them up in a big T-formation with the runway coming out on the stage, and then everyone sat in a semicircle around this big runway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=129.0,175.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: And I was like—I think I was treasurer at the time, not president—but I was like, \"I'm going to perform, duh, because this is my baby.\" And so I performed, I sang Jessie's Girl. I didn't sing. I lip synced to Jessie's Girl, which a lot of people at the time were like, \"What is this song?\" It was old clearly even for then, but I think I was into Glee and I was like, \"They look sexy doing it on Glee. Lemme see what I can do.\" And I remember performing and I felt like a rock star, and it was so silly and all of my friends and even strangers were cheering for me. And it was this big sort of wonderful moment. And then of course all my friends performed, everyone else in the club, and we raised a lot of money for the charity. It was a great event and I know it kept happening for many years after, at least the next five or so. I don't know. After that I stopped looking at the Facebook page, but that's as long as I think it lasted. But it was lovely and it was a great little—and on a side note, it was a little sort of mini trans awakening for me, but we can get more into that later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=175.0,245.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Do you remember what you wore that first year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=245.0,248.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, of course I do. So I did my first—not binding, but I taped everything down to the sides so I could wear a nice low V [neck shirt]. I had a white button up, only done up halfway. I had a black leather jacket, this tight, tight pair of jeans and leather boots, and this electric blue electric guitar, which I didn't play. I mean I barely played guitar, but I don't know why I still had it, but it was more a prop. I was swinging it around and it was very fun. And I cut my hair, I had hair kind of down to my ass and then I cut it to nothing the day before the show because it was just—I had long hair my entire life and I was like, \"I want something completely different.\" And I just cut it to this essentially boy's cut and I was like, \"It works for the drag show and I'll be this hot butch lesbian.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=248.0,313.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: I was going to say, how did that feel when you chopped that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=313.0,319.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: It felt great. Looking back on it, I was like, \"Duh, you dummy.\" Of course. All these things I'm just like, of course that felt great. I remember doing it on a whim. I made the choice the day before and I was out with a friend and I was like, let's go see if anyone will take a walk-in appointment for me and just chop it off at a hair salon. And we did. And I went to go visit my girlfriend at the time, she was a server at a restaurant and did not recognize me fully. We sat down at her table and she was like, \"Oh, Stephanie, who's your new friend?\" And then was like, \"Oh my God!\" My friend Stephanie said to her, \"Oh, who's your new friend?\" Pointing at me. And I'm like, \"Hello?!\" \"Oh geez!\" So it was very fun. And aside from the feeling breeze on your neck, it really felt sort of like a breath of fresh air is the only word I can really describe for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=319.0,380.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Awesome. So let's back up a little bit. How did you first arrive at Queens College in 2010?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=380.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: In the minivan my parents dropped me off in. [laughs] Yeah, I was one of the very few folks who was living in the dorm [the Summit] at the time. It was one of the second or third years of the dorm, it was still a very new thing. There were only 500 beds out of what, 20,000 students or something? So very few dorm students, but I was one of them who really wanted to get away from my parents. I live in Long Island and so we sort of rolled up. And I went to Queens College because I was accepted into the Macaulay Honors Program, so it was hard to turn down a free ride, and a laptop, and study abroad money, and all these things and it was like, \"Oh, let's go.\" I heard that there was a good TV and film program. There's a TV studio on campus. So that's why I chose the school and it was very much, like, it was close to home, so not too far, but far enough that I could feel a little independent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=390.0,451.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: And what led you to media studies as a major initially?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=451.0,456.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: I just loved tv. I really liked TV and movies and I wanted to make them. I know it sounds silly, but I think I always knew I wanted to work in entertainment from a young age. I think I wanted to be an actor and my mom quickly squashed my child actor dreams. She was just like, \"Absolutely not.\" And I was like, okay, what about behind the scenes? My high school had a TV studio I worked in, a very small, dinky thing. And I always kind of knew that I wanted to be a part of entertainment in some way and making and creating things. So it seemed like a good fit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=456.0,495.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Awesome. And then so you're on campus, you're living on campus, how did you then first encounter GLASA?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=495.0,504.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: It was the first thing I looked for before even—I made sure the school had an LGBT Alliance before I even accepted it as the one I enrolled [at]. And it was one of the first things on campus that I went to look for. I didn't even care about my classes. I was just like, \"Where is it? I need to know!\" And there wasn't even a club day, I just kind of went to see the room and go in, which I later found out it just was kind of an open lounge. It didn't matter if it was a meeting or not, people were in there every day and I was in there every day. But I remember going and just seeing, I think it was maybe a larger room at first and we moved to a smaller room, but [it was] just this place with so many rainbow flags and I was just like, \"Oh God.\" I think I saw it a little bit and then kind of lost my nerve and left and maybe came back for the first official club meeting day. And yeah, it was a great time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=504.0,565.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Had you been in a space like that that had that many sort of flags before, or was that sort of openly queer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=565.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: I mean there were maybe 10 kids in my high school who were out, if that. And we weren't far from the city, we were on Long Island, but it was still sort of felt more removed and there never really was a space that was queer that I was ever in. And so I think it scared me at first. Like I said, I ran away but then I came back. But yeah, it was definitely the first dedicated queer space I had ever been in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=574.0,603.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Were there any things that surprised you about being in that space with other queer people for the first time? Or a space that was dedicated to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=603.0,614.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah. Well, I mean I can talk about a little the first official meeting because I remember it was so welcoming, which I had not experienced sort of before. Most clubs in high school were like, \"Oh, you've got to prove that you're cool to hang with us.\" And it was a very weird vibe. But then this one was just, \"Great, you're here. You're a part of us. Congratulations. You did it.\" [laughs] No barrier to entry. It was always just like, I remember I used to hate when they made people go around and say their name and something fun about them, whatever. But they really like—the president at the time, Deb [Lolai], who was lovely, really wanted to talk to each person in the room. And then we got onto to me, I gave my little spiel and I was like, I don't remember what I said. But I remember what she said. And she was like, \"You're going to do things in this club.\" And I was like, \"What?\" [laughs] \"Good vibe about you. You're going to go places here.\" And I was like, okay, this is overwhelming positivity from this person that I had never experienced before. And especially in a place where it's like we're all just saying how gay we are and being like, absolutely, that's a good thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=614.0,692.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: And their name was Deb? D-E-B?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=692.0,695.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, their name was Deb. I'm not sure what pronouns they go by now. We haven't spoken quite a bit, but at the time it was she/her and Deb, D-E-B.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=695.0,705.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Awesome. And so in that meeting space, what did a typical meeting look like, what did you talk about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=705.0,714.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Oh gosh, I don't remember. Typical meeting, it's hard to say because they kind of blend and that's kind of a good thing. It ended up almost being a home away from home. And so the actual meeting time was just a place where more people were there. Sometimes we very vaguely talked about upcoming events, some budget things that we needed to get approved from the group, suggestions for events, basically anything we wanted to talk about. It ended up being pseudo-therapy for some people, but really, the meetings themselves don't stand out because eventually I just was there during every moment of my free time. It kind of just was like the lounge that I was in and it just was like, \"Oh, I'm not in class, I'm in there.\" I didn't go to the library, I didn't go to the cafeteria to hang out. I just went to that room. And we had couches, we had board games and it was just a great—we had a little library and it was just a great place to be. So that's why I can't remember the meetings, because everything was sort of just like when you're in the room, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=714.0,791.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: What sorts of things were in that library?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=791.0,794.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Oh gosh—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=794.0,795.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: If you remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=795.0,797.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, I mentioned—I'm going to mention being scared a lot because I think that was a lot of my early experience was seeing all these queer books and being like, \"Am I allowed to touch these?\" [laughs] \"This is dirty inside. This book has some things in it.\" It was a range of things. There was definitely history stuff. It was talking about queer movements through history and there were profiles, there were a lot of biographies from queer folks and then there was just some fiction also and then some not queer stuff in there too. It was just a library, and it was a donation based thing, so whatever ended up coming ended up coming. But yeah, just a mix of things. I hate to say I was more interested in the board games—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=797.0,851.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Fair enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=851.0,852.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: —than the books, it was kind of a way that we invited new people in. It was an easy thing to be like, \"Oh, just come play a board game with us. You don't have to socially interact in a way that is outside of rules. That's fine if you just want to sit and play with us.\" It was a great way to get people to kind of loosen up a bit and it felt like family game night every day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=852.0,876.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: What kind of games was it? Was it like Apples to Apples?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=876.0,880.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: There were your standards. Yeah, there was your Scrabble, your Connect Four, your Battleship, but my favorite was Betrayal at the House on the Hill.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=880.0,890.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Such a good game!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=890.0,893.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Okay, I will explain it just for anyone who doesn't know what it is. It is basically Clue meets Dungeons and Dragons meets—you're exploring a scary house and we fully embodied our characters. We each had ones we called dibs on and I remember it like it's a real memory, like so many times that the Vampire Hoard was going to get us and we were all backed into corners with our last shot in our revolver. I remember it's a real memory with my friends, all these three hour games where we're just [pantomimes heavy breathing] to fight for our lives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=893.0,932.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: It was very fun and I just played it a couple months ago with some new friends and they were like, this is amazing. We should play this more often. And I'm like, it's good game! It was so fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=932.0,946.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: It is an excellent game. So to that point of what we're talking about, of that space of GLASA as an opportunity to socialize, an opportunity to just get to know and meet people, different people that I've talked to have described GLASA as a social club, as a protest group, as an educational club. Do you feel that any of those labels describe GLASA or any combination of them or— yeah, I'm curious what your thoughts are, if someone were to ask you what type of club GLASA was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=946.0,988.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: I would say all three of those at different times and in different amounts. Because when I joined, when I was a freshman, it was much more like protest group, educational club about, like I said, there was a queer library and we had protests on the quad for various things. We had the AIDS Memorial Quilt and a Queer History and Learning and Remembrance kind of thing. It felt, I think it really depended on the time. I mentioned Deb, she was a great proponent of that keeping it sort of that protest group feeling or spirit alive and that was fantastic and I felt it felt very radical. And we probably weren't back then, but it was the first time I ever participated in something that was like protest, even adjacent, with some things on campus. I remember setting up tents in the quad to protest some homelessness issues and there were a couple of things that are fuzzy, but I remember very much being along for the ride. But the exact causes escape my memory right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=988.0,1068.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: But yeah, I think it changed over the four years I was there. It became less protest and more social/educational club and I think it kind of came with the time. I mean, I hate to put a pinpoint on it. Trans folks have been around since the dawn of fucking time, but a lot more people were coming out as transgender, which was not something that was happening earlier in the club. And there was a lot of \"What do we do with ourselves and what does that mean?\" And all of these—it was a need for education within ourselves and for the broader Queens College landscape. There wasn't even protests. It was less not accepting us because we were trans, it was more people being like, \"What is that?\" So there was, that was a shift I could see. And it just also was a social club. The drag show was lovely. We had a Safe Sex PJ party, which was a combo education and social event where we'd have someone come in and talk about safe sex education and then we'd have a pizza party and dance in our PJs. [laughs] Play Pin the Dick on the Hunk, all these silly things. But the important part was you had to sit through the safe sex lecture, then you get the party. You can't just come in for the party at the close, and then it's over. If you don't put the work in, you don't get the party. That was kind of what we were doing there and it worked. It was a hit every year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1068.0,1167.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Nice. I would love to touch on that later in the interview, but I want to go back to an event that you had mentioned, which was the AIDS Quilt being brought to campus. What do you remember about that happening? That would've been the fall of your freshman year, [2010].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1167.0,1186.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, it was definitely a heck of an introduction because it was fall of my freshman year. It was something I hadn't learned about in school. Maybe you'd see it in passing from a movie or—it was stuff that my parents didn't talk about was the AIDS crisis. And it was kind of my first real exposure to what had happened not that long ago. And just, yeah, I think, like I said, the protest—to call it a protest is not correct, but the activism rather is a great word for it— sort of way that Deb sort of ran the club it made sense with that, what we were experiencing in my freshman year. And I remember just thinking when I had heard about it earlier, it was something that was like, oh, that's so far in the past and it's nothing now. But then seeing it and hearing about it from the people who had experienced it, it was like, this wasn't that long ago, maybe 20 years at that point? And it was just like, that's not a long time. And it is just crazy how quickly it could get buried in society. And it was just a wild—I remember being in awe. That was kind of the, that's a weird word, just for something so sad, but just in awe of the magnitude of it and the fact that I was blind to it was wild to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1186.0,1282.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: So while you were—did you live on campus all four [years]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1282.0,1288.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: No, I lived on campus the first year and then I got an apartment within walking distance—the second year I got an apartment and I was in that apartment until graduation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1288.0,1297.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Nice. During the time that you were at Queens College, were there other clubs that you were involved with, or sought out?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1297.0,1307.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Not any that come to mind. I feel like there might've been, but there really wasn't anything that I was interested in. There was no—I was taking classes for a TV production and in high school there was a club for that. But yeah, I wasn't multi-dimensional really back then. [laughs] I was just like, this is where I fit. And I think I had a partner who was in, I think it was called Kiwanis, the service club, and then I went with her to a couple meetings because I was in love with her. [laughs] And I was like, \"This is super boring. Can we go back to the gay club? What is going on here?\" So I think I played tag along to other clubs and really never found anything that stuck as well as GLASA did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1307.0,1360.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: What made GLASA feel that sort of comfortable to you? What made it feel special?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1360.0,1368.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: I think it was a home away from home thing. The door was always open and that wasn't the case for a lot of other club rooms. It was only locked when the building itself was closed. A lot of other clubs were like, oh, we meet during this time. And then the room was just unused beyond that time. The decor really made it feel like a living room. It really was like a place we could come and hang out. And I don't know, just nothing felt like it was worth my time. [laughs] Why would I hang with you guys when I could just go to GLASA? And I had a lot of friends there and it was just, yeah, nothing really felt like it was—it's funny. When you're single sometimes, or at least I had this mentality when I was single, it's like, \"I love being by myself. And in order for me to date, you have to be better than me being by myself.\" You know what I mean? It's like if I'm going to be in another club, it has to be better than the feeling or the same as the feeling of being in GLASA. And that just wasn't the case. And it's hard to describe. I mean it's really, I know it's for oral history and you want to describe it, but unless you feel it, it's hard to know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1368.0,1454.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Yeah. Well, during the time that you were in GLASA, the name changed. It was originally the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Alliance and then it changed to Prism. Do you remember, can you walk us through what that process was like, why that happened?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1454.0,1476.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: I remember it and I wish it didn't happen. [laughs] It was bad. So the reason it changed was because it was the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Alliance and the literal president at the time was a trans dude. And we were like, \"What about me? What about all the non-binary folks that are coming? What about all the queer [people]?\" We're so much more than gay, lesbian and straight. There's got to be a better way to call this club than—that feels very limiting. And it was like GLASA: the LGBTQI+ Club. I was like, that's stupid. It says the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Alliance, we're putting those things first and then all these things second. So everyone kind of wanted to come up with a word to replace GLASA. GLASA was very [snaps fingers] GLASA. It was a very quick thing. And we wanted to be able to say it. And so it was Prism: The LGBTQIA+ Alliance. I was like, this is awful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1476.0,1533.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: It also sounds like prison, let me be super honest. So when we say it, it's like, \"Oh, are you going to prison today?\" And it's like, what the fuck?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1533.0,1544.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Oh no!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1544.0,1545.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: \"Oh yeah, when I was in college, I was in prison.\" Like no, don't say that! And so I see the writing on the wall, quite literally we have them on the wall. And when that was up, I was like, I said my piece, I was like, \"Guys, this sounds like shit, this sounds bad, but I will be overruled if the vote is this, it is what it is.\" And so I went with the popular vote and I regretted it every day afterwards because it just sounded awful. Is it back? Did they change it back to GLASA?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1545.0,1580.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: They did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1580.0,1581.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1581.0,1584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: GLASA now stands for the Gender, Love, and Sexuality Alliance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1584.0,1588.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: That's so much smarter. God, we're stupid. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1588.0,1595.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: I think it took them a while to find that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1595.0,1598.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: That's great. Gender, love, fucking duh. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1598.0,1605.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: So you were the president of the club and before that you were the treasurer. First off, why did you want to step into those leadership roles? I mean it sounds like you were spending a lot of time with the club, but the jump to leadership, what sparked your interest in that and then what was it like in those roles?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1605.0,1627.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, I think early on I kind of looked up to Deb and their partner at the time, Jen, were kind of the unofficial moms of the club. And I was like, \"I want to be that.\" I would love to have—looking back on it, this is not what I was thinking at the time probably—but want to have the kind of impact they had on me on other little queers coming in. I want to make this, keep making this a safe space and make sure that we don't lose all of the history of the activism that was in the club, but we take it in a direction that people want to go in as well with different events. And I think there was kind of a void. I ran unopposed, in every election I ran in, I was unopposed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1627.0,1677.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: But I didn't think of it as I had to do it. I was like, oh, of course I'm going to do it. It wasn't really, I didn't come up with a reason. I was just like that, of course I'm going to do it. There wasn't really a thought process behind it, it just felt natural, and people tended to gravitate towards me in the club room and I didn't understand why. I was like, \"I'm just a little weirdo. What are you doing? What is this?\" And people started asking me for advice and then when I came out as trans, it was like, \"Oh, you're one of the few out trans folks, I maybe am thinking about it, can you talk to me?\" I was like, \"Of course I can talk to you. Come on.\" So yeah, I fell into it. I didn't really pick it, but I'm glad it happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1677.0,1726.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: With those roles, both of those roles in different capacities required dealing with the administration of the college, what was that like? Do you have memories of working with admin?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1726.0,1743.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, the only admin I've ever worked with was John Carlson. We really didn't work with anybody else. And is it JC now? I'm not sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1743.0,1751.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: JC, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1751.0,1752.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Okay. JC now. JC Carlson. And they were fantastic at every turn, just made everything super easy and was like, here's the forms, what do you want to do? Just any idea that we had. They were like, absolutely, let's go and here's how we can do it. So a very positive force. And yeah, I think—oh, well I have another admin. I just thought of this. This is beautiful. I shouldn't have thought. But yeah, they were a fantastic, and made everything seem so simple. And I had other club presidents who were like, \"Oh, aren't you so annoyed against X, Y, Z?\" I was like, no, JC made it great. I don't know. The only other time I had to deal with school administration, and it was a profoundly negative experience, was when we tried to convert restrooms to gender neutral restrooms and had to deal with the janitorial and security side of Queens College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1752.0,1816.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Oof.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1816.0,1816.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: What was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1816.0,1817.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Just oof.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1817.0,1819.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah. Yeah. And it was, like I said, it was kind of the time when a lot of trans students were coming out and there was a big wave of trans folks and it was like, we want to make everyone feel comfortable and let's just fucking do that. And that just wasn't easy. We finally got one gender neutral restroom near the GLASA room, and so I was so thankful we got that one. But then it was like, this is one room, one restroom on this giant campus. This is not practical for non-binary trans folks to exist on this campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1819.0,1853.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: So we went around to, we did a restroom tour to try and find other restrooms to convert, and I remember standing in a men's restroom and they were like, great, there's a urinal on the wall and there was a stall, one stall, one urinal. They were like, great, all the guys can use the urinal and all the ladies can use the stall. This is perfect. And I was like, that's not the fucking point. That's completely not the fucking point. What is wrong with you? That's the literal opposite of the point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1853.0,1887.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: And then we tried to do, we could talk about it later, but a safe school training for Queens College security. And that went so poorly and a lot of it was just like this gross fear-mongering about like, \"Well, what if a man walks into the women's restroom?\" And I was like, I can't believe I'm dealing with this. Let's go. [laughs] So dealing with that kind of shit and being like, \"Are you talking about a crime being committed or someone who has to pee, which one?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1887.0,1921.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1921.0,1921.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: And being like, those are distinctions, so we can discuss that. Yeah, so that was my only other dealing with administration was those folks and it went very poorly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1921.0,1933.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: And this is actually an excellent complicated, transition to what I was going to next ask you about, which was, so during this time you mentioned that a lot of folks were starting to come out on campus as trans, that there was an increasing awareness of this. You are somebody who was also going through that experience on campus. As much as you feel comfortable and want to, what was that experience like of coming out as trans during that time in college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1933.0,1970.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah. It was— it felt like a boat with no paddle. [laughs] I'm sure I got the analogy is wrong, but it felt like I'm up the creek without a paddle. And I remember performing in the drag show and I remember immediately afterwards being like, \"That was the best I felt in my entire life. And that makes no sense. Why was that silly little show so perfect and so wonderful?\" And I immediately started looking up drag king shows in the city and I realized there weren't any permanent ones at the time. I hope there are now. Geez. But there were a couple of floating ones or troupes you could join that did shows in bars, but there's no permanent, there's drag bars, there's no drag king bars.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=1970.0,2023.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: And after a couple of weeks of looking, getting a little disheartened, I just remember being a little confused in general. And then I was, this was early in my sophomore year, and an incoming freshman Oliver arrived on campus and he was trans and he had come out in high school and he had started taking testosterone and changed his name and he looked like the fucking sun. [laughs] He was so happy, so beaming and just like, \"This is me, what's up?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2023.0,2055.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: And it was just like, oh, that's a thing I can be and do? That's what I'm going to be and do. I had never met a trans person in real life. Just being honest. I was sheltered and I didn't know it. You see these awful portrayals in TV, media, of trans folks at the time. And then to see an actual living, breathing happy person, I'm like, \"Oh. That.\" Like everything just clicked. And I took a winter class that—after the fall semester I took a class in a major that was not my own because I knew I would know nobody in the class. And I did a trans trial run. [laughs] I emailed the teacher and I was like, \"Hey, my name says this, but call me this and use he/him pronouns.\" And I bought a binder and I went to that first class and immediately people were like, \"What's up dude?\" And I'm like, \"That's correct. Hello.\" [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2055.0,2125.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Immediately there was acceptance. Clearly they were strangers, they didn't know what was happening in my brain. And it was just this wild thing. I was just like—to everyone in the room, it was nothing because I was just a guy who showed up and thankfully the teacher was lovely about it and didn't make any mistakes or misgenderings in the room. And I was just like, \"Can it be that easy?\" It was not, but it was easy for that. And I was like, this is great. I'm going to come out to everyone, friends, family. My mom took it the worst, but eventually came around and of course everyone at GLASA was very welcoming, accepting, but then there was classes that weren't as good as that first winter class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2125.0,2179.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: There was a teacher, the Media Studies teacher who ran the TV studio who I was a TA for. So a super close relationship with her. She didn't understand and/or wasn't trying very well to not misgender me and kept deadnaming me. And I kept being like, \"Please stop. Please, you have to stop.\" The students are confused also because they're looking at me and clearly I'm saying one thing and you're saying another and it's confusing. And she would show videos of previous students' work and we were all actors in rotation for each other. And so effectively outed me by showing last year's work where I was an actor and I was like, Jesus, surprise. So I was like, this is not, you need to stop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2179.0,2234.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Eventually she came around, she stopped showing the videos, but it was very clear that she wasn't understanding but was like, \"This is what you want. Okay, you're a great student and this is what I have to do to keep you around.\" And I was like, \"Thanks, I guess.\" There was another one, it was a drama class. I had to take an elective for something, like Drama 101, and I emailed the teacher beforehand and she kept misgendering me in the class, but this was, I don't know, a year and a half into T [Testosterone], you know. And I clearly had established my gender expression and everyone was like, \"There's a dude,\" but except the teacher kept misgendering me and everyone was just so confused, like \"What's wrong with you, professor? Are you okay?\" Everyone thought the professor was crazy. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2234.0,2285.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: So yeah, there were little things like that. And then for my senior thesis, I had to make one for the Macaulay Honors College, I wanted to do a safe space training video program, essentially. We had tried a couple of safe space trainings just with verbal presentations. We would basically send out email blasts and put up flyers. Like, \"Are you a teacher who wants to learn how to be an ally? Come to this thing!\" And [we] had a surprisingly big turnout. Like for the first one, there was 30 teachers who showed up just of their own free will, not being forced, and it was like, \"Oh, amazing.\" And so my video was basically like, \"What Would You Do?\" scenarios. So, having various students with different queer issues in a class, and there's a bullying scenario, there's a misgendering scenario, there's a couple of different scenarios and it was like, what do you think is a good response to this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2285.0,2347.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: And there would be a teacher doing it wrong and then we'd play back the same video and then the teacher would correct them, do it correctly essentially. And it was a really great tool. And we also did a sort of terms explainer video because like I said, this was a big time of [when] people just didn't know. And so it was doing a little glossary of, like an animation video of \"This is what being trans means, and it's different from sexual orientation, please stop thinking they're the same.\" And it was great. We had, I want to say maybe half a dozen trainings and each one there were anywhere from 30 to 50 professors who showed up. And we were teaching the teachers and it was a great thing. The only one that went poorly was the security one, but all the others went really great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2347.0,2396.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Those trainings—So you mentioned that professors attended them, sounds like some amount of staff attended them if security was there. Were there other folks involved in that process or were you leading that by yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2396.0,2415.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, I think that's why it ended up probably not continuing was because it was an initiative that I led and then there was no one to sort of pass the baton to, essentially. I left a stack of my DVDs and I was like, \"Keep going, kids. Here, you see, we're making change, keep trying.\" But there essentially was no other person. I think as adamant as I was about making this sort of big change happen, I think it sort of fizzled out. I do want to note the security were forced to be there. That was the only one that was mandatory. The security and janitorial staff were forced because we were going to install the gender neutral bathrooms and the administration, instead of—looking back on it, this seems awful—instead of finding actually qualified people to teach their staff about gender and sexuality issues, they asked me, a[n] almost child to do it. You know? So while I was glad to have done it, looking back, I'm like, wild, wild that that happened. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2415.0,2483.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: That is wild. But I guess it speaks to the level of impact that you were able to have just because the boat had no paddle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2483.0,2494.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, just rudderless and no oars, no paddles, here I go!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2494.0,2503.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: So I want to at this point hop over to talking about a couple of major GLASA events that happened while you were part of the club, the first of which is the Queer Prom, if you remember where that idea came from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2503.0,2523.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah. Again, the idea I think came from me. I think this was when I was treasurer. I remember going to two of them. I was looking back and just remembering how awful my proms were, my junior and senior prom, and there were even rules in place when I was a junior that you couldn't bring someone of the same sex as a date and they changed it for my senior year and you could, but there's only one person who did. And it felt like a very straight rite of passage that queer folks did not get to experience. And I was like, that's not fair. I want a do-over. So maybe it was just me being selfish and dreaming, but I was like, if I want this, there must be some other folks who feel the same way and who want a do-over. And at the end of the day, if they don't, we'll just have a party and we'll all dress up in fancy dresses and suits and it'll just be silly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2523.0,2592.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: It was not silly. It was wonderful. It was so much bigger than I thought it was going to be. I think we even ended up selling tickets because the more interest we heard about it, the more expensive the event ended up becoming. So we were like, \"Oh God, we have to do fundraisers and over a hundred people want to come to this thing. What are we going to do?\" So it ended up being in a very large, in the cafeteria, the biggest room we could rent on campus and it was a hit. We set up the silly nineties glitter backdrops where you could take the photo like the prom. We hired a DJ. We clearly, fully catered. Just this great time. It was like a high school dance+. It was a place where you could come and bring anyone you wanted and not be judged for it. And I think it warmed my heart. I saw, I think just before we reached out to do this interview, I saw there was the 10th Annual GLASA Prom and I was like, \"They're still doing it! I'm so happy!\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2592.0,2661.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: That's your impact! Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2661.0,2664.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: So it's like there it is!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2664.0,2667.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Yeah, that very much feels like the spirit of what the Prom continues to be. Something that I've noticed in attending is that not everybody who attends necessarily even identifies as LGBTQ. From the beginning, did you find that that was the case as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2667.0,2691.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, there were. There were definitely much less straight couples on the dance floor than gay. Who the heck are we to do the same thing that was done to us? It was like, no, I am never going to say you can't come party with us. If anyone clearly at any point showed any kind of animosity towards a queer couple we'll be like, get the fuck out. But if you want to come party, you should a hundred percent do that. And also, bisexual people exist, and who am I to tell looking at any couple that it's not a queer couple? Trans couples exist. Just because a couple on the outside may appear straight doesn't mean that they are, and I'm not going to judge that for you. If you feel queer and want to come party, come party.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2691.0,2741.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Fully agree. Yeah. One of the things I appreciate about the prom last year is that they had all of these sorts of pins or stickers or something, I can't remember what they were, where you could choose or not choose to identify, to put a label on yourself that day. And I thought that that was such a cool, in the spirit of exactly what you're talking about of come as you are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2741.0,2769.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Love. It warms my heart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2769.0,2772.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: You also mentioned earlier the Safe Sex PJ party. Can you get a little bit more into what that event was, what sort of information you would share during that event?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2772.0,2787.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, I wish I remembered the organization, but we had actual, I know we were trying to be adults, but we had adults come in and teach us. It wasn't a student-led thing and I was really sure to make that happen. I was like, \"Look, I'm going to Google some stuff and get everything wrong if I do this myself.\" I was like, \"We're going to do this right. We're going to have actually people come in and give this lesson.\" And it was I think from one of the queer health centers in the city, who came in and did the demonstration and it was so much more than your condom on the banana that you get in health class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2787.0,2826.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2826.0,2827.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: And it was very, and if you even got that, you were lucky in high school. And it was just so inclusive of all genders and bodies and what to do to keep safe in all scenarios. You got your classic dental dams and condoms and other things, but they were like—I remember the one thing that stuck was the presenter being very silly and being like, \"I know shower sex sounds sexy, but water is not lube and that's going to hurt, so you got to make sure you got your stuff together.\" I was just like, \"I didn't think about that!\" [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2827.0,2865.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: There are things you don't think about. And yeah, it felt good to have a, for lack of a better word, adult come and speak to us and not talk down on us. A lot of, I know high school health classes are always like, is it a demonizing sexuality as well? There was none of that. It was like, \"Who you are and who you love and how you love is great and wonderful and we're going to teach you how to be safe about it.\" And that message was wild.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2865.0,2901.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: That's so cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2901.0,2902.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, and I think I found them very recently, I think they're still in the cabinet—I made penis and vagina cookies and I still have the molds for them. [laughs] I remember graduating and one of the people who was a junior when I was a senior was like, \"Can you make the penis cookies again? They were really good.\" And I was like, you can bring them this stuff. I made them and handed them to them and I was like, go take the penis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2902.0,2927.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Nice. Do you remember, in terms of the pajama party element of it, what time was this event? Was this a late into the evening kind of event?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2927.0,2943.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yes. So we always went as late as the building closed, until they'd kick people out. It was always like, \"The building's open until 10, this event runs until 9:45. Congratulations. We have 15 minutes to just swoop it all up at the end.\" So maybe out by 10. And everyone also helped with cleanup. So yeah, I think it was seven to midnight or something. It was a crazy long event, however long the thing was open for. And like I said, we were nice about if you had work or something, but for the most part we were like, if you didn't attend the lecture, you don't get the party. It's the cookie for sitting through your vegetables, we're going to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2943.0,2989.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Nice. So you mentioned a couple of names before. I think Deb and Jen were two of the people that you mentioned as well as JC. Are there other folks that you remember being a significant part of your GLASA experience?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=2989.0,3008.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, I mean it was Oliver who was the first real-life trans person I met, that was crazy. The concept was wild. I say that because looking back, meeting my first real-life trans person at 19, that concept is what's crazy now to me, that that took that long. Anyway. I was really great friends with this couple, Geni and Catherine, they were also a \"straight\" couple, but she was bi and so she was in the club. No one even questioned anything. It was just like, \"Oh, great, come along.\" And Geni was straight as far as I knew, but never—I think it was my first interaction with a straight cis[gender] man who was just like, \"This is all wonderful and I love you guys.\" And I didn't expect to get that. [laughs] Just so wonderful about everything and supported me through my transition too and immediately changed the pronouns and was just like, he was a little snarky in a way, like, \"I knew it. I know what's up.\" You could have helped me! [laughs] It was wonderful. And then we stayed friends a little after college, and we moved apart so we fell apart and never had a falling out, but just kind of grew apart from them. I think they're still together, which is crazy to me to see. They were together in college and still together. They were lovely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3008.0,3110.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: I'm trying to think. I mean there were lots of girlfriends and boyfriends, but [waving dismissal, laughs] looking back they weren't that important. That's fine. They come and go. Yeah, those are the people who really still sort of stick as the important folks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3110.0,3133.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Were there any events that we've not touched on that you feel were of note that you remember in particular?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3133.0,3145.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Not really. We did the Day of Silence, which I even remiss bringing it up. When we did the Day of Silence was when I knew the protest era of GLASA was out, on its way out, because it felt like such a shit event, for lack of better word. It was just like, okay, we're going to protest by being quiet? I get the concept, but we're oppressed voices just oppressing ourselves. Can we not? It feels weird. And I participated because I knew the group wanted to. But yeah, so that was kind of, if anything, that was what marked the, \"Maybe we shouldn't be a protest group anymore. This is feeling kind of not genuine.\" But yeah, no, those were as far as good events though, those were the ones that I remember the most.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3145.0,3195.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Nice. So since graduating from QC, what have you been up to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3195.0,3201.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Great question. We will start with work. I've been working for NBC for nearly 10 years. It was the first job I got out of Queens College. I was an intern while I was at Queens College my last semester, and then they hired me right out of college. I was so blessed and so I've never had to job hunt and I dread the day when I do. So that's been lovely. I've moved up in that world. I started as intern and then I was a production assistant, then I was an associate editor and now I'm the lead editor and I have a little team under me, which is lovely and they're great. And I try to make my job as gay as I can, since we're talking about gay things. I always try to inject a little queerness into everything that I do, and it's been wonderful. In other aspects of life, I have a wonderful partner who I currently live with. He's fantastic. Since college, I have—\"fully transitioned\" is a fun way to put it, but I like to say I'm fully cooked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3201.0,3275.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: The eggs are done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3275.0,3275.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: They're done. Or actually they're still in there, but whatever. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3275.0,3281.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah. Oh, this is lovely to mention. This sort of goes with it. I started teaching, so I loved doing the safe school teaching so much in college that I sort of transitioned into doing it with, I can't think of their name—PFLAG! And how they go into high schools and middle schools and do storytelling-based safe schools training where there's a little vocab lesson up top and then we tell our coming out stories and where we are now. And basically I joined it because I was so offended from the fact that I met my first trans person 19, that I was like, no one else will have that experience. And I'm going to try and show kids that I'm trans and they can be too and all this great stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3281.0,3330.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: And a lot of the questions people would ask me, I was like, look, I'm an open book. The only thing you can't ask me is what my dead name was. But everything else, I will literally tell you anything you want to know. And the question I got almost all the time was, what surgeries have you had? And I was like, I gave the spiel. \"Since I am here in a learning capacity, I will let you know, but in general, please don't ask this to any other trans person. It's not polite to ask. But since for the lack of education, I will let you know I've had top surgery and I've been on hormone treatments now for 11ish years and I have not had any surgeries below the belt and I don't intend to.\" So I gave the reasons. But that's not to say that my journey is—I'm cooked. There's no A to Z journey for being trans and I'm happy with my body and how it is right now, which is a wild thing to say at 31. At 19, I was not that at Queens College. And now I'm so incredibly confident and yeah, I think I'm even realizing it now. I remember just mostly being scared at Queens College and I remember being afraid to be queer and afraid to come out in multiple ways and the group and everything made it so accepting that it contributed to the fact that now I am so confident and so willing to share and like, \"Ask me anything!\" And if you asked me 11 years ago to do this interview, I'd be like, nah, I'm good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3330.0,3432.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: But I've definitely grown in confidence and yeah, life is good. It's not what I thought it was going to be. I thought I was going to live in the city forever and be this hot party animal, which I never was. I really am enjoying life in the suburbs, and I thought I wouldn't. I didn't think that that was a dream that was reachable for me. But I'm purchasing my first house this year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3432.0,3463.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Yay. Congratulations. Huge!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3463.0,3466.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Huge. And it's like this little tiny lesbian, for lack of a better word, who I was in high school, would not recognize the person I am today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3466.0,3481.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: So you've already answered this somewhat, but are there any other lessons that you feel like you've carried from GLASA that continue to inform your life now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3481.0,3492.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, geez. I feel like GLASA taught me a lot of patience. I think that I still have a lot, to this day, a lot of the fact that I was a near child, having to tell adults how to be good people. It instilled this sense of patience I still have today when talking about any kind of issue. I think I was talking about fair housing with somebody and she was like, \"I don't understand reparations\" and she was like, \"I don't understand why we have to pay people now.\" And it was like, \"Well in my day I worked for everything.\" I was like, \"Well, if you think about it, you had the opportunity to work for everything and maybe this other opportunity wasn't presented to this person.\" And they were just like, \"You said it so calmly!\" Everyone, they were just surprised that I didn't start fighting them. And they're like, \"Everyone who talks to me about these issues gets so angry and yells and is like, 'this is what should be,' and it was like you just so calmly stated things that make sense and that makes a lot of sense.\" I could see them coming around and I was just like, yeah. And I think that really came from this incredible patience that I got at this early age in my life. And it is definitely a boon in my life now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3492.0,3575.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: That is, especially in the entertainment industry, I feel like editing in particular is a job that requires social patience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3575.0,3584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, it's a big puzzle that gets dropped on my doorstep every week.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3584.0,3593.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: So as we sort of transition into the last bits of this interview, time has obviously, or I guess the context of—especially trans issues, but LGBTQ issues in general and the dialogue around LGBTQ people has changed significantly since 2010. And we've talked over the course of this interview about really how you were in the midst of a lot of the cultural shift while you were at Queens College. But I guess I'm curious in this sort of change in conversation of the past 14 years, do you feel like there's more nuance and information out there? Do you feel like there's less? How do you feel like things have changed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3593.0,3648.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, I am so thankful that kids these days I think have it a little easier. And I'm not saying that like I was an old man, being like, \"Oh, you kids have it too easy!\" I'm like, thank God you kids have it easier. Or at least a little easier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3648.0,3664.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: I know there still, we could talk about the anti-trans bills sweeping the nation in other ways, but in some ways I feel like there is a lot more accessible information. And that is the biggest difference from when I was in college to now is just the volume of accepting information and resources I see for students and all these great things that—I try not to be bitter and be like, \"I wish I had it when I was\" [laughs]—But yeah, I really am glad that it seems like things have gotten a little easier. And even in my PFLAG trainings—I don't do it anymore—time reasons, honestly—but when I was getting towards the end of my tenure there, it almost felt like at the end of the presentation kids were like, \"Yeah, Tommy's gay, and she's trans.\" Everyone was just like, \"What are you [talking about]? Duh.\" It felt like we were working ourselves into obsoletion, which was great. I was like, great, you kids don't need me anymore. Our job is done. And it's the need for being like, \"I'm here and I'm queer\", that need has passed and I'm glad for it. Or at least it has lessened, not passed, but it has lessened in the bits that I've seen of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3664.0,3760.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: So I guess jumping I guess throughout these, both your time at Queens College and after, what have been the qualities that have made you feel welcomed, feel at home in spaces like GLASA or even where you're working at NBC? What are the qualities that make a space feel like this is a space that I as an LGBTQ-identified person feel like I can flourish in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3760.0,3801.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Oh, great question. I think it really comes down to—excuse me. It comes down to the language being used in the room. And I don't mean, like, you don't have to say the word gay every five seconds. I mean, when you refer to someone as your partner instead of husband or wife, if that's the case. But more inclusive language being used. That really comes down to not being sexist and racist is nice. That's nice. [laughs] But it really does come down to the vibe of the language being used in a space. And it's pretty easy to identify, but hard to explain. And I wish I could give you a better explanation, but yeah, I work on a luxury design and real estate show and for the longest time we would say, \"his and hers bathrooms.\" And I'd be like, can we stop? Can we say dual bathrooms and dual vanities or whatever? Or double vanities. Can we stop saying that? And they're like, \"Oh, but this is what we've said forever.\" And I'm like, \"I can't use this house? Is that it? What are we talking about?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3801.0,3891.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Yeah. \"What do you mean?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3891.0,3893.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: \"What do you mean?\" So just using more inclusive language like that. There's just little things that if you pick up, you're like, \"Oh, this is not a space for me.\" And you sort of shuffle your way out of it. But just language, more gender-neutral language is a great sign that you're in a queer-accepting space. And that was something that in GLASA, we immediately did. I remember at the time this felt radical and now it feels stupid, but there was someone who came in very sort of female presenting and said, my name is Aiden and my pronouns are he/him. We were like, \"What's up Aiden? How you doing, bro?\" And it was immediately, there was—no one questioned it. It was just like, of course. Great. And whenever someone would misgender him, we would be like, \"Oh, that's Aiden. He/him.\" Like, \"Oh, okay!\" Other people would help to do it. It wasn't all on Aiden's shoulders to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3893.0,3953.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: And that's the kind of thing that I have never experienced anywhere else. That sort of immediate, just like, \"You got it!\" Just no resistance to anything like that. And it's just, yeah, and I'm getting kind of nostalgic for it now. I think what really exemplifies a safe space is the language we use in the space, in general.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3953.0,3982.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Awesome. So I have one final question. It's a question I ask everyone, which is: It's 2024. What would you tell a new queer student at Queens College who's trying to find themself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=3982.0,4001.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: Yeah, my initial thought was good luck. But that seems pessimistic. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=4001.0,4005.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: I think good luck is always, you know— [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=4005.0,4010.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Samuel Nathanson: What I will say, looking back on everything, [is] the things that you feel are big right now will feel small later. And the things you might feel are small now will feel big later. Like the fact that we just called Aiden by his name. That seemed so small, and it was huge. And you're never going to know what those moments are until you can look back on them. So just really try and enjoy everything when it happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=4010.0,4048.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213/transcript/67618/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dani Stompor: Yep. Awesome. Well, Samuel, thank you so much. This was such a lovely conversation. So I'm going to sign us off for now. Thank you very much everyone for listening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/104/collection_resources/129327/file/242213#t=4048.0,4060.848"}]}]}]}