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I would love to start with perhaps just getting your full name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=0.0,11.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Okay. My name is Judith Hoffman. That's my full name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=11.0,17.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Perfect. And when and where were you born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=17.0,21.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Right. I was born in New York. My parents were living in Parkway Village already, and that was in 1949.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=21.0,31.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: And so your parents actually were already in Parkway Village, so they were some of the original residents?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=31.0,38.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: They were, I think, the first, or among the first residents. They were on the corner of Main Street and Union Turnpike. There's a little group of apartments there. They're just apartments. I don't think they were duplexes there. And they and their neighbors, Catherine and Alison Kubiak and their little girl Karen, lived right next door to us. And that's the first apartment that we had. And that was in 1940—I think it was in 1946 because my sister was born in 1947 and they were already there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=38.0,72.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Wow. And were they American or how did they end up there in the first place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=72.0,81.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Okay. Well, my parents are both from London originally, and they met and they went through the war with all the separations [that entailed]—a 'meet you under the clock at Charing Cross' type of thing on a Friday night [whenever] they got leave. So my Dad was in the RAF [Royal Air Force]. My Mom was in the WAAF, which is the Women's Auxiliary Air Force. And they were stationed in different parts of the country and were moved around the country as well. So their courtship was very unusual in that they could [only] meet up when they [both] got a weekend pass [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=81.0,121.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=121.0,121.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: And then when the war finished, they got married. And when my Dad came out of the RAF, he had a cousin who worked for the United Nations and she said, \"Why don't you join this new organization? It's called the UN,\" and told him about it. So he applied and he got a job. And we have an entry in one of my mother's diaries from 1940s—must have been '45, '46—saying, \"We're going to Yankee land\" [laughter]. And so they got married, they got on a boat called the Île de France, which was still a troop ship at that time. [But] they had to be in different quarters, men's and women's quarters. And so, straight out of getting married, they were on the boat to New York, leaving all their family behind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=121.0,182.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: And then there they were in Yankee land. And what did your dad do at the UN?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=182.0,190.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Well, he started off, I think, in the postal service area with the stamps and the [first day of issue] and all that sort of stuff. But he moved up and he ended up being the secretary to the Under-Secretary-General in charge of the Fifth Committee. So he was [working] more with the finance side of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=190.0,212.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Wow. Super fascinating. And so, you were born a couple years after they arrived in Parkway Village?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=212.0,224.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: They moved apartments then. So they moved from the [one on Main Street] because the first apartment just had one bedroom. Then they moved to Village Road. I can't remember the exact address. 147-43 Village Road, I think it is, but I can't remember [laughs] the exact numbers and apartment letters. But, they moved to a two bedroom apartment there, and we lived there. My younger sister was born in 1952, and the three of us went to the United Nations School, which they had in Parkway Village. My Mom and Dad were part of the initiators of getting all of that going as well. They were part of the committee to set up a school in the village.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=224.0,268.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Because the village was—you know the history of the village, I'm assuming—that it was built [in 1947]. When my parents first went to New York, the UN was based out in Lake Success. It wasn't in Manhattan. It was still being built in Manhattan, the Secretariat Building. And they soon were finding out that people who were coming over to join the UN from all over the world, there was terrible discrimination and they couldn't get housing for people. So they built this village and it was purpose-built for people coming over to join the UN and for war veterans, American war veterans as well. So it was quite a mixture of people there. And it was like a little United Nations itself, the village. It was fantastic. And we had our school there, so it was all very contained and lovely. And if you ask anybody on that Parkway Village site, they'll talk about their magical childhoods that we had there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=268.0,330.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Yeah. So far, I've been hearing a lot about magical childhoods. So, when you say you went to the UN school, was that the nursery school or was that the elementary school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=330.0,345.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: It was a nursery and a kindergarten and elementary. I was there until 1958 and then my family was moved to Mexico. My dad had to go to the UN in Mexico and do a job there in Mexico City. So we were there for about 18 months, and then we came back to New York again and into another apartment on Charter Road. And we were there for about 18 months or so. And then we moved back to Mexico for another two to three years, and then back to New York again, where we were in our fourth apartment on Village Road.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=345.0,389.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: And until when did you live in Parkway Village?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=389.0,395.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Well, my parents were there until 1978, so they were there for [pause] 40 years more or less. They spent their whole adult life there or in Mexico. We had those five years, more or less, when we lived in Mexico. But every time we came back, we went back to the UN school. By now, the UN school was in Manhattan. There were two schools at that point. And we started going to the one in Manhattan, which was on 71st Street, First Avenue and 71st, I think, or 72nd. It was a condemned public school. It had been condemned by the New York Fire Department, apparently. And we were housed in this very rickety school there until they found another temporary [accommodation] for us. And then they finally built another school, but that was after my time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=395.0,451.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Maybe just to backtrack a little bit, can you just tell me about your magical childhood? Tell me a little bit more about what it was like to grow up in Parkway Village.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=451.0,467.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: It's very interesting because the neighbors that we had when I was up [to] the age of eight years old, when we went to Mexico, the neighbors that we had there and around our court, we're still in touch with all of them, basically. And when my sister and I went to New York in 2012, I think it was, and they had a great big gathering with all of us reminiscing about Parkway Village. And we had a cake that was in the shape of Parkway Village with the flagpole at one end, and so on and so forth. And it was magical because the village consists of a series of courts—we call them the courts—and you had your own court, basically, that was your territory kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=467.0,512.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: But these courts, which were made up of duplex apartments mostly, so your front door looked out onto an oval area that had trees planted and grass in the middle. But at the back, depending on which court you were in, you either had a big playground or you had a big grassy area, trees and grass growing, so a lot of outdoor space. And it was an absolute haven for kids, because the playgrounds were fantastic. They were really good. And we all backed onto each other's houses, even if it was a little bit of a distance, maybe, you know, you could wave to your neighbors across the way who were in a different court over the other side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=512.0,556.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: And we just would all get together, and it didn't matter if it was summer or winter. These amazing memories of, in the winter, if there was a blizzard and you had snow days from school, no school, so we'd all be out there in our snowsuits building forts and having [snowball] fights. And the snow was up, you know, up to there on the door kind of thing. And in the summer we would just be under the trees, making up plays, playing Red Rover in the playground, telling stories, just having a great time on our roller skates and our bicycles and so on. And in June every year we had what was called the Supper Party, which was an international festival, in front of the powerhouse. Have you been to Parkway Village?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=556.0,611.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: I haven't, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=611.0,612.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Oh, right, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=612.0,613.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: I've seen pictures though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=613.0,614.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Yeah. In the middle there's the powerhouse, which was always a scary place. You look through the door, it was just all this machinery and everything. They put a stage up in front of the powerhouse and everybody would dress in their national robes and national dress. And the kids would all decorate their bicycles and there'd be bicycle races and egg and spoon [races], all that sort of stuff. But there would be trestle tables lining the whole of mostly Charter Road, Charter Road and Goethals Avenue, all the way up, there were trestle tables laden with food from all over the world that people in the village all made. And there'd be dancing and there'd be all sorts of things from different countries going on on the stage. And it was just magic [laughs]. It was just magic. Really—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=614.0,665.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Yeah, I've—sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=665.0,667.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: That's okay. Carry on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=667.0,670.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: I've read about and heard about the international festival. Did your parents make any British food? Or did they do anything to represent—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=670.0,683.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Oh, yes, they did. In fact, I have a photograph of my Dad [unclear] taken by the local newspaper. He's eating some southern fried chicken or something [laughter], and he's going like this [giving a thumbs up] [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=683.0,699.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Yeah, I mean, everybody made something from their own country. I don't know what my Mom made, I can't remember now. But, I have no idea what—I can't remember what she'd made actually. But there was just—just the smell in the air was of samosas and curries and Chinese food and all sorts. And it was just a really lovely [event]—but we called it the Supper Party. Later on, it became the international thing, but we called it the Supper Party.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=699.0,729.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Can you tell me a little bit about your friends? Like who were some of your friends growing up? Where did they come from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=729.0,737.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Right. Well, Katie and Sophie Hannenberg [phonetic] lived next door to us, and Kim and Amy Herrick lived opposite us in the same court. They began there, and then they moved across [the way] from the playground. So we've been friends with them ever since. And, you know, [there were the] people that we went to school with. So I have my friend Mina, Mina Reddy. Mina and Layla, her sister. Their father [Enuga Reddy] was very, very, very well known for his work with Apartheid. Their father was Indian, and their mother is Turkish. [Their] mother's still alive. And I'm in touch with Mina monthly. We Zoom—actually I Zoom [with] my whole class. There are about 12 of us who Zoom at the end of every month.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=737.0,790.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: That is so fantastic. Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=790.0,792.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Yeah. So they were Indian, Turkish. We had Chinese next door neighbors, [a] couple of American families in [our court] as well. We had, I don't know—who else was there? Oh gosh, I'm trying to think of all the names now. There was someone called Freema Mancher [and] her parents [Teddy and Lee] lived there. Sorry, I got a blank. Oh, yeah. Oh, I have a friend called Amy Wang, who I've known since I was tiny. Still talk to her. She was in my class. So I still talk to her every month in our group chat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=792.0,837.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: And who else? Gail Travis. She had an older sister as well. They were Australian. And my Dad did a carpool with [her Dad] and with [the father of] an Indian friend of mine who's called, oh, I can't remember his name now. Anyway, my Dad shared a carpool with two other men going into the UN everyday. Oh, there was also a kid called Jason Elfert [and also] Douglas Miller. I mean, there's just a whole gang of us, basically. It was like something out of a Peanuts cartoon, really [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=837.0,876.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: You've already talked about some of the things that you would do with your friends, but yeah, I would love to hear more. Like, what kinds of games would you play with them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=876.0,887.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Okay. Well, we played—Red Rover was always a favorite, so we played that. [So all you would hear was the sound of kids] shouting it out, usually before supper time, you'd hear the noise of the children playing these sorts of games, or they'd be on the monkey bars—\"Look at me, look at me!\"—that kind of thing. We'd play Giant. Now, Amy and Kim Herrick's father, who was a very brilliant man, actually, and I think that he kind of was very, very high up in IBM, certainly with the beginning of computing and stuff. He was a very, very tall guy with a very laconic sense of humor, and he would play Giant with us. So, you know, the giant was coming and he would stalk around the court or around the back where the playground [was]. We'd all be flying away, going and hiding, and he had to try and find us. So I remember that very clearly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=887.0,942.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: And skipping rope stuff, stuff with our roller skating around the court, cycling. And as I said, just making up plays, making them up all morning and then acting them out in the afternoon kind of thing. So that was good as well. In fact, Amy Herrick is quite a well known now children's author, and her imagination is just the same as it was then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=942.0,970.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Oh, wow. I know that there was a UN Scout troop at Parkway Village. Were you ever in the Girl Guides or Girl Scouts?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=970.0,984.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: I was in the Brownies. I was in—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=984.0,986.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: The Brownies, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=986.0,987.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Yeah, I was in the Brownies, but not for very long because we moved to Mexico then, when I was eight. So that kind of all went by the wayside for me. My mother was never really one for anything organized and uniformed after the war.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=987.0,1005.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: We had some [other] friends as well. One particular guy, I think he was a French guy, his name was Guy Hanau. I think his son is on the [Facebook] group. And I think Guy had been in a concentration camp. He had the numbers on his wrist. And we had some friends called Marvin Guten, [who] lived next door to us at one point, and Marty and Barbara Ring. Marty was a larger than life character. He was shot up during the war. He had shrapnel, you know, so he had all these tics and things, but he was hysterically funny at the same time. So they lived near us as well. They were very good friends with my parents.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1005.0,1056.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: So basically the parents, you know—I just remember summer evenings, we'd be in our house while the grownups would be in the court, sitting on their deck chairs in the court, all talking together. Earlier on in the evening, everybody would've been out back on their porch barbecuing. So there'd just be barbecues going on all around the [laughs] the whole square around where the playground was. There'd be barbecues on almost every terrace going every night in the summertime. And just the smell in the air was barbecue and fun and, you know, Kool-Aid [laughs] and beautiful big plums to eat and so on. And then afterwards, the parents would just get together and chat away for the evening. They sometimes had parties, and if they had a party, the children were all at home and in bed. And as you came in, you dropped your key in a hat, which means something else these days. 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Everybody knew if there was anything wrong, they'd come to your aid pretty damn quickly [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1131.0,1141.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Yeah. That seems to be what everyone's experience was like in Parkway Village, especially compared to other neighborhoods that they've lived in. It was very close knit and there's a lot of camaraderie looking out for one another.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1141.0,1157.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: I'll always remember we lived in a court with this lovely Asian family, Indian family, and we had a swimming—a paddling pool. It was a long paddling pool, though. It was a bit unusual. And somebody was tearing up some grass and throwing it into the pool. And this boy called Shariar [phonetic]—I always remember him—he said, \"Don't you hurt my Parkway Village!\" He thought picking the grass up and throwing it in the pool was damaging the village in some way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1157.0,1188.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: I love that. Yeah. I want to hear more about your parents, but actually I think maybe more about your school first. So, you went to the UN school. Did you end up going to any public schools in New York or was it just the UN school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1188.0,1209.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: No, just the UN school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1209.0,1212.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Yeah. And so, I know a little bit about the UN school, but do you want to tell me some more about what it was like to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1212.0,1220.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Well, I can remember—I remember my nursery. I remember Ms. Evans was my teacher and she was very freckly like me. So I really liked her because I was very freckly, and I loved [her because of] that. Then I went into Mrs. Yao's Kindergarten. One memory I have is that we were supposed to be going to visit Santa Claus. I think down in Jamaica at Gertz or somewhere there was a Santa Claus and we were supposed to go visit Santa Claus. So we were all sitting in our circle, but there wasn't a chair for me, so I was sitting on the floor next to the teacher. She got up to see to some kid. So I hopped up and I pulled her chair over and I sat on it and she backed into the chair and sat on the floor [laughter]. And she was very, very angry with me. And she put me in the closet [laughs] and said I couldn't go to see Santa Claus. I remember that quite clearly [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1220.0,1280.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: And we used to have—I remember we had nap time on canvas beds, like you have in the Army, these canvas cots. We had nap time there. And I had Mrs. Yao, then I had Mrs. Chow [phonetic] in second grade, I think it was. I had Miss Brown in third grade. And that was when I was [going to] be going to Mexico. And she was [teaching us geography and] telling us all about volcanoes and told us about the volcanoes in Mexico, and I remember being petrified that I was [going to] be going somewhere so dangerous. In fact, I've written a novel. You might want to have a quick look at one of the chapters. It actually describes the Village and it describes all of this, actually. It describes me being in this lesson with Miss Brown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1280.0,1331.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: I had no idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1331.0,1332.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1332.0,1333.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: And is it written under your name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1333.0,1335.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Yes, it is. It's called Mrs. Puchetti's Garden. It's a novel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1335.0,1340.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: I'm definitely gonna look that up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1340.0,1343.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Yeah, do [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1343.0,1344.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: That's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1344.0,1345.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: I just published it myself on Amazon because I couldn't be dealing with agents and God knows what else. So I just thought, well, I've written it, now I'm gonna just put it out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1345.0,1353.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: And how do you spell the name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1353.0,1356.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Mrs. Puchetti. P-U-C-H-E, double T, I. And it's semi-biographical as you'll see if you read it. It's a bit rude in places. I'm warning you now. Adult section only.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1356.0,1372.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: [laughs] Okay. I won't read it to my toddler.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1372.0,1375.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: No, don't [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1375.0,1377.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: That's fantastic. And what would you learn in the school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1377.0,1385.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Well, we did French. We had French from nursery. I have my report card still—my mother kept everything. So I have all my report cards right the way up through school. And on one of them, the French teacher says about me, age five I guess I was, it's something like, \"to watch Judith imitating my face when she's speaking French, it's not only very good for her accent, but it's doing wonders for my own humility\" [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1385.0,1424.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: So we had French from a very, very early age. And we had the usual kind of curriculum. I remember Think-and-Do books and Dick, Jane, and Sally readers. The usual, arithmetic, English and compositions and ancient history and so on. Yeah. I mean, the school never had the most up to date equipment or anything like that. I mean, when we were at the school in Manhattan, the labs, everything was just so shabby. It really was very, very shabby and not state of the art at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1424.0,1467.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: And I ended up doing Spanish for A level. That was the other thing. You could do exams depending on what you needed them for. So I knew that I was going to be coming to England to go to university. So, I was going to be doing what they call O level GCSEs—O level GCE [General Certificate of Education] it was called—and then A level GCE, which are the British exams. So, I did those. And of course there were only three or four of us doing those, so the classes were tiny when you got into year 11—year 11, year 12. I had my friend Mina, who I told you about already. Mina, me, Amy Wang also I think did A level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1467.0,1522.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: So, we had very small classes. Very good teachers, except for Spanish. And my Dad ended up hiring [laughs] this very old man who worked at the UN, Mr. Portes [phonetic], and he would come to the school once a week and teach me Spanish. But he used to give me an A for everything I did, because he just thought that I was wonderful, which didn't give me much of a guideline as to how I really was doing, you know? So, I don't really know how I muddled through the exams. I don't know. But we did Latin as well. You had to have Latin to do a degree here in England. So, I did Latin, Spanish, French, English. And when I was younger I had to do math, English, history, et cetera, et cetera. So, that was the school in New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1522.0,1575.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: When I came back to New York from Mexico, it was 1964. So I was 14 going on 15, kind of crucial time. And I was really homesick from Mexico. I loved Mexico. So it was a hard time. And also I discovered that I had been in the wrong year group for most of my education [laughs], somehow or other, I don't know how that happened. I think what happened is that when I was supposed to start proper elementary school as it were, my auntie was getting married here in Britain. And so, in October, so we were here for the wedding and went back in November. And I don't think there was room in my class for me, so they put me in another class. My younger sister, by the time she came through to years 11 and 12, they had the International Baccalaureate. It was brand new. She was one of the first cohorts to take it. 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I imagine if they were from the same country or the same area and had the same kind of language, they would probably talk to each other in Chinese or whatever, you know. But [by and large] it was in English, and almost all the teaching was in English. But it was a very international staff as well. In fact, a teacher—he didn't teach me—I think he may have been a history teacher, Mr. Oyedeji [phonetic]. He was from Nigeria. He died a couple of weeks ago, apparently. And he used to [wear his full Nigerian robes]. And you'd have your teachers who were wearing their saris or whatever. So you had that kind of flavor of different nationalities on the teaching staff as well. Mrs. Anachuck [phonetic], I think she was Czechoslovakian, and she taught music. And Mr. Ouvry [phonetic] was from the UK. The French teachers were all from France. So, you really did have that international feeling for the staff, never mind the kids as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1641.0,1713.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: And what about the content of the courses? So, you know, like in history for instance, whose history were you studying?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1713.0,1724.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: The only history lesson I could really remember—we had a fabulous Irish teacher called, Colin Nimmons [phonetic] was his name. And he said, \"I want to tell you now about a famous explorer, a famous Irish explorer called Marc O'Polo [laughter]. So he had a great wit, sense of humor. So yeah, we did the usual, English history. I don't remember doing American history there but, you know, I was leaning more towards languages and English and so on. So my experience wouldn't have been maybe what other people had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1724.0,1763.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: I know that the science labs and so on weren't very good [laughs]. I didn't do chemistry very much. I did biology. So, I did history, biology, English, French, Spanish, Latin. Well, I can't remember what else I did for my O level. So the content—it wasn't world history. I remember in the lower grade we did ancient history. I remember we did that, and I remember doing English history, but not American history. Not when I was there. I did American history in Mexico, at my school in Mexico, but I can't remember doing it at the UN school. But as I said, my education was kind of a bit [disrupted], so it's difficult for me to say. Somebody else may be better to tell you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1763.0,1821.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Sure. Of course today you can look back on your childhood and think about how unique it was, but at the time, did you ever have a sense that it was unique?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1821.0,1835.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: No, not really. It was our life. You came out, your Chinese neighbor's kids came out, the Indian family across the way came out with their kids and just were all there together, really. It didn't really come into conversation or anything. I suppose if we were dressing up in our national dress or something like that, you might say, \"Oh, you look pretty,\" or something like that. It was just—it was quotidian for us. It was the everyday life, really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1835.0,1871.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Yeah. It was, this was your normal—but thinking back, how do you think growing up in Parkway Village shaped your life or influence how you see things?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1871.0,1888.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Well, me and my two sisters, the three of us went into education. So, my younger sister, before she retired, was the head of a primary school here in London. I was in education—I taught secondary school—and my older sister was an academic more than anything else, is an academic, so she got a PhD and she ended up living in Australia. But part of the whole thing about her going to Australia—it was difficult for my parents. And my daughter is now in Kenya, lives in Kenya with my grandchildren and her husband. It's one of my daughters. It's kind of like, well, yeah, that's what happens. You move away and you don't give a thought to what it's doing to your poor parents and grandparents. It's just something that you do when you're younger, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1888.0,1953.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: So my older sister moved out to Australia when her children were quite young, and it was difficult for my parents really, even though they had me and my other sister and the grandchildren that came from us. It was a tricky one. She still lives in Australia, my older sister, and my other sister lives next door to me, and we live on a road on a street in London. We live in—they're called mansion blocks, block of flats. There are six apartments in each block, but all the blocks look out onto a great big communal garden where all the kids would pile out in the summer and the winter. And it was kind of like giving my kids that flavor of a community and somewhere safe to be as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=1953.0,2007.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Yeah. It sounds like a delightful way for children to grow up. So I'm getting the sense that your family's pretty international just in terms of where everyone ended up and their sensibilities. And [do] you think that has something to do with Parkway Village?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2007.0,2028.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Oh, oh, totally. And all my friends, if you talk to any of my friends, they're all left wing, they're all Democrat or Labour Party or whatever, and into human rights and into peace and all the ethos of the United Nations as it was then. It breaks my heart now to see that it's kind of not got enough teeth to be able to solve things. But we [lived] through the time of—at one point my Dad was [going to] be sent to the Congo, during the time of [Patrice] Lumumba. Dag Hammarskjöld, the Secretary-General, was killed. So, it was either going to be Mexico or the Congo. So thank God my Dad chose to go to Mexico instead of the Congo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2028.0,2077.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: But I think that behind us all, and that's including my friends as well, there is this—you need to go out there and you need to use your voice, and you should use your vote, and you need to make things as equal as you possibly can for people. So a lot of people are very active with politics and so on. I have one friend, she's an American friend who went to UNIS [United Nations International School], and she was very hot on the vote in—I can't remember what it was now. The crucial one in Georgia. There was this crucial vote there wasn't there? And she was campaigning a lot on that. So, people who want to see diversity and equality and nations getting on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2077.0,2131.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: So when did you go back to the UK?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2131.0,2135.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: I went back to come to university in 1968. I graduated [from] London University where I read Spanish and French. My older sister had already gone to the same University and did Spanish and French. And my younger sister then followed on and did Spanish and Italian [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2135.0,2157.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Is that the one that ended up in Australia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2157.0,2159.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: No. The older one ended up in Australia. And, yeah, so the three of us came over here. My parents were still living in Parkway Village till 1978. And then they—my Dad took early retirement at about 50, 51 I think he was—and they came back over here because their parents were getting old and they didn't feel that they could leave us with the responsibility of caring for them or anything. So they came back over here in 1978 and settled down and were very, very happy until they died. So, it was special. My Dad still belonged to an organization [called BAFUNCS, the British Association of Former United Nations Civil Servants, corrected by interviewee] in London. Anyway, [he was its] secretary and so they had annual dinners and meetings up and so on in London with this organization that was for people who had retired from working at the UN. So he met up with some old colleagues every now and then that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2159.0,2232.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Oh, that's really interesting. Did you always think you were going to go back to Britain or did you, like, ever think that you would stay in the U.S.?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2232.0,2241.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Well, when I went back to the U.S. [from Mexico in 1965], I was scared stiff because it was drugs, sex and rock and roll. And I was a little wallflower, really [laughs]. I wasn't into any of that. And I was terrified of New York because it was edgy in those days in the mid sixties, regardless of the flower power and Sergeant Pepper and all that sort of stuff. So, I was quite frightened to even travel around on the subway. My younger sister did. She's much more of a New Yorker in that sense than I am. But also it was a time of the Beatles and Carnaby Street. And my older sister, when we came back from Mexico, she went straight to Britain to go to university. And so she'd write back to us. We had a letter every week. We'd have a letter saying what she's doing. And I just wanted to get over to Carnaby Street and be where the Beatles were, really. So I decided—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2241.0,2301.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Whoa [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2301.0,2302.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Yeah [laughs]. That was my excuse, anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2302.0,2305.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Yeah. That's incredible. I'm really struck by your Mom's diary entry—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2305.0,2314.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: \"We're going to Yankee land.\" And her first memory when they got off the boat, they got on a bus that had a UN flag on it for people. They were going to be driving them out to Lake Success where they were housing them. And she was looking out the window, and there was a sailor sitting on the bus for some reason—I don't know why there was a sailor, but anyway—and he threw half an eaten piece of pizza out into the gutter. He threw food into the gutter. And they'd come from war torn London. So this was a real eye opener for her—the land of plenty. So I think they were pretty gobsmacked when they first arrived there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2314.0,2360.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: All the neighbors absolutely loved my Mom and Dad. There was a Grand Union supermarket, on the corner near where we had our first apartment, so up on Union Turnpike. It was a Grand Union and the signage on it was a brick side of a wall built in the shape of the Secretariat building in Manhattan. So there was the Grand Union supermarket and next door there was the UN dry cleaners. So it was all kind of linked to the village, as it were. It was our main little shopping drag. There was a Key Food there as well. Every time my Mom went shopping, the cashier would say, \"Oh, Mrs. Hoffman, talk to me in English\" [laughter]. They loved their accent. It's funny because a lot of the American friends that they had from the village were college educated, but my parents weren't. They got through secondary school and then it was war. So that was it. [My dad subsequently achieved a degree from the Open University once he retired from the UN, clarified by interviewee].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2360.0,2435.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: My Mom had done secretarial work and so on for her father. He was in the rag trade. They were Jewish immigrants. My great-great grandparents were from, funnily enough, Odessa. One lot were from Odessa, another lot were from St. Petersburg. And they all lived in the East End. They were brought up in the East End. And my grandfather had a little factory there with his eight brothers and sisters, all at the machines making clothes. And my mother did bookkeeping for him and so on before she went into the WAAF. And then she did secretarial work, clerical work, and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2435.0,2481.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: And what were your parents' names?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2481.0,2485.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: My mother was born Gladys Goldenberg [phonetic], but she changed her name to Gill. She always hated Gladys. So she was Gill Hoffman, and my dad's name was Walter Hoffman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2485.0,2504.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: I would love to know more about your parents just because I have an interest in the UN itself. What did—well, I guess one thing that I've been learning about is the tenant strike of 1952 in Parkway Village. Is that a thing that you—I mean, you would've been—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2504.0,2527.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Two [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2527.0,2528.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: A young'n, but—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2528.0,2529.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: What was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2529.0,2530.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: There was a tenant strike—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2530.0,2533.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Oh, a tenant strike. Oh, really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2533.0,2536.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Yeah, because in '52, the UN master lease of Parkway Village was going to end. And so the banks that owned Parkway Village were going to jack up the rents by quite a substantial amount. A lot of the UN people wouldn't have been able to afford it. And there are all these problems—if they can't live in Parkway Village, then they're going to have to be exposed to discriminatory housing—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2536.0,2561.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Oh my gosh. I've learned something from you [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2561.0,2566.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Yeah, so your parents may or may not have been involved in that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2566.0,2572.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Oh, they would've been involved. I would've thought so. Yeah [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2572.0,2575.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Gotcha. It's a really fascinating story. Betty Friedan, who was a Parkway Village resident, wrote about it quite a bit. Actually, I visited her papers at Harvard and she has folders and folders on this incident or movement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2575.0,2593.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: What was her name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2593.0,2595.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Betty Friedan. The author of—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2595.0,2596.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Oh, Betty Friedan. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right, yeah, she lived there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2596.0,2603.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: So, how did your parents like living in the U.S.?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2603.0,2612.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: They loved it. My Mom didn't really want to come back to England. They had such a huge circle of friends. In the summer time, for example, it would be like quarter to 10 at night, and there'd be a knock at the door, and it would be Marvin or Marty, \"Hey, do you guys wanna go to the pancake house and get a coffee?\" 10 o'clock at night! They'd all traipse off to the pancake house and have a whale of a time. They were always laughing. It was hysterically funny. These guys were very, very funny. And they absolutely loved my Mom. My Mom had a great sense of humor, as [did] my Dad, but my Dad—they used to call him the captain because he ended up, when he left the RAF, he was Captain Walter Hoffman. So they [would] say, \"What does the captain think?\" They'd love my dad's accent and everything. So they always looked on him as kind of like the sober judge of the group kind of thing. But they had a great sense of humor, all of them. Real New York Jewish sense of humor, what I called it anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2612.0,2684.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Yeah. And the people that they were close with were predominantly Parkway Villagers or associated with the UN?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2684.0,2692.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Yeah, mostly Parkway Villagers. Yeah. I mean, Dad didn't really see colleagues so much outside of his work. Although I said he had a carpool with Arthur Travis. They were friends for years until Arthur died, actually. I'm still in touch with Gail Travis, who married a boy from my class, Peter Messinesi [phonetic]. He's [of Greek heritage]. They live in Sydney.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2692.0,2724.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: But there were also others. There was this couple I told you about at the very beginning, Alison and Catherine Kubiak. He'd been in the Navy and they had one daughter called Karen [phonetic]. And he was a photographer for the UN and [they were] great friends with the Chens [phonetic]. Ming and Teddy Chen [phonetic] had three daughters, I think. They started off in Parkway, but I think they moved to Levittown when that was built. He was a photographer as well. And it was so funny because Teddy Chen was Chinese, and when my mother had my younger sister, in those days they were saying that every third child in the world that was born was Chinese. So he came in to the hospital room with the balloons, and also he said, \"Where's my baby?\" [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2724.0,2780.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: So yes, they had the Chens and the Kubiaks. The Kubiaks were from down South. They were really southern—Arkansas, around there. Then there were a couple of others that they had—I don't know how they met these other people—but there were lots of other lifelong friends that they had as well from the village, but also a couple that weren't from the village.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2780.0,2805.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: And they lived there until '78. Something that I've learned from other people is that Parkway Village and the broader areas, it's not Jackson Heights, it's—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2805.0,2822.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Jamaica.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2822.0,2823.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Jamaica, yeah. Jamaica was sort of the epicenter of a lot of the school integration movement in Queens. I've been hearing from people like Bill Hendler, for instance. His parents were very involved in the school integration movement. Did your parents ever get involved in that sort of stuff?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2823.0,2844.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: I don't—I can't remember. I don't think they did. I don't think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2844.0,2853.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: And so your dad started out in the postal office at the UN. Then you said that he made some career advancements. But which area of the UN did he end up in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2853.0,2867.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: He ended up as Secretary to the Fifth Committee, which is to do with economics—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2867.0,2873.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: —budget.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2873.0,2874.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: —budget, yeah. So I've got some lovely photos of him sitting there with his headphones on [laughter] listening to whatever in the General Assembly. He was always very busy at the General Assembly. He was over here in Paris when Roosevelt, Eleanor Roosevelt, came to the General Assembly in 1940—must have been 1948 or 1947, something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2874.0,2898.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: '48.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2898.0,2899.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: '48, yeah. I think that's why my middle name is Frances. Because I think that my parents went [on] home leave. My Mom came over [to Paris] with my Dad. My Dad went to Paris and I think they had a tryst for a couple of days in Paris. I think I was conceived then [laughter]. My middle name is Frances. And we just figured it out a few years ago [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2899.0,2923.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: That's really funny. And did—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2923.0,2929.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: So every two years we had home leave. So they wouldn't see their parents for two years. They wouldn't see their sisters and all the extended family. We had no extended family at all. And then every two years we would get on the Queen Mary or the Queen Elizabeth and cross over to Southampton where we got the boat train to Waterloo. And the whole family would be waiting there on the platform at Waterloo Station. And then when we had to leave, the whole family would bring us to Waterloo Station and we'd get into our compartment and my mother would cry all the way to Southampton because she knew that she wouldn't be seeing anybody for another two years. It was tough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2929.0,2975.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Well that actually makes me wonder—you're growing up in the U.S. but you still have these connections obviously to Britain. Did you feel British when you were a kid? Like, is that a thing that you felt was your identity?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2975.0,2996.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: One of my earliest memories is me saying to my Dad, \"What am I?\" And he said, \"You're Jewish, American, British.\" Now I think my dad may have been secretly more religious than my mother was, but neither of them were religious. Religion as far as they were concerned was just a source of too much heartache in the world. So we were never practicing at all. But at the same time, they wouldn't have a Christmas tree. It's kind of like, no, that's going a little bit too far. But we celebrated Christmas, Thanksgiving. We celebrated anything that had a celebration attached to it, really. But I can only remember ever going to one Hanukkah party [laughs] in my whole childhood, you know? So we were not steeped in religion. So it was interesting that my dad said that because I didn't think it meant that much to him. Jewish, American, British. There you go [laughs]. That's what I was, until a couple of years ago where I stopped being American, I'm afraid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=2996.0,3064.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Oh, like in the sense that you gave up your citizenship?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3064.0,3066.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: I did. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3066.0,3072.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Another question that I have is, did you ever visit the UN headquarters when you were a kid?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3072.0,3077.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Oh God. Okay. You'll like this one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3077.0,3081.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: I probably will [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3081.0,3084.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: I was in kindergarten and the Queen Mother was coming for a visit, and so [we] went to the Secretariat building. There was crowds of people all lining up around [there]. And my parents and my sister and I were at back [behind] a row of people. And everybody shunted me and my big sister to the front. And the Queen Mother came by and everybody was applauding, everything. She stopped in front of us and started asking my sister lots of questions. Now you have big protocol for addressing royalty. You never address them first. You wait until they speak to you kind of thing. And then you always start off by saying Your Royal Highness, and then you use the word Ma'am after that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3084.0,3132.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Anyway, I was in kindergarten and I was shuffling around next to my sister and the Queen Mother was talking to my sister saying, \"What's your name?\" \"And where do you go to school?\" And so I just shouted out, \"And I'm in kindergarten.\" And this whole room full of delegates and people in African robes and just all these people, everybody was laughing and she threw back her head and laughed as well [laughter]. So I remember it really clearly, and I can remember my Mom saying that she was at the back there saying, \"Oh my God\" [laughter]. So that was one time, but we used to go to meet my dad for lunch or to catch a ride home with him maybe from school. [Such a] wonderful building, has the Guernica there and all the wonderful stained glass windows and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3132.0,3188.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: In fact, when I did my final exams, the UN school by then was in this temporary housing where there weren't any proper [classrooms]—there were just dividers between the [classrooms], so you could hear the lesson going on over the divider next to you. So although it was a bit more modern than the 71st Street school, it still wasn't a state of the art school by any stretch of the imagination. So it was sweltering heat and no air conditioning or anything. So my dad arranged for us to do our A level exams in the UN building in one of the conference rooms because it was air conditioned. And because there was a small group of us doing advanced levels, we did them there in the UN building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3188.0,3242.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Wow. That must have been an experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3242.0,3244.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Yeah, it was. It's a great place. It's a magic place, really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3244.0,3250.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Did you end up doing a lot of U.S. vacations with your family? Did you end up like going on road trips or anything like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3250.0,3262.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: The main road trips we made were to Mexico. We drove to Mexico the second time. We had a '56 convertible Chevy and we drove down through Florida, down through the south, the southern states, into Mexico. And we drove back when we came back as well. But we didn't really holiday. We never went on a holiday because we'd be saving up for our every two years home leave experience kind of thing. The UN paid towards your home leave, but I think my dad probably had to pay something towards going on the Queen Mary and the Queen Elizabeth. So I don't remember going for a holiday anywhere, actually. We went to Jones Beach if we were lucky [laughs]. Coney Island.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3262.0,3326.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Yeah. But Dad was working most of the summer, anyway. He'd come home at the beginning of the summer laden with plasticine, paints, paper and all sorts, and said, \"Your Mum has to have a rest in the afternoon, so you need to do paintings and things like that. Let mum have a rest.\" I remember that [laughs]. But we just entertained ourselves, really. We used to hate it because our friends went to day camp. Our American friends went to day camp and we were always envious of them that they were allowed to go to day camp and we never went to day camp. I don't know why we didn't, but we didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3326.0,3361.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: When was the last time you visited Parkway Village?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3361.0,3368.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: In 2012. Yeah, it was in 2012. We went—I went back with my husband. I went back once with my sister and once with my husband. And when I went with my sister, we were so excited. We were staying in Manhattan and we got on the bus to Queens. And the bus was empty, so we were going back and forth, like, there's the UN building. And over the [Queensboro Bridge, corrected by interviewee] [unclear]. Oh, and then the smell of Silvercup bread wafting in your nostrils, because there was a Silvercup factory right next to the bridge, the 59th Street Bridge. Because I used to take the bus to school from Queens—when we had to go into Manhattan, I'd take the school bus. So, oh gosh. Sorry. What was the question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3368.0,3426.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Oh, I was asking about your last time you visited Parkway Village and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3426.0,3430.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Oh, yes. So we went to Parkway Village and we walked the length and the breadth of it. Went back to all the courts that we ever lived in, had a look at what was left of playgrounds, but it was eerie because it was during a weekday. There were no sounds of children playing—because they were all at school—which is what we always heard. That's all you heard. It was children playing. And also because it'd become a cooperative, people had sectioned off their bit of patio at the back. So they all had fences, they were all fenced in, and it was all open when we were young. So that was a real shame because it really detracted from the space behind the court. It was a shame, but also the silence there, you know? And now that I'm on the Facebook, one of the Facebook pages of Parkway Village, all I hear is people who are living there moaning about the management and how awful it is and how corrupt and all this stuff, this sort of thing. And it kind of makes me a bit sad to see that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3430.0,3500.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Totally. Yeah. Is there anything else about Parkway Village or your childhood that we didn't talk about that you would like to share?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3500.0,3511.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: No, I can't—I don't know. I mean, the thing is that when you talk about how it affected us later on in life, I think that especially my younger sister and I who were in education at primary and secondary level, we tried to recreate something of the UN school in our [schools]. We both had international days and celebrated all the languages that were spoken in our schools. In my school there were about 36 languages. It was a comprehensive—it's what they call a normal public school, what you'd call a public school, state school, that I taught in. And she was also at a state primary school. And we just celebrated all the different nationalities that were in the school. It was very sort of inclusive schools and also instilling a sense of community in the children, the students. Now I was in charge of years 12 and 13. Are they years 12 and 13 in your education systems? The seniors in the high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3511.0,3582.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Oh, yeah. We say grade 12. Grade 11, grade 12 are the final grades.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3582.0,3586.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Oh, yeah. So this would be 16 to 18 year olds, basically. So I was in charge of that year group. I was the director of studies for post 16, and it was instilling within those kids that you do something that's going to benefit the community in some way. So they had to do that. And celebrating the languages that there were within our little school, it was always something very important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3586.0,3619.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: That's really fascinating. I think that shows these ripples from Parkway Village, UNIS, the UN, making your way all the way to Britain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3619.0,3632.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: That's right. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3632.0,3635.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Well, Judith, this has been such a lovely conversation. I've learned so much from you and I really enjoyed listening to all of your stories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3635.0,3644.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Well, let me know how you get on. I wanna read your dissertation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3644.0,3649.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dexter Fergie: Oh, yeah [laughs]. I'd be happy to share once it's done. And I'll keep you in the loop regarding the oral history project. There's just so many people that I'm gonna be talking to, so it's gonna be busy but a lot of fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3649.0,3669.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140/transcript/81383/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Judith Hoffman: Great. And it would be really nice to know that there was something permanent in some archive somewhere, because it was truly a very, very unique place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150806/file/278140#t=3669.0,3680.41796"}]}]}]}