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Now it's back to normal.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=0.0,4.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Okay. Maybe it's when I move, so I'll try to be more mindful.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=4.0,7.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : It's breaking up again. Now it's back to normal.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=7.0,12.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Hmm. It might be the connection. Are you hearing me okay, throughout? It's just the video?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=12.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : You see me okay? Am I breaking up?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=20.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : No, you're fine.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=20.0,25.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Okay, well I know what you look like already so -\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=25.0,26.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : [Laughs] But do let me know if you can't hear me.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=26.0,28.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : No, I'm hearing you fine.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=28.0,28.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Okay, great. Thank you Jack. So Jack, before we begin - Shelby, you're recording? Just to make sure.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=28.0,38.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nShelby Schwartz : Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=38.0,39.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Okay. Thank you. So Jack, just before we begin, do you agree to the terms and conditions outlined in the Queens Memory informed consent and copyright permission form that I shared with you over email?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=39.0,51.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=51.0,51.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Yes. Thank you. Okay. I just want to begin by saying this is Jack Eichenbaum with Sarah Pousty. We are recording on March 2nd, 2021 for the Queens Memory Project. Jack, could you just say your full name and spell it for us please?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=51.0,72.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Okay. My name is Jack Eichenbaum. 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And could you just share your age or date of birth?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=83.0,87.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Date of birth is February 2nd, 1943 which makes me 78 and feeling it [laughs].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=87.0,95.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : [Laughs] Thank you again for making the time to be with us today and to share your knowledge and your voice with us today. So I just want to start off by asking, what is your personal connection to Hunter's Point?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=95.0,109.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Very interesting. Okay. I went as an undergraduate - I went to Cooper Union, Do you know that school. It was the first time I commuted to Manhattan because my high school was in Queens where I grew up. And so Long Island City was a place that I went over or under - sometimes over the Queensboro bridge, but mostly on the subway, which goes over part of Long Island City or under parts of Long Island City. And it wasn't until my senior year at Cooper Union in 1963, that I actually was in Long Island City on foot, in Hunter's Point. And the reason that I was there was that - my senior year, I was a chemical engineer. We had, of course, cool plant trips. And we visited a plant in Long Island City, and it's a plant that's no longer there. It was the National Sugar Company, which made Jack Frost brand sugar. And it was the competitor to the American Sugar Company - the one that's still in Williamsburg, the building is still there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=109.0,175.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Domino? Domino Sugar.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=175.0,178.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : And so that was the first time I had been in Long Island City. And I toured that plant with my class in the spring of 1963. And I remember it was a building built in the 1890s and we saw the raw sugar being unloaded at the dock. And the first thing we saw this is old wooden shed and they're unloading the raw sugar. And we saw tarantulas crawling through the sugar. And then we started touring the plant and most of the plant, it was nauseating, sickeningly, sweet smell of sugar being refined, was nauseating. It wasn't until we got to the packaging where they were making cubes or putting it in boxes, that I felt more comfortable. But I remember that experience deeply. Like I never want to go through another sugar refiner and it actually put me off sugar too. I'm back on sugar again, but that was my first time that I was on foot in Long Island City in 1963. Okay. The next time I was in Long Island City - do you want to ask questions ?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=178.0,246.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Oh, no, please share. We're still just thinking about your personal connection to the area - to Hunter's Point.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=246.0,253.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : In the spring of 1963 in June, I graduated from Cooper Union and I left New York for 13 years. I was not to come back. I came back visits occasionally, but I was not to come back to live in New York until 1976 when I returned to New York. And I left New York as a chemical engineering Bachelor's degree, I then went on to get a Master's degree in chemistry, but I came back to New York with a PhD in urban geography. And I was attracted to Long Island City, in 1976. Long Island City, at that point, had a morbund - the industry was all gone, including the sugar plant. It was no longer there. New York in the 70s was a morbund place. The industry was dying. The city was dying, but I was attracted Long Islad City. I said, the future of New York is in Long Island City.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=253.0,312.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : This place has all the space that you need to build something new. And it has all the transportation - it has water transportation on the water, it has the Long Island Expressway, it has the Queens-Midtown Tunnel, it has all the subway lines going. Long Island City, like Midtown Manhattan, like Lower Manhattan, like Downtown Brooklyn is one of four places in New York that's got all the subway lines going through it. And I said, this place is the future. And I began to study the Long Island City on foot. And I was so attracted to the place that it took a good 25 years before people began to notice what I had noticed. If you're familiar with with Long Island City now, and Hunter's Point, you see what has happened in the last 20 - 25 years, but I'm talking about in the 70s. I'm talking about more than 40 years ago when there was nothing there - at least nothing modern. And now, there's a lot of modern stuff and a lot of the old stuff that I saw in mid-70s is gone and it's been replaced by high priced apartment buildings and high rise buildings and a whole bunch of people who are more attracted to Manhattan than they are to Queens. They don't know anything about Queens. They live in Long Island City cause they see it as an extension of Manhattan.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=312.0,393.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Yeah. Oh no. I think that touches on so many things that I was hoping we would talk about today. Your introduction does, so I'm just so excited for this conversation and all the knowledge that you're bringing. So yeah, I guess as the Queensboro historian, what are some things that people don't know about Hunter's Point? I think you've already named a few, but what are some things that people don't know about Hunter's Point that you think they should?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=393.0,420.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Hunter's Point was the terminus of the first - no, not the first, but an early railroad. The first railroad built in Queens was in - what we now call around the Long Island Railroad, but really was a railroad from Brooklyn to Jamaica. And that railroad was - people shipped stuff by ferry from Manhattan, or picked up stuff in Queens by using a ferry to connect to Downtown Brooklyn - Atlantic Avenue. And there was a railroad that went as far as Jamaica and eventually, went on to Oregon Point. That was the first railroad in Queens, but another early railroad - Flushing and Jamaica were rivals. And in the early 1850s, Flushing people built a railroad from Flushing to Hunter's Point and that's about in 1851. And that was the Flushing - Long Island City Railroad. These are not made - the Long Island Railroad was not consolidated until the 1870s from separate railroads. And there was a railroad from Flushing to Hunter's Point in the 1850s, about 18 years after the first railroad in Queens that went from Jamaica to Brooklyn. And that railroad was very important and it made the Long Island City a very, very important place because it became a terminus for industry, a place where industry could bloom. And also a place where farm products from Long Island could be transported by ferry, brought to Long Island City by rail, and then transported to markets in Manhattan, but ferry from Long Island City, from Hunter's Point. And that really put Hunter's Point on the map.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=420.0,528.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Wow, so it's sort of been this hub for a very long time.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=528.0,532.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Most people don't know about that. And so that's what made Long Island City important. Before that, it's not really very important at all. More important were Jamaica and Flushing. The connection to Manhattan was first made when the railroad came to Long Island City and the ferry connection was made. And now we have that - and then that ferry went out of business. When we built the Queensboro bridge, it wasn't necessary, but that ferry has recently come back for commuters. You could take a ferry from Hunter's - you can take two different ferries from the Hunter's Point area over to Manhattan.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=532.0,569.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Yeah. It's incredible. I had just recently learned that there had been a ferry from Hunter's Point to Manhattan since the 1800s. You just gave a lot more detail about that connection, but I think that as someone who lives in western Queens for the past 13-14 years, the ferry seemed like such a new feature. I didn't realize that it was something that has such a history in the area.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=569.0,595.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : 1850s. It was really what made Long Island City. And the name 'Long Island City' comes from this special ferry connection and Long Island City became important enough as this trans-shipment point to become a separate city opposite Manhattan, just like Brooklyn was a separate city opposite Manhattan. Long Island became a separate city in 1870, and lasted as a separate city until it was incorporated into greater New York in 1898. But for 28 years, this was a separate city, which included everything. It was a seven square mile city, one-third the size of Manhattan, which included the whole shoreline from Hunter's Point, all the way up to Astoria. Astoria was a separate [inaudible] and it was incorporated into Long Island City, along with Hunter's Point and Sunnyside.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=595.0,650.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Wow. I did not know that [laughs]. I think that's a great segue to my next question though, of just being part of the Queens Historical Society, how do you connect all of the histories of Hunter's Point, Long Island City and the greater Queens area? You're kind of naming the way that transportation has done that. I don't know if you want to speak more about that, or if something else comes to mind.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=650.0,676.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Don't be confused with Huntspoint. Huntspoint is a peninsula in the Bronx where our farmers markets are. Connects from Southern Boulevard down to Huntspoint, doesn't have a railroad connection like Long Island City and it's in the Bronx, but it's named for a different Hunt, rather than Hunter [laughs].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=676.0,703.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : [Laughs]. Interesting. Yeah. Thank you for making that distinction. Did you want to speak more just about the way that Hunter's Point - the history of Hunter's Point kind of connects to the greater Queens area?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=703.0,720.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Well, the first railroad went to Flushing, but then Hunter's Point became such a special place that another railroad connected it to Jamaica. And there was something called the Montauk Cutoff. I don't know if you've ever heard of that term, but Montauk Cutoff was when - it was the main route of the Queens, let me see -\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=720.0,749.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : I haven't brushed up on this. The main line of the Long Island Railroad actually also went to Long Island. There were three railroads that went to Long Island City. The main one of the Long Island Railroad, which now goes to Forest Hills and then out through the central part of Long Island. And then there was a smaller railroad called the Montauk Cutoff that connected the Jamaica line to Long Island City also. So there were three rail lines that connected into Hunter's Point. Tremendously important because that was where things got their [unclear]. And - whoops the thing was completely gone. You were hidden by a big green bar.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=749.0,803.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : [Laughs] I can still hear you. Can you still hear me okay?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=803.0,806.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Yes. I can hear you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=806.0,808.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : And I can also see you Jack. I can see you fine.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=808.0,810.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : So Hunter's Point was really the terminus of all the railroads and therefore the most important place in Long Island City. And from in Hunter's Point, the ferries went to two different - the railroads connected to the gantries. Are you familiar with the gantries in Gantry State Park?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=810.0,839.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Yeah, yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=839.0,839.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : In modern Long Island City, the waterfronts have been converted into the parks and the main park is called Gantry State Park, which goes through Hunter's Point and connects all the park lawn there. And you can see the old railroads there because the designer of Gantry State Park left a little bit of the railroads there. You can see them going through there and left the gantries there. And the gantries were structures that transferred products from the rail lines that came into Long Island City, from the box cars to came into Long Island City, onto the ferries that left Long Island City to Manhattan.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=839.0,885.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : That's what the gantries were used for, to making that transfer. And the gantry structures are so much there. And one of the things I love about doing my walks is that so much of history has been left in Long Island City. The designers left it in our state parks and you can actually see what I'm talking about when we give walking tours. I love giving walking tours. There are two places where I give walking tours the most: Flushing, where I live, it's also a very old place, and Long Island City is another place that I love to give walking tours because well, I've explored it so much.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=885.0,924.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : [Laughs]. Yeah. When we were learning about your work, we saw that you do walking tours on the 7 train. And what are your thoughts of sort of doing - what are the stops that you hit in Hunter's Point on your walking tours when you're doing your Long Island City walking tours? What spots do you make sure to hit?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=924.0,945.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Oh gosh. Well, I just mentioned them. I mean, we look at the park - we look at Gantry State Park. And we look at the piers and we look at the gantries, which are still there. And we look at the rail, the little pieces of rail that are still there that shows you that they really were railroads that went all the way down there. And we look at the new Queensboro Public Library branch, which is right in Hunter's Point as well. And we look at the new condominiums that are there, which are not tremendously inspired, but they're there [laughs]. And some of the walks I do in Long Island City take you up to Old Astoria. And some of the walks are parallel to the river and some of the walks that I do in Long Island City take you across the Pulaski Bridge to the south to Brooklyn and connect to you there. And some of the walks take you across Queensboro Bridge to Manhattan.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=945.0,1004.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : So, it's kind of like this crossroads that you can go these three different ways when you're standing at Hunter's Point.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1004.0,1014.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Did you look at my website?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1014.0,1014.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1014.0,1014.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : If you'd see on my website, on the page I have for Long Island City, you can see a map of all the transportation connections that go through Hunter's Point. You can see the bridge, you can see the subways, you can see the roads.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1014.0,1027.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : I'll have to check that out.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1027.0,1028.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : It's transportation in Long Island City - it's really a transportation Mecca, with the Long Island Expressway, all the ferry stops, the railroads and the local roads as well.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1028.0,1043.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : So, thinking back to Hunter's Point when you first saw it - did you say in 1963?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1043.0,1052.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Yes.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1052.0,1052.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Yeah. So how has it changed within the last 10 years? You know, in 2010 - 2020, how has it changed?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1052.0,1063.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : The real changes began in the 80s when they started rezoning and they started building high rise apartment houses here. In the last 10 years, I don't think there have been much - I mean, it's mostly been built up. There haven't been that many changes. I'm trying to think - the library is the most important thing. And the second ferry. The ferry that goes to Roosevelt Island and then to Long Island City and Astoria, I think that's in the last 10 years, but I don't know. As you get older things move so fast, that may be older than that, but I don't know. [Laughs]. Maybe that's even before 10 years ago. I don't know. When I think it changes in Long Island City, I witnessed most of the changes. When I think of the last 10 years, I don't think there have been that many changes [inaudible].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1063.0,1127.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : As a historian, how has the social perception of Hunter's Point changed? And why do you think that is? The way that people sort of see Hunter's Point from - thinking back to the 60s when it was a place of industry to now, how has the social perception changed and why do you think that is?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1127.0,1147.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : The people who live in Hunter's Point are not Queens natives. And they're not like most of the people who live in Queens. They're not immigrants. Queens is almost half immigrants. You don't have immigrants living in Long Island City. They can't afford it. Most of the people who live in that - I'm sorry. Excuse me.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1147.0,1167.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Take your time. That's all right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1167.0,1169.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : I'll have to call you back. I'm on a conference call. Okay. All right. See now I lost my train of thought.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1169.0,1182.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : I can - Would you like me to repeat the question?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1182.0,1184.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : I have to go back on the train [laughs]. Yes, what's the question?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1184.0,1189.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : I was just asking just as a historian, how the social - your perspective of how the social perception of Hunter's Point has changed and why you think that is?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1189.0,1202.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Queens is full of new people. I'd say I'm one of the few old timers. Most of the most people in the 70s - in the 70s was the first decade when Queens lost population. It's the first time that New York City lost big. New York City lost almost about a million people in the 70s. New York City lost - what happened in the 50s, Bronx, Brooklyn and Manhattan lost people but Queens gained a lot and so did of Staten Island. In the 70s, everybody lost but Queens became a place for immigrants whereas the native born started fleeing and suburbanizing. The immigrants came in and as I said, beginning in the 70s, the immigrant movement went to Queens. And by now, Queens is almost 50% immigrants, but you don't find them in Long Island City. And instead you find all these people who were refugees from Manhattan that would prefer to live in Long Island City because they can afford the more expensive condos of Long Island City, whereas they might not be able to afford the condos in Manhattan.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1202.0,1277.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : But Long Island City is better designed. You buy a condo in Long Island City, you're not going to be pinned in like you will be in Manhattan. I know people who live in expensive apartments in Manhattan, but they have no view. They just looked at bricks or they look at some other buildings. In Long Island City, the buildings are farther enough apart that you have much better views, particularly along the waterfront. The Hunter's Point waterfront area has been well-planned. When you get inland to the Long Island City, you may run into the same mistakes they do in other places. But the waterfront in Long Island City is well-planned, it's done very, very well. People have much better views. The buildings are spaced farther apart. The architecture is nothing great, but at least the planning is rather good. So, those people are doing very well compared to people in Manhattan, but they really don't relate to Queens. I remember there are people who, when they first moved to Long Island City, they would go to Manhattan to shop [laughs] because you couldn't really shop. There were no supermarkets in Long Island City. They would bring back stuff from Manhattan. They are Manhattan-oriented people in Long Island City that really don't relate to the rest of Queens.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1277.0,1354.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Meanwhile, on the other hand, the rest of Queens doesn't really relate to Long Island City. They don't really go there, except on the 4th of July because you get very good views on the waterfront. I don't think people really come. The rest of Queens really relate to Long Island City socially because there's this different class of people. So, there's a class difference and an ethnicity division. An ethnicity class division rolling out on cities, got people who are richer, whiter, and much less ethnic than the rest of Queens. And they don't socialize that well with one another.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1354.0,1397.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Yeah, I think thinking just about again, how it used to be an industrial center and shifted to now what is being called a new and growing neighborhood, I think that you hit on a few ways of what that looks like. Is there anything more that you want to say about what caused that shift and sort of what the historical fact is of why that is?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1397.0,1422.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Well, the cause of the shift was economic and also zoning. Long Island City was all zoned for manufacturing. And when I came back in the 70s, they were still hoping that in Long Island City that the manufacturing jobs would return. I remember when I first came back in the 70s, they had built two new manufacturing plants. At the Hunter's Point itself, there was a Daily News printing plant and there was something else. They were both industrial, but eventually those failed. You don't find any industrial stuff in Hunter's Point anymore. Most have been removed. First, the Sugar Factory went in the late 60s after I went there. And then in the 70s, they built up the Daily News printing plant and something else. And those failed also. So, it was a failure to bring industrial jobs back, except small industry that have to do with computers that were finding spaces in the old manufacturing buildings. But then most of the old manufacturing was rezoned. They were torn down or the whole areas were rezoned for residential and the buildings were torn down or [unclear] or whatever for residential. And so it would be this planning and zoning changed Long Island City. And then the kinds of people that went there were a result of that change.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1422.0,1516.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : And since industry has changed in the neighborhood, as you've clearly given us a description of, there's a lot more public space available. So you spoke a little bit about Gantry Plaza State Park, can you share just what the importance is of public spaces like this in the area?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1516.0,1536.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Well, the waterfront is a triumph. I think it's one of the best waterfront parks in the city. There are some other public places in Long Island City and Hunter's Point that are not bad. I mean, around Queensboro Plaza, there are some parks and also in the - Oh, what's that area where City Corps is, in that vicinity, the City Corps building, there are some public spaces that aren't bad either, but the triumph is the waterfront park. Gantry State Park is a miracle. They did it right. That doesn't mean that all the buildings have been done right, but the parks have been done right.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1536.0,1584.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Can you share what they did right with the parks? What do you - from your perspective?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1584.0,1588.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : The whole thing is open to the public. It's a real pleasure to be there, to walk along the waterfront and have that waterfront open to the public. It's not private parks. It's a delight to walk out on the piers and see the Manhattan skyline, see the Williamsburg bridge, the Roosevelt Island bridge, the Queensboro bridge. You can get out on the piers and see everything. It's really become - when I was first there in the 60s, you couldn't do any of that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1588.0,1622.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : What did it look like then? What did the waterfront look like then?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1622.0,1626.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Rusting piers and old industrial buildings, that's it. And nobody went there and the water was dirtier. The East River water is much cleaner than it used to be. You see lots of ducks have rehabitated it.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1626.0,1644.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : [Laughs] So the wildlife is returning.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1644.0,1647.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Although, when I was a child - now I'm talking back to the 40s and 50s, they used to swim in the East River. Kids from Harlem used to swim in the East River. I never did that, but I did swim once in Flushing Bay. I mean, I was putting in [unclear] about my swimming, but then New York waters got so polluted, but we're on the way back. We're cleaning up our water. Well done. There's a couple of organizations called - one for Flushing Bay and another one for Newtown Creek. I'm not getting the names right, but they're doing a lot to make people aware of those waterways and clean them up.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1647.0,1689.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : So Jack for you, what does community mean to you and how do you see a sense of community in Hunter's Point?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1689.0,1701.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Well, I think the best thing is we need to go there, particularly on a walk with me or a walk yourself, you see people enjoying, even during this pandemic. For a year, I have not been down to Long Island City, but I would imagine that in Long Island City, you'll see people enjoying the waterfront, maybe with masks on. They'll be walking their dogs. I don't think too many people are going to Long island City who don't live there. But I'm sure the people who live in Long Island City are enjoying the waterfront and the parks. I know I still get emails cause the Hunter's Point Park has an advocacy group, like Central Park does, and like Flushing Meadow Park does and like Prospect Park. A lot of wealthy people there and they have a good strong advocacy group. I get their newsletters and I know there are plenty of activities there.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1701.0,1759.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : And what does community mean to you?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1759.0,1762.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : They plant tulip bulbs, all kinds of things. There are people that are doing things in Long Island City, although lately I haven't seen it. I haven't gone there for over a year.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1762.0,1774.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : So I guess - Oh, sorry, Jack, I can't see you. So it's hard for me to see when you're about to start sharing or when you're finishing sharing something.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1774.0,1786.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Can you see me now?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1786.0,1786.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Yeah. That's better. You kind of shifted over [laughs].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1786.0,1790.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : I'm in a swivvle chair. I just shifted around.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1790.0,1794.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : [Laughs] It's all good. Go ahead. I didn't mean to cut you off. I'm sorry.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1794.0,1799.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : And I forgot where I was.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1799.0,1802.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : I think you were sharing about some of the organizing and advocacy that's happening involving the waterfront in the Hunter's Point area.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1802.0,1811.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : But there is an advocacy group for Hunter's Point Parks and that's the whole waterfront in Long Island City. The original Gantry Park and then Hunter's Point Park South. Gantry Is a state park and Hunter's Point Park South is a city park. Not to be confused, although they seem to flow together very, very well. And there is a very well organized group of people that advocates for those parks and gets people organized, the volunteers. And as I said, there are a lot of wealthy people - well, reasonably well-off people, but certainly wealthy than the rest of Queens. And it's not hard to get those people advocating for the parks. I've met some of them. I've been to some of their activities not, as I say, recently but they're still doing things because I get their newsletter.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1811.0,1865.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : So I kind of hear you saying that when you think about community in the Hunter's Point area, it kind of centers around these green spaces.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1865.0,1876.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Yes. If you want, I'll forward you an issue with their newsletter and you could probably [unclear] do that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1876.0,1885.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Sure. Yeah. I can also look into it too, but thank you.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1885.0,1890.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Hunter's Point Park Conservancy, I think it's called. So, I'll let you take care of it then?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1890.0,1897.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Yes. I'm actually just gonna write it down now. Hunter's Point Conservancy?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1897.0,1902.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Hunter's Point Park Conservancy - something like that, but if you Google you'll find it. I can also send and forward something.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1902.0,1917.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Got it. Thank you. And have you seen the neighborhood - do you feel like it's, I guess from what you're saying, it seems like the green spaces are kind of like a place where people connect?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1917.0,1934.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Public spaces.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1934.0,1935.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Public spaces, yeah. Do you get the feeling that Hunter's Point is a neighborhood where everyone knows each other, or have you seen it have more developing of an identity?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1935.0,1945.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : I don't think people know each other there, as well as they do in other neighborhoods, because most of the people are new, as compared to other neighborhoods where people have been living all their lives. And obviously, nobody in Hunter's Point have been living there their whole lives, except children. I'm just guessing. I don't know the social dynamics that well. I'm not one of the people that live there. I suspect that you might be better interviewing some people who actually live there. I'm just making some guesses.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1945.0,1980.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Thank you. No, we appreciate your voice and your perspective and how does the 7 train kind of connect a good portion of Queens and how has it impacted the population in areas like Hunter's Point, just thinking, circling back to the 7 train?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1980.0,1996.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Before the pandemic, the 7 was becoming one of the most crowded trains in the whole subway system. And partly because there are all these new people in Long Island City who dependent on number 7 to get into work. Number 7 is the main - there are some other subway lines - but the most important one is the 7, which connects to Times Square and to Grand Central, Port Authority building, which brought people from Long Island City to all those important places in Manhattan. And as I said in the beginning, before there were supermarkets in Long Island City when they first built buildings and they built the park and they built buildings, before there was even a supermarket in Long Island City, people would shop in Manhattan and then bring back groceries on the train with them.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=1996.0,2050.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : So the 7 train was essential [laughs].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2050.0,2053.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Yeah, essential. Nowadays, I don't know what people do with the 7, and we have the ferries and lots of the people who live in Long Island City, a lot of the new buildings have garage space and they traveled by car, which is something that the majority of people in New York City do not do. New York City is the only city in the country where only on minority of households own automobiles, but I'd say in Long Island City, it's a majority of people who own automobiles, and they have garages in their buildings. And they're wealthy enough to own cars and pay insurance and keep them where they live in Long Island City. I don't know if - one of the things that - it's really after the pandemic, I really haven't thought about this. A lot of wealthy people in Manhattan left New York during the pandemic. I'm just wondering if that's true in Long Island City also. Any of those people may have second homes. Where do you live?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2053.0,2117.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : I live in Astoria, but I live off of the Ditmar stop. So I actually live very close to the water treatment plant, right on 20th Avenue. It's an area that's changing. I think the building that I'm in is one of the - I think probably one of the newer residential buildings on 20th Avenue.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2117.0,2140.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Okay. What Long Island City did - the success of Long Island City made places like places like Sunnyside and Astoria much more expensive than they used to be. [Laughs]. Going back to New York in the 70s, Sunnyside, Long Island City and Astoria were cheap, relatively cheap compared to, say, Manhattan and Brooklyn or wherever. Now they're getting way up there too.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2140.0,2165.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Yeah. We've been here for about 14 years in the area and yeah, we've gotten pushed further and further up [laughs].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2165.0,2175.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Now, I have questions myself, where did you grow up?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2175.0,2178.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : I grew up in Rockland County, right outside the city. But my parents immigrated to the United States from Iran and and actually my father immigrated in the 60s and he lived in Flushing. That was his first home, when the World's Fair was still up at Flushing Meadows. So he would take the 7 train to Flushing and he would see the World's Fair on his way home to the apartment that he shared with like five or six other men from his country. So I feel a very strong connection with Queens, even though I didn't grow up here myself.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2178.0,2221.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Queens is different from the other boroughs, in that Queens as an entire borough, doesn't have as much as an identity as all the different neighborhoods. When I was a kid, nobody lived in Queens. They lived in these little neighborhoods. And, in fact, in Queens, your address is not Queens. You write your address as Long Island City or Bayside, or Astoria or whatever.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2221.0,2246.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : That's true [laughs].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2246.0,2246.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : The other boroughs you write Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan and Staten Island, and then the neighborhood. And there's a good reason for that. And I've written about that, but I'm not going to go into that now [laughs].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2246.0,2260.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Hmm. Maybe that could be an interview for another day. I'm very interested in your thoughts about that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2260.0,2267.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : You're from Iran [inaudible] and that's one of the few really important countries that I've never been to.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2267.0,2276.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Well, I haven't been either, but I hope in my lifetime, I do get to see my ancestral home.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2276.0,2283.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : East [unclear] to Iran happened before you were born. When I was born, we were very friendly with Iran and the Shah of Iran and all that stuff and all then all of that changed in 1980 [laughs].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2283.0,2297.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Well, we're actually nearing the end. We actually have gotten through most of the questions that I prepared. And actually the next question is, I think kind of brings our conversation full circle. You shared about having this vision for Hunter's Point way back in the 70s before the actual changes that you envisioned came into being. So, I guess I kind of want to know, what are the changes that you see happening going forward? What are your predictions for the next five years? Next 10 years in the Hunter's Point area?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2297.0,2337.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Well, going out on a limb - and I used to make predictions, but the pandemic has so changed everybody's view of the world and has really fouled up the prediction makers. I mean, I don't know anymore. New York - let's put it this way - I don't use the term 'retired' because retired means going to sleep, but I haven't gone to a job for 16 years. But the activities, the things that I like doing, and the reason I stayed in New York since in the last 16 years, is that - well, here are the things I love to do, which I can't do. I love to do my walking tours. I love to travel. Ten weeks a year, I'd be out of New York traveling domestically or internationally. I love going to the theater and other live culture. And I love eating out with my friends and I can't do any of that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2337.0,2397.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : All of that's been curtailed. This is my social life it's basically on the internet right now. I'm really getting tired of these Zoom calls or whatever. You're a pleasant one to Zoom with because you're very pretty and we're talking about a subject that's very dear to me, but a lot of - I don't know. I'm just so anxious to resume doing things in person again. And I don't know if New York will ever recover. I mean, it's so important to New York and now so many people have gotten used to doing things with computers at home. I don't know if they'll go back and a lot of people have left New York. I don't know when we're going to confirm the census, but how many people left New York during the pandemic and are not coming back. I know a lot of people who were in business are never going to go back to business. I see all the empty store fronts in my neighborhood, and I'm sure they're there in Long Island City also. How about you in Astoria?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2397.0,2463.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Oh yeah. Yeah.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2463.0,2463.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Where are these people now? Did they leave? Have they gone someplace else? What's happening? And we lost a lot of people. New York was really, before the pandemic, New York was on a real roll. And we're not on that role anymore. We may be hurting more than most places.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2463.0,2486.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : So I'm very reluctant to make any - I was a big science fiction fan growing up as a kid, but I never imagined anything like this. I imagined invasions for outer space, but I never imagined the virus [laughs]. So I don't know where they come from, but this one sure changed the world and I never thought about this kind of change. And it's been dramatic cause I know how it's been for every adult. It's been a dramatic year. So I'm not going to - I can't answer your question. I mean, particularly in that I'm 78 and my imagination is a little constrained these days. Until we were out of this whole thing, I couldn't get her to make a prediction.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2486.0,2540.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : I hear you. I hear you. And I think what you're sharing is a feeling that's shared among so many of us. So my last question for you, Jack, is just, what are you most hopeful for?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2540.0,2560.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : What am I what hopeful for?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2560.0,2561.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : What are you most hopeful for?\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2561.0,2564.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Most hopeful? You see I heard less hopeful [laughs]. What am I most - well, I guess the end of the pandemic. And New York is such a wonderfully sociable city. I mean, people get and do all these cultural things. I want to be able to go back to the theater again. The theater keeps me alive. I can't do live culture on the internet. The best thing I've done is art exhibitions. I've gone to galleries on the internet. That's not bad, but if I do concerts, particularly with my hearing problems, the sound is no good. Even going to museums is not that much fun because you like to be able to talk to somebody while you're there. It's a whole other experience. It's a good thing we have all these technical toys to play with that help fill the gap, but I just want this to be over. I want to travel again. I used to travel ten weeks a year, domestically and abroad. I've been on every continent except Antarctica. I'd rather go where there's beaches to swin in, not penguins [laughs].\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2564.0,2651.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : So, I'm going to Florida next month, my first trip out of New York by plane. I took one trip by car and by train, other people were driving. I came back to New York, actually in 1976, I sold my last car. I've been living in New York since 1976 without a car and thriving with it. But I have trouble walking now. It's one of these old age problems that I have. Arthritis, I don't know. I don't want to buy a car. I can't hurt my [unclear] so bad that I can't drive at night, anyways.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2651.0,2693.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : So, really my most hopeful for it is get this pandemic over with, and let's go out and have fun with people again, without this [unclear] and our culture. But I will say this: there is one wonderful thing about Queens which you can do right now, is that more than any place in the United States that's documented and probably more than any place in the world, Queens is home to people whose ethnicities span the whole world. And that's how people get along here. Not everywhere and not everybody, but there are neighborhoods like Astoria, like Flushing, like particularly midst to the pandemic, Elmhurst is probably the place where the most different people and they all get along, young people, particularly. I live around the corner from Flushing High school. And when I moved to my apartment in 1978, I used to see kids hanging out.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2693.0,2755.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : And [inaudible] through from a long wide area and they [inaudible] in or whatever. And you'd see kids after school hanging out in groups, just like the race question in the census. They were the Latinos over there and they were the white kids over there and the black kids over there and the Asian kids over there. Now you see kids - it's kind of similar mix of people - but now you see kids coming out of Flushing High school and they hang out with their friends. And they've also got weird-colored hair and piercings or whatever. And you look at these groups of people and they're very heterogeneous. They don't mix. I mean, Queens is so great that way. You know what I'm talking about. We all get along so well and not just racially, but I mean, in terms of sexual preferences, all of that stuff. We're in the most advanced place in the whole world and I'm so proud of that. And that's during the pandemic [unclear]. Well, we've had a lot of trouble with the pandemic because people did mix it up so much [laughs] anyway.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2755.0,2822.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : Thank you, Jack. Thank you for uplifting what your hopes are and also what you love about where you've lived so much of your life. I appreciate that.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2822.0,2833.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nJack Eichenbaum : Yeah. Pleasure speaking with you. Thank you so much.\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2833.0,2836.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463/transcript/31582/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nSarah Pousty : So, we are gonna stop recording and I am going to lead us through the demographic survey.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/47093/file/120463#t=2836.0,2842.47"}]}]}]}