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How did they arrive in the Bronx and where you grew up? What are their backstories?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=0.0,15.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Well, my grandparents came from Eastern Europe. Being of Jewish background, it is most likely that they lived in what was called the Pale of Settlement, which encompasses Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Romania, many Eastern European countries whose borders frequently changed. And that's the reason why we say Eastern European Jews instead of Russian, because a lot of times we don't know, or the borders have changed, and it's a different country now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=15.0,62.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: So they came here in the early 1900s, I believe somewhere between 1900 and nineteen-teens, probably settled on the Lower East Side, and—as many immigrants have done before them and after them—when they settled and found work and good paying jobs, they got out of the Lower East Side and they sought greener pastures, which at that time—the Bronx. [Both of Kitty's parents were born in the Bronx. Clarification provided by the interviewee]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=62.0,107.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And even today, the Bronx has very beautiful green sections. It's not all like depicted in the news, the South Bronx with the burnt out houses or anything. Sometimes when I tell people that I was born in the Bronx or grew up in the Bronx, I immediately see their faces change to this like, \"oh, poor you.\" But it wasn't that way at all. It was almost like a country childhood. I lived across the street from Bronx Park, which was a forest, a forest of trees and—should I shut [the phone] off? I'm gonna shut it off. [pause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=107.0,169.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And it was just beautiful. And of course, we're talking more than 70 years ago, so it was also perfectly safe. Children could go out and play on their own and explore—we used to call it \"the woods\"—pick edible berries and other things. It was idyllic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=169.0,196.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Especially for people who'd known poverty and deprivation. To live in the Bronx was like heaven. It also, in its history, had a reputation of being friendly to socialist-minded Jews, progressive Jews, not religious ones. So where I grew up, the Pelham Parkway, Bronx Park East section, there were a lot of so-called revolutionaries and socialists. That's where all of our family lived.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=196.0,247.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Were your parents also part of this milieu of revolutionary socialists?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=247.0,251.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Kind of, yeah. They were free thinkers, I think. They were absolutely not religious. I don't think they were particularly political, but they certainly weren't religious, and they didn't want to keep up any of the customs of the old country. They just wanted to be modern Americans. And I think they succeeded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=251.0,284.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Also at that time, families did tend to live in close proximity, so you could visit your cousins just a few blocks away, or maybe across town your grandparents lived. But my dad had a car, so we visited often, and the whole family lived in the Bronx until one aunt and uncle—the aunt being the first of our family to go to college—moved to Queens. And they moved to Jackson Heights, to the first co-op community in New York , I think. Certainly in Queens, but I think also in New York. But don't quote me on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=284.0,341.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And it was absolutely beautiful. Beautiful building and manicured grounds, landscaped and everything. And I always remember when we got off the elevator on their floor, it was kind of a black linoleum, and it was so shiny that it looked like it was wet. That's how it was maintained at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=341.0,369.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: So they were the pioneers. They continued the upwardly mobile trek through New York, but instead of leaving Lower East Side for the Bronx, they left the Bronx for Queens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=369.0,387.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: My parents, on the other hand, weren't all that anxious to move to Queens. My mother preferred Brooklyn. And part of the reason for that was because when she was a child, she'd been taken to Coney Island on the train, and that whole experience left a very deep impression on her. She fell in love with Brooklyn. So her goal was, if we leave the Bronx, we're going to Brooklyn. And we did. Eventually. So that was probably in the mid to late 60s that we moved to Brooklyn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=387.0,431.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: And where did you go in Brooklyn?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=431.0,434.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: King's Highway. I think it's the Midwood section of Brooklyn. I think that's what it's called.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=434.0,441.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: How old were you at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=441.0,443.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: I was already 17 or 18. I think I'd started college, and I wasn't really there that many years because at that time, once you were 18, you could actually afford to get your own apartment—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=443.0,469.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: [laughs] Imagine [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=469.0,471.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: —could afford to go out once a week, go on vacation during the summer, outfit yourself with a nice wardrobe, buy plenty of records, and with so little money. I think one of my first full-time jobs, I earned less than $10,000 a year and had probably more latitude for lifestyle amenities than I do now [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=471.0,505.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Do you remember what kind of clothes you were buying or wearing or what kind of records you were listening to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=505.0,517.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Moody Blues. That's the only thing that springs to mind. Carole King, maybe a little later. I don't remember that sharply. We all listened to the same stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=517.0,537.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And clothes—I was never really that much of a shopper or a clothes horse, but now when I see old pictures of myself, I can tell that I was quite well dressed, quite well put together in whatever was stylish at the time. Whether it was huge bell-bottom pants that looked like a skirt or wide-legged jeans, I looked fashionable. 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How old were you when you went to Spain?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=580.0,593.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: I was in my 20s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=593.0,595.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: And what kind of work were you doing before that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=595.0,599.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Before that? Well, all kinds of office work, general office work that could be titled clerical, secretarial, and those terms fell into disuse and everybody became an administrative assistant. But I was really a secretary or a typist, and I worked in a lot of different types of organizations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=599.0,630.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: But the most interesting was the Brooklyn Hospital. Even though I worked in the administrative offices and had no contact with anything medical, the idea of it was very appealing to me. 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I remember you saying—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=685.0,691.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Very little.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=691.0,692.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: —you were going out to the Rockaways quite a bit when you were young.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=692.0,695.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: When I was much younger, yes. By that time, I don't think during that period when I lived in Brooklyn and lived in Queens, even when I first came back, I probably hadn't been to Queens other than possibly to visit my aunt in many years until the boyfriend found the apartment in Astoria. And that's when I just—full speed ahead. Because everything about that living arrangement worked out very well for both of us, initially anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=695.0,746.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Can you talk about the story of moving into Queens? At first? I remember you talking about—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=746.0,752.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Oh, coming over on the train the first time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=752.0,755.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Yeah. And looking for the apartment and finding it, and then setting up your photography practice, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=755.0,760.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: My boyfriend at that time found the apartment, I guess in the newspaper. That's how you did it. And so we arranged to come one evening and look at the place, and we took the subway from Brooklyn or maybe Manhattan. Maybe we started out in Manhattan. We came to Astoria. And of course, the first stop in Queens is Queensboro Plaza on the N train when you're going to Astoria. And it was twilight, I think, or nearly twilight. So it just looked otherworldly. I felt like I was on a roller coaster or one of those big merry-go-rounds from Coney Island. But it was very surreal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=760.0,822.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And we walked to the place that we came to look at. Very unassuming little private house, but the entire second floor would be ours, and it was an apartment as well as a spare room on the floor that would've been a wardrobe or storage, either a daily wardrobe or a storage wardrobe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=822.0,852.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Because there was really, I think in the three-room apartment, only one closet, and it wasn't very big. So the house undoubtedly was designed to be for one family, but had been broken in two. And that room was just left that way. And it was a real room. It wasn't just a storage closet, it was a full size room with a built-in wardrobe and a window. So my boyfriend saw it as an ideal place to build a dark room.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=852.0,895.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And although I thought I wasn't ready, he thought that it would be fine. And he set to work, sealing off the window, sealing out all the light, going to places where we bought blackout curtains and all kinds of paraphernalia to set up a dark room, which we did, or he did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=895.0,919.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Am I remembering correctly that he was a painter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=919.0,922.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=922.0,922.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: You were the photographer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=922.0,924.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=924.0,924.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Was he taking photos at all, or he just wanted to set up a dark darkroom for you to expand your path?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=924.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: I don't think he was taking many photos. I was taking photos of him, but no, he wasn't, not at that time. Not that I can recall ever, in fact. I was the one who handled the camera, but it was an art form, and he liked the idea that his girlfriend was becoming an artist as well. So he was extremely encouraging, and I really needed that encouragement, and I blossomed from it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=930.0,964.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: So what was your photography practice like in those early days in Queens when you'd just come back from Spain? And were you going out into Chinatown at that point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=964.0,979.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Not yet. No. I think I was doing a lot of nature stuff. Like we would go places, or even if I just went to Central Park, I liked doing nature. And if I did any urban photography at all, it didn't include people. I was very inhibited. And sometimes I would just stand and wait until everybody left so I could get some architectural feature that I liked, but no people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=979.0,1017.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And likewise with nature, there was nothing to have to confront. I was still working quite passively, you might say. And some of the work was pretty, and it was interesting. But I don't think that it's as—doesn't have the vitality that it later required when I started including people and interacting with people, when I overcame my inhibitions, and actually not just photographed from a distance with a long lens, but actually made an effort to talk to people, because I was always curious about anything that was different from my own experience. Virtually anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1017.0,1082.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And I think I probably got that from my mom. Because I can remember, as a very young child, going to Chinatown with my parents and being in awe of those curio shops with the little dolls, with their little straight black wigs. And my mom being probably the only New York Jew who knew what kumquats were, I must have gotten it from her. Because I was just like, if it's different for me, I want to know what it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1082.0,1122.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: So how did you start that street photography practice? 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And go back, I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1134.0,1188.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: So that period when you were taking lots of photographs in Chinatown, how frequently would you go? What would it look like when you'd go? Who would you talk with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1188.0,1201.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Probably a couple of times a week. And another reason for that was that I had put together an artist portfolio that I brought to review by the—it was a cooperative gallery. So there was a committee that would review the work of potential new members. And I got in. And it was Soho Photo Gallery on White Street, and I believe it's still there, and it's still operating as a photographer's cooperative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1201.0,1242.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And it was just a stone's throw from Chinatown. So I could frequently hit two birds with one stone, very easily. Swing by the gallery, or if there was a meeting, or if I needed to fulfill gallery sitting, because as a cooperative everybody had to do that. And then afterwards, you would just hop over to Chinatown and get a meal. And of course, there were so many choices, but of course, everybody tends to gravitate to a favorite.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1242.0,1290.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: So once you keep going back, and you keep seeing the same staff, and they keep seeing you, you start having little conversations, and it kind of takes off from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1290.0,1304.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: But it wasn't only restaurants that I was going to. I would walk into, for example, the record store, and I fell in love with Cantopop, the music. The words, of course, I couldn't understand. It didn't matter. There was just something so catchy about it that I couldn't get enough. So one of the young women who worked behind the counter who saw me coming in frequently offered to explain things to me and tell me who was the most popular and recommend new music or new artists that were coming out. And she kind of became my music mentor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1304.0,1355.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: So right around this time, I also made contact with people who were publishing a newspaper called Asian New Yorker, and I volunteered. First I offered them some photographs that I had done at an outdoor festival, an Asian American heritage festival. And then I became kind of a staff photographer, if you could say there was one or two. There were a couple of us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1355.0,1391.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: So naturally, I needed to be there in the heart of things all the time, and I did. I was always there. Several times a week. And just like with one of the photographs that you were looking at earlier, when I saw the same people, and they saw me, we would start saying hello, and they asked where I lived, and am I a tourist. And I was like, \"Kind of. I live in Queens.\" [laughter] I don't think they were expecting that answer, but you know, it worked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1391.0,1433.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: How do you feel like you got past that barrier of being kind of afraid to take photos with people in them to all of your photos during this time are about people? Little moments of people out in the world. Eating, working, laughing, running.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1433.0,1458.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: I think I wanted the pictures so badly that I was willing to do something that I was uncomfortable doing. And I started to notice that when I felt uncomfortable, when I felt the most uncomfortable, that's when I had to push myself. That's when the good photographs would come. I was able to make that connection that even though it wasn't something that came naturally to me, and was in fact very difficult, it was the only way I could get the kinds of photographs that I wanted to get.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1458.0,1499.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Do you remember any particular moment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1499.0,1503.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Yes. I was in a cafeteria-style bakery, which is very common in Chinatown. It was a big one. The interior looked not unlike a McDonald's with those plastic tables and nailed down to the floor kind of things. And when I walked in, one of the first things I noticed was a man in a tuxedo sitting at a booth by himself sipping a cup of coffee. It's in my bedroom, you'll see the picture later. How could I not get that picture?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1503.0,1550.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: But inside, I mean, that's iffy, and there's no way to hide yourself. And I didn't know how the people around me would feel about it, but I just plunged ahead, and I just did it. I just snapped a few, and he noticed. And so I had no choice but to smile and to go over and to say, I'm a photographer. I just like taking pictures around the neighborhood, blah, blah, blah. And he asked if he could get a copy. So I took his name and address, and I did send him a copy, and he sent me a lovely thank you card, also inviting me out to eat on a date.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1550.0,1604.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1604.0,1607.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: We were together for 10 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1607.0,1610.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: No. [pause] That's amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1610.0,1614.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1614.0,1615.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Wow. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1615.0,1618.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: We're still friends. We still talk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1618.0,1624.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: I'm speechless. [laughs] Where does he live?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1624.0,1629.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: He lives in Brooklyn. He's married. He has grown children now. But at that time—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1629.0,1635.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Was that in Chinatown that you took the photo of him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1635.0,1640.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1640.0,1642.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: That's incredible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1642.0,1643.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: I know. I mean, what could be more surreal? Of course, I had to know why he was wearing a tux, and it was because he had changed somewhere, maybe work, after work. He had worked that day. Maybe it was a Saturday and he had worked part of the day. And he changed into the clothing that he needed to wear to a wedding that he was going to a little later. So he had to be ready for it. And he was just marking time until he could go to the banquet hall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1643.0,1692.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: But in the coffee shop, in a tuxedo, this really nice looking man. How could I not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1692.0,1703.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: That's amazing. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1703.0,1705.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: But when I first started—and I was and appeared much younger than I do now—sometimes it was difficult to be taken seriously that people thought I was flirting and using my camera as a manipulative tool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1705.0,1735.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: But later on, it became an advantage because a middle-aged or an older woman is typically considered quite benign and harmless. And so I was able to get around actually better the older that I got. But when I first took that man's picture, he probably thought I was flirting with him. That wasn't my idea when I went in there, but one thing led to another.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1735.0,1777.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: [laughs] That's such an incredible story. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1777.0,1790.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: I'm glad you like it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1790.0,1792.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: I do. [laughs] Let's see. I wanted to hear more about—you said you were on a kind of steering committee for an Asian cultural heritage group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1792.0,1811.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Yes. It is called CAPA, Coalition of Asian Pacific Associations [The organization was originally called CAPAA, Coalition of Asian Pacific American Associations, but later became CAPA, Coalition of Asian Pacific Americans. Correction provided by the interviewee]. During the 90s, there was a big explosion of Asian American cultural heritage, politically oriented, social service oriented, many different organizations. So people from each organization got together to form an association, a coalition, and started an outdoor festival called the Asian Pacific American Heritage Festival. For many years, it was held in Union Square.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1811.0,1868.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Huge, just delightful, wonderful event. Stage performances from every background. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Filipino, Pacific Islander. I mean, everything. It was Pan-Asian, which is curious because in real life, so to say, many of these ethnicities were enemies. Japan invaded China. Japan enslaved Korean women. I mean, they don't have a friendly history. And yet when you tack on the hyphen and the American, they all work together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1868.0,1927.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: How I fit into that was simply by documenting it, and later, of course, becoming such good friends with a lot of those people to this day that I'm considered adopted. What does one of my friends call me? Honorable Caucas-san [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1927.0,1956.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: So they had, of course, the performances of every different background. And vendors consisted of—well, naturally there were food vendors—but also many different kinds of social service organizations, and even corporate ones that sponsored the festival. So you even had New York Tel, and—I don't know—some other big ones I can't even remember. The tiny little Asian American women's center that I mentioned before that helped women who were threatened and abused by husbands—to be deported, for example, would be a common threat—which would prevent women from either escaping or reporting them to the police.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=1956.0,2019.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: So there were really so many important organizations. I can't even think off the top of my head. And it was tremendously successful, although it changed venues over the years and was for a time in Lincoln Center. And I remember there was another year it was across or close to the UN [United Nations] on the East Side. But then the pandemic, and it was canceled for a couple of years, except that there was somewhat of an online presence, of an attempt to keep the thing going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2019.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: But it's in its 40-something year of existence, and it's going to go live again next year—or this year, actually. So, that is, if what they're saying, a resurgence of COVID doesn't happen. I mean, they're planning to do it live again. But I keep reading these articles about COVID resurgence and put your mask back on, and not very encouraging.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2070.0,2108.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: So between the Coalition of Asian Pacific Americans and the Asian New Yorker newspaper, I was embedded in the Asian American community. 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And all you do is, once you walk down the steps of the subway at 74th Street, you're transported into another world. And that was it for me. I was in heaven.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2165.0,2198.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Just the smell on the street, in the supermarkets, for me to go up and down the aisles of the supermarket was like for somebody else to go to the South Pacific. For somebody else, a trip to Fiji. For me, all I have to do is go to the supermarket in Jackson Heights, and I'm happy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2198.0,2222.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: [laughs] Do you remember any moments photographing there, or was there a time where you were visiting it regularly to—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2222.0,2231.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Yeah, because from here in Sunnyside, the bus only takes about 15 or 20 minutes to get there. So anytime I found myself with some free time and a desire to photograph, but not a desire to do a big daylong trip, I could just get there easily.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2231.0,2256.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And a daylong trip would be Rockaway, for example. That would've been a two-bus trip that would take over an hour. And obviously if you spend that much time traveling, you don't want to turn around and come right back. But you do have to think that it's going to take effort to come back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2256.0,2284.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: So that kind of constriction, it doesn't exist with Jackson Heights and Sunnyside. They're so close to each other that—Woodside also is interesting with a mixed Chinese, Korean, and South Asian population. They kind of flow together. And there's also a big Filipino population in Woodside. So all of this is—I'm like a pig in you know what.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2284.0,2330.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: [laughs] So because you've spent so much time all across Manhattan, the Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn, do you feel like there's something that feels really distinct about Queens as a borough as compared to the other boroughs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2330.0,2350.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: They're all different. They all have a very different flavor from each other. I'm not even sure I can define it, but Queens is not like Brooklyn, and Brooklyn is not like the Bronx. They all have their own particular attractions, and they share things in common, but they just feel different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2350.0,2383.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: It's even in our postal system. It's apparent that Queens is different because my mail comes to Sunnyside, New York. When I lived in Midwood, Brooklyn, it came to Brooklyn, New York. When I lived in the Bronx, it was Bronx, New York. Maybe Staten Island has that also where you address mail to a neighborhood?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2383.0,2410.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: I'm not sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2410.0,2411.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: I'm not sure about that. But Queens, definitely. Forest Hills. Your mail goes to Forest Hills, not to Queens. So that's one distinction. 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Like I keep saying, anything that's different, I want to know about it. Not just know, but through my eyes, through my camera. That's how I know things is by photographing and then being able to slowly examine and see and learn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2447.0,2477.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Can you say more about that? You mean you photograph something, then you can slowly examine the photo, or it's a slow coming to know the place that you're in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2477.0,2488.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Well, it's both, because if it's a place that attracts me, that satisfies me, like Jackson Heights does, going there and—[Kitty speaks to her cat who is sniffing Liv's backpack] that's a backpack [laughter]—absorbing the sights, the smells, the food. I mean, every one of those neighborhoods, I have to eat in one of their restaurants. I have to bring things home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2488.0,2530.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: So, of course, the experience is supreme, but the photographs, sometimes I'm almost on automatic pilot when I'm shooting. 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But it adds something to that photograph that is just odd.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2566.0,2615.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: I like those oddities. I like that stuff that you're not expecting in the least. It's completely candid, completely unposed. It's just real life teeming with activity. That's what I like about Chinatown. It's just teeming with activity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2615.0,2641.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And Jackson Heights is like that—not on a weekday. On a weekday, it's very quiet, and that's a whole different experience. Chinatown is never quiet, and Williamsburg is busy on weekdays and Sundays, but obviously not on their Sabbath. So out of respect, I wouldn't go on the Sabbath—photograph empty streets anyway. That wouldn't even interest me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2641.0,2677.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: But street life is very important to me, and it ties in with memories that I had from childhood when people were out on the streets safely all the time. That isn't entirely the case in other parts of Queens where I've lived. Here in Sunnyside or even Astoria, people are out, but I wouldn't call it street life the way Jackson Heights has a street life. And they too have their festivals, street fairs with floats and food and just so much visual eye candy that you don't see anywhere else. I just can't imagine any place more exciting than New York. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2677.0,2748.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Where else have you lived in Queens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2748.0,2750.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Astoria.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2750.0,2751.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: So it's been Astoria and Sunnyside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2751.0,2752.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Yeah. Astoria is nice. That's the first place that I lived, where I had the dark room. The house itself, the apartment itself wasn't that wonderful, but the neighborhood was gentrifying. It had been—I think originally it was predominantly Italian, and then it became predominantly Greek. When I lived there, it was predominantly Greek. I liked that too. They had lots of fun grocery stores to explore, and just different types of businesses that I was unfamiliar with. Anything unfamiliar, I have to examine it in detail. I can't help myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2752.0,2814.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: I can't remember if you told me this already, but did you have any siblings growing up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2814.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: I did, but I had a brother who passed away quite young.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2820.0,2828.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Did your parents always stay in the Bronx, or excuse me, in Brooklyn after you left?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2828.0,2834.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Yes. Well, no, actually, my parents eventually split up. My mother stayed in Brooklyn. My father eventually moved to Florida.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2834.0,2845.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Wow. Was that rare at the time for—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2845.0,2849.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: No. Very common—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2849.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: —couples to split up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2850.0,2851.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Very common. A lot of elderly moved to Florida. If they didn't move there entirely, they were what was called snowbirds. They would go and spend the winter. 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She was a legal secretary. And being a first generation American, she had graduated from high school and took the civil service test and became a stenographer, and then went up through the ranks. And of course, during the 50s and—part of the 50s and 60s, I guess—she didn't work outside the home, as many women didn't in those times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2882.0,2930.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: But then she went back to work, and that's when she got into the Transit Authority. And she worked there until she retired. And then afterwards she became a thrift maven. My mother was the original Second Hand Rose. Her name was even Rose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2930.0,2950.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: [laughs] What is that? I don't actually—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2950.0,2951.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Oh, you don't know what it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2951.0,2952.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: —know what thrift maven means.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2952.0,2953.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: It's a song. I think it was in Funny Girl when Barbra Streisand starred in that movie. Must be originally Fanny Brice. One of the lines is, \"I never had a single thing that's new.\" That was my mom. I mean, hunting for interesting quality clothing and furniture. She loved it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2953.0,2994.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And she also became very skilled at refinishing furniture. She would buy beat-up old furniture and turn it into brilliant antiques. She could also sew like a designer. She made a lot of my clothes when I was young. So there wasn't anything she couldn't do because she could teach herself from books from the library. She was a real library person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=2994.0,3035.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: So I have those genes for sure. But people were very inventive and creative, even without going out to work. I think her time was filled with creative activities. I always saw her tackling something new that she taught herself from a book. Like we would watch a YouTube now. 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Whereas a photograph that you just look at or you put in a gallery, it's beautiful, but you can't use it, and you can't make a living from it. Or at least in her world, you couldn't—in her way of thinking, you couldn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3079.0,3117.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: What did she think of you becoming a photographer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3117.0,3122.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: I think she was proud and puzzled at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3122.0,3127.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3127.0,3129.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: I even remember being very upset because, naturally, I always had a camera with me. Naturally, things were always grabbing my attention. And let's say, if she were talking to me and I noticed something and I picked up my camera, I remember when she said, \"Don't you have enough pictures?\" [laughter] \"They're all different, mom.\" But that gives you an idea of the different generational viewpoints about art for art's sake.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3129.0,3169.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: And it feels also sort of like a common first generation immigrant, second generation kind of dichotomy or schism too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3169.0,3179.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And she really had her own vision of what the good life would be that she hoped I would have. And yeah, I could have a job for a while, but she figured that I'd probably want to be married with a family. I didn't. I did marry, but I didn't have a family, and I didn't stay married. And thank goodness for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3179.0,3208.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Was there a time when you thought you did want to be married with a family and do things like your mom wanted, or did you sort of know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3208.0,3217.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: No, I don't think I ever did. I got married because everybody was getting married around me, and I certainly liked or loved the boys I chose to be with, but I don't think marriage ever had all that much appeal to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3217.0,3240.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: And neither did having kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3240.0,3242.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Never. I prefer animals. [laughter] I always have. Kittens and puppies. If I could have a litter of kittens, then that would be good. Children? I like kids, but usually not until nine or ten years old when you can actually have a conversation with them, and it's meaningful, and you can even learn from them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3242.0,3274.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Babies don't do anything for me except that they look cute. I mean, they're beautiful. They can look adorable. But I'm not the type of person that would lean over a crib and start immediately extolling the beauty of the baby and talking to it in a high-pitched squeaky voice. I'm not that kind of person. 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But I never had to make a special effort to do it. I just don't know how to talk baby talk. 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And I literally fell in love with feral cats.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3374.0,3419.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And I started going to feed them regularly. And then I would run into other people who came in to check on the colonies. 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I felt that I could help more cats.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3450.0,3484.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: So I started getting involved with the people who were coming around to try to get these cats trapped and spayed and neutered. And I did that for quite a while, until I could no longer physically deal with the traps and all. But I even took a specialty course in caretaking and became a colony caretaker. And I still helped out trappers from time to time with maybe a little paperwork or whatever I could do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3484.0,3522.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: But consistently, 365 days a year, I went out and fed those cats. And I always had my camera, and I was always photographing them. And I learned so much about the individuals and about just animal behavior in general, human animal bond, from the ones that were super friendly to the ones that were super scaredy cats. Every one was distinctive. 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There's nothing like it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3559.0,3603.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: What do you think is particularly moving to you about it, seeing somebody with the cat that they love or dog that they love?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3603.0,3613.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Well, one thing that appeals to me a lot is that we communicate without language. 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Are there any artists or writers who write about or make art about cat and people, or human-animal relationships, that have been inspiring for your work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3866.0,3884.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: I have to think about that. There are many talented artists who have made photographs that include animals that are extraordinary. Although you wouldn't say they were just animal photographers, although there are plenty of those now on the internet. I mean, I love it. Cat videos and funny dog pictures and all kinds of stuff. It's just a matter of being in the right place at the right time usually. 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And I think he's done a lot of work for National Geographic, which is of course, the gold standard when it comes to documentary, humanistic and animal-human photography, animal life and animals' relations to humans, animals in their own habitat. Just, National Geographic is it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=3968.0,4039.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: When it comes to street photography, also there are a lot of great photographers that I love. 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And there's more in the closet. What I have in the closet are the larger ones that might have been made for an exhibit that are matted and framed. Some of them are just matted, not framed. They're duplicates. A lot of them are framed. A lot of the stuff you see around the house is—of course, it's mine. Look at the one behind you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4239.0,4268.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: I don't know this one. Where was this taken?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4268.0,4272.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Actually, in Williamsburg. The newer part, the hipper part, from inside a cafe. I was sitting on the bench with the cat who was looking out the window and that hydrant, look what it says.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4272.0,4289.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Cat. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4289.0,4292.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Can the cat read?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4292.0,4300.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: [laughs] Have you always gone by Kitty?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4300.0,4304.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Since I was about 11 or 12, something like that. Just completely gave away the other name that I was not too crazy about, and it was very—I could tell you what it is, but don't need to. Don't need it. It was a nice name. Very common at the time that I was growing up. There were a lot of other people with that name. But \"Kitty\" with \"Katz,\" it's a natural for a cat lover. How could you go wrong? 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I think I've really done quite a lot of talking, and I thought maybe you'd have more—you'd need to prompt me with more questions—but it hasn't seemed to be the case. I could just go on and on and on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4362.0,4380.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: Just from looking at your photos, it's clear that there's just been so much rich experience. I'm sure that there's just this treasure trove of stories that you have. 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I'd love to talk more about the Chinatown ones and the ones in Jackson Heights once those are ready.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4407.0,4417.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: I have to get a bunch of them together and assemble it in a way that it's more coherent, the same as the others are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4417.0,4426.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: These are so beautiful the way that they're laid out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4426.0,4430.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Thank you so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4430.0,4431.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: This is my favorite kind of photography.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4431.0,4435.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Oh, good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4435.0,4435.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: It's really inspiring.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4435.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: And you write my favorite kind of writing, so obviously we were meant to be. [laughter] Is there anything that you had in your notes that you want to include before we wrap?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4440.0,4462.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: I think we've pretty much gotten to everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4462.0,4468.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Kitty Katz: Good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4468.0,4469.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723/transcript/70966/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liv Veazey: So I'll stop the recording now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/136183/file/252723#t=4469.0,4473.72"}]}]}]}