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Umm, good afternoon, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=0.0,16.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Is it? [Laughter]...Yea?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=16.0,17.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Good morning still actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=17.0,18.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: It is still morning, OK… [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=18.0,19.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Yes. How are you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=19.0,21.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: We are still fresh [laughter]… I’m fine thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=21.0,23.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Good, good… So I guess we will just get to it…You were born in Brooklyn…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=23.0,28.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Uh hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=28.0,29.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: In 1934?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=29.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=30.0,31.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: And you moved around a lot as a kid?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=31.0,34.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Well not all that much really. My parents rented an apartment in Flatbush, and I don’t think I was there for more than maybe one or two years. And then we moved to my grandmother’s house on 84th Street in Glendale, which is where really my earliest recollections…are. Those were the days, especially during the warm weather when people congregated on their stoops. That was what you did in the city. I remember seeing the streetcars go by on Myrtle Avenue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=34.0,69.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And even when I went to high school in Brooklyn, there were a couple of times where I would take the Richmond Hill trolley and  go past 84th Street and to look out the window to see where I had been. Other people, who have been to 84th street, uh, have recognized that the neighborhood really doesn’t, hadn’t changed very much. And I think it attracted people who didn’t particularly want to experience change; they liked it so well as it was they just wanted to keep it that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=69.0,101.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Uh hmm. And your youth was like during World War II, like 1940’s you were about 10…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=101.0,108.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Well I had, I had my parents- there is another story which I probably won’t bother you with as to why we moved from Glendale to Flushing on 173rd street just…off Union Turnpike, it was across the street from what used to be a golf course, which became the site for St. John’s University. In fact there used to be a big sign- site of St. John’s University [unclear]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=108.0,132.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: (Low) Yea, I live right near there…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=132.0,134.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Interrupted the building of the campus, and then it was built. The house that my parents bought was actually on what was still farmland. Now I remember seeing trucks, pickup trucks go by, selling the produce that was grown just a few blocks away. And the reason my parents moved there was that a member of the family was in the real estate business and it was through them that my parents bought this little bungalow, which is about what they could afford on 173rd street. And that’s where I was all the time that I was at Queens College, all the time I was in grammar school, high school. Oh I went to high school actually in Brooklyn, um and I left from that home to go into the army. I was drafted; believe me, I didn’t volunteer. And I, in fact I was working at Columbia for my Master’s Degree, which is where I went after I graduated Queens. Queens didn’t have a Master’s Degree in my field at the time. And my number came up actually before graduation at Columbia and I got a deferment. But as soon as I got the degree I went back to the draft board and said ‘look I don’t wanna wait in case you may or may not take me (if) my number comes up again. So just let my number come up and get me into the army.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=134.0,223.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And by this time I was already pretty much sure I was going to go into academia. There aren’t too many things that a serious composer can do in the U.S. And because of what I saw among my teachers at Queens, I decided well that maybe teaching in college wouldn’t be such a bad idea. Now their enthusiasm was infectious and they were still practicing composers, the composers were, and the performers were still performing. So I felt that this would be a way for me to go so I wanted to get into the army during the summer so that I could be discharged during the summer and if I was lucky enough start an academic year in September.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=223.0,268.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And coincidentally I was also married; I was engaged during my last leave before I was shipped to West Germany. And we were married and bang-bang I went to my first academic position, which was as an instructor at Bard College. I didn’t stay there for very long, for reasons, which I may or may not go into… But I realized at the time when I started looking around for another better position that I was being asked as to whether I had a doctorate. Now my field had almost no doctorate at that time. There were only 5 universities in the entire country that offered what we call now a doctorate in musical arts. And the only one in the East was at Boston University, so I applied there and was easily accepted because of my experience at Queens and Columbia and so on, I had no trouble getting in. And in order to pay for the tuition I became a teaching fellow. So teaching was a part of my life ever since I was at Bard College.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=268.0,339.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And I must say that while I was at Queens I was asked to do some piano lessons to friends. And I think those were  really my first teaching experiences, although they were youngsters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=339.0,350.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: This was as a student?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=350.0,352.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Yea… um… It was a friend of the family, actually she was a singer and I used to work with her as an accompanist and she had two children, two young boys and she asked me if I would give them piano lessons. And then not long after that, also I think maybe when I was already at Columbia, another friend, a friend of a friend had two children and they asked me whether I would teach them, give them piano lessons. They were living in Jamaica, cause my family didn’t have a car- so wherever I went I either walked or took a bus or I took a subway. The teaching experience really began with youngsters. And it was not an easy way to learn, but learn I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=352.0,401.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And I have to say that when I was in the army and conducting this regimental band, there was teaching going on even though it wasn’t called teaching. As soon as I got up on the podium, I had to tell them what to do even if they outranked me. And I had sergeants there playing the clarinet, or an instrument, or a saxophone and I was a rookie. I don’t even think I had a stripe yet, a private first class stripe yet. But I learned by studying conducting with John Castellini at Queens College what you had to do when you stepped up on the podium. And that was really again an aspect of teaching; so that when I left the army to teach that one year at Bard I knew something about teaching. I was a conductor of a chorus again there, and I taught piano and I taught classes in music history and it was a very variegated kind of curriculum that I had to teach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=401.0,463.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Now when I went to Queens and this was really of particular interest to me. I went to Queens not because as a faculty member, not because I expected to stay there. I wanted to be finished getting my doctorate at Boston University, the Doctor of Musical Arts. And then I expected simply to apply all over the country, in Canada for a permanent position. And I was in touch with Saul Novack, the chairman of the music department. It wasn’t even the School of Music at the time. But with the music department at the time- I asked him, you know, whether he would let me do some teaching there until I got my degree, and then I would simply move on. I was really so pleased and even flattered that he took me on. I think one of the things in my  favor was that he was one of my best teachers at Queens. In fact they were all I would have to say the best, I wouldn’t want to distinguish one from the other. He got to know me very well as a student, so that he probably felt he wasn’t taking much of a chance by taking me on however temporarily. And when I got my degree, I did in fact start to apply and what happened which was of a peculiar interest, is that I started to get feedback. Because I had this rare degree, rare at that time in my particular specialization, which was theory and composition. I started getting feedback from where; I think Cornell, from Brown, from Canada, somewhere out in the west.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=463.0,556.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Now I remember Genevieve always likes to tell this story, my wife, she got a call once, asking to speak to me. And she said well he is at Queens College right now, but you can maybe reach him there. And the reason she said that, she realized that if they call Queens College, Queens College would realize that somebody is after me and that maybe they should think about keeping him on a little bit longer. And when I indicated to them that, you know, I was prepared to leave as soon as I got something, they asked me, well why don’t you wanna stay here? … Who me?  Here? With this distinguished faculty? But by then I had already been teaching a lot of, in fact exclusively, I think Music Appreciation, which is another teaching experience that I think helped me enormously.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=556.0,612.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And dealing with, with the kind of people I dealt with in the army, people from everywhere. My roommate was from Kentucky, one of the trombone players was from Tennessee, one of the trumpet players was from Ohio, they, and Gil Sato, who played the trumpet, was from California, his folks came from Japan, I mean there were people from almost all over the world whom I had to deal with. So that teaching Music Appreciation at Queens College of the City of New York wasn’t that far off from the experience I already had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=612.0,649.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: The first semester was just a little rough because I was kind of  feeling my way. But as soon as I started the second semester of teaching those, what was it four sections of Music Appreciation, I remember stepping across the threshold in the room in Rathaus Hall where the Music Department was, and saying [FOOT STOMP] “I’m ready for this now.” And I knew how to walk down the hall, how to work across this threshold, how to look the class in the eye, and I believe they knew what to expect. After that there was no fear of walking into any classroom, teaching any course at Queens College. 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Now remember his not only observing one of my theory classes, but hearing some of my music, which I remember was a choral piece that Jack Castellini allowed me to conduct during a faculty concert, and he made a very favorable remark to me about the music that he heard. So I realized that hey look I’m having people on my side whose own work I had enormous respect for.  And when my name came up as you know discussed whether I should be continued on the faculty, all the comments must’ve been very favorable. To my surprise, because I didn’t think I was going to be anything out of the ordinary. I was just doing the things that I thought I should be doing in a way that I had been really taught to do them, and I had the experience of doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=721.0,781.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And after that, partly because I had an advanced degree, I became, I went from instructor to assistant professor like almost immediately. 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It was one of the most distinguished departments in the school. I don’t know whether you know about the origin of Queens [College], but the judge who founded it was very keen on making the arts a central part of the core curriculum. Music, the graphic arts, and even, I think maybe, even possibly theater. So that when he gathered the original faculty together, he already got some very good people whom he trusted because of their prior experience in the field and I think because he engaged these people to be on the faculty, they were also determined to make it one of the most important departments at Queens College, along with art, which I discovered also when I was a. an undergraduate. I took an… Art was a required course, two semesters of art, and from there I went to take courses in Oriental art, in contemporary art, I don’t know what else and those were some of the most revealing experiences to me, to take those courses with those people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=804.0,885.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And it was that kind of department that I think the founder of Queens had in mind. It was art and music; they were going to be central. And their faculty I think were determined to keep it that way, so that whenever the faculty at Queens was looking for other people to add, they were going to have to be of the same bent of mind shall we say. They were going to have to have the same enthusiasm, the same kind of practical experience. And I guess maybe the music faculty at that time saw me as a, as a, let’s say useful candidate. I was along, I was  doing what they themselves were doing, it seems to me now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=885.0,931.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And I went from assistant professor very quickly to associate professor, and then to professor. I, I couldn’t believe how quickly I took these steps up. And they must’ve been -  of course one is always observed in class, and they followed my career, what music I was composing, the performances of that music that I was getting. It wasn’t just the class experience or if I performed,  since I was a pretty good pianist. I hope I still am! No, I would appear frequently on the stage of the theater at faculty concerts. They could see that I wasn’t just limited, let’s say, to composing, I was a more complete musician. They saw me conduct and knew that I had some conducting experience at Bard College, teaching a chorus and teaching a band. In other words I had many of the qualities that they themselves had, and if they took me on permanently, it was simply I was going to be one of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=931.0,997.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Mhm hmm. And as a student also did you have any concerts? Did students do that during your time as a student?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=997.0,1003.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Yeah, yeah, I made myself very useful because it was fun being useful. In other words I, if Sol Berkowitz, who was the conductor of the women’s glee club asked me to do accompanying for about a year, year and a half- I was the one he asked. Well, one of the things that Jack Castellini, I was in the, I started out actually in the men’s glee club as a kind of preparatory exercise to going into what they called then the a cappella choir. A cappella means unaccompanied, but you know, it was the top draw choral group that only the better students were asked to participate in, and John Castellini was the conductor of it. And since he knew that I was also a pianist, there was no occasion when I walked into a rehearsal that I might not be expected to go up on stage and sight-read the accompaniment of something they were rehearsing on the piano. And I guess maybe I must have done if fairly well, so like [unclear]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1003.0,1066.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: I was the accompanist of opera workshop. And at one occasion they were doing a, Gilbert and Sullivan operetta, and this student conductor asked me to sing in the chorus, which I didn’t wanna do. I said, “look, to do you a favor I’ll sing in the chorus, and I was one, one of the judges in “Trial by Jury.” And I remember being basically a ham, I remember cutting up on the stage, you know because I was one of those judges, and I remember Reri Grist, who became, who was a student at the time, and a very fine soprano- who made a career as an opera singer. She sang with the Met… and I think Genevieve and I even saw her, heard her sing at the Vienna Opera. I remember she made a very nice comment how what she saw me do as one of the judges in “Trial by Jury.” Now it was this very variegated experience that I was capable of doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1066.0,1121.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Oh, I played a lot of chamber music, with the chamber ensemble, which was conducted by Alexander Kouguell, who was a superb cellist, who later, when he was my colleague played some of my music and sometimes I played with him and the recording with him. But I remember all of these experiences, which they observed, I wasn’t thinking that anybody was really noticing, but I guess they were noticing these things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1121.0,1149.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Mhm hmm. And so you went to college during the 50s, do you remember any incidents- like of teachers being fired, students you know asked to leave?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1149.0,1158.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Well you know that was a tricky time, um, I went to Queens thinking…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1158.0,1165.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Did you have to sign one of these [shows copy of] loyalty oaths? Do you remember that or… (Long Pause)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1165.0,1174.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: No I don’t. I don’t, maybe I should, but I [unclear]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1174.0,1180.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: It’s ok..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1180.0,1181.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1181.0,1182.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Yea…I just thought I would bring it, maybe it would [unclear]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1182.0,1184.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: I would, when I was in high school… I got a NY State scholarship, which was not going to cover the four years at Columbia, which is where I expected to go. So I was well ok Queens College it is; I could walk it in forty minutes. You know with a subway, with a bus and walking I could do it in less time. All right, I’ll go to Queens College for a couple of years and then I’ll transfer to Columbia and there I’ll use my NY State Scholarship, but when I started at Queens and I saw what, what the core curriculum, where they had a core curriculum in those days. Two years of Contemporary Civilization, where I had to read Karl Marx, Pico della Mirandola… I was put because of the matriculation exams and because of the good high school education I had had not in the public school, I went into a fast English class where they were mostly English majors. 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Who knows, if they had a masters degree in my field, there’s a very good chance I would have stayed at Queens. Why would I go to Columbia? I would’ve saved my NY State Scholarship, eventually I, I,  because I expected to be drafted after I left Queens, but my number didn’t come up. So I applied to Columbia before I had time to apply for any, any tuition help. 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And I remember once he made the comment, when we were discussing a particular example of music literature in class, he would have asked me, ‘well what would they have said about this at Queens College?’ In other words the reputation of Queens was already, you know getting around, and as distinguished I guess as Columbia was, they felt that anybody coming from Queens would had to have been really raised pretty damned well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1309.0,1360.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: So you say because of the faculty there, you mentioned a few names like Novak…?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1360.0,1364.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: I think because of the students because of the students who were being attracted to Queens and were graduating. I mean when I look back now at the, at my colleagues, student colleagues at Queens, there was some damn good people and they were commuting sometimes form the Bronx five days a week.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1364.0,1383.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: So you found that most people were commuting, or most people were local, or mix?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1383.0,1386.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: I don’t know, I never really asked where the people were living, but I think because of how attractive the music department was, there were any number of people who didn’t hesitate to commute some distances.  Now I don’t know about Brooklyn, but certainly Manhattan and Queens,  Manhattan and the Bronx.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1386.0,1406.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Now I lived in Queens of course, I was literally within walking distance. People like Ronald Roseman, who became a very distinguished oboist. I mean with a worldwide reputation as an oboist, a member of a famous quintet. Or even today, Drora Pershing, who was one of my colleagues, and who became a colleague of mine at Queens on the faculty and it was still doing some teaching there. I mean there were people like that. And I kind of took it for granted that well of course Queens College would attract students like that. It was only later on that I realized there were some people I would say who became students in the music department that said, what do you want to be here. You're not as good as some of these other people who had already made the acquaintances of as a freshman. Yeah, yeah why aren’t you doing the work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1406.0,1461.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And I remember when Boris Schwartz, who was the chairman of the department for a time, and was the conductor of the Queens College orchestral society and the first string, as the first violinist of the string quartet. I mean when I was in his class I felt as though he was almost deferring to me a little bit, which almost a little embarrassing, I mean look I’m not as good as you, so why do you, why are you kind of looking in my direction you know for comments, and for answers to your questions. Or why are you asking me for example to play a particular harp part on the piano during the rehearsals of his, his orchestra. Or on one occasion, there was an absolutely terrific student violinist…I mean he was already a professional, and he was being asked by the NAACP to play at some kind of event in Flushing and I was the pianist who was asked to play with him. So I guess, yeah, people were noticing that I played well and that I was a good student and so on. And yet I didn’t think of myself as being particularly outstanding, because there were these other people who were every bit as good, if not better than I was. So that’s why I say, I was surprised when there were other people who became music majors and I said why do you want to become a music major, you're not as good as any of the other people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1461.0,1549.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: So those were the people who were graduating and letting everyone know out there, that it’s the student who are coming from this faculty. You better start paying attention to them. It’s the faculty and the students who are making Queens College’s reputation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1549.0,1565.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: So that like built off itself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1565.0,1566.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Yes! Yeah! One thing fed on the other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1566.0,1570.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: And you decided to join the faculty as a temporary position?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1570.0,1575.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1575.0,1576.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: What made you stay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1576.0,1577.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Only because they asked me. As I said before, I wasn’t expecting to stay. I didn’t want to take advantage of their being so nice to let me teach for a while until I got my doctorate because I needed to stay in the East.  But after that I just applied all over the country, I mean even in Canada. And when they realized that they were about to lose me, it was then that they asked me to stay…. I, I was really floored- “you want me to stay here, with this faculty? With this student body?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1577.0,1614.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Mhmmm. So, besides the music appreciation what else did you teach?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1614.0,1619.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Well, being a…having a degree in composition and theory, it would’ve been a forgone conclusion eventually for me to start teaching theory and ear-training courses. So I was a temporary, I was what they call a lecturer, which was usually something given to a temporary people, something that would eventually lead to an instructor. I think I was there for, well, at least two years, mostly teaching music appreciation yes, but they made, asked me to teach I remember an ear-training course because they didn’t have one of the regular faculty to teach it. And the fellow who was running the night school, in fact my music appreciation classes, some of them, several of the ones I taught were in the School of General Studies, and the courses weren’t done until about 10:35. And they were people who had worked all day, older people worked all day who were teaching now. But that was again part of the diversity that I was heir to that I had to learn how to deal with these people. But one of the courses I taught at night again was a music theory,  theory course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1619.0,1696.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: So that when I was done being a lecturer, when they made me an instructor when I got the degree, most of the courses I would be teaching would be courses in the music theory. Now some of those so-called music theory courses were required courses for music or education majors. Education majors in those days were required to take some basic course in music and some pretty distinguished music faculty were also asked to teach that course. It wasn’t just lowly people like me who were just, you know, starting out who were asked to teach it, so I taught a lot of that. And again it was teaching people who were not going to be musicians that I had to deal with or teaching those older people who had worked all day at some job that taught me how to deal with people who were other than, you know, vastly talented people. And I think this helped me a lot; whenever I had to, let’s say, write program notes or to step in front of the stage if I was giving a performance, either as a pianist or maybe playing a piece of mine or having some other people play, I knew how to speak to them in ways that I think they would understand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1696.0,1778.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And if I hadn’t taught those courses with that kind of diverse student body at Queens, or conducted a regimental band in the army as a draftee, I wonder whether I would have learned how to deal with these people. I wasn’t dealing with, with people who were necessarily highly gifted or, and they certainly weren’t rich, they were not well-to-do people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1778.0,1805.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: One story I have to tell you that happened already years ago, I was teaching a theory course -- I was already a full professor I think at the time and one of my, one of my students who taught,  who was in this course, was a cab driver during the day. And he wanted to get a college degree and he wanted to study music. Now where if you were in Queens College would you study music? Well, in the School of Music in our new building. And I remember he was so eager to learn, he would stop me in the hall and we would chat about something that he maybe was afraid to ask about in class. Now it’s that kind of person you really want to teach, you want them in your class. And I don’t think things have changed -- the student body at Queens, and I noticed this in recent graduations, they are there because they really want to be there. And there are probably many instances, the first child of that family to be in college.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1805.0,1875.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And I also, I remember when I was there for a reunion, it may have the 50th reunion, I remember we had these yellow gowns and so on. And walking down, because we were going to  be sitting in the front rows, and I remember all of the students who were there, who were really, actually graduating when we were walking down they looked at us [clapping] and applauded… Why were they applauding? 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So it was an appreciation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1907.0,1909.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Yeah,  now I considered it a privilege, something I really wanted to teach people like that, to deal with them, rather than go to some Ivy League school where they would have been privileged by wealth and who knows what, having gone to prep schools. I would much rather have taught at Queens College, then to have taught at some place where the students had gone to a prep school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1909.0,1939.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: So you liked the hungry student?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1939.0,1941.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Pardon me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1941.0,1942.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: The hungry student?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1942.0,1943.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Yes! Yeah…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1943.0,1944.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: That helped fuel you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1944.0,1945.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: They wanted to be there! And there was no question about handing in papers late or anything like that…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1945.0,1954.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: So I again, I always felt that one of my assets was being able to speak to people like that on a level that they could understand. Whether that was always true, I will never know. Although every once in a while, I’ll run into, you know, a student and they’ll say “well, you said something at one point.” “And I said that?!” You don’t know what you're saying, what they are going to remember. And it may not even have been anything about the music, about harmony and counterpoint.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=1954.0,1982.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: In fact there was one fellow who became… who went into the school system in New York and then at Yonkers who has almost insisted on being a friend of mine. He lives in Yonkers right now and we are constantly in touch with one another. And he obviously thought he got out a lot out of being in one of my cla(sses)… he was probably not one of my best students, but it didn’t matter to them and it didn’t matter to me that they be the best students I’ve ever had, and I’ve had some absolutely super students, but also, there are all of the others too who felt like they got something out of being a graduate at Queens College. 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My sister who had gone through some of the public schools, like Jamaica High School, told my parents, don’t send him to Jamaica High School. Now if I had gone to Flushing High, it might’ve been something different, but living on, off Union Turnpike, 173rd street, undoubtedly I would have had to go to Jamaica High School, where she ended up. She went originally to Richmond Hill High School when we lived in Glendale. But she told me don’t, and through various ways I became a student at Bishop Loughlin Memorial High School in, in Brooklyn. Where there were other students like me because every parish in the diocese, which included both Nassau and Suffolk counties, in addition to Brooklyn and Queens, every parish was entitled to send 2 students there because the parishes were paying for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=2041.0,2106.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Now, some of the students were really pretty awful and others were brilliant and so I became a student there and that’s where I got the NY State Scholarship. My preparation there for Queens College was the best I could imagine… I studied Latin and French, I had to, to study, there were no electives, I had to study what they were teaching me. And I realized after, especially when I went to Queens those were the subjects I would not have known to study. And they were telling me the right subjects to study… you know the biology, the two years of algebra, and trigonometry, you name it, besides the Latin and the French and the English. That’s why I got into the fast section of English at Queens College, because I,  they were so rigorous with my learning how to write English at Bishop Loughlin Memorial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=2106.0,2162.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Now things have changed enormously since then, I still maintain close relationships with that high school. It was a boy’s school then, it’s mixed now, and let me tell you there are not that many Caucasian students at that school. And they have to pay some tuition, it’s not local parishes, which are any longer paying for their tuition. Now I ask you, why are families who are not rich, sending their youngsters to that school. It’s because they know they will get one hell of a good education, they will get the kind of education that I got and that’s why they’re getting it, and that’s why I don’t mind taking out my checkbook and writing a few checks a year to that school, and to those who were…the brothers who are teaching in that school. 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The only kind of music I really studied was privately. I took private lessons at the 3rd Street Music School Settlement … Now that’s another story, the 3rd Street Music School Settlement on, it was then on East 3rd street just between east, between 1st and 2nd Avenues. It was one of those several settlement schools that were organized I guess maybe around the turn of the century, around 1900, that’s probably the last settlement school, maybe, maybe there's still one other settlement school…where for $2 you could get a private music lesson with a distinguished teacher, with a distinguished performer. 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He came from, he was an immigrant and because he was a tool and die maker, he was desirable as a skilled worker and he would make friends with the people that who, who he was working with and however I don’t know, but for the first four years or so I studied with a Hungarian refugee. She I think may been, she may have lived, may have been from an aristocratic family but when the war, the Second War broke out, or before it broke it out, she went from Hungary with her daughter to the U.S. And I remember seeing her walk, because she came to the house, seeing her walk slowly. She was a good student, she was a good teacher to begin with, but because my father had become friends with his coworker who had a son who was then studying at the 3rd Street Music School Settlement, my father was convinced that I should go there because there were all these other things that I could also do. I could study theory there. 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And when I studied with other people there, they were distinguished in their field; they were probably volunteering their services, to be, to be teaching those people on the Lower East Side of Manhattan. Now that, those were attitudes you know that I, I learned from those attitudes. Maybe I was influenced by those attitudes, to have some of those attitudes myself… Now I mean, the music school had a long time since has moved out of their building, moved several blocks up, 2nd Avenue- between 2nd Avenue and I think 3rd Avenue. They are still there and they have the same kinds of students from the Lower East Side,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=2352.0,2412.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Did you ever go back and teach?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=2412.0,2413.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: and they have the same dedicated faculty to teach those students from the Lower East Side. So I’m glad they’re still going, and I write out some checks to them too [Laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=2413.0,2427.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Uh wow, that’s good. Do you ever go back and teach there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=2427.0,2431.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: I’ve never taught there, but because of -- there are two things I wanna say about that. Because they knew what kind of a student I was, I preformed regularly there, and I even gave half a concert as a soloist when I was a student, and did it even later on when I was still an undergraduate at Queens. I gave a half a concert there as a soloist and I played with the violinist, George DaCosta, he was later known as Noel DaCosta. He was a student at Queens College, one whom I admired enormously. He came I think originally from Kenya, and went to the States by way of Jamaica. 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I mean he was one of those people all of the other students looked up to. And when he conducted the student group, boy he conducted well, and he was a superb violinist. And when he graduated Queens, and when I went to Columbia, I found him in that theory course I was talking to you about where the instructor said, “well what would they think of this at Queens College?”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=2487.0,2513.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And he went to the 3rd Street Music School Settlement and started studying violin with somebody who was a member of what I don’t remember the name, but a member of a world-famous string quartet. 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And because of his skin color, he was very active in, you know, places like, like Harlem… I mean it, it’s one of those, those people you just wanted to be with and to play the piano with him and that second part of that concert, you know was for me a privilege.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=2540.0,2591.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And the other reason, and this is because of who became the director of the School of Music at the time. My, my piano teacher was very ambitious for me and when she thought I was interested in composing as I began to be in my late, in my late teens, a composer became the director of the Music School Settlement. He was already teaching himself at Julliard and he became a Pulitzer Prize winner for his opera, “The Crucible.”  He’d already becoming well known for the recordings of his music that were being released at that time. His name was Robert Ward and just within the last few weeks he died at about the age of ninety-five. And my teacher spoke to him about me, about my interest in composing. And Ward said look, whenever you have anything to show me, just give me a call, and on several occasions I would give him a call and go down on a Saturday afternoon, when I was sure that he would be there, and he would look at my, you know, at my, my efforts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=2591.0,2665.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: I mean, again it was, this sort of attitude that a school like that and a school like Queens just seemed perfectly normal, it seemed the natural thing to be. Now eventually Ward left Julliard and became the head, I think, of North, what was then the North Carolina School of the Arts. And he eventually became I think the, not the Provost, but I don’t know very high up in the administration of the university down there. So, I, I never got to see him once, once he moved, but I always was very grateful for the interest he took and I can still remember things he told me about things that I showed him that I realized were absolutely right. Two things, I was writing a viola, a sonata for viola and piano, and I had a problem and he put his finger on it right away. 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And that’s why I took those extra art courses. Oh, and I also took more advanced English courses. The second one was with someone who on the staff of “The Nation.” That was really very demanding; I think those were all English majors at that time. The art courses, extra, I think history courses, and the additional two semesters of composition. The third one was with Elliot Carter, who you know I mean he’s world famous. He died what, a hundred and four, fairly recently. Now he was not well known at the time, but he was one of the people who were taken on because Karol Rathaus died. He [Rathaus] was the first instructor who I studied with at that time, but he was already in bad health and subs would have to come in to take his place. 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I’ve also admired anybody and always wanted to be a complete musician; I don’t want to… I would prefer to refer to myself as a musician, rather than as a composer. Because I may be a composer primarily, but I still take pride in the fact that I am a pretty decent pianist, and also of my conducting. …","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=2892.0,2937.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: You know I had already been, be all of these things. And one of the things that I begin to tell younger musicians, especially students -- that if you wanna be a good composer, you should be a good performer, because that’s where you start learning. You really start learning because you're listening to music. When I was a youngster, it was because of my father, who may have been a tool and die maker, but he was a very fine amateur singer. And when he brought 78-RPM records home, those were the ones that I listened to, not because he made me listen to them, I found that the so-called serious music that was on those records, I really wanted to hear. 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But I found out later on that it was a professional orchestra conducted by André Kostelanetz. And they were the kinds of records that people would buy then to become acquainted with the serious music of the Western World.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=2991.0,3012.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: The pop music of the time you could hear on the radio all the time. Oh, another side effect there I hope I learn, remember to get back to me the other but when I was a, I was hooked on radio. And even when I did my homework, I had to turn the radio on; the first thing I did when I came home was to turn on the radio... 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And at 7:30 I would listen to The Lone Ranger, and I would try to finish my piano practice in time to listen to The Lone Ranger. Well I usually lost about 5 or 10 minutes, because [laughter] I didn’t get it done in time. 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They used to have the hit parade, and they decided, I think it was on Tuesday in the evening, like around 8 o'clock, they would decide to play those things that were most asked for by the jukeboxes. Now I remember hearing one of them years later, I listened to all 10 of the pieces, there was only one that was really [laughter] worth listening…the rest was junk. 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I remember hearing an interview by one of the really good pop singers of that time, aw gee I can’t, it was on WNYC, it was maybe I heard it fifteen years ago. And she remembers telling her interviewer how, back then, I guess in, in the 40s; she was already getting on in years, back then she was asked to sing something that she thought was pretty lousy, but she had to sing it. She was being paid to sing it; she had a contract- she had to sing it whether she wanted to or not. But those pop singers at the time, plenty of them were so good, they knew the difference between a good pop tune and a bad pop tune. 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Within the last few seasons…Oh dear…  Genevieve would remember, but she’s already gone out, come and gone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3260.0,3272.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Maybe she’ll come back…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3272.0,3275.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: … Anyhow…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3275.0,3276.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: I, I don’t know what it is…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3276.0,3277.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: It’s, it’s the new production, which has been on Broadway and I think may still be there, showed me how good the music of that time was then and how we think it’s just as good now. 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Now the seats we got were actually very close to the stage and I also got an idea of how terrific the professional Broadway performers are, because it was, there was a lot of choral stuff in this particular Broadway musical. And I remember looking up at the faces, now there was no such thing as just singing out loud to the audience, everyone was playing, portraying a character. 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I mean I can really expect something, and I may already become familiar with the music. And those reproductions I think usually tend to attract good, good producers, good directors and I think frankly in New York, some of the better singers and dancers, you gotta be both to be in these productions, they try very hard to get in those productions. And that’s a little bit the result of what I was looking for, looking into the faces of these people and realizing they are doing the best they can, and it’s pretty damn good, their best.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3338.0,3402.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Now but that again it’s New York, but don’t be surprised if you go out there to the Midwest, and you know even to Kansas, you may be surprised at how good things are. As a composer I frequently go to so-called composer’s conferences where I’m having a piece played, and so on, like Oklahoma City. And I mean, I would have no reason to go to Oklahoma City, except that at the Oklahoma City University they were gonna play a piece of mine, I realized how good the faculty,  the performance faculty, I don’t know about the rest, how they have attracted some of the best performers from around the world. Just as we have, we have people from East Europe going, coming to Queens College and Oklahoma City because of some of the members of their faculty were attracting people from East Europe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3402.0,3453.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Or there was a young clarinetist, Asian, maybe, she, I suspect that she was born maybe in Taiwan. Excellent clarinetist who was gonna play a piece of mine, and she put everything into it and so did her teacher… No, no she was the pianist, I remember arriving there and they, they wanted me to coach,  coach her and her clarinetist; it was a piece for clarinet and piano. Now they took everything I said very seriously, that’s why they were as good as they are in Oklahoma City. Well if I hadn’t been there for that performance, I wouldn’t have known that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3453.0,3491.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: My sister went to Enid, Oklahoma for a short time during the war, she married a bomber  pilot. You know why would I go to Oklahoma, well I have reasons for going to Oklahoma now.  And to any number of places in this country because I get travel… One of my best performances was in Santa Barbara a long, long time ago. Students, but pretty darn good and singing and performing, playing on instruments in some very difficult pieces of mine. I’m glad to travel around, even as I’m kind of getting old in years, I don’t mind going anywhere because I know I, I can you know see and hear things that are just as good as something I might hear and see in New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3491.0,3535.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: So, speaking of travelling around, I read in an article when I was, you know, doing some research on, on you, that you went to Europe during the 70’s on a tour.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3535.0,3545.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Yeah, well","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3545.0,3547.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner:  What was that like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3547.0,3548.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Our first sabbatical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3548.0,3550.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Yeah..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3550.0,3551.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Was in what I think ’72/’73 the academic year, in fact I even postponed getting mine so that Genevieve would be eligible for hers. 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And it was because the pictures he showed me, because of the stories he told me about the time that he spent in Rome, that I was sure, that when I got my first leave… in the army, that Rome is where I would have to go and sure enough, even in my khaki uniform, I didn’t have any civvies with me at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3551.0,3620.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And one of my old teachers from Columbia was… at the, the Rome…the, the American Academy in Rome, so I, you know, spent some time there. I got a, a decent, inexpensive room downtown and would walk and walk everywhere, go to all of the performances possible. 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We played you know piano duets; there's a very specialized repertory…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3692.0,3710.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Is that on one piano?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3710.0,3711.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings:  For piano, four hands. 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If somebody asked us to do two pianos, we’ll do it again [laughter], but we started to perform abroad, we had already performed,  that was how we met at Columbia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3717.0,3740.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: I asked her to play a piece of mine, which was a piece I had originally written for organ, which I made a piano four hand transcription. That’s how I met Genevieve. So we had already been playing piano four hands for, for a while, but by being in Europe, you know we had a chance to… give a concert in The Hague, in West Berlin… And I, I think it was maybe even later on we gave concerts in Milan, or, and also in a suburb of Milan... I mean we gave concerts all over; or Munich, where we were asked by somebody else to do, and mostly some contemporary thing. And altogether we, we played in three times in Vienna.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3740.0,3788.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Once in West Berlin, and of the last time we gave concerts in Switzerland, in Leipzig, and up in the Cologne-Dusseldorf area. Those are the last times we gave concerts, they were, were all on different trips, but really the first experiences were during that sabbatical, where I wrote like crazy. 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I’ve, I played a number of pieces of mine on recordings and… I’ve committed myself to playing a piece by one of my composer colleagues here in Connecticut… I’m gonna make the recording I hope in, in the, in this coming summer. But it’s a piece I've played on other concerts before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3836.0,3869.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: The whole idea of playing the music of your colleagues started at Queens. One of the most important events of the school year at Queens was at the end of the Spring semester; it was a composers’ concert essentially. It was then that Rathaus’s students would have their music performed, when I became a composition student, maybe even before, I, I would be willing to play the piano solo or in a chamber piece, or a piece of my own; anything they wanted me to do, I was willing to do. And it was also the event when they would announce the awards. 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We were the first two recipients of the Karol Rathaus prize. And my sonata for viola and piano got the Dillon Prize, which was for chamber music from a student. And I remember that was the piece that I finished when I was studying with Elliot Carter. It was during; my semester was the end that I was writing the last movement. So I was ready to, you know to show everything to him and it was then that I played ,as a student.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=3921.0,3966.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: I played that piece with a member of the faculty with Carl Eberl, E-B-E-R-L, who was the violist of this faculty string quartet. 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Also something, which I think distinguishes Queens, I don’t know whether it does it now, but when I was a freshman, I had some of the best members of the faculty, at Queens College, they didn’t think,  look down their nose at teaching freshman. Now when you go to other schools, like Harvard, I wonder how many times you get to study with any of those so-called distinguished members of the Harvard faculty. You're more likely to have a, a student or maybe a good graduate student, but a teaching fellow. 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I don’t think so.  At  Queens yes. And as a member of the theory faculty, at various times I taught all 6 semesters. The 6th semester is something that some of the faculty members don’t feel so qualified to teach, which is another reason why I was asked to do it. But, ok so that would be a more advanced course, I don’t know whether, different, not necessarily more advanced, but the most important course I thought I taught was the first. The first and the second, that first year- the first time they see me in the class, I had to start them off right. 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We all, for years we all saw eye-to-eye; once that curriculum was accepted by the Music Department over there in Rathaus Hall, that became the way to do it. And that, that would’ve been reason enough not to want to go teach anywhere else. I was really where I wanted to be.  Both in terms of what to teach, how to teach it, the colleagues, and the music students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4227.0,4259.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: And what about any like political events, like you know 60s, Civil Rights Movement…?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4259.0,4263.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Well that comes back to like that you know that form you were showing me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4263.0,4267.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Yeah. Do you remember any of that stuff?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4267.0,4270.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: That was when Stevenson was running for office, and also was at the end of the McCarthy era. And there were student activists who were really very active, and let everybody know exactly how they thought about it. There were you know demonstrations, nothing that Queens College wasn’t, didn’t want to discourage however. 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And I admired him enormously, not just as a composer, also as a person. Now, I remember buying an LP of his, which had a recording of his Third Symphony on it. And when I listened to it, I said, “Hmmm, yeah, you know this is something I don’t mind, a person being associated with. So I was a little disappointed when finally, I think it was when I was at Columbia… no, no, it was when I came back from the army and I think I was teaching at Bard, that I visited him at home. He lived in a somewhere, the upper counties on, around Tarrytown I think. And he was nice enough you know to greet both Genevieve and me. And then very soon after, he left to go south, North Carolina. But it’s those people who really make your life for what it is, and also I think teach you the way to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4504.0,4587.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Otto Luening, incidentally is, was the composer whom I studied with at Columbia for both years. And Genevieve originally studied with him, I think even before I did. And he became not just our teacher, but in fact our mentor; and we were friends with him and his widow. He and his widow, 8 years, his wife, new wife then, came to our wedding reception and… I admired him not only again as a composer; he was one of the first  American composers of electronic music. And he was the one who helped establish the… the studio for electronic music up on 125th street on the Columbia campus. He and Vladimir Ussachevsky, both of them actually collaborated on a couple of music compositions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4587.0,4650.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And Otto, it was Otto by the way who recommended that I be hired at Bard College. Remember I was in West Germany at the time; I was not interviewed at all. But one of members of the faculty up there wanted to change the curriculum at Bard, and because there was one fellow who was on sabbatical or on leave at the time, he found this an opportunity to get some fresh blood. And since he knew Otto Luening, he asked Otto whether he would recommend somebody, and even though I was in Europe at the time, he knew me quite well for having studied with him for two years, and he recommended me to be taken on at Bard. And that’s the way things were done those days, you know it was a lot of it was by word of mouth and if you asked somebody whose opinion and judgment you really trusted, you knew you were going to get something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4650.0,4708.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Nowadays people have to send out, you know all over the entire country. Some of my younger colleagues, let’s say even here in Connecticut, Connecticut have to ask me for a letter of recommendation, you know for tenure. “You mean the people on your campus don’t know you, who you are and what you can do, they have to ask me?!”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4708.0,4732.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Bureaucracy…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4732.0,4733.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Yea, I mean this is, this is stupid!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4733.0,4735.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: I’m dealing with it myself… [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4735.0,4737.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Are you some dumb, you don’t know the qualities of your good fellow, young faculty member who are up for tenure?  And this is the way it’s been going lately, but it was not that way when I came up as a young faculty member.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4737.0,4753.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Well you were a faculty member for what almost 40 years- right from…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4753.0,4756.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: 39 years yeah…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4756.0,4757.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: So how do you feel like it shifted, in the music department and maybe with technology and were you able to use that in the classroom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4757.0,4767.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: (Tissue)… Well, technology didn’t become important at the time outside of you know from 78-RPM records… (Laughter)… to CD’s…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4767.0,4798.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: I would get, hire some people, Hubert Howe for example was very important in developing the electronic music lab at, at Queens. Even when we were in Rathaus Hall, and by sheer coincidence he and I were fellow students at Princeton.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4798.0,4817.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: I went to Princeton by the way for a year, on a fellowship. I still didn’t have my degree at Boston University, but Princeton had just then started a degree in my specialty.  The word was getting around that, you know, if composers are going to have any credibility in academia, they were going to have to have a doctorate, because these deans don’t, are not able to, make judgments of the quality of prospective faculty members, they only know the degree. They have to see the sign. And… I think it was because of that, I wanted to try out Princeton and I got a fellowship there, a Guggenheim fellowship actually. And in one of the classes, Hubert Howe or as Tuck Howe is what we called him. Hubert Howe was in that class…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4817.0,4878.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: So I can’t say I was entirely surprised by it, although I had been already at Queens for few years, he was taken on. And I think it was largely because they felt he would be a very strong figure to organize the…  electronic music program, especially with the hardware and software, and the so-called lab. So that when we moved into the new building, into LeFrak Hall, you know we, there was a lot of room. They could really develop it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4878.0,4909.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: That’s the only time I could say technology really became an important element in the music curriculum, but it was because of electronic music; Leo Kraft, who was one of my teachers and who was a student of Rathaus, developed an interest in electronic music. Where he studied I'm not sure, he may have studied at the Columbia/Princeton lab that I was talking about up on 125th street, quite possibly I don’t know. But he took advantage of the hardware and software, which then at Queens… in fact he wrote a piece for us for piano, four hands, piano duet, and electronic tape. You know tape in those days… … And we recorded it and played it you know, at different places… we played it, we played it in Munich, played it in Switzerland, and of course played it at Queens [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4909.0,4973.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And, and the last time we played it, I was saying to myself, what a damn good piece this was. And yet this was in the early stages; now he was using samples, that one day he asked us to go down to the basement of Rathaus Hall and just play something on the piano that he would record and then alter electronically. Now he didn’t start with, it was sign tones in those days, he he started with something that was actually made physically, you know whether on a musical instrument or maybe a noise sound or something. And then alter that electronically; now things have changed a great deal since, actually most of the electronic music which you will hear is made from the ground up, from a single sign tone [laughter], you know and it’ll build up. And this is the kind of music I think basically that Howe himself now composes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=4973.0,5029.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: But before that technology, it was just you know playing an LP, and then later on playing a CD, or electronic piano, because they save room, but nobody would use an electronic music, an electronic piano rather, to play any serious music. The conformists on Queens now, play on Steinway grands, and I think we even have an arrangement with the Steinway company, where they can call us a ‘Steinway School’ I guess, you know because of all the Steinway pianos we have that are there to be performed on and there to be given lessons on. They’re also to be practiced by the, well any, not just the performers, but any of the other students also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5029.0,5073.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: But in some of the smaller rooms, where we have the so-called ‘keyboard classes.’ One of the three hours, incidentally, of so-called theory, two of the hours is written music, the other hour you have to sit in front of a piano and learn how play harmonic progressions, learn how to harmonize a melody, learn how to take a piece of orchestral music, and play that with only ten fingers on the piano, learn to do a little improvising, if I give you a theme to start with. And through the five of the six semesters this I guess is, I hope, still a requirement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5073.0,5115.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And it doesn’t matter whether you're, you're a piano major or even play the piano, you have to learn how to play the piano well enough to be able to do these things. I mean, I don’t think that anywhere else outside of [laughter] Queens College would they expect such a, the music program is really very demanding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5115.0,5135.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5135.0,5136.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Yeah, but therefore you can do things that others can’t do. Another part of the program, which I think was very important, which I think they still may do. Queens, when I was a student had… comprehensive exams, some of it was written and some of it was even oral. It would be a comprehensive writing exam. A comprehensive exam I think in contemporary civilization, which was not just history. And each department, if you were a major in that department you had to take a comprehensive exam. Now all of those gradually disappeared, but not in the School of Music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5136.0,5180.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: That involved a number of things. When I was a student, the comprehensive exam meant you had to take an, a dictation exam, they would play something- you had to write it out on a piece of paper; you had to write a piece of music; you had to orchestrate a piece, like maybe a piano piece; you had to write a history exam; you had to prepare two pieces, one of which was written in the 20th century and you had to play those two pieces for a jury. All of these things, that was all of the things that you had studied during the previous four years, you had to demonstrate you actually learned and remembered.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5180.0,5220.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Now that has changed somewhat. You don’t need to write a piece of music anymore, you don’t have to orchestrate a piece. I, by the way, I, I orchestrated a Hungarian rhapsody of Franz Liszt, a piece which I had played a number of times in public. And since I knew the piece so well, I figured ‘hey I ought to be able to rewrite this for orchestra’ [laughter], so I did. You don’t have to do; you don’t have to take a dictation test anymore, but several of the other things you still do have to take.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5220.0,5253.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And one of things, which I think is very important for the students still I hope to do, was you would prepare, study a couple of pieces of music, including one from the 20th century, well you know, more recent times. And had to be able to play certain excerpts from it on the piano, pianist or not. You had to be able to tell a jury of two faculty members something about the piece that you had studied; what can you convey to us about your understanding of this piece of music. And you would think, well shouldn’t any musician be able to do that; we think so, and you have to show us that you can do it by having that and being part of your comprehensive exam,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5253.0,5298.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: There is also a written, a written test, but this jury I think is extremely important. You have to demonstrate on the piano that you have heard this piece, not just listened to a recording of it; you have to discuss it with us. We have to ask you questions, we have to judge you on how well you're able to respond to those questions. We think that’s what a musician ought to be able to do, not just play the piano fast and furious like Lang Lang.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5298.0,5328.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: So are you a fan of like modern composers that like slow things down like Phillip Glass?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5328.0,5332.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Well I don’t, I'm not, I'm a little suspicious of the training that some of the younger, modern composers who I run into at these composers’ forums, composers’ conferences are getting. When I bring up the whole matter, which I mentioned to you before, that before you can write music, you should have gotten your fingers dirty with it by playing with it. Like start as early as possible; start listening to it and then start playing it. If, the best thing that anybody who wants to study music can do is learning to play a musical instrument and live with it for let’s say six months, so that you're good at playing it, so that you can go on a stage and project that piece to an audience. If you can do that, you have an understanding of music which is not going to be had by someone who is only composing. And all the only dribbling, using an electronic keyboard…a mini-program, where you can play something and it automatically appears, no notating. I don’t think that’s the way to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5332.0,5402.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Get your fingers dirty, which is the expression I use. Get your fingers dirty with music by listening to it, if you're practicing it day by day in order to be able to play it for an audience, you're hearing that piece much better than the composer who doesn’t listen so much.  And I don’t think that some of the younger composers are getting that kind of experience. Now I, I can say, I don’t wanna brag about it, but you know I've been playing the piano since I was 7 years old, and it started with that listening to those records that my father would bring home, realizing that ‘hey, this is really interesting music.’ And when I started to play, I got even more interested in it, and it was because I was interested in playing it that I started to say, ‘well it might be interesting to even play some of it.’","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5402.0,5452.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: So in my teens I would you know, write little, little pieces and they started to get a little more ambitious, to the point where my teacher started saying, ‘well maybe you should start studying it, which is when I ran across somebody like Robert Ward, letting him, showing him some of my pieces before I studying composition as an undergraduate at Queens. Now they deliberately postponed my studying of composition, and I think they were right. They were telling me, study harmony and counterpoint first, don’t try to do both at the same… that doesn’t mean that you can’t continue writing music, do it, don’t stop just because we think that before you study composition formally you, but… study harmony and counterpoint first, and that’s in fact what I did. And my keyboard skills, especially studying with Sol Berkowitz, who would do this stuff better than anybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5452.0,5507.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: He would make us, especially the pianists, he would make us learn to play by heart a two-part invention of Bach. And play it in two different keys, or to take the Exposition, which is the first major section of a sonata movement of Mozart- play it from memory and play in three different keys. Now, you know, so that when I, when I was at the 3rd Street Music School Settlement and in graduate school, they asked me to play for the accompanying classes. So, and very often, if I accompanied one of the students at a student concert, it wouldn’t necessarily be in the same key in which the student had learned, I would have to play it in a different key. Well, hells bells, I could do that; I was doing that, I was doing more difficult things as an undergraduate at Queens College, of course I could do that in an accompanying class. Though, I also got a reputation there for being you know handy at the keyboard, but I wouldn’t have been so handy, if I hadn’t been, maybe gone to another school, and not been told by people like Sol Berkowitz in Queens, ‘hey you gotta learn how to transpose.’ You would’ve learned how to you know harmonize something, it’s a, to improvise a little something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5507.0,5587.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: There is something called model composition, I don’t know if you’ve ever heard the term, I haven’t used it all my life, but one of the things that they told us to do back then and which we continue to do at Queens for our students is that when you get your, when our students get  a certain level of understanding of music, they should try to write something, as if you were a composer of that time. Just to demonstrate your imagination, your inventiveness, and the how well you're able to get, handle the material.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5587.0,5621.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: So, one of things that I got a kick out of doing, I really rather enjoyed doing it, I would write the opening measure of a piece that, if I were working in let’s say 1810, this is the kind of music I guess I would be expected to compose then. And I would give them to my students, and they would have to learn to, what it sounds like, to maybe analyze it, then they would have to continue it. Alright, write two or three more phrases that grow out of that, and I also did that in the 6th semester. 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She was in an ear training class of mine where she, you had to do sight singing, and you had to take dictation; and I think she was a biology major. She was a very bright young woman, but she realized that she wouldn’t, didn’t want to become a music major. Maybe she felt studying biology was a little bit more practical, but she was one of those students whom I admired even more than the music majors. I’ll never forget after she had heard the, the chorus at Queens, the so-called a cappella choir, they sang the mass of Stravinsky in LeFrak Hall, and she was I think in the audience, I don’t know that she did any of the singing herself in the chorus, but she came up to me after the concert, because obviously she knew me from class. 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But I told him, I remembered, during the years I taught that six-semester course, using a piece of Stravinsky, which he calls Symphonies d'instruments à vent, which are just symphonies of wind instruments, something that he composed around  1919;  it’s in a so-called neo-classical style, and I remember using it because I thought it was a short, very good example, which would introduce, the students in my class to the kind of assignment that I would be giving them, this model composition. It would be something like that, where they would, it would be written for piano, so that they could at least play it. 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I don’t know how typical this is or how widespread this is, but things don’t quite seem the way now that they seemed, things seem more now than they did then. I find myself more emotional now; reacting to music I've known all my life more now, than I did then.  And I don’t know where this is all coming from, I had to live this long to have these reactions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=5964.0,6002.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: I remember once sitting in, I had a, I don’t know what, a dental appointment, and I was hearing the car radio. It was one of those pieces that was on those 78-RPM records; it was the Academic Festival Overture of Brahms. So how many times have I heard this piece over my lifetime, and here I am listening to it on the radio, from the local radio station. And listening to it and saying, ‘how did he know to do that then?’ You know, and then it was being amazed by it, by what Brahms did. I couldn’t hear the piece because I had to go upstairs for my appointment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6002.0,6040.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Now, but why did it take me so long to be so amazed by this? Oh, I thought I thought I understood the piece, I didn’t understand it that well. But I think I understand it better now. Or taking the Beethoven 9th Symphony, and which I've heard who knows how many times where you had 78-RPM records, you know Bruno Walther recording with the New York Philharmonic. But I heard it live once, out at the college where Genevieve teaches, she teaches at LIU Post. I think it was an Australian orchestra, and I’m listening to the very end of the famous movement where “da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-dah,” you know where that tune is, and I’m listening to the end, and said, ‘that’s what he had in mind.’ I can’t believe it took so long to understand, why Beethoven did what he did in those last measures. 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Why now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6098.0,6106.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner:  I don’t have the answer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6106.0,6109.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: You know maybe that’s warning you; you know, you will also very likely change.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6109.0,6113.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: I'm sure I will.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6113.0,6114.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And change for the better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6114.0,6115.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Hopefully!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6115.0,6116.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: I think, I think if I can (its grew?) better…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6116.0,6117.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Sounds like it, you have greater appreciation. Oh, wow…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6117.0,6122.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: But so much of this is, what's happening while I was teaching my students…the things that, in teaching counterpoint for example, the things that I realize that I had come to understand are truly important. And the things, which I tell other younger composer- those are things, which you really ought to concentrate on  -- the things that I had been, had been telling my undergraduates for all these years, and I hope they picked up on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6122.0,6154.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Wow… You’ve been, you have like been in the school for almost like 50 years, if you like add it all up so…do you remember how it changed? 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Remsen Hall was, had just been opened; that was the first new building on the campus. Otherwise, all courses were given in these so-called; you know “Spanish cottages.” And of course there was a green, there was a quadrangle, and the big building at the very top of the hill that you walk up to from Kissena Boulevard, that was the only place where they had any administrative offices. And a library was upstairs on the top floor and downstairs was the only concert hall that we had. And it was where that choir rehearsed 2 or 3 times a week; where Jack Castellini  could say, ‘Brings, go up there on the, up at the piano and sight-read the accompaniment or, oh, something else, because he knew we were studying conducting with him, he might walk off the podium and say ‘look, you by now should know the notes of this piece, come up on the podium and conduct it.’ And we had to be ready like that; this was part of my education, let me tell you, you had to be on the spot to do something, which was important to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6182.0,6265.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Sink or swim.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6265.0,6266.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And he was conveying the importance, you should be able by now to do this, and to show you I’m gonna ask you to do it, now! Today! And when you least expect it!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6266.0,6276.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Thr, Throws you right in the deep end.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6276.0,6277.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: [Laughter] Yeah. And that was all done in that, I don’t know what they used it for, but there used to be dancing lessons there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6277.0,6286.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Now they have a full…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6286.0,6287.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: There was a Phys. Ed. Requirement, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6287.0,6289.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6289.0,6290.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Yeah!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6290.0,6291.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: You had to climb a rope?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6291.0,6292.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Ah, some, something’s they were, some of them was gymnastics. There was also one, one written class…Team sports, but also dancing. I remember taking a little tap dancing, a littler ballroom dancing… [Laughter]… It was, that was part of the Phys. Ed. requirement back then.  It wasn’t just soccer and softball or, [laughter] or a, touch-tackle or [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6292.0,6318.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: But the, the campus then ,you know was really very, very rural, and what made it so I think was two things. First of all, there was the grid, the quadrangle, but beyond that there were literally farm fields because there was a vocational high school, which was designed to teach youngsters how to grow. 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But of course they still have some of the red-bricked buildings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6376.0,6383.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: They left those,  they changed the roofs, I mean updated them a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6383.0,6386.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Oh really? 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And he and Morey played, I have one piece for piano four hands as an original piece, they played it and they recorded it. And of course it’s about, their recording is about as good as it’s gonna get. Morey and Don… oh, I don’t know, if you know I wait long enough I can think of all kind of other people who started out and are back… I won’t bother you with that right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6523.0,6575.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And yet now there are other people who I thought would... make careers of themselves as.  that violinist whom I had played with, at the NAACP event in Flushing when I was a student. He was a terrific violinist, but I never heard anything about him after he left Queens. Now, why? Somebody so good could certainly have made a career as a violinist. Maybe he did things and I’m just not aware of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6575.0,6602.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Do you remember any students who like really made it like, like very famous, made it big, like during your time teaching them? I mean like even, I can only think of one like really famous, like big musician who walked through there, and that would be like Paul Simon. 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What they really need to do is be able to do many different things; they knew, they need for example to be able to play chamber music, and of course they, they do have well-known pianists, who were soloists or still are soloists or also have a reputation for playing with other performers, with other soloists or let’s say with piano quartets, with other stringed instruments or with wind quintets, or new music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6624.0,6697.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Now there are some well-known pianists who can certainly play the standard repertory, but have made a reputation playing new music. 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I, I gave Don a new piece, which I had written and said, ‘look here is something which they ought to be able to play.’ They are not likely to make a famous career for themselves, but this is one of the things they might be asked to play and they should not say, ‘Oh I have no acquaintance with anything new, I can’t do this’…‘Alright we’ll get someone else to do the job, the gig.’","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6697.0,6741.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: It’s that versatility, which I think that the people in the performance faculty at Queens are more likely to understand and then try to convey to these people who have their heads up in the sky think they, they're going to make a career as a touring pianist, which is not all that it’s cracked up to be also. 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I mean if they were serious about music before, why are they going to stop being serious about it- simply because they are teaching career, at least classroom teaching career, is over. I still have a couple of private piano students who come, who come here. And…I, I don’t, I, I still, I don’t perform as often as I do, except on the occasions when I do perform are very, are very serious. I have to be on top of my game when I do that. 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I'm Professor Emeritus at Queens College and apparently I am entitled to use the hall and to use these facilities. Now I have to go elsewhere for the editing, but the editing I go to is somebody who is a Grammy Award winner and he knows Rick Krahn and they go out and have lunch together. 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He himself is also a violinist, terrific violinist. Now that’s something else again, not only do I think composers ought to know how to perform well, I think recording engineers and editors do. And he is one of those who do; I asked him the other day when he was doing an editing of a piece of mine, which is also a regular piano recording, I don’t know when, a piece for violin and piano, recorded at Queens [laughter]. ‘Are there many other recoding engineers or editors who can do what you do?’ ‘No, there are some but not many’","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=6880.0,6925.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: So I’m, I value- I was referred to him I think by Rick at Queens. 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So you lived here in Connecticut for most of your teaching?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7044.0,7050.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Yeah we lived up in Bard, you know for that one year, and then when I decided to go to Boston University for the doctorate, we needed to be on the New Haven Railroad line. Genevieve at the time was teaching at Barnard College, so she had to commute to New York, and I wanted to be on some railroad line that would get me to Boston, at least you know once a week. I had no trouble, as I said before, getting on the Doctoral program and for a year and a half as a teaching fellow, I stayed four nights, three nights a week at the YMCA on [audio unclear] Avenue in Boston, and took the train back. A few times I drove, but it was a lot easier to take the New Haven Railroad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7050.0,7102.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Even the first year I think, or maybe it was the first semester I was teaching at Queens as a lecturer, I was still going up on Mondays and I was able to take three courses; one of them was I think a course in history for a small group of students, so I didn’t have to go three days. I could do the three hours on the one day, and also study with my principal teachers. I studied orchestration with him, and composition with him; and this was strictly one on one. And his name was Gardner Read, R-E-A-D, who was a really important composer. He has an opera I don’t know why the man isn’t producing it. 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I would sometimes send him a recording some of my stuff. We would go to visit him. I admired him as a really fine composer; we got along well, because so much of it was one on one. So I was able to go up to Boston on a morning train and come back here about 2 o'clock [laughter] in the morning and go to Queens College and teach my music appreciation class the next day [laughter]. I don’t think I could do that now, but look I had to do it then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7156.0,7200.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: What kind, what kind of coffee you drink?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7200.0,7203.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: [laughter]…You had, you did what you had to do….So when I got that degree, and they made me an assistant professor right away, I felt OK, I had made the right decision.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7203.0,7214.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: So you drove to Queens or train most of the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7214.0,7217.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: In those days, I, I was driving; in those days I was living in this rented cottage in Norwalk. When I went to, from Bard to Norwalk to be on the New Haven Railroad line, it was because it was a cottage available and we stayed there for about four years, renting. And then it was Genevieve’s idea, she said, ‘look neither of us has full time jobs yet, but why don’t we buy a house!?’ [Both: laughter]… Ah what!? With what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7217.0,7248.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: So, we spent a year looking through a couple of real estate agents, and when we saw this, it’s what you noticed; we saw the greenery, the trees and it took us about a year to find it and say ‘that’s it!’ So, we made a down payment and our real estate agent, I don’t know (if) we could’ve done it without her, she referred to us, not as musicians, but as teachers, so we got a good mortgage from Prudential. It was what, 100, 119 dollars a month. I mean can you imagine, the house cost $30,500 then, I mean I don’t know what it’s worth now. But it was possible for us to do. And then I got the full-time job at Queens and then she got her doctorate, she got a PhD at Columbia in musicology, although she was a terrific pianist. She was a, she was a child prodigy; she was already studying the piano at the age of 4, playing in public, you know at the age of 7. But, Columbia in those days still didn’t offer the kind of degree that I would have needed, that I was able to get at Boston University.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7248.0,7328.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: But she got her Ph.D. in musicology, which suited her just, just fine. It was, certainly would have been better, a Doctor of Musical Arts in piano, which she would have gotten very easily. Therefore she was able to teach at LIU Post or CW Post, as it was known then, and teach a variety of courses with her Ph.D. in musicology. She’s the principal teacher there now in music history and musicology courses. And she doesn’t teach piano there, she teaches piano here in Connecticut.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7328.0,7363.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: So we stayed at this cottage, renting it for about four years, bought a house in 1964, this house, and we’ve been living here ever since.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7363.0,7371.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Wow. And you comm…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7371.0,7374.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Well you look this basement was a cellar… [chuckle]… now it’s become our studio really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7374.0,7382.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: It’s just crazy that you commuted and drove there to Queens that, all the time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7382.0,7385.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7385.0,7386.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/382","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Thirty-nine years!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7386.0,7387.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Well…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7387.0,7388.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: I mean where, where’d you park? What was the parking like, do you remember?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7388.0,7391.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/385","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Well, there was the parking lot right outside of Rathaus Hall...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7391.0,7395.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Oh, that one still, it’s still by…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7395.0,7396.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Yeah… and it didn’t cost that much to park there. But it was the drudgery of driving back and forth. And the fact that you know, I was in two accidents. You know someone ran into me twice- one was a drunk, and the other was simply a rush hour driver who didn’t know how to drive on the Merritt Parkway with the, with the hills, and ran out of control. And so I started taking the, the train from here in Wilton, there was a station in the Wilton, I didn’t even much know about. And then take a subway, bus through to Queens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7396.0,7431.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/388","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: It took… it would take about two and a quarter hours, each way, but remember it was a basic three day schedule with occasionally you know, going in on other days, but all those things I did on the train, I would have had to wait and I would’ve been like this after driving, with nothing yet done. When I came home to here, I know if I was, let’s say home, the next day, it would’ve been my own work.  I would be spending it either practicing the piano or composing new music or writing program notes or doing anything that I otherwise you know, would want to do. The train enabled me to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7431.0,7472.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Now nobody can really believe that, they really don’t think in terms of travelling by train. Now, you know there are people who when I go to the parking lot in here in Cannondale, which I still do on occasion, there have been people who take the train out at a quarter to seven in the morning. There are still cars, there are already cars in that parking lot.  Now they're just going maybe to Manhattan, maybe walking to, or still maybe taking the subway down to Wall Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7472.0,7500.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: I have a few more wrap up questions here…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7500.0,7502.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7502.0,7503.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Did your daughter follow you guys into music?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7503.0,7506.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/393","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: No…[laughter]… She is in television production.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7506.0,7511.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/394","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7511.0,7512.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/395","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: She didn’t… we taught at what is called The Weston Music Center and School for the Performing Arts. When we first moved to Connecticut, we looked up in the yellow pages, because I wasn’t teaching at Bard anymore. I needed to do something, you know to, because Genevieve was teaching at Barnard, or we needed some extra cash. So, we looked up in the yellow pages and found there was a little music school in an adjoining town, which is just to the east of here, Weston. And we went there one day, introduced ourselves and again, I don’t know what they saw in us, but they said sure, you know next week come in on an afternoon when you're not in Boston, and you know start,  start teaching.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7512.0,7556.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/396","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Now only have I been doing that since, except when we were in Italy that time, but now we own the Weston Music Center and School for the Performing Arts. We are one of three members of the board of governors. When the woman who owned it died, we inherited it from her and we became two out the three members of the board of governors with someone else who was originally one of her students and became one of Genevieve’s students also. And we don’t use the building, which was originally used, ah now, but we found other places and the Weston Music Center and School for the Performing is still going, and even though I have these two adult students here and sometimes a younger student, they are still paying tuition to the Weston Music Center and School of the Performing Arts, so it’s still ongoing. And I think what we do there is still very important, and needs to be done. So, it’s not just Queens College, for years I had taught youngsters until they graduated high school and maybe went off somewhere else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7556.0,7621.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/397","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Now one of them was a piano student of mine, but started to study flute; she was an excellent pianist before she graduated and went to Julliard as a flute student. She was already working on one of the Beethoven piano concertos, she was that good. And later on she became a professional flutist, she is well known, still plays professionally and she’s played a couple of pieces of mine. She recorded with me, a piece that I really wrote with her in mind. And very recently, about a season or two ago, no, last season, she played that same piece with me in New York, and the season before, she played with the, the string orchestra, a concerto for flute and strings. So, because we met at the Music Center, you know as a piano student, we’ve known each other ever since. And we are still, you know, good friends and if I need a really good flutist, I know exactly where to go [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7621.0,7690.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/398","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Wow… Alright and final question, when you think of Queens College, what's your fondest memory, what comes to mind?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7690.0,7698.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/399","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: So many, really there…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7698.0,7700.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/400","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Too many to pick?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7700.0,7701.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/401","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: I wouldn’t want to say any that exceeded another. Starting with, I mean the vivid memory I have right now is walking onto the campus, getting off the bus, walking up the hill, past the big building and walking down the right side of the green, I think my first classes may have been in A building. And it was either an English class or a French Class. And seeing the sun in September, seeing all those students who like me wanted to be there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7701.0,7737.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/402","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Also they, here were G.I. Bill of Rights Students still in 195...1951. And they had their reasons for being there, maybe slightly different, but we all had reasons for wanting to be there and doing well, not, not messing around. I did pick up you know a few extra piano students, and so on. Still took lessons at the 3rd Street Music School Settlement, when it was still on East 3rd Street in the Lower East Side. But that, I mean the sun always came out after that. And I was kind of…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7737.0,7775.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: Let me give you some other personal experiences. Dean Lenz, who was a member of the faculty when he became dean, he wasn’t dean all of the time, maybe he enjoyed teaching so much; he didn’t want to be dean, only dean. But his relationship with the students was always close and friendly, and for some reason he asked me into his office, he had some, he had some questions, and he was just being damn nice. And when I was on the Dean’s List, which was the first honor that we got when you were I think, a sophomore. You know, I was proud to be on that Dean’s List. And when I was elected to Phi Beta Kappa, not in the last semester, but in the, in other words I was a lower senior. In other words you were doing, you were considered to be doing fairly well to be elected to Phi Beta Kappa. I, I… what's Phi Beta Kappa? I had to be told what it was; I had to be told what they were looking for. So that, like so many other things, I was surprised- like, like the two music awards, I was surprised that I got them, because I wasn’t trying to get them. I wasn’t expecting to get anything at all. I was having such a good time learning and later on teaching, that I [laughter] wasn’t expecting to get any you know special [clapping] applause for doing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7775.0,7862.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And then when I got to my graduating Magna Cum Laude, that was also a surprise. Now who get to be Magna Cum Laude; well you have to have a certain average.  Better than Cum Laude, but not as good as Summa Cum Laude…[laughter]. No, so you were noticed during graduation, maybe you got up and I don’t know what. So that was the last time, I was a student; I was on the quadrangle to graduate and that was the same quadrangle I walked on to that first day when I was a student, beginning and end.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7862.0,7899.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: And then later on, I was a teacher. And you know, I don’t know how many times I can tell you that, after I joined the faculty, whether it was early on or even in my last years I would walk by there and say, ‘What am I? How did I get here? What am I doing here? How did I get so lucky to teaching at a place like this, where I also considered to be so fortunate to a student here.’ I mean even now when I'm walking across campus, maybe from the Student Union where the parking lot is to go to LeFrak Hall, I still look out and then… Now in some sense, my attitude and feeling for it has not changed one bit. And all of it is very well, with a whole lot of gratitude, being able to take something as a student, give something as a member of the faculty. And nobody is taking a pound off my hide, I mean  and I've sometimes told my old students for whatever you think you got out of me, you were giving something to me, only you just didn’t know it at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7899.0,7978.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Hmmm… That’s a nice story. It’s like a great movie. All right, well that is a lot of information for now, if I have any more questions I’ll…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7978.0,7996.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: No… I bought a couple of wraps this morning, would you be interested in having a wrap with me [laughter]… I mean what time is it? I’ve totally lost track.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=7996.0,8006.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Zachary Sipzner: Almost two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=8006.0,8007.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372/transcript/62082/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Brings: I can’t read it… oh 1:43!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/195372#t=8007.0,8014.70694"}]}]},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/218126","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - Allen_Brings_presentation.mp4"]},"duration":226.51066,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/218/126/small/thumbnail_218126_1701464200.jpg?1701446201","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/218126/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/218126/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-queenslibrary.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/218/126/original/Allen_Brings_presentation.mp4?1701463415","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":226.51066,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/150/collection_resources/98193/file/218126","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[]}]}