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He also recalls Parkway Village as being a safe haven that was welcoming of inter-racial couples and embracing of multiculturalism. Hendler explains that as a result of growing up in Parkway Village, he had friends who came from all over the world and it wasn't until he got older that he became aware of how unusual it was to live in a community lacking in segregation or discrimination based on race or ethnic background.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eHendler, who attended public schools outside of Parkway Village after nursery school, shares his memories of school desegregation in Queens while he was in junior high school during the mid-1960s. He also discusses his parents' involvement in the Civil Rights Movement (particularly his father Samuel Hendler, a civil rights attorney) and why Parkway Village was an attractive community to prosepective residents whose ideological views were similar to those of his parents. During the interview, Hendler highlights notable residents of Parkway Village during his time growing up there, including executive director of the NAACP Roy Wilkins and anthropologist Eduardo Mondlane, who later became president of the Mozambique Liberation Front.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003ePhoto: Parkway Village, Jamaica, New York, 1947. 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Opened in 1947 and located in the Kew Gardens Hills neighborhood of Queens, Parkway Village was built to serve as housing for United Nations employees. Hendler recalls attending the United Nations International Nursery School located in Parkway Village. He also recalls Parkway Village as being a safe haven that was welcoming of inter-racial couples and embracing of multiculturalism. Hendler explains that as a result of growing up in Parkway Village, he had friends who came from all over the world and it wasn't until he got older that he became aware of how unusual it was to live in a community lacking in segregation or discrimination based on race or ethnic background.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eHendler, who attended public schools outside of Parkway Village after nursery school, shares his memories of school desegregation in Queens while he was in junior high school during the mid-1960s. 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So, you were just about to tell me how you ended up in Parkway Village—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=0.0,6.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'll give you a rough narrative. So, I don't recall what year Parkway opened to non UN [United Nations] personnel, but we moved there in '56. My folks lived in—we had an apartment in Brooklyn, and my folks were very involved in the Civil Rights Movement at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=6.0,34.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=34.0,35.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e And, you know, my dad was an attorney. He did corporate work, but his avocation was civil liberties law. And he had, in the service, in his late years in the service, he had been involved in the efforts to integrate some of the armed forces. And so I think he and my mom were actively looking to, A, get out of their small apartment in Brooklyn because they had a kid, but, you know, find some place that was kind of ideologically associated with their thoughts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=35.0,91.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=91.0,94.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e And, you know, Parkway Village at the time was still overwhelmingly UN. A lot of stuff I realized later on. As a little kid growing up in Parkway Village, I really did not pay attention to race and ethnicity. It was just all over. And I just assumed that that's the way the world was. But there were a lot of racially mixed couples there. And I think at the time there were very few places that were welcoming to racially mixed couples. When I think back on it, a lot of my friends and their families were part of racially mixed couples. So I think that was another attraction that brought people to Parkway Village, whether they were associated with the UN or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=94.0,168.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e [unclear] the Village really celebrated the multicultural stuff. There would be—I can't remember whether it was once or twice a year, but at least once a year there would be a big Parkway Village International Festival where everybody in the Village would cook different meals and there'd be music and dancing from different cultures in the Village and that kind of thing. I guess what I'm saying is there was an awareness that it wasn't just accidentally multicultural and [that] we live here. It was really kind of explicitly celebrated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=168.0,217.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e This was obviously beginning right firmly in the baby boom. It tended heavily to be young couples with kids. The place was just always one big kind of roving band of kids who could be at anyone's house at any time. And there were two branches of UN schools there. One was the United Nations International Nursery School, where I went for two years, and then I went to the local public school. But also in Parkway was a large branch of the United Nations International School. So, a lot of kids who lived there went there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=217.0,292.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e But it was [a very close community]. It was multiethnic and multicultural, but you really didn't have the kind of economic divisions that [you saw in] other parts of Queens and the city. Everybody was pretty much solidly middle class employed. Very low crime other than the usual—in the sixties and seventies in Queens, there was a lot of things like auto theft and home burglaries and stuff like that. Parkway certainly had lots of those, but there was none of the kind of crimes against persons [unclear] that you would have in places where there was also a lot of socioeconomic inequity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=292.0,372.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e So that was striking to me. Again, I really didn't realize any of this stuff till later in life. I just thought this was what was. I guess since you've been looking at Parkway, you have a reasonable idea of some of the better known people who lived there. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=372.0,399.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=399.0,399.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. One that I mention, particularly because he was a very good friend of my family and a lovely guy, and not too many people talk about him, was Eduardo Mondlane. Are you familiar with [him]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=399.0,416.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e No. How do you spell his last name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=416.0,418.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e M-O-N-D-E-L-A-N-E [the correct spelling is M-O-N-D-L-A-N-E, corrected by transcript editor]. And it's E-D-U-A-R-D-O. And if you look at him, if you look him up in Wikipedia, he was—I remember him particularly because he used to push me on the swing all the time [laughs] as a little kid, but he was the president of the Mozambique Liberation Front. Before that, he was a UN employee for a while in Parkway, and he was in a mixed marriage. But he was quite an interesting guy who was later assassinated in a bombing. But I don't know [unclear] footnote anywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=418.0,477.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e So, I lived there. We lived in two different apartments there. And I lived there from '56—at one point, I went to college in Vermont, but then when I came back, I got my own apartment in Parkway. And so I was in Parkway from '56 to '82.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=477.0,511.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e If you're interested, I have lots of pictures. I have pictures of various—my dad used to dress up as Santa a lot, and they would have a Parkway Village pickup truck, and he'd drive around and they'd give everybody presents. We moved apartments when my sister was born in '61 to a larger apartment. And at that point we moved next door to Roy Wilkins. And the Wilkins and my parents became very close.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=511.0,558.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=558.0,559.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e And if you'd like, I have pictures of my mom and a friend in the backyard playing folk music to raise money for help getting him out of jail in Alabama. And I can't remember whether that was '63 or '64 or whatever it was. But it was that kind of vibe. It was a great place to grow up. I'm sorry that I couldn't have raised my kids there, but it at some point in history, I think it went co-op. It went from rental to co-op in the eighties, early eighties or late seventies. And then slowly it started to lose explicitly the international character and the festivals and that kind of thing. My mom is still there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=559.0,637.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Why don't you tell me a little bit more about what you're looking for because I could ramble all over the place about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=637.0,648.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e So far this is amazing. I've just been jotting down notes over here. So I am really interested in the history of this community, the everyday character of it. Like, yeah, the fact that your dad was dressing up as Santa and distributing presents, stuff like that I find really interesting. But then I'm also interested in how all these people from around the world and Americans come to this community. It's almost like a different level of international relations [crosstalk]—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=648.0,698.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e —[crosstalk] looking at it retrospectively, I think even after the UN moved, which I guess it did fairly early on, I can't remember what year they opened up the Manhattan headquarters, I think Parkway was really regarded by many as a safe haven. It was just a place where all of this stuff was automatically accepted. Again, when I look back at it, my friends were from all over the world, but that seemed to me like what was normal. Now, later obviously I got a little more experience in life [laughs] and went to other places.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=698.0,768.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e It's interesting because the local public school—for those of us who didn't go to the United Nations [School]—the local public school in the adjacent community was very much not multicultural and multiethnic. It was pretty white and segregated. It wasn't really until I was in junior high school that the whole—the school integration movements started to really affect the makeup of the schools. And there were all the fights about busing to other schools and bringing in people from other school districts. And that was a big battle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=768.0,830.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e And my parents were very involved in that. There was an organization, something like the Queens Association for Integrated Quality Education, that a lot of folks in Parkway and other neighboring areas were involved with. And at that time, there were very angry, very angry demonstrations in the local community with pretty much—with most of the community outside of Parkway being very vehemently anti-busing. And that was going on in—Queens was the center of that and so were parts of Boston, I guess. At that point, there were times that it sort of felt like an us-versus-them kind of situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=830.0,897.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e This is super interesting. I definitely get the idea that it was a safe haven from some of the stuff that I've read—for international families, for interracial families, and then also for white families that were involved in the Civil Rights Movement. It was a safe haven for their politics where they could be themselves, so to speak. What you were just talking about is really interesting about the public school. So you were in the UN nursery school— Yes, I was in the UN nursery school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=897.0,938.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I was in the UN nursery school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=938.0,938.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I was in the UN nursery school. —and then you went to the public school. Which public school was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=938.0,947.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e P.S. 117, which was just a short walk. The neighboring community was called Briarwood. And that's where the school was. Interestingly, Briarwood is very, very heavily multiethnic now, as is almost all of Queens, but it wasn't at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=947.0,976.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I think Queens is maybe the most diverse place in the U.S. right now—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=976.0,984.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Some claim in the world. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=984.0,986.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it's pretty incredible—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=986.0,989.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm not sure how they assess that [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=989.0,994.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don't know either [laughs]. So, when you went to the school, do you remember feeling like you were different or that the school had a different vibe than what you were used to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=994.0,1006.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I wouldn't have said so. There was a pretty good sprinkling of Parkway kids in the school. There were few to no black kids in the school. I never really went back and thought about that and wondered where the—and, in fairness, there weren't that many black kids in Parkway. There were a fair number, but it was much more ethnically mixed. In other parts of Queens at the time, if they talked about integration, they were talking about black and white kids. But Parkway was really—I would've said that there was a pretty low percentage of black kids in Parkway. Most of the ones I recall were of mixed parentage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1006.0,1077.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e It'd be interesting to see what Marina [Budhos] remembers about that. Obviously Marina's family was mixed, but I think they came in a fair bit later. I was quite good friends with Marina's brother. So most of the mixing was heavily multiethnic. 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Indian was pretty highly represented. And by the way, Indian families were established in Queens fairly early on. But there were lots of [kids from], well, pretty much anywhere UN delegates came from. So, if you took a shot of the people in the General Assembly at the time, that probably would've given you a fairly good idea as to what Parkway looked like population-wise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1121.0,1179.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e That's really interesting. Just in terms of the ethnic makeup, were there lots of—the black children who were there, were they mostly like from UN families or were they African-American?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1179.0,1195.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Mostly when I was growing up, they would've been from the UN. 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So, this was all going on against the panoply of the school integration movement. And there were a lot of cases at the time. This was after—what was separate but equal? Plessy versus Ferguson, or something like that. This was after the time when it was established that you couldn't have separate schools and separate facilities and just say that they were equivalent. However, nothing was really being done proactively to integrate the school till I would say—I'd have to go and look up the dates—about the mid sixties. 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And parts of Jamaica were, especially to the south of us and to the south of Jamaica Avenue, you got into parts of Jamaica that were real bombed out ghetto areas and probably legitimately quite dangerous as you got towards the southern part of Jamaica. So I think most of the busing in our area anyway, which started to take place when I was in junior high school, was with folks from Hollis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1302.0,1399.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, I haven't looked any of that up, and I'm fuzzy about it. But certainly at that point, by midway through junior high school, we were probably like 60-40 white-black. And so that was a big change in the area. It only affected Parkway explicitly in so far as a lot of kids from Parkway went to the local schools. And again, I think in a broad sweep, I would say folks in Parkway were welcoming for that, and folks outside of Parkway would be much less welcoming.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1399.0,1463.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe to go back in time again, I'm curious, who were your friends growing up? 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And at least in the very beginning, a lot of your close friends tended to be people in the same court because you went out your back door and they were there, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1524.0,1564.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e And obviously I also had a number of close friends from nursery school, pretty much all of whom lived in Parkway. I don't think a lot of people came to the nursery school from outside of Parkway. Maybe they did, I don't recall it, but it was quite small. I had close friends—I had a close friend who was Israeli. I had a close friend who was Polish. I had a close friend who was Brazilian. 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But one is sort of specifically aimed at kids who grew up in—not people living there now—but kids who grew up there. I don't know what the etiquette of it is, you know, supposed to be for residents, but probably if you like I could post the admins and see if they'd be happy to add you and see what kind of recollections people could—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1614.0,1655.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that would be a lot of fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1655.0,1658.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. It's called Parkway Village Gang. I'll do a post in there. The, you know, and certainly by my teenage years, a lot of the roving bands of kids were also associated with, you know [laughs], using recreational drugs. You know, plenty of us did that. There were basements in there. Some—so some of the buildings had basements that had laundry rooms or other facilities in them, but most of the buildings had basements that were locked. 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I don't know how much that illustrates the narrative, but, you know, in my teen years there were sure a lot of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1714.0,1730.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And just like randomly something that I found quite interesting is the UN Boy Scouts troop, because it was like the first international Boy Scouts troop. Were you a member by any chance?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1730.0,1749.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I wasn't involved in that. In fact, by the time I got old enough for, interestingly enough, by the time I got old enough for scouts, I was interested in the Cub Scouts, and there wasn't—well, I was only old enough for the Cub Scouts. The local Cub Scout pack, it turned out the guy who led the pack or the den, whatever the hell it was, was a, one of the local leaders in the anti-school-busing movement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1749.0,1784.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1784.0,1786.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e And my folks said to me, well, you know, we're not gonna tell you what to do. 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There were— So maybe that predated me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1811.0,1814.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e That, yeah, the stuff that I've read is from the 1950s, but, yeah, might have disbanded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1814.0,1819.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e So, you know, again, I was born in '54, so by the time—I don't remember how old Cub Scouts are, something like eight or, eight or nine, something like that. So by that time, if there was something like that, I wasn't aware of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1819.0,1840.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Gotcha. 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I had no idea that it—I had no idea that that was [unclear]—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1856.0,1860.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And when did— —[unclear]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1860.0,1862.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e —[unclear]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1862.0,1862.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e —[unclear] And so when did you realize that it was not like the normal—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1862.0,1868.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, I mean, I dunno at what age you start, like, watching TV for other than purely [laughter] entertainment, right? And plus from first grade on, it was in the local public school, you know, where you were with lots of kids who weren't from Parkway Village. I mean, it still didn't, I think it still didn't sink in for quite a while. 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But then, you know, you start going to camp and all that kind of stuff, and it becomes very apparent very quickly that it was different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=1924.0,1949.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Also, you know, there were, although Queens at the time—and parts of Queens were not far from, certainly within walking distance from Parkway Village—had different races and ethnicities, they tended to be concentrated in neighborhoods. So, you know, a little bit to the south of Parkway Village on the Parsons Boulevard side, the neighborhood became heavily Greek, for instance. 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Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2003.0,2004.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Marge Hendler. She was the editor of the Parkway Villager?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2004.0,2008.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e That sounds correct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2008.0,2010.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e That sounds correct. Do you know—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2010.0,2011.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean, during that time I probably didn't pay any attention.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2011.0,2015.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Gotcha. So do you know when she would've, and for how long she—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2015.0,2019.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't know. Actually, until Marina mentioned it in that email, I didn't remember it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2019.0,2023.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, gotcha [laughs]. Gotcha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2023.0,2026.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e I can—so I'm trying to think of other people you could talk to. There are people a couple years older than me who are probably very good sources. Now there's one actually, have you—'cause she is several years older, there's a woman named Shikha Dalal. Have you— No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2026.0,2066.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2066.0,2066.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e No. —had any contact with her?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2066.0,2068.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e No. What—can you tell me how to spell her name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2068.0,2071.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Shikha. Yeah. Hold on. And I can ping her. So it's S-H-I-K-H-A, Dalal, D-A-L-A-L. She's still in Parkway. And she was a UNIS kid throughout and, you know, probably has several years earlier information than I have. I would be happy to send her a note.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2071.0,2111.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e I would love that. That'd be amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2111.0,2113.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e And see if—yeah, let, hold on. Let me write down a couple of action items. Okay, action, [unclear]. Let's, okay, so we're gonna see if PV Gang Facebook [unclear] and then reach out to Shikha. And she—I'm pretty sure her folks were UN. Reach out to Shikha. 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Oh, okay. 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Marina was telling me that this was a thing that was quite common for American families. And so were there other, like, do you remember if there were other families that chose, like, other American families that chose to be in Parkway Village? 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You know what I mean by that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2331.0,2368.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2368.0,2369.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e And—no, I think Parkway was very attractive to people whose ideologies were other than that. You know, I mean, some people, I guess a reasonable number of people came there because it was a very nice kind of garden apartment community. You know, and I can think of a couple of, I mean, I know one guy who's—I still have, I still keep in touch with vaguely—who's pretty right wing and his parents were pretty right wing and they somehow ended up in Parkway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2369.0,2415.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e That is really interesting. Was that uncommon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2415.0,2418.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but I dunno what year he [unclear]. I can't remember what year he came. 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You know, he's not, I would've said—and, you know, I re-got back in touch with him through this Parkway Village thing and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2451.0,2462.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that's nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2462.0,2464.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, he—no, I'm not gonna say on race. 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You know, my mom and Minnie Wilkins were probably, later in Minnie's life, they were the closest friend each other had [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2542.0,2562.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2562.0,2563.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Especially after Roy's health was bad. 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He got arrested with Medgar Evers picketing outside of the Jackson Woolworth's in '63.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2671.0,2710.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2710.0,2712.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e And that, so that's when that concert [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2712.0,2715.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And just, like, you just checked that online, right? 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That's, yeah, it's very useful to have that just right there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2722.0,2729.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you think it's changed doctoral research?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2729.0,2734.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, oh my gosh. Yeah. I was just, like, as you were doing that, I was just thinking like, wow, this is so interesting, like, an oral history interview where like the interviewee is looking stuff up. 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Yeah, and so you haven't actually, I haven't, I don't know anything about your dad. I know a little bit about your mom because she edited the Parkway Villager. What's your—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2756.0,2770.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e My dad was—he was raised in Manhattan and Brooklyn to not well off parents. He went from CCNY [City College of New York] to NYU [New York University] Law and got his law degree there. Along with every other human, he got drafted, the early days of World War II into the Army Air Corps. 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Some [unclear], again, they were mostly demonstrations with respect to school integration. There was a famous incident in Brooklyn called Ocean Hill-Brownsville, the Ocean Hill-Brownsville school district in Brooklyn. If you look that up, you'll see that was a—hold on, [unclear]. But as I say, he was also on the board of the NY Civil Liberties Union.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2919.0,2986.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's see, Ocean Hill. Yeah, the Ocean Hill-Brownsville teachers' strike of 1968. Yeah, there was an earlier one cuz that would've been late for the sit-ins I'm talking about. Brief history of the conflict of Ocean Hill-Brownsville. Maybe it was different. Anyway, we were always going to political demonstrations and that kind stuff, even when I was a little kid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=2986.0,3037.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e And, sorry, what's your dad's name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3037.0,3040.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Samuel Hendler.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3040.0,3042.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Samuel Hendler. And do you know specifically what he was doing when he was Army Intelligence in terms of helping integration or—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3042.0,3054.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they, okay, I only know anecdotally. Yeah, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3054.0,3057.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3057.0,3057.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, of course. So this was late in the war and I guess he was sent down to army bases where they thought that there were racial problems to kind of act as an undercover source of information. Although he did tell me that they, that pretty much from the minute he got there, everybody figured out who he was and what he was doing [laughter]. So how effective his efforts were there, I dunno.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3057.0,3089.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Gotcha. And, yeah, I've already taken up a lot of your time, so I don't wanna take too much longer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3089.0,3102.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e No, that's okay. I'm [unclear] in the middle [unclear] I'm putting something in the oven, so just—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3102.0,3107.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, gotcha. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3107.0,3108.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e —bear with me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3108.0,3110.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e No worries. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3110.0,3111.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e My wife will be annoyed if—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3111.0,3113.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e [laughs] I don't want that to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3113.0,3115.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I just, I've recently retired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3115.0,3120.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, congratulations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3120.0,3122.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Trying to figure out what [unclear].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3122.0,3123.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. What did you end up doing for a career?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3123.0,3128.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e I was in the broadcast equipment technology business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3128.0,3135.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3135.0,3137.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e So when I—I've probably been to every television station in Canada.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3137.0,3142.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eDexter Fergie:\u003c/strong\u003e Really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3142.0,3144.0"},{"id":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017/transcript/81358/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBill Hendler:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Probably every television station in the U.S. too, but I [unclear] not, I never got up—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://queenslibrary.aviaryplatform.com/collections/21/collection_resources/150731/file/278017#t=3144.0,3145.65"}]}]}]}